kickass...i want to be a winner.

if i were given the task of trying to teach someone to know how to cbet, my first goal would be for them to build an intuitive sense of fold equity. that means going over 100's of flop cbet spots, estimating your opponents total range and what range he will call the CB with, and then figuring out what % of it will fold to your CB. however i'm sure there are a million other ways to go about it, and everybody likes to learn differently etc etc

also, i can vouch for the weasel's 3 book recommendations. they are probably the 3 best poker books i have read.

I think you could do with taking a look at 8-fold path to poker enlightenment video series and then actually apply it to your life and poker. It can help with the rage/tilt/results issues. Otherwise man, the fact that you work hard, put effort and detail into poker is fantastic, just keep persevering and improving.

^ yeah do that as well. you can get it for free via a 7-day trial at deuces cracked if you haven't already exhausted your trial.

well fucking shit this study thing is hard. I did the first 3 in this thread http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...et-184775.html gonna do some more later Ive got family shiz to take care of. If anybody cares to read what I put I'd be interested to here what folks think.
I will also check the vids you suggested Angryafrican sounds like something that'll do me good, cos no I havent used up any free trial at deuces cracked, thanks for that RPM and Angryafrican of course.

I had plans to do more towards this today. Drink unfortunatly got in the way. Other news on the study front: I signed up to dueces cracked watched the tommy angelo vids, very ntresting, we shall see if I actually go through with doing anything about it, my plan is to do so. and I bought Blackrains e book on crushing the micros, alot of what he says Ive kinda learned already this past year but it was good to read and definatly worth its money just knowing the advice is tailored towards someone in my shoes, given by someone that has crushed the stake over and over. its nice to know your doing close to the right thing when the results arent going your way.
good luck to all grinding vs the friday night fishes.

blackrain has written a book about beating microstakes online poker?

Originally Posted by rpm

blackrain has written a book about beating microstakes online poker?

he has

'bout halfway thru it, and it's mighty stuff.

check it out, sez I

On the "is the BC dead?" thang - the problem for me over the last x weeks is the torrent of spam; it makes it v difficult to see if there're any genuine new posts, an' so i'm kinda de-incentivized to read or post right now.

EDIT: 11:25 GMT - 12 of 13 latest BC posts are spam. The other 1 is someone replying to some spam.

yeah click on the link at the bottom of his posts takes you to his book. micro stakes pro

how you doing on c-bets?
post your thoughts on these: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2070059

some thoughts:
1 - run a filter over the last month with pfr=true, saw flop=true and go into the replayer. Think about the decision to cbet or not, a bunch. Decide what you like best re cbet or no and sizing. Compare with what you did. Post a few hands.
2 - 10nl. say you flop air on K73rb (you opened mp with AJ or something and bb nit-fish 11-8 called). Pot is 80c, you know villain has 55 cos you are superusing. How often does your c-bet have to generate a fold to be immediately profitable if you bet 80c, 60c, 50c, 45c, 40c, 35c?
3 - read para's delayed c-betting post at time 02-09-2009, 08:17 PM http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ho-167084.html
4 - read the tiny c-bet section IIc - frequent c-betting mistakes here http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...t-ever-791734/
5 - cotw on cbetting Concept of the week #9: Continuation betting - Micro Stakes Full Ring Games - Micro Stakes Poker Strategy Forum

thanks fo all this daven, I will get on it right away. I havent been doing anything on the c betting front. i have been studying a little been (reading poker mindset) but mostly christmas and work have taken over my life.

well here some friday night truths, drinking and the world wide web
Im doing fine bankroll wise at about 350, which is the most Ive had on stars. but... I feel to scared to play, its fucking pathetic I know. Ive been reading alot of material icluding veneers guide to cruhsing the micros blackrains guide, pokermindset and watching those tommy angelo videos all of which were meant to make me a better poker player but instead I feel tilted before I even start. with all the studying showing me just how much I dont understand about this game, I feel completely lost lacking any confidence and scared to over adjust as my edge is such a small one anyhow, move too much in any direction and it could turn into spew ville so easily. I have only played about 4000 hands this week and not a session over 500 hands. anyone gotz any real advice for beating this fear, am I alone here or have other folks been through this

whenever my confidence is crushed, I just go back to the basics, drop stakes and play tight, ABC poker crushing fish until I feel better about my game.

