Operation: The Action Game

Background:

This is my first operation thread. I haven't been getting through enough hands and staying motivated, so I'm hoping this thread will help. This will be a hybrid blog / hand discussion / strategy discussion.

Vitals:

The game is OMAHA HIGH and HI-LO. I'm hoping that with all the Texas Holdem threads, people might be interested in the 4 card game.

Bankroll is not an issue - I have over 300x buy ins for any stakes that I could consider playing. Most of it sits in my bank account doing something useful, but since it's money I've made playing poker I still consider it part of my "bankroll". My online funds are more than adequate to cover any short term variance

The story thus far:

I was away for 2 weeks during March, and had to catch up on university work after I returned. So I only played 8,400 hands during March...

Poker tracker tells me I'm -$890 in 400PLO, and -$480 in 100PLO, and +$770 in 200PLO, and winning at every level at HILO during March - my net result in March is a feeble +$136 (and $110 bonus cleared). A small sample size, but I've concluded that I'm going to stick to 200PLO and play in any HILO game from 100 through to 400. Personally I think HILO is my stronger game.

Goals:

25,000 hands. I have to balance university, dancing, teaching with my poker and I'll be really happy if I can get that many hands. Omaha is not a game where you can 8-table. VPIP is generally 25-30 (you can get away with 15-20 in Holdem) and you see more later streets, and you have to calculate odds more. Betting patterns matter a lot, so you really need to be following a hand through once you start playing it post flop.

NO TILT! Omaha is a really swingy game. There are lots more opportunities to get it all in, and a lot of the time when a lot of money is at stake, it's closer than 60-40. And in Omaha, tilt is really, really, really bad. So I'm really making a big effort to reduce the effects of tilt. I'm actually fairly good with emotional control at Holdem, but I have to get used to the swings in the action game.

PLAY TO MY STRONG SUITS. 200PLO, and all PLO8 games. 400PLO is just generally too hard for me.

UPDATE REGULARLY. Even when things aren't going so well I intend to force myself to be accountable.

omaha is way too much of a gamblers game for me. The PL structure does help that a bit I guess. In any case, goodluck.

Awesome, I love O8b. GL2U

UPDATE:

I'm off to a good start. I've had my first opportunity to play. I had a day off from Uni on Tuesday and played again on Wednesday Evening (times in Australian time). Managed to put in about 900 hands each day. Cleared a $100 bonus, which is also good.

I'm at +$3051 over 1767 hands, with a VPIP of 25.5%
$2550 is from 200PLO, and 500 from PLO8. That's because about 75% of the hands are high only. There isn't always a Hi-Lo game running on my site of choice, and even when there is, it's only 1 table out of four.

HANDS:

I'll start on a happy note. BTW, the hand converter is not working! If someone can tell me how to work it to post Omaha hands I would be entirely grateful

HAND 1A)
AAxx is still the winningest hand in Omaha. You just need to play it judiciously. Here I had an opportunity to get 1/4 of my stack into the pot pre flop and the rest of it in on the flop. I know, I said I wouldn't play $400PLO. But villain had been tilting on my 200PLO table and was a total fish so I chased him down and it paid off.

Don't ask me why he called the flop.

***** Hand History for Game 5834646329 *****
$ 400 USD PL Omaha - Monday, April 02, 22:25:42 ET 2007
Table Table 125432 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 4: materazzzi ( $ 380.30 USD )
Seat 5: WESTLE ( $ 581.34 USD )
Seat 6: Mr_Leeuwen ( $ 294.92 USD )
Seat 7: Asonev ( $ 52 USD )
Seat 8: LatinBabe4U ( $ 346 USD )
Seat 9: NeverMind21 ( $ 801.04 USD )
Seat 10: HERO ( $ 400 USD )
Seat 3: DerPauker ( $ 386.55 USD )
Seat 1: steve1341 ( $ 120 USD )
NeverMind21 posts small blind [$ 2 USD].
HERO posts big blind [$ 4 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ As 4h Ah Kd ]
>You have options at Table 125381 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 127011 (No DP) Table!.
DerPauker raises [$ 14 USD]
materazzzi folds.
WESTLE folds.
Mr_Leeuwen calls [$ 14 USD]
Asonev folds.
LatinBabe4U calls [$ 14 USD]
NeverMind21 calls [$ 12 USD]
>You have options at Table 127933 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 127011 (No DP) Table!.
HERO raises [$ 80 USD]
DerPauker calls [$ 70 USD]
Mr_Leeuwen folds.
LatinBabe4U calls [$ 70 USD]
>You have options at Table 127011 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 125381 (No DP) Table!.
NeverMind21 calls [$ 70 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 6h, 8d ]
NeverMind21 checks.
HERO is all-In.
>You have options at Table 127011 (No DP) Table!.
DerPauker folds.
>You have options at Table 127011 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 127933 (No DP) Table!.
LatinBabe4U is all-In.
NeverMind21 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2d ]
HERO shows [ As, 4h, Ah, Kd ]a pair of Aces.
LatinBabe4U doesn't show [ Th, 4s, 8c, Tc ]a pair of Tens.
HERO wins $ 54 USD from side pot #1 with a pair of Aces.
HERO wins $ 871 USD from the main pot with a pair of Aces.


HAND 1B)

Now for the tricky hands. I think I had to felt the flop here, what do you guys think? I had AA owned, and I was pretty unlucky to run into a top set JJ in a raised pot. I still had .43 equity there, and with the fold equity I had, I think I had to felt the flop.

***** Hand History for Game 5838832289 *****
$ 200 USD PL Omaha - Wednesday, April 04, 07:15:08 ET 2007
Table Table 127501 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: MagicAbe ( $ 717.20 USD )
Seat 2: HERO ( $ 662.30 USD )
Seat 5: Ninnu111 ( $ 202.25 USD )
Seat 4: bibidel ( $ 180.55 USD )
Seat 10: Snarty ( $ 194.50 USD )
Seat 3: engel1213 ( $ 130.15 USD )
Seat 8: HA_KYKAH ( $ 180 USD )
Seat 9: Rocqoel ( $ 195.70 USD )
Seat 7: Quelvacho ( $ 197 USD )
Seat 6: PANDORA_14 ( $ 200 USD )
HA_KYKAH posts small blind [$ 1 USD].
Rocqoel posts big blind [$ 2 USD].
PANDORA_14 posts big blind [$ 2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Ts 4h Ah 9s ]
Snarty folds
MagicAbe folds
HERO calls [$ 2 USD]
engel1213 folds
bibidel raises [$ 11 USD]
Ninnu111 calls [$ 11 USD]
PANDORA_14 folds
Quelvacho folds
HA_KYKAH folds
Rocqoel calls [$ 9 USD]
HERO calls [$ 9 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, Jh, 8h ]
Rocqoel checks
HERO checks
bibidel bets [$ 44.65 USD]
Ninnu111 folds
Rocqoel folds
HERO raises [$ 178.60 USD]
bibidel is all-In [$ 124.90 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8s ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ac ]
HERO shows [ Ts, 4h, Ah, 9s ]two pairs, Aces and Eights.
bibidel shows [ 4c, Js, 4d, Jd ]a full house, Jacks full of Eights.
HERO wins $ 9.05 USD from side pot #1 with two pairs, Aces and Eights.
bibidel wins $ 383.10 USD from the main pot with a full house, Jacks full of Eights.


pokenum -o ts 4h ah 9s - 4c js 4d jd -- 3c jh 8h
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 3c Jh 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ts 9s Ah 4h 352 42.93 468 57.07 0 0.00 0.429
Js 4c Jd 4d 468 57.07 352 42.93 0 0.00 0.571

pokenum -o ts 4h ah 9s - 4c as 4d ad -- 3c jh 8h
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 3c Jh 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ts 9s Ah 4h 497 60.61 314 38.29 9 1.10 0.612
As 4c Ad 4d 314 38.29 497 60.61 9 1.10 0.388


HAND 1C)

This one is really tricky. I have a set, and a gutshot to a nut straight. Villain is a winning multi-tabler, and we have mutual respect. I'm almost certain he has 68xx. But the crucial question is what is the xx? It's possible I had the best hand on the flop, but I might not have, and I couldn't see him folding the nut straight. And on the turn, it's a huge decision for a lot of chips, and I just couldn't determine whether I should call or I should fold. Against a bare 68 I had the equity, but against a hand with good redraws I was in trouble. Given the rainbow flop I couldn't see him paying off on a board pair. But perhaps the implied odds were just there for a call... I'm still agonizing over this one

