The Girl Who Will Turn 1,000 Play Money into 1,000,000 Play Money into $1,000

I'd appreciate people's thoughts on Rosa's recent hand:

PokerStars Game #53751598710: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2010/12/05 0:30:34 ET
Table 'Salome' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: grissonlv ($4.04 in chips)
Seat 2: ofheart&city ($2 in chips)
Seat 4: whiteybfd ($7.04 in chips)
Seat 5: Baluubear ($1.67 in chips)
Seat 6: 7SainT7 ($3 in chips)
grissonlv: posts small blind $0.01
ofheart&city: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ofheart&city [Kh Qd]
whiteybfd: folds
Baluubear: folds
7SainT7: raises $0.04 to $0.06
grissonlv: raises $0.04 to $0.10
ofheart&city: raises $0.10 to $0.20
7SainT7: folds
grissonlv: calls $0.10
*** FLOP *** [7c 3s 9s]
grissonlv: checks
ofheart&city: checks
*** TURN *** [7c 3s 9s] [Kc]
grissonlv: bets $0.02
ofheart&city: raises $0.06 to $0.08
grissonlv: calls $0.06
*** RIVER *** [7c 3s 9s Kc] [7s]
grissonlv: bets $1
ofheart&city: folds
Uncalled bet ($1) returned to grissonlv
grissonlv collected $0.59 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.62 | Rake $0.03
Board [7c 3s 9s Kc 7s]
Seat 1: grissonlv (small blind) collected ($0.59)
Seat 2: ofheart&city (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 4: whiteybfd folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Baluubear folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: 7SainT7 (button) folded before Flop

Would you have folded or called on the river?

text format hurts my eyes but probably fold pre and make it larger on the turn and fold river

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($4.04)
Hero (BB) ($2)
UTG ($7.04)
MP ($1.67)
Button ($3)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, Q
2 folds, Button bets $0.06, SB raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.20, 1 fold, SB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.46) 7, 3, 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.46) K (2 players)
SB bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, SB calls $0.06

River: ($0.62) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero folds

Total pot: $0.62 | Rake: $0.03

why are we 4betting small pre , then checking behind on the flop. bet nearer pot on the turn. When he's done nthing and been ultra passsive and suddenly comes alive on the river overbetting the pot,it can only be a fold when flushes have got there , 7x has got there, some boats as well.

A brief update.

I played on Saturday morning (353 hands) and lost some killer hands (KK all-in vs. AT and 44). I ended up becoming very tilted and doing quite a bit of chasing. I hadn't realized that my stack was auto-rebuying, so I was losing far more than I was aware of. When I finally stopped chasing and logged out, I was down approximately $7.80ish. For a $40 bankroll, it's pretty significant.

I played a quick session yesterday (75 hands) and finished up about $0.60.

This evening, I played another short session (123 hands) and I'm up $2.09. That's one buy-in over 123 hands.... pretty decent win rate.

Now that I've experienced a horrible tilt (and chasing), I'm hoping I can neutralize my feelings and stay on track. I also find that my first 100-200 hands I play better, so I think I'm going to keep my sessions short until I can build up the concentration and effort to play solid through hundreds and hundreds of hands.

My FPP/VPP is about 48 and I'm now comfortably playing 3-4 tables at a time.

One more important note:
When I began playing on Friday night, I was seeing 65% of the hands. Andrew told me to tighten up, so on Saturday, I was seeing 50%. He told me I needed to get closer to 20-30% for 6-ring, so I tightened up even more. By tonight, my percentage was down to 17% and I had the most successful session of my short-lived career thus far.

Stay posted!

Originally Posted by ofheartandcity

Andrew told me to tighten up, so on Saturday, I was seeing 50%. He told me I needed to get closer to 20-30% for 6-ring, so I tightened up even more. By tonight, my percentage was down to 17% and I had the most successful session of my short-lived career thus far.

Stay posted!

That's ridiculous, at 6-ring you can play all sorts of hands. andrew is a nit

I loled, but good stuff. Well on your way to beating 2NL IMO

^^^^
Hard to argue with 3bb/100 over a billion hands.