i've felt like that before. but normally it's through guilt regarding NOT studying enough and just spending hour after hour degenning away at the tables. i think dozer has hit the nail on the head though. move down for a few sessions, kick the shit out of some weaker players, realise why your strategy vs them is winning, move back up.

drop stakes, pad your roll a bit more if the money is making you nervous. nuttin wrong with playing overrolled. and you work on some of these new concepts with less risk lower down.

watch some videos, study also helps to get yourself into a winning mindset.

Thanks guys, I played some 5nl again, Im gonna stick around here a little longer I think; I dont want 10nl to be a big deal so a bigger bankroll should help. moving up isnt the only thing I should care about so I'm putting it out the way for a bit.

MMMMM things is not going well... been on the books a bit and watching some vids (poker bank) free shit. nearly through no limit holdem theory and practice for the second time unbeleivable how much of it I didnt remember, I didnt realise Id read it before till about half way through. So I should be top notch winning player now apart from I simply am to sticky with medium strength hands....please for gods sake find the fucking fold button.
I made i to 400 dollars playing 5 nl then very quickly spewed off 60 at 10 to move down and get coolered for another 20. oh dear. that was monday and Ive not really played since which is fucking gay cos Ive got the week off and nothing to do with it.

Originally Posted by kickass

...I made i to 400 dollars playing 5 nl then very quickly spewed off 60 at 10 to move down and get coolered for another 20. oh dear. that was monday and Ive not really played since which is fucking gay cos Ive got the week off and nothing to do with it.

Was the 60 in one session? If so, take a break for an hour or so after losing 30 and then decide if you are capable of playing without tilt.
If not then don't play.

When I lose a hand, I'm usually safe with my first few phrases which are:
shit
damn
crap
sonofabitch
lucky bastard
... in no particular order.

Even if you are a little tilted after losing 30 and lose another BI after sitting down it will cause tiltimus maximus and you will be required to shout phrases such as:

1. "I Hate This Fuckin Game"

2. "Son of a FUCKIN BITCH",

3. "LUCKY FUCKIN COCKSUCKER"

in this order.

After number 1, I take a 30 min break.
After number 2, I take an hour break.
After number 3, I quit for the day.

And I'm actually serious about this.

You seem to have tilt issues so I'm sure you know what "your" phrases are and the severity of your tilt when you say them.

haha i use those phrases soooo much. especially sonofabitch and cocksucker :P.

lols I know my phrases for sure.and yeah bout 3000 hands, mostly I knew I was beat before I called and sighed telling myself to lay off the call button in future... Im not posting the hands cos I know the answers and they be shameful. why cant I lose that paranoid station fish in me. then I quit and played 5nl later that day and the lucky fuckers came out of the woodwork, I think a stop loss would be a good thing for me but when I'm at home in the day what am I gonna do but play cards. I find it so hard to get any real volume in that I have to play anytime I can. although whats the point of c game volume (my c game is prolly worse than most). Id get a bigger roll faster turning the computer off.

Originally Posted by kickass

... I think a stop loss would be a good thing for me but when I'm at home in the day what am I gonna do but play cards. I find it so hard to get any real volume in that I have to play anytime I can. although whats the point of c game volume (my c game is prolly worse than most). Id get a bigger roll faster turning the computer off.

Fold more and talk to yourself while playing.

"I'm going to raise this because..."

"My plan for this street is to..."

"I'm probably beat here so I'm going to fold because I only beat..."

"I should get my money in here because..."