***** Hand History for Game 5838996940 *****
$ 200 USD PL Omaha - Wednesday, April 04, 08:26:08 ET 2007
Table Table 126512 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 6: MagicAbe ( $ 604.45 USD )
Seat 3: HERO ( $ 617.50 USD )
Seat 8: Ninnu111 ( $ 636 USD )
Seat 1: Briatore23 ( $ 397.60 USD )
Seat 9: Snarty ( $ 200 USD )
Seat 5: HA_KYKAH ( $ 256.60 USD )
Seat 7: Lanfear1 ( $ 283.95 USD )
Seat 10: Vanduo ( $ 147 USD )
Seat 2: amigos13 ( $ 335.50 USD )
Seat 4: Any_97 ( $ 201.70 USD )
Any_97 posts small blind [$ 1 USD].
HA_KYKAH posts big blind [$ 2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 9c 8s Jh 9h ]
>You have options at Table 127501 (No DP) Table!.
MagicAbe calls [$ 2 USD]
Lanfear1 calls [$ 2 USD]
Ninnu111 calls [$ 2 USD]
Snarty calls [$ 2 USD]
Vanduo folds
Briatore23 raises [$ 15 USD]
amigos13 folds
HERO calls [$ 15 USD]
Any_97 folds
HA_KYKAH folds
MagicAbe calls [$ 13 USD]
Lanfear1 calls [$ 13 USD]
Ninnu111 calls [$ 13 USD]
Snarty calls [$ 13 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9d, 5s, 7c ]
MagicAbe checks
Lanfear1 checks
Ninnu111 bets [$ 90 USD]
Snarty folds
Briatore23 folds
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
HERO calls [$ 90 USD]
MagicAbe folds
Lanfear1 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
Ninnu111 bets [$ 270 USD]
>You have options at Table 127673 (No DP) Table!.
HERO folds
Ninnu111 does not show cards.
Ninnu111 wins $ 540 USD

ON THE FLOP

pokenum -o 9c 8s jh 9h - 6d ts 8c jd -- 9d 5s 7c
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 5s 7c 9d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
8s 9c Jh 9h 303 36.95 431 52.56 86 10.49 0.422
Ts 8c Jd 6d 431 52.56 303 36.95 86 10.49 0.578

pokenum -o 9c 8s jh 9h - 4h 6d 7s 8c -- 9d 5s 7c
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 5s 7c 9d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
8s 9c Jh 9h 382 46.59 342 41.71 96 11.71 0.524
7s 8c 6d 4h 342 41.71 382 46.59 96 11.71 0.476

ON THE TURN

pokenum -o 9c 8s jh 9h - ts 8c jd 6d -- 9d 5s 7c 2d
Omaha Hi: 40 enumerated boards containing 5s 7c 9d 2d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
8s 9c Jh 9h 10 25.00 28 70.00 2 5.00 0.275
Ts 8c Jd 6d 28 70.00 10 25.00 2 5.00 0.725

pokenum -o 9c 8s jh 9h - 4h 6d 7s 8c -- 9d 5s 7c 2d
Omaha Hi: 40 enumerated boards containing 5s 7c 9d 2d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
8s 9c Jh 9h 13 32.50 24 60.00 3 7.50 0.362
7s 8c 6d 4h 24 60.00 13 32.50 3 7.50 0.637

Very cool thread idea.

I'm a sucker for PLO. Not very good at it but it's such a fun game. PEELING FLOPS FTW!

Hi-lo is just too complex for me but it's great to see someone from FTR tackling it head-on.

Keep posting hands and good luck!

i guess its sad that i no none of the other card games besides texas holdem

Ive got no time to learn proper either so gl to you man. ill keep an eye on your progress.

Nice, something else for a change!

I'd love to learn PLO someday, but I think I better stick to my hold em until it has reached a respectable level

GL man

Hey great thread as I'm learning to play PLO. I think it might improve my postflop skillz in Holdem a little. GL.

5draw>PLO>holdem.

gl with this btw, ill be an avide reader. 400plo is very tough IMO.

UPDATE:

I'm not up to 3376 hands for April which is way less than I'd like. I've slowed down a bit since my dream start. I've run into some bad beats and my sets and full houses have been killing me.

Some of them were bad beats, and one was a middle set where I was drawing dead against a higher set AND a nut flush draw. I'm now positive in every game I've played: that's 100, 200 and 400 PLO and PLO8. I haven't had the chance to play 400 PLO8 because there have been no games running.

$3411 profit + $100 bonus so far.

UPDATE:

The end of a bittersweet session for me. I generally played well and aggressively, and at one point I was up by nearly $500 more than my finishing total (in my estimation). In the end i got cold decked and my aggression amplified the effect.

Hands: 4034
Winnings: $3486

$525 from HiLo, $2425 from 200PLO, and a little bit from 400PLO and 100PLO although I'm primarily sticking to 200PLO from now on. I'm less than a sixth through my hands after about 1/4 of the month. I might not hit my target but i'll keep trying

RANDOM THOUGHTS:

The Peter Principle states that people move up until they reach their level of incompetence. For me, that level is unfortunately at 400PL/NL. I tried breaking it at holdem, and failed. Tried to break it at PLO, and failed once again. At least it's not too expensive this time around. My career results at 400 is not something i'm very proud of. On the other hand, I'm really comfortable at my sweet spot of 200NL/PL, where I've killed the games for over a year now

I've promised myself to make the most of things when it's going well because it may not last forever. So I will endeavour to put in more hands. I regret not getting enough holdem played when things were good. I thought the games would be soft forever, and there would be plentiful bonuses and the bodog bottomless bonuses forever, but I was wrong. In that glorious year after I exhausted my casino bonuses and graduated from party and skins (man I miss those bonuses now... 2-4 reloads a month and virtually unlimited 20x multipoker bonuses) and started moving up @ bodog between mid nov 2005 to mid nov 2006 I made 60k, but had played as much as I could it's likely I could have made double that.

Still, there's no reason why I can't achieve the same amount this year. Remember to make hay while the sun shines.

Which is why I haven't got around to posting any hands, but rest assured I will be collecting hands and posting them when I go back to uni and I'm bored in my lectures!

I don't get hand 1c on the first post. You have top set and a double gut and there's nothing to say that guy doesn't have middle set or some big draw correct?

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I don't get hand 1c on the first post. You have top set and a double gut and there's nothing to say that guy doesn't have middle set or some big draw correct?

In my experience a solid player has the straight 100% of the time in this spot, most likely with redraws.

Originally Posted by Genitruc

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I don't get hand 1c on the first post. You have top set and a double gut and there's nothing to say that guy doesn't have middle set or some big draw correct?

In my experience a solid player has the straight 100% of the time in this spot, most likely with redraws.

You're right... 8TJQ and 77xx are possible holdings here.... but for a passive and fairly sensible player to lead pot into a big field and pot the turn again I'm 95% sure he had a 68 here. Had there been a flush draw on the board I would be felting it. With shallower stacks and a less competent opponent I'd felt it.

The problem with pushing the turn is that I might have odds to call but not to push and get called. And If I simply call I'm almost getting reverse implied odds... if the river is a brick and he pots it again, do I call and hope to see 8TJQ?

Perhaps pushing it on the flop was the move, but that seems like a waste of my positional advantage. In fact I don't think that's correct because I don't want to drive out other straight draws or another 68xx, or a lower set. I still have no idea what to do in this spot. I still think my line is the correct, albeit nitty line, but I could easily change my mind.

THEME: EXTRACTING CHIPS FROM A FISH

HAND 2A)
Here’s a hand early in the session to get the ball rolling. Notice the villain here and his absolutely attrocious call; we’ll be coming back to him shortly. My stats on him by the end of the session were 173 Hands, VPIP of 91(!!!), PFR 34, ($816.15) at -118BB/100.

***** Hand History for Game 5856156681 *****
$ 200 USD PL Omaha - Monday, April 09, 06:56:56 ET 2007
Table Table 125419 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: materazzzi ( $ 484.60 USD )
Seat 2: Zerberus666 ( $ 666.90 USD )
Seat 5: qaratapa ( $ 352.90 USD )
Seat 8: saltsoup ( $ 305 USD )
Seat 9: tislis_6 ( $ 491.49 USD )
Seat 3: HERO ( $ 188 USD )
Seat 10: haywh ( $ 49.90 USD )
Seat 7: lucky_fish1 ( $ 135.38 USD )
Seat 6: moonmarrow ( $ 182.10 USD )
Seat 4: THERESADO63 ( $ 100 USD )
Zerberus666 posts small blind [$ 1 USD].
HERO posts big blind [$ 2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Kh 5c Qd Jc ]
qaratapa calls [$ 2 USD]
moonmarrow folds
lucky_fish1 calls [$ 2 USD]
>You have options at Table 126470 (No DP) Table!.
saltsoup folds
haywh raises [$ 4 USD]
Zerberus666 calls [$ 3 USD]
HERO calls [$ 2 USD]
qaratapa calls [$ 2 USD]
come on plz
>You have options at Table 126336 (No DP) Table!.
lucky_fish1 calls [$ 2 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, Kc, 5d ]
Zerberus666 checks
HERO checks
qaratapa checks
lucky_fish1 checks
haywh bets [$ 19 USD]
Zerberus666 folds
HERO raises [$ 76 USD]
qaratapa folds
lucky_fish1 folds
haywh is all-In [$ 26.90 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jh ]
HERO shows [ Kh, 5c, Qd, Jc ]two pairs, Kings and Jacks.
haywh doesn't show [ 2d, 6s, Ad, Ks ]a pair of Kings.
HERO wins $ 30.10 USD from side pot #1 with two pairs, Kings and Jacks.
HERO wins $ 108.80 USD from the main pot with two pairs, Kings and Jacks.

