Quote Originally Posted by griffey24
QQ hand - you need to shove this river and not check call. His range for calling a river shove is waaay wider than his range for shoving this river with worse.

TT hand - as far as I'm concerned, if anyone ever ends up to the river with half or less than half pot shove, some sizing situation went very wrong. You need to plan your sizing better from the flop!
Yea I am looking them over and your right. The QQ is a judgment call that I need to make on the fly that I missed completely. 88+maybe even 66 and AK are all calling most times but may not bet. Mostly air and better hands would bet.
For TT, the math escaped me. We discussed this before but with some of the new things I am watching I missed this. I am going over it and I ain't sure how to go about it, the overlay money makes the pot sizes very odd. I either end up over shoving the turn or under betting two streets. given the drawyness of the board I say overbet shove the turn.