PokerStars Game #53909805673: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2010/12/07 22:39:41 ET
Table 'Mimas IX' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: $inanju ($2.16 in chips)
Seat 2: CrazyMind A ($8.32 in chips)
Seat 3: ofheart&city ($2.10 in chips)
Seat 4: qnpqnp ($2.50 in chips)
Seat 5: jharalamp ($5.72 in chips)
qnpqnp: posts small blind $0.01
jharalamp: posts big blind $0.02
Emorgie: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ofheart&city [Jd 2d]
$inanju: folds
CrazyMind A: calls $0.02
ofheart&city: raises $0.06 to $0.08
qnpqnp: calls $0.07
jharalamp: folds
CrazyMind A: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jh 2s 5h]
qnpqnp: checks
ofheart&city: bets $0.12
qnpqnp: calls $0.12
*** TURN *** [Jh 2s 5h] [8s]
qnpqnp: checks
ofheart&city: bets $0.32
qnpqnp: calls $0.32
*** RIVER *** [Jh 2s 5h 8s] [Kh]
qnpqnp: bets $0.50
ofheart&city: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.50) returned to qnpqnp
qnpqnp collected $1.03 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.08 | Rake $0.05
Board [Jh 2s 5h 8s Kh]
Seat 1: $inanju folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: CrazyMind A folded before Flop
Seat 3: ofheart&city (button) folded on the River
Seat 4: qnpqnp (small blind) collected ($1.03)
Seat 5: jharalamp (big blind) folded before Flop


Me: "Why did you call with J2?"
Her: "Because sometimes you just have to trust your gut... and then watch it fuck you in the ass."

another girl besides me??? props. good luck!

Originally Posted by FMLwin422

another girl besides me??? props. good luck!

Thanks!

Mini Update

Over 3000 hands played. Mostly breaking even. A few really nice sessions. Currently down several buy-ins. Hoping to hold steady breaking even until the end of the month to redeem my VIP Stellar Reward for $10.

Andrew is providing lots of advice and guidance. I've come miles in the few weeks since I started 2 NL. Hoping to continue getting better and I promise to post some hands in the future.

Originally Posted by ofheartandcity

Andrew is providing lots of advice and guidance. I've come miles in the few weeks since I started 2 NL.

C'mon Andrew, show this girl how to beat 2NL.

Originally Posted by PlayToWin

C'mon Andrew, show this girl how to beat 2NL.

LOLOLOLOLOL

yay 3 girls on FTR, we're so awesome!

you go girls!

It's been a rough couple of weeks. I've lost some brutal hands recently and I've been a bit tilted. Then my already small bankroll became smaller and I started playing with scared money.

Andrew's helped me develop my pre-flop play. It's pretty standardized now. I really need to work on my play when I'm out of position (UTG) and especially on my post-flop play. I need to give consideration to what I'm representing to my opponents after my pre-flop play.

Level 1 Poker: Understanding what you have.
Level 2 Poker: Understanding what they have (card-reading).
Level 3 Poker: Understanding what they think you have (representing).
Level 4 Poker: Understanding what they think you think they have.

I'm still on Level 2 right now. Andrew pointed out this to me: If you raised pre-flop to represent a strong hand and then the flop comes and let's say your AK doesn't hit and the flop is Q 7 2, you need to continue your representation, especially if in position. If your opponent(s) are just checking, then it's your opportunity to bet again to make it look like you a) have high pockets or b) you caught something on the flop. If you just check on the fold, you're giving them the information that you didn't catch anything and your hand is now useless.

It makes a lot of sense, but I hadn't thought of it previously and thus had not applied it previously.

Andrew and I are playing a lot over Christmas break (while I'm off work and he's desperately trying to get his VPPs in). If/when I have interesting hands, I'll let you know. There've been a lot of coolers, sets over sets, pairs over pairs and -- my favourite loss -- the royal straight that I flopped was called all-in by the guy to my right, so I called, he showed two pair (Ks and Qs), the turn is a blank and the river is a K.

FML.

So today I developed a bit of an MTT addiction. I'm not sure how it started. I played one in the morning for $0.10 buy-in and lost my AJ hand to pocket 8s. I joined another at 7:00 pm for $0.55 buy-in and when I busted out, I decided to play one final tourney today to satisfy my fix.

I'm currently playing the $1.10+$ tournament and I had to post this killer hand.