HAND 2B)
A little later that session. I really like betting the flop here. On the flop I pot it with a medium flush draw, a troublesome 8-out straight draw and a pair. I’m trying to get position on the PFR and take the initiative away from him if he has an AA, and give him reverse implied odds. I also want to clear stuff like AJ and AK, and if I get a flat call I know my flush is possibly no good. PFR actually folds, which is great because I now have position, and I’ve isolated the fish. On the turn I hit a straight but it’s not the nuts. But I have to bet it against the fish. On the river, the board pairs but I put the rest in anyway because if I checked and he bet I’d call anyway. I felt he was more likely to call with a shit hand than bet with one. Perhaps I was wrong and should have gone for the check call, but we’ll never know. Besides, making him fold has the incidental benefit of arousing his curiosity… after all, fish like him can only tolerate folding so many hands, and he “used” one of his folds here.

***** Hand History for Game 5856252349 *****
$ 200 USD PL Omaha - Monday, April 09, 07:35:10 ET 2007
Table Table 125419 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: Zerberus666 ( $ 1,039 USD )
Seat 5: qaratapa ( $ 396.85 USD )
Seat 8: saltsoup ( $ 197 USD )
Seat 9: tislis_6 ( $ 478.49 USD )
Seat 3: HERO ( $ 219 USD )
Seat 10: haywh ( $ 176.17 USD )
Seat 7: lucky_fish1 ( $ 126.91 USD )
Seat 4: THERESADO63 ( $ 82.50 USD )
Seat 1: XBOCT2 ( $ 192 USD )
Seat 6: loose_action ( $ 194 USD )
XBOCT2 posts small blind [$ 1 USD].
Zerberus666 posts big blind [$ 2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 9s Js Ts Jc ]
HERO calls [$ 2 USD]
THERESADO63 raises [$ 6 USD]
qaratapa folds
loose_action folds
lucky_fish1 folds
saltsoup folds
tislis_6 folds
haywh calls [$ 6 USD]
XBOCT2 folds
Zerberus666 calls [$ 4 USD]
>You have options at Table 126336 (No DP) Table!.
HERO calls [$ 4 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, Td, 6s ]
Zerberus666 checks
HERO bets [$ 23.75 USD]
THERESADO63 folds
>You have options at Table 126470 (No DP) Table!.
haywh calls [$ 23.75 USD]
Zerberus666 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
>You have options at Table 126336 (No DP) Table!.
HERO bets [$ 69.50 USD]
>You have options at Table 126336 (No DP) Table!.
haywh calls [$ 69.50 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Qc ]
HERO is all-In [$ 119.75 USD]
>You have options at Table 126470 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 126336 (No DP) Table!.
haywh folds
HERO does not show cards.
HERO wins $ 328.25 USD

HAND 2C)
My previous aggression makes betting here a no-brainer. If I’m going to play aggressively with a lot of draws and marginal holdings, then I’m going to be aggressive with the nuts. As I’d been betting draws and 2 pairs, I checked the turn, hoping loose_action (a somewhat loose, slightly losing player who was not insane) had the middle set or bottom 2 pair and would bet it. If not, he might try to bluff, or hit his draw on the river and be tempted to call. I think you should balance 50% checking and 50% betting half the pot. Especially if you’re also going to pot the flop with a draw like 5677, where you’ll almost always want to half pot on a board pair hoping to represent the full house. Here I elected to check. On the river, he makes a retarded blocking bet, so I raise half the pot and hope he calls, which he does.

***** Hand History for Game 5856275321 *****
$ 200 USD PL Omaha - Monday, April 09, 07:43:57 ET 2007
Table Table 125419 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: Zerberus666 ( $ 1,032 USD )
Seat 5: qaratapa ( $ 440.30 USD )
Seat 8: saltsoup ( $ 200 USD )
Seat 9: tislis_6 ( $ 478.49 USD )
Seat 3: HERO ( $ 325.25 USD )
Seat 10: haywh ( $ 99.12 USD )
Seat 4: THERESADO63 ( $ 68.70 USD )
Seat 6: loose_action ( $ 189 USD )
Seat 7: Dr_Gammon ( $ 196 USD )
Dr_Gammon posts small blind [$ 1 USD].
saltsoup posts big blind [$ 2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Kd 9h Ks Td ]
grmpf has joined the table.
tislis_6 did not respond in time
tislis_6 folds.
haywh calls [$ 2 USD]
Zerberus666 folds.
HERO calls [$ 2 USD]
THERESADO63 calls [$ 2 USD]
qaratapa calls [$ 2 USD]
>You have options at Table 126336 (No DP) Table!.
loose_action calls [$ 2 USD]
Dr_Gammon calls [$ 1 USD]
saltsoup checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 4h, 8s ]
Dr_Gammon checks.
saltsoup checks.
haywh checks.
HERO bets [$ 13.30 USD]
THERESADO63 folds.
qaratapa folds.
loose_action calls [$ 13.30 USD]
>You have options at Table 126336 (No DP) Table!.
Dr_Gammon folds.
saltsoup folds.
>You have options at Table 126336 (No DP) Table!.
haywh calls [$ 13.30 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4s ]
>You have options at Table 126336 (No DP) Table!.
haywh checks.
HERO checks.
loose_action checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
haywh bets [$ 2 USD]
HERO raises [$ 32 USD]
loose_action folds.
haywh calls [$ 30 USD]
HERO shows [ Kd, 9h, Ks, Td ]a full house, Kings full of Fours.
haywh doesn't show [ Tc, 3h, 8c, 6s ]two pairs, Eights and Fours.
HERO wins $ 114.90 USD from the main pot with a full house, Kings full of Fours.
>You have options at Table 126470 (No DP) Table!.

HAND 2D)
I’m not sure if I missed value here. But I think checking the river is OK; I’d hate to get checkraised and not know what to do. After all, I’d seen what he was willing to call me with. I think my river check behind is a defensible choice, but I think it’s a mistake. I’d be interested to hear what you have to say about this.

***** Hand History for Game 5856323034 *****
$ 200 USD PL Omaha - Monday, April 09, 08:02:19 ET 2007
Table Table 125419 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 5: qaratapa ( $ 412.35 USD )
Seat 8: saltsoup ( $ 200 USD )
Seat 9: tislis_6 ( $ 489.34 USD )
Seat 3: HERO ( $ 375.35 USD )
Seat 10: haywh ( $ 200.50 USD )
Seat 6: loose_action ( $ 242.57 USD )
Seat 7: Dr_Gammon ( $ 224.10 USD )
Seat 1: grmpf ( $ 149.35 USD )
Seat 4: qp10y ( $ 142.05 USD )
Seat 2: Peeweelow ( $ 196 USD )
loose_action posts small blind [$ 1 USD].
Dr_Gammon posts big blind [$ 2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Ac 7d 9d 3c ]
saltsoup folds.
tislis_6 calls [$ 2 USD]
>You have options at Table 126470 (No DP) Table!.
haywh calls [$ 2 USD]
grmpf folds.
Peeweelow folds.
HERO calls [$ 2 USD]
qp10y folds.
qaratapa folds.
loose_action calls [$ 1 USD]
Dr_Gammon raises [$ 10 USD]
tislis_6 calls [$ 10 USD]
haywh calls [$ 10 USD]
>You have options at Table 126336 (No DP) Table!.
HERO calls [$ 10 USD]
loose_action folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, 5d, 4d ]
>You have options at Table 126470 (No DP) Table!.
Dr_Gammon checks.
tislis_6 checks.
haywh bets [$ 2 USD]
HERO calls [$ 2 USD]
Dr_Gammon folds.
tislis_6 calls [$ 2 USD]
>You have options at Table 126336 (No DP) Table!.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
tislis_6 checks.
haywh checks.
HERO bets [$ 53.20 USD]
tislis_6 folds.
haywh calls [$ 53.20 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Ks ]
>You have options at Table 126470 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 126470 (No DP) Table!.
haywh checks.
>You have options at Table 126470 (No DP) Table!.
HERO checks.
haywh shows [ Td, Jc, Qh, 2s ]two pairs, Queens and Twos.
HERO shows [ Ac, 7d, 9d, 3c ]a flush, Queen high.
HERO wins $ 159.40 USD from the main pot with a flush, Queen high.

HAND 2E)

Just to make you real jealous, here’s a hand I played with him a few days ago. I wouldn’t play like this against a sane player, but he’d been tilting a bit too so I thought I’d let him bet the flop and punish him with the raise. I thought he would have raised AA and was just pissed off at me for raising his limp (he was limping way too much). Every hand that he’d shown down AA he had made the standard PSB pre flop.