"I'm not going to slowplay..."

thanks mr squach, sounds like exactly the right thing I need to be doing.

bankroll issues. I really dont want to move down again prolly 4th time, its depressing, played some 10nl today with a 2 buy in stop loss lasted about 200 hands. back to 5nl tomorrow but hell Im depressed about it. I dont know what Im doing so different at 10 that im not at 5 cos im crushing 5 for nearly 10bb/100 maybe I was just on a heater and I hit real life about the time I moved up.

dude be happy you have the BRM discipline to move down. I know moving down always sucks, but I've had to do it more times than I can count, and it's the only thing that stops me from spewing off tons of my roll. First time I moved up to 100NL, I had to drop 3 times before it stuck.

You seem to have massive issues with mental discipline in game -- it's pretty much impossible to win with those so work on those. meditate, exercise, eliminate distractions, get lots of sleep, take vitamins, jerk off, whatever just find something that works for you because if you can't deal with those, it doesn't matter how good you are.

After last night I need to take my own advice. Spew monkey.

I said "Dumb sonofabitch" three times and I wasn't talking about villian.

Idk who dis kickass guy is!

Im jkds, i got to 25nl twice...had an awesome coach once....and blame all my problems with poker on laziness and me being an idiot.

Anywho...i skimmed through this page...and honestly if u want a book that will help u out...id recommend Harrington on Online Cash Games.

The book goes through things like the ABCD theorem(by another name), ranges, cbetting, implied odds, distributions, how to use pt3, isolating limpers...basically many many things ftr and 2p2 talk about but arent found in a lot of books. I personally found books like "The theory of poker" and others as being extremely trivial just because of the information you've likely already read on ftr. But this Harrington book i actually found pretty worth it. Its certainly something you could use to beat the micros (fr or 6m)

Best of luck

well I dont know who dis JKDS guy is although hes making his self pretty known pretty fast. I will def look into getting harrington book, seems to be a favourite of alot o folkses. so thanks for the tip.

poker been slow recently taking my time on this shot at 10nl trying hard to think abouts stuff Im doing and just not playing if Im not feeling up for it. just read dynamic full ring poker. alot of what he said was just ABC but it made so much sense and I watched all his videos on pokerbank and I feel like ive improved my poker brain a little more for the experience.
something RPM sid bout ev of shoving even if your behind and always get called got me thinking I dont know enough about EV calculations and there missing out on +ev shoves semibluffs w/e so Im gonna look through FTR threads for some shit to read, no doubt spoon has something to say on the subject Ive prolly read before but its gone from my recolections. peace out motherfuckers

hey dude. these threads cover the very basics. no idea how competent you are with maths, i knew close to none of this stuff before i learnt a little about it via poker. however they may be irrelevant to you depending on what you know.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ad-180192.html

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ev-109690.html

once you've got a grip on those kind of things, i'd recommend attempting some of the exercises in spoon's game theory and poker thread. i've always been somewhat averse to the mathsy and game theoretical stuff that comes with poker study, but i've actually found it pretty interesting to do and easy to see how it's applicable to real poker situations (ie it's not just theory). if nothing else, it will give you a sharper understanding of EV and how to determine the EV of a given play. hit me up if you struggle with any of it, i'm happy to try to help as best i can.

edit: actually that second thread isn't hugely relevant to cash. read it if you want, but this one is better imo COTW: Exploitative vs Balanced Strategies - Micro Stakes Full Ring Games - Micro Stakes Poker Strategy Forum

thanks RPM fuck do i suck at maths, Ive read spoons math of ev thread a bunch now but its refusing to stick, brain pain! when I get it I will own it.
I read this 2p2 article after you posted it in your blog its great. blew my tiny mind im gonna reread it again, I hope I can learn to use this stuff.

good news/bad news. had 2 hours of bikes coaching..fucking great I feel so much better about poker today than I have in ages. surprisingly bikes is a nice guy. I was super nervous starting out but he made me feel pretty good. fuck I did alot of 3 betting. good times defo gonna gets some moar.
the bad news is the math I cant get my head round it.
good luck everyone Im gonna gets drunked it be friday

what math are you stuck on?
i.e. what part of ev calcs etc is causing the biggest problem?