So far, I'm 42nd out of 478 remaining players and the top 114 pay-out. We'll see how I do!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 100/200 Blinds (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t8604)
UTG (t12736)
MP (t7249)
Hero (CO) (t17580)
Button (t6045)
SB (t1832)

Hero's M: 58.60

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, A
1 fold, MP calls t200, Hero bets t600, 1 fold, SB calls t500, 1 fold, MP calls t400

Flop: (t2000) 4, 10, 4 (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets t800, 1 fold, MP raises to t2000, Hero raises to t3400, MP raises to t4800, Hero raises to t6200, MP raises to t6649 (All-In), Hero calls t449

Turn: (t15298) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t15298) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t15298

Villain shows

...and I finished 132nd out of 1136 entrants. Sigh. Less than 20 spots away from making some monies.

aww ul, keep grinding them away and you'll be ft'ing in no time

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

aww ul, keep grinding them away and you'll be ft'ing in no time

I saw you did fairly well, too! Congrats! It sucks not making it to the final 114, though.

Hand from my session today to be criticized/discussed:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($2)
UTG ($1.88)
MP ($1.93)
Button ($1.34)
SB ($0.86)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, 9
UTG calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, Button calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.10) 9, J, 4 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.02, UTG raises to $1.64, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.62

Turn: ($3.38) A (2 players)
Hero bets $0.16, UTG raises to $0.22 (All-In), Hero ?

I feel like, at this point, I've slowplayed him hardcore and I'm married to my hand, so I need to call and see what happens.

Hero calls $0.06

River: ($3.82) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $3.82 | Rake: $0.18

Results below:
Hero had 4, 9 (two pair, nines and fours).
UTG had 7, 9 (two pair, nines and sevens).
Outcome: UTG won $3.64

It's so hard not to be results-oriented.

My thoughts on that hand are:

1) Tough to watch that 7 fall for sure.

2) If you're willing to call that 1.62, might as well ship the rest with it as well. If you're going to get it in here, just get it in on the flop.

3) Probably don't call the 1.62 (I know you were ahead at that point, but a set or big flush draw is definitely possible on his part, so you could've been wayyyyy behind.)

4) Confused why on the turn, if you're committed and he only has .22 left, why not just check/call or (more my preference), put him in for his last .22 instead of your .16 bet. He's never gonna fold for .16 into a 3.38 pot. If he has AA, AJ, A9, A4, J9, J4, or any 2 clubs, you're really stuck here, and if he doesn't have those hands (or a flopped set), you're well ahead. Without a read its hard to know, but I'm definitely putting him all-in or folding on this turn, nothing in the middle.

5) I'd love to sit with your villain for awhile. The whole hand is odd, but the weirdest part is that he limped UTG with 97o..........tag him for later, PLEASE. You'll get that pot back and then some if you do.

Thanks for keeping this OP up, and GL as you move through 2NL (you and I are at the same level right now, gotta cheer for other micro-grinders!!)

Without notes on the villain, I can't tell you whether this is a good call or not. The problem is that I'm positive if you called every shove for 16.5x the pot with 2 pair, on a long enough time line it will be a loser for sure.

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

Without notes on the villain, I can't tell you whether this is a good call or not. The problem is that I'm positive if you called every shove for 16.5x the pot with 2 pair, on a long enough time line it will be a loser for sure.

wat. At 2NL you're gunna see draws and top pairz all sorts of the time

Originally Posted by d0zer

wat. At 2NL you're gunna see draws and top pairz all sorts of the time

I have no idea where you guys play. Because I'm 7k hands deep at 2nl right now in the last 21 days, and I haven't seen a single openshove on the flop that was a draw. Hell I think I've seen like 5 total open shoves, and only 2 of those got called, and the open shover was a nut hand. The caller was a draw or retarded.

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

I have no idea where you guys play. Because I'm 7k hands deep at 2nl right now in the last 21 days, and I haven't seen a single openshove on the flop that was a draw. Hell I think I've seen like 5 total open shoves, and only 2 of those got called, and the open shover was a nut hand. The caller was a draw or retarded.

my bad, I didn't realize I was talking to someone with a 7k hand sample at 2NL.

Originally Posted by d0zer

my bad, I didn't realize I was talking to someone with a 7k hand sample at 2NL.

LOLZ

Originally Posted by d0zer

my bad, I didn't realize I was talking to someone with a 7k hand sample at 2NL.

Made me chuckle out loud!

Then I see this and I'm bustin a nut here!

Originally Posted by redmanstl

Yeah, I mean the players at 2NL aren't total goat-turd-licking retards, that's for sure, some of them are actually thinking before they shove or call a shove.