***** Hand History for Game 5838909504 *****
$ 200 USD PL Omaha - Wednesday, April 04, 07:49:24 ET 2007
Table Table 126512 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 6: MagicAbe ( $ 510.80 USD )
Seat 10: haywh ( $ 278.05 USD )
Seat 3: HERO ( $ 200 USD )
Seat 8: Ninnu111 ( $ 561.65 USD )
Seat 7: pearnip ( $ 0 USD )
Seat 2: MusHansen ( $ 205.30 USD )
Seat 1: Briatore23 ( $ 391.40 USD )
Seat 9: Snarty ( $ 351.90 USD )
Seat 5: HA_KYKAH ( $ 260.60 USD )
Seat 4: PANDORA_14 ( $ 513.12 USD )
HA_KYKAH posts small blind [$ 1 USD].
MagicAbe posts big blind [$ 2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Ac 7d 9h As ]
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
Ninnu111 folds.
Snarty folds.
haywh calls [$ 2 USD]
Briatore23 folds.
pearnip has left the table.
MusHansen did not respond in time
MusHansen folds.
>You have options at Table 127501 (No DP) Table!.
HERO raises [$ 9 USD]
PANDORA_14 folds.
HA_KYKAH folds.
Lanfear1 has joined the table.
MagicAbe folds.
>You have options at Table 127673 (No DP) Table!.
haywh raises [$ 28 USD]
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 127501 (No DP) Table!.
HERO calls [$ 21 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 6c, Qc ]
haywh bets [$ 60 USD]
HERO is all-In.
haywh calls [$ 110 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
** Dealing River ** [ Qh ]
haywh shows [ Ah, Kh, 2h, Kc ]two pairs, Aces and Queens.
HERO shows [ Ac, 7d, 9h, As ]a full house, Aces full of Queens.
HERO wins $ 400 USD from the main pot with a full house, Aces full of Queens.
>You have options at Table 127501 (No DP) Table!.
#Game No : 5838913400

HAND 2F)

Just 3 minutes later, with my stack freshly doubled up from him, he’d already managed to rebuy and lose another $40. This one is just absolutely mind boggling. I’m fortunate enough to get a lot of money in pre flop with a powerful holding, and he called my pot size continuation with… Ace High, no draws. I don’t think I’ve seen anything more retarded in my life… and I’ve been playing for while.

***** Hand History for Game 5838916418 *****
$ 200 USD PL Omaha - Wednesday, April 04, 07:52:21 ET 2007
Table Table 126512 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 6: MagicAbe ( $ 507.80 USD )
Seat 10: haywh ( $ 169.05 USD )
Seat 3: HERO ( $ 400 USD )
Seat 8: Ninnu111 ( $ 561.65 USD )
Seat 2: MusHansen ( $ 205.30 USD )
Seat 1: Briatore23 ( $ 384.40 USD )
Seat 9: Snarty ( $ 351.90 USD )
Seat 5: HA_KYKAH ( $ 259.60 USD )
Seat 4: PANDORA_14 ( $ 513.12 USD )
Seat 7: Lanfear1 ( $ 215.70 USD )
Lanfear1 posts small blind [$ 1 USD].
Ninnu111 posts big blind [$ 2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Kd As Ad Qd ]
Snarty calls [$ 2 USD]
haywh raises [$ 9 USD]
Briatore23 calls [$ 9 USD]
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
HERO raises [$ 41 USD]
PANDORA_14 folds.
HA_KYKAH folds.
MagicAbe folds.
Lanfear1 folds.
Ninnu111 folds.
Snarty folds.
haywh calls [$ 32 USD]
Briatore23 calls [$ 32 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, Th, Ks ]
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
haywh checks.
>You have options at Table 127673 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 127501 (No DP) Table!.
Briatore23 checks.
HERO bets [$ 125 USD]
haywh calls [$ 125 USD]
Briatore23 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
haywh is all-In.
HERO calls [$ 3.05 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
haywh shows [ 3c, Ah, 8d, 2h ]high card Ace.
HERO shows [ Kd, As, Ad, Qd ]a straight Ten to Ace.
HERO wins $ 381.10 USD from the main pot with a straight, Ten to Ace.
#Game No : 5838920218

Just for curiosity, my stats on AAxx in PLO high only are: dealt 83 times in 3660 hands, for 4.98 big bets per hand. I’ve lost more than 25BB 5 times. I raise preflop 65% of the time.

HAND 3A)

Time for some more problematic hands. This is a common situation: top pair + nut flush draw. A felting hand in Texas Holdem, but this is not Holdem. I like potting the flop. I’m never drawing dead, and I’m setting up my opponents for potentially big mistakes if they’re calling with 2 pair or a lower flush draw, and getting value from a straight draw. Villain had a fairly wide pre flop raising range, and I was willing to run the risk of meeting the last two aces. When he flat calls the flop, it’s obvious he doesn’t have a set, so I push and pray he folds 2 pair.

***** Hand History for Game 5856520892 *****
$ 200 USD PL Omaha - Monday, April 09, 09:12:36 ET 2007
Table Table 126336 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 7: HERO ( $ 397.30 USD )
Seat 2: JKo2nuts ( $ 376.05 USD )
Seat 1: canalratt ( $ 218.30 USD )
Seat 8: Ninnu111 ( $ 209.05 USD )
Seat 9: Criminal288 ( $ 130.45 USD )
Seat 10: Lisen6 ( $ 156.70 USD )
Seat 3: k287ru ( $ 186 USD )
Seat 5: THERESADO63 ( $ 87.30 USD )
Seat 6: AK__no_good ( $ 140.65 USD )
Seat 4: tislis_6 ( $ 200 USD )
canalratt posts small blind [$ 1 USD].
k287ru posts big blind [$ 2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 8c Ac 6h 8h ]
>You have options at Table 126470 (No DP) Table!.
THERESADO63 calls [$ 2 USD]
AK__no_good folds.
HERO calls [$ 2 USD]
Ninnu111 folds.
Criminal288 calls [$ 2 USD]
Lisen6 raises [$ 13 USD]
canalratt folds.
k287ru folds.
THERESADO63 calls [$ 11 USD]
HERO calls [$ 11 USD]
Criminal288 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, Ad, Tc ]
THERESADO63 checks.
HERO bets [$ 41.80 USD]
Lisen6 calls [$ 41.80 USD]
THERESADO63 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
HERO bets [$ 124.60 USD]
Lisen6 is all-In.

HAND 3B)

Villain was 23VPIP (that’s fairly tight for PLO) over 100 hands. He wasn’t a very inventive player, but I wasn’t sure if he’d call with a 3 being so tight and lead the flop into my PFR with it. Comments on this hand appreciated.

***** Hand History for Game 5856287361 *****
$ 200 USD PL Omaha - Monday, April 09, 07:48:41 ET 2007
Table Table 126336 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 3: qaratapa ( $ 724.68 USD )
Seat 6: saltsoup ( $ 463.65 USD )
Seat 10: tislis_6 ( $ 655.40 USD )
Seat 7: HERO ( $ 176.25 USD )
Seat 9: Lisen6 ( $ 205.05 USD )
Seat 1: Zerberus666 ( $ 308.85 USD )
Seat 5: Mejse70 ( $ 174.50 USD )
Seat 8: loose_action ( $ 178.35 USD )
Seat 2: JKo2nuts ( $ 200 USD )
loose_action posts small blind [$ 1 USD].
Lisen6 posts big blind [$ 2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 8s 2d Ad As ]
tislis_6 folds.
Zerberus666 folds.
qaratapa calls [$ 2 USD]
Mejse70 calls [$ 2 USD]
saltsoup folds.
qp10y has joined the table.
HERO raises [$ 11 USD]
loose_action calls [$ 10 USD]
Lisen6 folds.
qaratapa folds.
>You have options at Table 126470 (No DP) Table!.
Mejse70 calls [$ 9 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, 3c, 7d ]
loose_action checks.
Mejse70 bets [$ 32 USD]
HERO calls [$ 32 USD]
loose_action folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
Mejse70 bets [$ 98 USD]
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
HERO is all-In.
Mejse70 is all-In.

HAND 3C)

What do you think? Perhaps it would have been better to lead the flop and fold to a raise. With a broadway straight and 2 spades on the board I think I overvalued my middle set here. I’m prone to overvaluing sets. It’s probably my biggest leak at the moment. There had already been a hand where I put it all in with middle set against a bigger set and a flush draw and was drawing dead. I don’t have much idea how to play this flop AT ALL. Check raising turns a good hand into a semi-bluff, and check calling seems to open up a can of worms.