Originally Posted by daven

what math are you stuck on?
i.e. what part of ev calcs etc is causing the biggest problem?

I keep reading, I feel like I understand what Im reading then all of a sudden Im lost and I realise my brain hasnt taken in any of it. I cant beleive I suck this much. Im reading through it again, with pen and paper hopefully doing some of it rather than just reading it will help it stick. prepare for some more moaning later when I cant get it.

Don't trip too hard about the math imo. I'm not saying it isn't important but if you're not understanding something it's usually best to walk away and come back later. It's usually really hard to learn something when most of your mental energy goes into wondering why you aren't learning. Poker concepts (esp when math is involved) are generally hard for me to grasp. If I'm not understanding something it usually means I'm not supposed to understand it yet. As if I'm skipping ahead in the book and not picking up other fundamentals that help pave the way to understanding more advanced concepts.

Me thinks the maths will come when you're game improves to the point where it will become hell-a-easy to comprehend. Basically have one ah-ha moment after the other. And I don't believe it will come from reading shit over and over either, more so from grinding your ass off and reviewing the shit out of questionable spots.

thanks fellaz, and thanks to daven who gave me some pointers/a full on math lesson in IRC yesterday, think ive got the important bits now. gl all.

things is going gud. after my second session with bikes im feeling pretty damn good about pokers, I am so less afraid of everybody, Im calling down less, im chk/calling a fuck ton less, bet/folding a fuck ton more finding spots to lead flops more 3 betting more, enjoying poker more and making more dollaz. brag over! just need to get in some volume and grind through this bitch... onwards and upwards.

Originally Posted by kickass

Im calling down less, im chk/calling a fuck ton less, bet/folding a fuck ton more finding spots to lead flops more 3 betting more, enjoying poker more and making more dollaz. brag over!

nice. Calling too much = probably number one leak. The coaching sessions with bikes seem like money well spent.

Some fucking cunt has pulled my phone line and Internet cable out of my fucking wall.WANK! Fuck the world. No pokers for me

took a shot at 25nl today. decided not to be such a bankroll nit and take a shot with 22 buyins only 4 table full ring played for about an hour and made half a buyin. think I was a little scared money but I didnt let it affect me. I might wait till I can get another session in with bikes before I play there again.

Originally Posted by kickass

took a shot at 25nl today. decided not to be such a bankroll nit and take a shot with 22 buyins only 4 table full ring played for about an hour and made half a buyin.

nice work

good luck bro, won't be around much more i guess - i've been banned. Why? who knows. guess those who say 'toughen up, it's the internet', can't take their own advice.

well I havent had more coaching and im moving back down to 10nl. 25s not going well

I seem to be making it profitable for 20bb stacks to set mine cos I always have aces and they always hit and I always keep betting till its in. meh what you gonna do! crack open the beers! still slightly up for the day but puke in the sink run bad.
got some coaching booked. hope Im back at 25nl for next friday, unless I run hella bad this week Ill prolly play there slightly under rolled for the session. learning>bankroll building.

not updated in a while so here it is; im playing 25nl running bad (sets not holding up and the likes) but ive still got 600 so im not moving back down just yet. money is going in good...mostly. still plenty of fish out there to be taken advantage of. peace bitches.

you;re posting good hands in the bc, post more

Originally Posted by kickass

still plenty of regs and uber-fish out there to be taken advantage of. peace bitches.

stick it!

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not sure what good stats look like. these are my 25nls

for someone with such a low 3b, you seem to be continuing vs steals a lot. this is fine if you're good enough postflop. if, however, you suck as much as me then it's not fine. also i think you could probably be 3betting more. i haven't played FR (or poker) for a while though

What's the sample size with those stats?

10000 roughly. All my play at 25

i can't tell anything from these stats alone and to anyone saying they can i would say they are misguided.