But on the whole, they'll always exhibit their weakness as a group, and that weakness is that they'll call too much when they should fold - - - I respect them insofar as they're my current opponents, but even I know that they're just not that good.

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

I have no idea where you guys play. Because I'm 7k hands deep at 2nl right now in the last 21 days, and I haven't seen a single openshove on the flop that was a draw. Hell I think I've seen like 5 total open shoves, and only 2 of those got called, and the open shover was a nut hand. The caller was a draw or retarded.

Yeah, I mean the players at 2NL aren't total goat-turd-licking retards, that's for sure, some of them are actually thinking before they shove or call a shove.

But on the whole, they'll always exhibit their weakness as a group, and that weakness is that they'll call too much when they should fold - - - I respect them insofar as they're my current opponents, but even I know that they're just not that good.

Gogogogogo

UPDATE

This year has been incredibly profitable for me. I'm learning lots of important lessons ("Don't raise out of position!") and tightening up my range.

To give you some stats:

Number of sessions: 13
Number of hands: 3648
Hours played: 11.04
Profit: $33.99
46 bb/100

15.3/7.4/1.6 are my stats so far.

Multitabling comfortably with 9-10 per session

The most important change in my stats? I now play solely full-ring tables. NO MORE 6-MAX.

/brag

Originally Posted by ofheartandcity

This year has been incredibly profitable for me. I'm learning lots of important lessons ("Don't raise out of position!") and tightening up my range.


Profit: $33.99

nh ma'am. Time for a prop bet with drew on who makes it to 25-50 first?

Originally Posted by daven

nh ma'am. Time for a prop bet with drew on who makes it to 25-50 first?

You would have to give me odds because I've been playing 200nl FR for 4 years.

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

You would have to give me odds because I've been playing 200nl FR for 4 years.

You would have to reduce your odds because you've been playing 200nl FR for 4 years.

Also, you have a tendency of losing prop bets.

Originally Posted by ofheartandcity

Also, you have a tendency of losing prop bets.

lol gf pwnt

Originally Posted by ofheartandcity

UPDATE

This year has been incredibly profitable for me. I'm learning lots of important lessons ("Don't raise out of position!") and tightening up my range.

To give you some stats:

Number of sessions: 13
Number of hands: 3648
Hours played: 11.04
Profit: $33.99
46 bb/100

15.3/7.4/1.6 are my stats so far.

Multitabling comfortably with 9-10 per session

The most important change in my stats? I now play solely full-ring tables. NO MORE 6-MAX.

/brag

Right on haven't been in for awhile. Good job keep it going!

94 hand just get it in on the flop ffs. as for

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragnar4
Without notes on the villain, I can't tell you whether this is a good call or not. The problem is that I'm positive if you called every shove for 16.5x the pot with 2 pair, on a long enough time line it will be a loser for sure.


i have to agree with d0zer = wtf?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP3 ($3.41)
CO ($1.41)
Button ($4.62)
Hero (SB) ($1.91)
BB ($0.96)
UTG ($1.16)
UTG+1 ($0.91)
MP1 ($1.62)
MP2 ($0.93)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, 7
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.02, 1 fold, CO calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.12, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.30) 2, 3, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.22, MP2 calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.74) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.52, MP2 calls $0.52

River: ($1.78) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

Total pot: $1.78 | Rake: $0.08

MP2 mucked [9h Qc]

Andrew and Rosa discussing the hand immediately following:

Rosa: "What the fuck? Does she know anything about the term "odds"? It's called four outs, bitch."
Andrew: (LOLing on couch)

Originally Posted by ofheartandcity

Rosa: "What the fuck? Does she know anything about the term "odds"? It's called four outs, bitch."
Andrew: (LOLing at 4 = 7 on couch)

fyp

Originally Posted by daven

fyp

10 outs, actually. Any 9, any J, any Q.

Also, the previous 'bankitdrew' post was clearly from me except that Andrew never signs out of FTR ever and I forgot to log him out and log myself in when I posted last night.

Originally Posted by ofheartandcity

Also, the previous 'bankitdrew' post was clearly from me except that Andrew never signs out of FTR ever and I forgot to log him out and log myself in when I posted last night.

so when's the marriage / pregnancy?