***** Hand History for Game 5856218776 *****
$ 200 USD PL Omaha - Monday, April 09, 07:22:03 ET 2007
Table Table 126336 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: qaratapa ( $ 728.68 USD )
Seat 4: THERESADO63 ( $ 128.95 USD )
Seat 6: saltsoup ( $ 414.70 USD )
Seat 10: tislis_6 ( $ 665.40 USD )
Seat 7: HERO ( $ 197 USD )
Seat 9: Lisen6 ( $ 200 USD )
Seat 1: Zerberus666 ( $ 342.55 USD )
Seat 8: moonmarrow ( $ 207.30 USD )
Seat 2: Snarty ( $ 290.15 USD )
Seat 5: Mejse70 ( $ 124 USD )
Snarty posts small blind [$ 1 USD].
qaratapa posts big blind [$ 2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ As Jd Qs Js ]
THERESADO63 folds.
Mejse70 calls [$ 2 USD]
saltsoup folds.
HERO calls [$ 2 USD]
moonmarrow raises [$ 8 USD]
Lisen6 calls [$ 8 USD]
tislis_6 folds.
Zerberus666 folds.
Snarty folds.
qaratapa folds.
>You have options at Table 126470 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
Mejse70 calls [$ 6 USD]
>You have options at Table 126470 (No DP) Table!.
HERO calls [$ 6 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, Jc, Qh ]
Mejse70 checks.
HERO checks.
moonmarrow bets [$ 22 USD]
Lisen6 folds.
>You have options at Table 126470 (No DP) Table!.
Mejse70 folds.
HERO raises [$ 99.25 USD]
moonmarrow is all-In.
HERO is all-In.

3a is defensible depending on reads, even preferrable

HAND 3B) - i guess don't understand this line of reasoning :

"Villain was 23VPIP (that’s fairly tight for PLO) over 100 hands. He wasn’t a very inventive player, but I wasn’t sure if he’d call with a 3 being so tight and lead the flop into my PFR with it""

Doesn't that mean he isn't inventine -ie plays straightforward. so when he bets into you OOP on this board, what does a st8 forward player have?
Calling isn't 100% suicidal if you have a read that he will payoff turn if you hit flush, or conversely if he will shut down on the turn and not bet if he doesn't fill (so you see both cards) but without these specific reads this call is suicidal. The turn raise all in, unless I'm reading too fast and missing something, is retarded.

HAND 3C)
What do you think? Perhaps it would have been better to lead the flop and fold to a raise. With a broadway straight and 2 spades on the board I think I overvalued my middle set here. I’m prone to overvaluing sets. It’s probably my biggest leak at the moment. There had already been a hand where I put it all in with middle set against a bigger set and a flush draw and was drawing dead. I don’t have much idea how to play this flop AT ALL. Check raising turns a good hand into a semi-bluff, and check calling seems to open up a can of worms.

*** That pretty much sums it up. Player reads are the most important thing here. Would he automatically push the AT on this draw heavy board, or would he C/C or B/C hoping for safe turn. Some people would play that way with QQ. Some push with both, as well as bottom set. Eitehr way, you are basically 50/50 with any hand other than QQ. You won't ever know if he has that, or the st8.

I think raising is only good if you think people are nitty/passive enough to fold often. I think the PLO medium stake Reraise on the flop is overused, since so often its simply a coin flip, and knowledgeable lags are fine getting 2/1 on thier money being 50%. The best have such a large bankroll that its extremely +EV since with enough variance you will bust out or drop stakes while they will be just fine. Put another way, i'm pretty passive and I"m calling you here with any AT, any flush draw, any set, and evaluating turn. I'll push every hand that beats yours on flop. With the draw hands, i'll make your life difficult on turn. Conclusion, deep stacked i don't think you should be looking to felt it here.

OMG YAY SOMEONE COMMENTED ON MY HANDS!!!

Thanks also biondino

I'm feeling a bit unloved cos I'd just been posting and nobody would reply. But now I feel loved again.

I'm now up to 6771 hands and +$6845

Mad variance tonight. I played great and hit a lot of hands but lost a lot of pots where I felted the flop with 55-60% equity. My PLO8 is going great as usual, being my strongest game. Had a freakish pot where I 1/8thed 3 full stacks with A2+NFD that hit. I still think I'm running well but tonight was a bit of a cooler. I'm pissed off because I outplayed my opponents totally and have -$100 to show for it.

Don't think I'll be able to finish my 25,000 by the end of the month but I'll try my very best.

I agree re hand 3C

As for 3B, I just felt that a straightforward player doesn't call with a lot of hands that include a 3, and when he hits trips I expected him to check raise the flop. When he plays his trips that fast against what is ostensibly an AAxx, I just didn't believe him. On this occasion I was right (he had JJ99 2 diamonds), but I'm still not sure on the reasoning.

UPDATE:

The last 2 days have been a little tougher. I've managed to put in about 800 hands a day, which doesn't sound like much, but I just don't have the ability to play that many tables of Omaha. 5 is my absolute maximum, and I'm most comfortable with 3 or 4.

So I've been working, giving piano lessons. I took another shot at 400PLO and won half a buy in. I got my money in twice, once as a 55% favourite in a $743 pot, and a 60% favourite in a $449 pot. I won the first and lost the second. I'm just out of my comfort zone playing 400PLO it's really swingy and you have to gambool a lot. There's a lot of LAGs who will stick it in with 40% probable equity and force you to make decisions. Then there's just the crazy bitches. Maybe I should allocate $2,000 of my winnings and just take proper, non-scared shot at it and see what happens. If I can get into the comfort zone, I think I have the skill to play 400PLO profitably.

Anyway: 8326 Hands now in April for $7861 profit
I've cooled off a bit, as expected. I mean the 43BB/100 over my first 2000 hands was not going to last forever. But I'm playing well, and I've made few retarded plays and I can only attribute one buyin to tilt.

I've got 2 more days of uni break and then I'll be quite busy again. I should definitely get to 10,000 hands, but then I think I'll be slowing down when uni resumes.

On Mondays I have uni from 10:00 - 6:00 and then I have dance training and I'd get back home at about 8:30. Dinner, shower and a couple of hours to play poker. Tuesday is poker day. Wednesday is similar to Monday except I probably won't be dancing. Thursday I have classes at 2:15-4:15 but the poker world is dead (sleeping) at that time anyway, so no big deal. And Fridays is another day set out for poker.

If I can get my university work under control (i.e. do it all in the time between classes on Monday and Wednesday which should be 3-4 hours a week) I should still be able to play at 70% capacity. Problem is it's one of the only times I have to catch up with friends and I'm constantly having lunch with girls (not really complaining here, but we have to compromise girls with poker and dancing and study). Good thing I'm underloading this semester, doing 3 subjects instead of 4. I haven't really decided what kind of priority I'm going to give to poker and study. Poker is more gratifying and profitable, and I don't really think it makes a difference what kind of results I get in my studies (I know I wouldn't fail even with zero study). It just feels so wrong to put poker in front of study.

Please tell me what you think! I really appreciate any posts in my thread, even if it's just to say hello.

fuck.

i'm shattered. Piece of shit fish plays like a crazy swede and i've doubled up once against him already.

I play a perfect hand and get it in on the turn as a 2:1 favorite in a 450BB pot. And get rivered. Why do these idiot fish win? My only comfort is i'm still up $364 on him lifetime

That caps off a nice $900 losing session

8,544 hands for $6977 profit now. I am tilting. I may or may not play tonight depending on how I feel

Update me plz

how soft are these games??

Wow, I got some love! I stopped updating because I didn't think anyone read my operation.

Since my last update it has been super swingy. Went on about a 4k downswing, and couple of 1.5k downswings.

But I've made about 3000 since my last post, so my critical stats are:

18k hands
$9600 profit

about 450 from bonuses and RB, so that puts me over 10k. But I'm not counting that money.

$2300 profit from playing O8 (games limited) and crushing it for 13BB/100. So I took some money and put it on full tilt to play some 08 but the games are significantly tougher. Been a hard slog so far but I'm up about 70 bux over 800 hands and I'm going to keep trying.

Party hi-lo games are really, really soft. Sometimes when there are no games around I'm slumming it at 50PL and my BB/100 is through the roof (small sample tho).

I'm going to post hands when I find the time. 3/4s through my operation now, I just need to keep my sanity and keep slogging through.

this thread make Omaha sound so so easy

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

this thread make Omaha sound so so easy

That's what I aim to do.

Good day today. Over 2k and building for the day's work. Ran really good. Couple of bad beats more than offset by my hands actually holding up when I was favorite and twice I got it in preflop with AAxx against AAxx and won. Current stats are 19376 hands for $12025 profit. A few hundred in bonuses and rakeback like I mentioned.

Here's some hands:

HAND 1)

That’s basically the best possible flop for my hand. Top set and nut flush draw; and villain pots it into me. I had to think for a while before deciding on the correct action of raising the pot. Villain obviously liked his hand to pot into a field of players including the pre-flop raiser, and I didn’t want a club to come down and kill my action. Mission accomplished.