I have not been playing well this last week. now I must move back to 10nl. oh dear. this is a small set back, I dont feel that the regs at 25 are so much better that ill never beat em just that I havent played well and havent run well either. new start tomorrow.

those stats are not your leaks. talk to you in irc sometime soon - in the meantime get on weaktight and load up the first 20 hands displayed when you filter on vpip = true, pfr = false, saw flop = true, and the first 20 when pfr = true, saw flop = true. Looking at a few hands will probably prove valuable, and if you select them in this fashion you remove a bunch of bias from reviewing your play.

I didnt need to run bad today. I played alot better than ive played in ages. that is all.

Im taking tomorrow off. I have bout broke even for the month and that sucks but I have learnt so much. I must apear like a different person to anyone who had good reads on me. hopefully Ill be back at 25nl sometime next month. rock n roll bitches


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it was a hard month.

god damn, everyone is running bad...

I love poker again. my thoughts are becoming clearer. break even morning. happy.

I tried running again for the first time in over a year; fuck me its hard! I managed about 2.5 miles and wanted to puke up my lungs.

Episode 1 | St. Shawshank's Infant School
my friend published his first ep of his web comic today. its a retelling of the shawshank redemption set in an infants school. its child friendly good fun. he asked my to post the link incase anybody fancies checking it out.

ZOOOOOOOOOM!

Nice! Well done.

brag time.



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brag time.



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boom-fucking-yeah bro!! cash in for another hour or two of coaching from bikes imo. When you moving to da fiddy?

First 1k is the hardest. All down hill from here bro

Originally Posted by StarGrinder

First 1k is the hardest. All down hill from here bro

Oh, you had no problem doom switch jynxing my ass but nothing but love for kickass :P

Nice work kick.

Originally Posted by supa

Oh, you had no problem doom switch jynxing my ass but nothing but love for kickass :P

Nice work kick.

Haha, had to think for a second but I remember now. Runbadmuch? lol

First 10k is the hardest.

Grats mate.

kick ass!

second thousand is the easiest

err, easier.

thanks chaps, moar coaching before the fiddies fo sho. i think I owe much of this to the coaching ive already had, so its money well spent

I really need to get back into learning. my game is deteriorating rapidly. gotta book some moarr coachings when I get paid. I dont beleive how terrible I am somedays.
meh!!!

Keep up the good work kickass, great to see your improvement over time.

too kind sir.
back to playing few tables of standard poker (not zoom) trying to ready myself for the next step up. I really wanted to get some more coaching and purchase the full version of PT but real life money is tight this month, no bonus from work=no fucking around monies. still if I can sort stuff for next month and have my roll at 1500+ ill be happy to move up, on 1350 now. I hope bikes doesnt retire from coaching before I get a chance to purchase his services.

struggling making myself play these last 2 weeks, lots of bad play when I do, surprising im not losing money other peeps must be worse than me. got harrington online book to read gonna start with that today hopefuly it will inspire me to hit the tables. sad face. I may choose to dabble in some 6 max to help with my 3 betting reacting to 3 bets and blind play, cant afford to be lazy in these areas at 6 max, just a thought.

wont be at 50nl any time soon. sadface. over the month ive barely made 100$ at 25 only bout 10000 hands. Im gonna get my own PC next month and try and set up a bit of routine around my playing instead of monging infront of the TV with the laptop with all the distractions of my family all round me. Ive booked 10hrs with bikes so ill prolly get a session in with him soon see if he can put me back on track. considering getting HEM2 over PT when I get the new machine, dunno i'll have to look into it. Im fucking restless.

new pc is badass, PT4 seems good seems like a huge step forward. havent played much of late cos i had trouble building this machine and I didnt feel like going back to my shitty macbook, so the grind is on when I get 10/15k hands ima use up some of my hrs with brett and start thinking bout taking a shot at 50. same olde same olde.

Day 1 plenty for review



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okay now im tilting, no idea what im doing wrong but ima be broke before i get to 10000 hands