OP: Make Penneywize Not Suck At Omaha

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

Are you sure playing PLO is best until you reach like 100PLO? Pretty sure the people at the stars meetings confirmed everyone with a huge sample size at X stake and <X stake were losers so unless you. They didn't say what X was but I would guess it's either 50PLO or 25PLO.

I think you can plug that last hand into a calculator and get a pretty good idea of what the next step is.

Well I've beaten 5 PLO before, see previous graph; it's much easier to beat the rake playing 250bb deep.

Like I've said earlier, rake hovers around 5ptbb for 10 PLO, which makes it significantly harder to beat, all things considered. But, it's certainly not impossible, and many people have been able to work their way through the micros up to 100s.

I'd say the reason people with huge samples at X stakes are all losers is probably because they're not good enough to move up in stakes in the first place. The same might actually hold true for holdem, though to a lesser extent (there are guys like Blackrain who never move up and just keep making money at cheeseburger stakes).

Consider that for most of us players who improve and put in the time, we won't spend more than 30-50k hands at a given stake in the micros before moving up, and most of the time it would take far fewer than that. I think to get to 50s in NLHE it took me around 100k hands total, starting with a banroll of about 100 and playing 2s.

Anyway, it seems to hold logically that if a person sticks around in a given stake over a large sample, it's likely because they fail to improve and therefore do not move up. This isn't exactly earth-shattering news.

As for the hand, yeah I've def run it on pro poker tools but I wanted to get some opinions on how I've thought things through.

Ran across an interesting thread on 2p2 that discusses AIEV and meta, I'll just leave the link here for future reference.

variance / aiev / meta thread - Small Stakes Pot Limit Omaha - Small Stakes PL Omaha Forum

Also a nice one on finding leaks in a specific circumstance:

Plugging Leaks w/ HEM: 3b pots, CB gets raised - Small Stakes Pot Limit Omaha - Small Stakes PL Omaha Forum

Weird hand.

All opponents other than CO are running something ridiculous like 60+ / ~10 over a small sample. CO runs 30 / 15 or so.

$0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
PokerStars
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($1.31) 26bb
CO ($12.25) 245bb
Hero (BTN) ($12.64) 253bb
SB ($11.78) 236bb
BB ($4.73) 95bb

Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 5 players) Hero is BTN
UTG calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.25, SB calls $0.23, BB calls $0.20, UTG calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.25, 5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.40, 1 fold, CO raises to $1.20, $1.2 to Hero ($12.39)?

So, BB donks out for 1/3rd pot and gets raised 3x by CO here. Unusual considering that PF ranges are incredibly wide and this board is very dry.

While I don't really understand BB's bet, the raise by CO is even more strange. It seems unlikely he'd be playing 4xxx this way, and even overpairs would prefer just a call here. His range is really hard to figure, but I feel like it's mostly air - he probably feels as though he has fold equity enough to pull this off, given the small bet by our passive friend in the BB and only one player who's not acted yet behind on this street (me).

I end up snapping off here. Good / bad?