***** Hand History for Game 5957972637 *****
$400 USD PL Omaha - Friday, May 11, 06:25:31 ET 2007
Table Table 126660 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: omalos ( $339.10 USD )
Seat 3: asikainl ( $394 USD )
Seat 4: blast100 ( $642.03 USD )
Seat 6: HERO ( $406.40 USD )
Seat 1: Boniton_Maximillion ( $477.10 USD )
Seat 10: grmpf ( $641.50 USD )
Seat 5: Zerberus666 ( $371.40 USD )
Seat 7: redbull344 ( $348 USD )
Seat 8: AFIR71 ( $293.90 USD )
Seat 9: taj_mahal44 ( $141.10 USD )
redbull344 posts small blind [$2 USD].
AFIR71 posts big blind [$4 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Ac 7c 9h 9s ]
taj_mahal44 folds.
grmpf folds.
Boniton_Maximillion raises [$14 USD]
omalos folds.
asikainl folds.
blast100 calls [$14 USD]
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
Zerberus666 calls [$14 USD]
HERO calls [$14 USD]
redbull344 folds.
AFIR71 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4c, 9c, 8h ]
>You have options at Table 126445 (No DP) Table!.
Boniton_Maximillion bets [$59 USD]
blast100 folds.
>You have options at Table 125432 (No DP) Table!.
Zerberus666 folds.
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
HERO raises [$236 USD]
Boniton_Maximillion is all-In.
HERO is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
HERO shows [ Ac, 7c, 9h, 9s ]three of a kind, Nines.
Boniton_Maximillion shows [ 6c, 8s, Tc, 7s ]a pair of Eights.
Boniton_Maximillion wins $70.70 USD from side pot #1 with a pair of Eights.
HERO wins $843.80 USD from the main pot with three of a kind, Nines.
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
taj_mahal44 has left the table.

HAND 2)

Any time you can stick more than half your stack in the pot pre-flop with two aces you’ve got the best of it. Normally I wouldn’t be reraising aces pre-flop because it telegraphs my hand but this was a good opportunity.

***** Hand History for Game 5957810659 *****
$200 USD PL Omaha - Friday, May 11, 04:23:06 ET 2007
Table Table 125419 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: out2try ( $70.60 USD )
Seat 6: LarryEmdur ( $347 USD )
Seat 7: nixnormal ( $218.20 USD )
Seat 8: Rostov74 ( $209.30 USD )
Seat 4: HERO ( $194.65 USD )
Seat 1: pokerman4045 ( $83.05 USD )
Seat 9: fattchoy888 ( $74.20 USD )
Seat 10: saltamore ( $62.70 USD )
Seat 3: domifa1 ( $200 USD )
Seat 5: Luiz0 ( $40 USD )
HERO posts small blind [$1 USD].
Luiz0 posts big blind [$2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Th Ah As Tc ]
nixnormal calls [$2 USD]
fattchoy888 folds.
pokerman4045 folds.
out2try folds.
HERO raises [$7 USD]
LarryEmdur has left the table.
Luiz0 raises [$24 USD]
nixnormal calls [$24 USD]
HERO raises [$96 USD]
Luiz0 is all-In.
nixnormal calls [$78 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, 2s, 6d ]
HERO is all-In.
nixnormal calls [$90.65 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Qh ]
HERO shows [ Th, Ah, As, Tc ]a flush, Ace high.
Luiz0 doesn't show [ Kh, 5s, 6s, Kc ]two pairs, Kings and Twos.
nixnormal shows [ Js, 6c, 9c, Ts ]two pairs, Sixes and Twos.
HERO wins $309.30 USD from side pot #1 with a flush, Ace high.
HERO wins $117 USD from the main pot with a flush, Ace high.
Buying in short into the 400PLO game. The raiser was very loose raising pre flop so with a short stack I think reraising with Kings is the right move.

HAND 3)

***** Hand History for Game 5957961067 *****
$400 USD PL Omaha - Friday, May 11, 06:17:49 ET 2007
Table Table 127057 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Boniton_Maximillion ( $398 USD )
Seat 2: SMEGVIP ( $738.50 USD )
Seat 3: taj_mahal44 ( $92.30 USD )
Seat 4: puper22 ( $898.60 USD )
Seat 6: omalos ( $463.40 USD )
Seat 7: blast100 ( $1,234.65 USD )
Seat 8: Dreamcatch1 ( $893.70 USD )
Seat 10: saltsoup ( $482.80 USD )
Seat 5: HERO ( $114 USD )
Seat 9: asikainl ( $396 USD )
omalos posts small blind [$2 USD].
blast100 posts big blind [$4 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Ks 3c 4d Kc ]
>You have options at Table 125432 (No DP) Table!.
Dreamcatch1 folds.
asikainl folds.
saltsoup folds.
>You have options at Table 126445 (No DP) Table!.
Boniton_Maximillion folds.
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
taj_mahal44 raises [$12 USD]
puper22 folds.
HERO raises [$42 USD]
omalos folds.
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
blast100 calls [$38 USD]
taj_mahal44 is all-In.
>You have options at Table 126445 (No DP) Table!.
HERO is all-In.
blast100 calls [$72 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 4c, 3d ]
>You have options at Table 126660 (No DP) Table!.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6s ]
HERO shows [ Ks, 3c, 4d, Kc ]two pairs, Fours and Threes.
blast100 shows [ Qc, Qd, 3h, 9c ]a pair of Queens.
taj_mahal44 doesn't show [ Td, Qh, 7h, Jd ]high card Queen.
HERO wins $43.40 USD from side pot #1 with two pairs, Fours and Threes.
HERO wins $275.90 USD from the main pot with two pairs, Fours and Threes.
SMEGVIP has left the table.

Limping with AA2J single suited. Not a bad hand, but I don’t like raising out of position with a full stack. Villain slowplays the flop, which is a really poor decision. He needed to bet because he’s only going to get paid off by the case 9, and the only hands that will give him action on later streets are hands that beat him. Like mine. He’d already slowplayed a set of 6s, to re-suckout on the river making quads. But not this time.

HAND 4)

***** Hand History for Game 5957524826 *****
$200 USD PL Omaha - Thursday, May 10, 22:45:09 ET 2007
Table Table 126512 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: domifa1 ( $343 USD )
Seat 2: breiflabb1 ( $593.30 USD )
Seat 3: HB8073 ( $195 USD )
Seat 4: D0NKEYSTYLE ( $198 USD )
Seat 6: MusHansen ( $0 USD )
Seat 7: kilkilkil ( $172.64 USD )
Seat 8: Picasso31 ( $310.50 USD )
Seat 10: Dr_Drug ( $122 USD )
Seat 5: HERO ( $180.60 USD )
Seat 9: betterthanlucky ( $200 USD )
breiflabb1 posts small blind [$1 USD].
HB8073 posts big blind [$2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Js Ah 2h Ac ]
breiflabb1: PLO = perfect place for holdem steamers
D0NKEYSTYLE folds
HERO calls [$2 USD]
kilkilkil calls [$2 USD]
Picasso31 calls [$2 USD]
breiflabb1 calls [$1 USD]
HB8073 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, 9h, Ts ]
breiflabb1 checks.
HB8073 checks.
HERO checks.
kilkilkil checks.
Picasso31 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
breiflabb1 checks.
HB8073 bets [$6 USD]
D0NKEYSTYLE: are u losing at hold'em brief
HERO calls [$6 USD]
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
breiflabb1: atm, yes
kilkilkil raises [$33.50 USD]
Picasso31 folds.
breiflabb1 folds.
HB8073 folds.
D0NKEYSTYLE: want some advice
breiflabb1: lol
D0NKEYSTYLE: STOP FISHING!
HERO raises [$110 USD]
breiflabb1: "dont play plo"
kilkilkil calls [$82.50 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Td ]
HERO is all-In.
kilkilkil is all-In.
HERO shows [ Js, Ah, 2h, Ac ]a full house, Aces full of Tens.
kilkilkil doesn't show [ 8d, Tc, 9d, 3d ]a full house, Tens full of Nines.
HERO wins $7.96 USD from side pot #1 with a full house, Aces full of Tens.
HERO wins $354.28 USD from the main pot with a full house, Aces full of Tens.
>You have options at Table 131194 (No DP) Table!.

HAND 5)

With top 2 pair on a draw heavy board and out of position I flat call on the flop to keep my flexibility. I can attack a safe card, and if the action is scarecard-pot-potraise, I can drop my 2 pair. On the turn I go for the check raise because grmpf had been very aggressive, and I had the perfect stack size left to put it all in. Worked like a charm.

***** Hand History for Game 5958021342 *****
$400 USD PL Omaha - Friday, May 11, 06:56:34 ET 2007
Table Table 126660 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: omalos ( $400 USD )
Seat 7: redbull344 ( $447.80 USD )
Seat 10: grmpf ( $1,296.60 USD )
Seat 6: HERO ( $239 USD )
Seat 8: Taekyeon ( $0 USD )
Seat 5: KiFir1982 ( $246 USD )
Seat 1: tislis_6 ( $0 USD )
omalos posts small blind [$2 USD].
KiFir1982 posts big blind [$4 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 8h As 7h Ks ]
tislis_6 has joined the table.
HERO calls [$4 USD]
redbull344 raises [$8 USD]
grmpf calls [$8 USD]
omalos folds.
KiFir1982 calls [$4 USD]
HERO calls [$4 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, Kh, Ac ]
KiFir1982 checks.
HERO checks.
redbull344 bets [$12 USD]
grmpf calls [$12 USD]
KiFir1982 folds.
>You have options at Table 127876 (No DP) Table!.
HERO calls [$12 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7s ]
HERO checks.
redbull344 checks.
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
grmpf bets [$68 USD]
HERO is all-In.
redbull344 folds.
grmpf folds.
HERO does not show cards.
HERO wins $355 USD

HAND 6)

I DO get bad beats too… nothing much to say about this hand. Flop a monster, get it all in on the turn, and get rivered. Standard.