Originally Posted by ofheartandcity

10 outs, actually. Any 9, any J, any Q.

Also, the previous 'bankitdrew' post was clearly from me except that Andrew never signs out of FTR ever and I forgot to log him out and log myself in when I posted last night.

9 gives you a straaaaaaight

Just poppin' in with some stats. I'll get around to posting hands sometime. I've been playing TONS of sessions. And I mean -tons- considering that poker is a 'hobby' of mine that I do outside of 40-hour work weeks (+ commutes) and my evening recreational activities/hobbies/classes/etc.

So far this month, I've put in over 40 hours, however, I only have stats for 36 of those hours since the other 4 were on my laptop and the hand histories were not saved/analyzed/etc.

Here are current stats:

Number of sessions: 43
Number of hands: 14634
Hours played: 36.04
Profit: $61.51
12.5 bb/100

18.7/9.5/3.0

Still multitabling comfortably with 9-10 per session

A number of sessions with -$2 or -$4, but I'm trying not to get tilted. I've set a stop-loss of two buy-ins, so that's when I know my losses will start affecting my game play. I have the lofty goal of trying to hit $100 by the end of this month, but I'm not convinced it's going to happen.

Also, I got loads more aggressive in the last few weeks. XD

lol accountaments.

does she post on yer facebook also drew?

oh no it doesn't, the 6 hit on the river. hurr durr

guess i can't count either

My bankroll is comfortably in the high $150s now which means I'm beginning to contemplate moving to 5 NL. I have learned a lot (especially in regards to aggression and position) and I've set a very comfortable betting pattern and range analysis. I'm looking at other people's stats quite frequently and thinking about their betting, raising and three-betting stats. It makes it easier to identify fish.

I won two tournaments recently (both with four players) and I'm feeling more confident about my tournament skills. Sometimes I have difficulty adapting my cash game play into tournament play, but I try to do the same hand analysis on both mine and my opponents' hands.

I'm going to make it a priority to post more hands in the upcoming months. I'm really excited to try 5 NL in April if my bankroll allows for it. I'm a little intimidated by the jump in pots and bets (and skill?), but I'm excited to collect WAY more VPP than I do at the moment. It takes forever to get my $10 bonus!

Some stats for 2011:

Number of sessions: 135
Number of hands: 49,761
Hours played: 107.28
Profit: $92.75 (not incl. tourney wins)
9.3 bb/100

18.3/7.7/3.2

Multitabling comfortably with 10-12 per session

Until next time, friends!

You need to reduce the gap between ur vpip and pfr%.

Ideally the ratio should be at around 80%.

Either stop limping/calling so much pre. do this by either just folding, or raising instead.

if your vpip is 18, your pfr should be around 16. But something like 12/10, would probably be good as you seem to be fairly tight as far a raising goes - you're at 7% now.

Originally Posted by ofheartandcity

My bankroll is comfortably in the high $150s now which means I'm beginning to contemplate moving to 5 NL.

Good job. I guess it's been a long time since I stopped in. I admire your patients and bankroll management skillz!

I'm a little intimidated by the jump in pots and bets (and skill?), but I'm excited to collect WAY more VPP than I do at the moment. It takes forever to get my $10 bonus!

Remember they are not dollar amounts but only big blinds!

Multitabling comfortably with 10-12 per session

Don't do this when you make your move up. Start off EXACTLY like you did at 2nl which I am assuming was playing a single table until you were comfortable, then you added a table. Rinse and repeat. Well do exactly that once you move up and boom success just like before!


.

Thank you for the advice about reducing my gap between those two stats. I started deciding, "Either I like this hand enough to raise it or I'm going to fold it. Stop limping in and calling with half-ass hands." It made a big difference to my game and I've had numerous profitable sessions.

I now have $195 in my bankroll and my eyes are set on starting 5 NL in the near future. Any tips on the biggest adjustments I'll have to make to my game? I generally anticipate people to play tighter and more aggressively at 5 NL, but other than that... I'm not sure. Less bluffing? More c-betting?

Do nothing, buy in at $5. It's the same game

Originally Posted by jyms

Do nothing, buy in at $5. It's the same game

this
if you make changes you'll run into problems

Like jyms wrote, it's the same game. Don't change a thing and you should be at 10nl in no time.

gogogogo

also be prepared that your brain is going to tell you that 5NL plays totally different and that you do need to make changes after all. it's tricksing you.