***** Hand History for Game 5958607228 *****
$200 USD PL Omaha - Friday, May 11, 11:10:47 ET 2007
Table Table 126336 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: comingfrombehind ( $257.10 USD )
Seat 2: Lanfear1 ( $200 USD )
Seat 6: HERO ( $229.05 USD )
Seat 7: ihero ( $401.50 USD )
Seat 8: three_minute ( $163.75 USD )
Seat 9: MusHansen ( $142.90 USD )
Seat 10: EricRedBeard ( $205.60 USD )
Seat 4: patpoker76 ( $94 USD )
Seat 3: Luiz0 ( $40 USD )
ihero posts small blind [$1 USD].
three_minute posts big blind [$2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 7s 8d Ac Tc ]
MusHansen folds
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
EricRedBeard folds
Lanfear1 folds
patpoker76 folds
lololo399 has joined the table.
HERO raises [$7 USD]
ihero folds
three_minute calls [$5 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 4c, Th ]
three_minute checks
HERO bets [$14.25 USD]
three_minute calls [$14.25 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
three_minute bets [$38 USD]
HERO raises [$155.35 USD]
three_minute is all-In [$104.50 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
HERO shows [ 7s, 8d, Ac, Tc ]two pairs, Aces and Tens.
three_minute shows [ 3c, 9c, 5d, Ts ]a straight Ace to Five.
HERO wins $12.85 USD from side pot #1 with two pairs, Aces and Tens.
three_minute wins $325.50 USD from the main pot with a straight, Ace to Five.
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.

ok ive read up on omaha so ive a better idea of whats going on now.

Hand 5 you have Top 2pair, and you flat call. Isnt your play way way too nitty. raising must be standard.

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

ok ive read up on omaha so ive a better idea of whats going on now.

Hand 5 you have Top 2pair, and you flat call. Isnt your play way way too nitty. raising must be standard.

That's an argument that could be made. I've already touched on my thought process for calling. I thought that raising on the flop was not going to make them fold. Now, you could say that's still a good thing cos you get your money in with the best hand. But OOP (I think this is key to the hand) with 2 potential draws and the off-chance that someone has a set means I wouldn't have huge equity on the flop, and certainly not enough to justify playing a large pot OOP. The problem is I face huge odds OOP lets say one player calls and the turn is a Jh. Well I'm in deep shit cos I've got too much money behind and I can't tell whether villain has a straight draw or the flush draw. I probably have to just put it all in on the turn and pray... and that's bad because villain calls with hands that have me crushed or only slightly ahead and folds a bare missed draw.

What's your argument for raising? And how do you play if a Jh hits the turn. Or a 7c? If my play seems nitty, it's because of my posiiton and the stack sizes on the flop.

Could you discuss Implied Odds as it relates to Omaha. I feel I have less implied odds in Omaha due to the fact that opponents will just not stack off when scare cards hit.

Because of this I have a greater tendency to be more aggressive with my draws b/c I feel like
1. I will not get paid off if I complete my hand making calling a pot sized bet getting 2:1 incorrect
2. I create the greatest chance for fold equity against other draws as well as against 2pr/bottom set type hands.

Lastly, could you explain value betting when the scared card comes completing your (most of the time obvious) draw.

larry = super aggro donk villain

Look at the hand he raised with! Put it all in on the flop with the best hand. Of course larry wins... geez

***** Hand History for Game 5960841402 *****
$200 USD PL Omaha Hi-Lo - Saturday, May 12, 03:48:03 ET 2007
Table Table 125381 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 3: Laila___ ( $199.85 USD )
Seat 5: pembo222 ( $162.50 USD )
Seat 6: LARRYVANDUHH ( $311.42 USD )
Seat 2: AkiNak ( $316.45 USD )
Seat 1: lesanne333 ( $164.50 USD )
Seat 7: HERO ( $214.35 USD )
Seat 4: kjellparty ( $27.84 USD )
LARRYVANDUHH posts small blind [$1 USD].
HERO posts big blind [$2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 5h 4s As 9s ]
lesanne333 folds
AkiNak folds
Laila___ calls [$2 USD]
kjellparty calls [$2 USD]
pembo222 folds
LARRYVANDUHH raises [$9 USD]
HERO calls [$8 USD]
Laila___ calls [$8 USD]
kjellparty calls [$8 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 2s, 3s ]
LARRYVANDUHH bets [$38 USD]
HERO raises [$152 USD]
Laila___ folds
kjellparty is all-In [$17.84 USD]
LARRYVANDUHH raises [$228 USD]
HERO is all-In [$52.35 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9h ]
LARRYVANDUHH shows [ Js, Qs, 4h, 5d ]a pair of Jacks.
HERO doesn't show [ 5h, 4s, As, 9s ]a pair of Nines.
kjellparty shows [ 6h, 2h, 7h, 2c ]three of a kind, Twos.
LARRYVANDUHH wins $61.65 USD from side pot #2 with a pair of Jacks.
LARRYVANDUHH wins $373.02 USD from side pot #1 with a pair of Jacks.
kjellparty wins $90.52 USD from the main pot with three of a kind, Twos.
There was no qualifying low hand

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Could you discuss Implied Odds as it relates to Omaha. I feel I have less implied odds in Omaha due to the fact that opponents will just not stack off when scare cards hit.

Because of this I have a greater tendency to be more aggressive with my draws b/c I feel like
1. I will not get paid off if I complete my hand making calling a pot sized bet getting 2:1 incorrect
2. I create the greatest chance for fold equity against other draws as well as against 2pr/bottom set type hands.

Lastly, could you explain value betting when the scared card comes completing your (most of the time obvious) draw.

That's a hard question to answer. I'll make some preliminary musings, and think about it some more during dinner

1. A good time to call is in a multiway pot where you have the draw to the nuts. NFD facing a flop bet of about 6-10 BBs and there's another 2 callers between you and the bettor. Perfect time to flat call. You don't want to raise and eliminate worse draws.

2. In fact, flat calling the flop with an 8 or 9 out draw is never that bad.

3. You need to make a read. If you're playing against someone who can make folds you bet and raise your draws. If you're playing against someone who just won't fold, call and you'll get implied odds.

4. A good spot to call is if you have a nice draw, lets say a 13 out straight draw and the pot on the turn is $100, and you both have $150 behind. When villain pots it for $100 to you, there's no point raising. Because you know he can't get away from the last $50 if you hit your straight, but you can lay down your no-pair if he bets the last $50 on a safe river.

5. Generally, OOP dictates betting and last to act dictates calling. If you go check-call check-call bet when the scare hits on the river, you're not getting paid off. But it's significantly more difficult for your opponent to fold if he's checked to you and you make a half pot bet. If he consistently folds, then you're going to make a lot of value off him every time you half pot a scare card that doesn't make your hand. Whereas if you've been betting with a NFD and your opponent is chasing with a Q or K high or a straight draw and you hit the river and pot it again, you'll get paid.

6. If there's any non-negligible chance you're winning right now, you have to be betting and raising. AA+NFD is one of these spots.

7. If you need to eliminate opponents, bet and raise - e.g. 789T with a 9-high flush draw on a A96 board is an ideal time for this. Because the ace is out there, the most likely draw that actually beats you is not available. So stuff like Q/J/T-high flush draws are more likely to fold to your show of strength and you clear your outs. But if it's heads up you can call a PSB because your opponent won't be sure what draw you've got and will have to pay you off a bit.

8. The more possible draws there are, the more implied odds. That's just what Sklansky says in NLHP and it applies to Omaha too.

9. When in doubt, play your draws aggressively. I don't know if it applies at your stakes, but if you want to play your made hands fast (as you almost always do), then you need to balance.

10. Heads up against a competent opponent if you don't think raising is a viable option in the circumstances with a NFD and nothing else, and you're facing a large potsize bet with no other draws on the board, you'll want to fold.

Here's a hand I've just played that kinda illustrates what I'm talking about. What are the factors that influence whether I call and try to hit, or play it fast?

I'm OOP = play it fast
Possibility of having the best hand = play fast
Need to eliminate opponents with 2 low spades = play fast
Possibility of calling and encouraging multiway action = play slow, but this applies less to straights, because there's less scope for them to make a second best hand. Argument would apply better with a NFD.

The factors favour playing fast. When it gets checked around and the guy on the button bets, I'm suddenly feeling even better about my hand. So I take the lead here

***** Hand History for Game 5961334153 *****
$400 USD PL Omaha - Saturday, May 12, 08:36:44 ET 2007
Table Table 125432 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: Any_97 ( $276.48 USD )
Seat 3: redbull344 ( $419.20 USD )
Seat 4: xhouseofpain ( $64 USD )
Seat 5: skint_101 ( $326.90 USD )
Seat 7: Zerberus666 ( $354 USD )
Seat 9: SMEGVIP ( $456.20 USD )
Seat 10: braquemator ( $218 USD )
Seat 6: HERO ( $232.60 USD )
Seat 1: Hailbopp ( $196 USD )
HERO posts small blind [$2 USD].
Zerberus666 posts big blind [$4 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Qc Qh Kc Jd ]
SMEGVIP calls [$4 USD]
braquemator calls [$4 USD]
Hailbopp calls [$4 USD]
Any_97 folds
redbull344 folds
xhouseofpain folds
skint_101 calls [$4 USD]
HERO calls [$2 USD]
Zerberus666 checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, 3s, Td ]
HERO checks
Zerberus666 checks
SMEGVIP checks
braquemator checks
Hailbopp bets [$22.80 USD]
>You have options at Table 125381 (No DP) Table!.
skint_101 folds
HERO raises [$91.20 USD]
Zerberus666 folds
>You have options at Table 128153 (No DP) Table!.
SMEGVIP folds
braquemator folds
Hailbopp calls [$68.40 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
HERO is all-In [$137.40 USD]
Hailbopp folds
HERO does not show cards.
HERO wins $340.80 USD

HAND 1)

Here’s another drawing hand fresh out of the oven.

The previous hand I raised to 3BB pre flop on the button with 99TTss, and hit a KT7 flop with 2 hearts. Checked to me, and I felt I had to pot it, so I did, and they all folded. So this hand I thought I’d make the same 3BB raise. This is my standard raise and I’ll make it with all hands including AAXX (unless the stack sizes and pot sizes are conducive to me getting 40% of my stack in with a PSB pre flop, in which case I don’t mind flipping half my hand over). Checked to me, and I’ve got a NFD + overpair. FD + overpair is a good hand it plays best if the flush draw is the the nuts and especially if it’s a raised pot preflop and there aren’t that many other viable threats. As is the case on this board. As I’m expected to bet, I do. The perfect scenario occurs; 2 calls, I hit the nuts, villain goes all in, and villain2 calls… well rule #1 in Omaha is “DON’T GET GREEDY: IF IT’S A BIG POT TAKE IT DOWN” (after all, you might just get called anyway). So I raise the pot, and villain2 folds to leave villain1 drawing dead.

***** Hand History for Game 5961465648 *****
$200 USD PL Omaha - Saturday, May 12, 09:32:15 ET 2007
Table Table 125419 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: qaratapa ( $194.50 USD )
Seat 2: tally666 ( $74 USD )
Seat 3: GNL39 ( $208.05 USD )
Seat 4: poppos ( $231.50 USD )
Seat 6: redzebra ( $79.85 USD )
Seat 8: PANDORA_14 ( $355.55 USD )
Seat 9: COMANDANTE4 ( $37.42 USD )
Seat 10: redbull344 ( $202.85 USD )
Seat 5: HERO ( $212.75 USD )
Seat 7: jamesblond ( $63.20 USD )
jamesblond posts small blind [$1 USD].
PANDORA_14 posts big blind [$2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Ks As Kd Jc ]
COMANDANTE4 folds
redbull344 calls [$2 USD]
qaratapa folds
tally666 folds
GNL39 folds
poppos folds
HERO raises [$6 USD]
redzebra calls [$6 USD]
jamesblond calls [$5 USD]
PANDORA_14 calls [$4 USD]
redbull344 calls [$4 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 7d, 4s ]
jamesblond checks
PANDORA_14 checks
redbull344 checks
HERO bets [$28.50 USD]
redzebra folds
jamesblond calls [$28.50 USD]
>You have options at Table 125381 (No DP) Table!.
PANDORA_14 calls [$28.50 USD]
redbull344 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
jamesblond is all-In [$28.70 USD]
PANDORA_14 calls [$28.70 USD]
HERO is all-In [$178.25 USD]
PANDORA_14 folds
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
jamesblond shows [ 6s, Ts, 6d, 8s ]a flush, Jack high.
HERO shows [ Ks, As, Kd, Jc ]a flush, Ace high.
HERO wins $149.55 USD from side pot #1 with a flush, Ace high.
HERO wins $198.60 USD from the main pot with a flush, Ace high.


HAND 2)

Another drawing hand.

Just 2 hands later on the same table. A flush draw here with a shitload of outs. I decide to just draw because I think I have implied odds because there’s so many draws on the board they might just pay me off especially if I hit the straight. I want to keep in other worse draws than mine, and I don’t have to knock out straight draws because I have them. Alas, my plan fails when villain just sticks in a big raise and they fold. So I might as well just put the rest in.

***** Hand History for Game 5961473647 *****
$200 USD PL Omaha - Saturday, May 12, 09:35:30 ET 2007
Table Table 125419 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: qaratapa ( $194.50 USD )
Seat 2: tally666 ( $70 USD )
Seat 3: GNL39 ( $204.05 USD )
Seat 4: poppos ( $231.50 USD )
Seat 6: redzebra ( $59.85 USD )
Seat 8: PANDORA_14 ( $292.35 USD )
Seat 9: COMANDANTE4 ( $36.42 USD )
Seat 10: redbull344 ( $218 USD )
Seat 5: HERO ( $348.15 USD )
redbull344 posts small blind [$1 USD].
qaratapa posts big blind [$2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ As 6d 5c 3s ]
tally666 folds
GNL39 folds
poppos calls [$2 USD]
HERO raises [$6 USD]
redzebra calls [$6 USD]
PANDORA_14 folds
COMANDANTE4 folds
redbull344 folds
qaratapa calls [$4 USD]
poppos calls [$4 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, 2d, 4s ]
qaratapa checks
poppos bets [$5 USD]

HERO calls [$5 USD]
redzebra raises [$43.75 USD]
qaratapa folds
>You have options at Table 125509 (No DP) Table!.
poppos folds
HERO raises [$155 USD]
redzebra is all-In [$10.10 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
** Dealing River ** [ Th ]
HERO shows [ As, 6d, 5c, 3s ]a pair of Tens.
redzebra shows [ Ts, 5d, 4d, 4c ]a full house, Tens full of Fours.
HERO wins $106.15 USD from side pot #1 with a pair of Tens.
redzebra wins $134.70 USD from the main pot with a full house, Tens full of Fours.


HAND 3)

This is the hand right after hand 2… having raised 3 of the last 4 hands and continued my aggression on the flop, my image is definitely and unjustifiedly maniac This hand is interesting. I hit one of my best possible flops and make a pot building bet. Don’t really mind 79 calling here. They have 5 outs and face a redraw. Shortie goes all in and I get a call to me, great! Now for the critical decision: call, raise small, or raise pot? In retrospect I think I made the wrong move here.

Villain’s range includes 57xx, non-nut flush draw, set, and 79xx and 2 pair as long shots. Against that range, the only hand I want to drive out is the set. The other hand I want to raise is the 57xx because he’ll call me now but maybe not after the flush hits. But I put shortie on 57xx, so there just aren’t many ways for villain to have that holding. In the light of day, I now think I should have made a raise to $71, giving him irressistable odds. It also leaves about a pot-size bet left to go all-in on the turn. Of course, the pot was already big and putting in the chips with the best hand will never be a great mistake. What do you think – was it worth keeping villain in the hand with a holding this strong?

***** Hand History for Game 5961476790 *****
$200 USD PL Omaha - Saturday, May 12, 09:36:46 ET 2007
Table Table 125419 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: qaratapa ( $188.50 USD )
Seat 2: tally666 ( $70 USD )
Seat 3: GNL39 ( $204.05 USD )
Seat 4: poppos ( $220.50 USD )
Seat 6: redzebra ( $134.70 USD )
Seat 8: PANDORA_14 ( $292.35 USD )
Seat 9: COMANDANTE4 ( $36.42 USD )
Seat 10: redbull344 ( $217 USD )
Seat 5: HERO ( $288.30 USD )
qaratapa posts small blind [$1 USD].
tally666 posts big blind [$2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Ad Tc 7c 5d ]
GNL39 folds
poppos calls [$2 USD]
HERO calls [$2 USD]
redzebra folds
PANDORA_14 folds
COMANDANTE4 calls [$2 USD]
redbull344 raises [$6 USD]
>You have options at Table 125381 (No DP) Table!.
qaratapa folds
tally666 folds
poppos calls [$4 USD]
vikinghs has joined the table.
HERO calls [$4 USD]
>You have options at Table 125381 (No DP) Table!.
COMANDANTE4 calls [$4 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6s, 8d, 4d ]
poppos checks
>You have options at Table 125381 (No DP) Table!.
HERO bets [$10 USD]
COMANDANTE4 is all-In [$30.42 USD]
redbull344 folds
>You have options at Table 125381 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 125509 (No DP) Table!.
poppos calls [$30.42 USD]
HERO raises [$137.33 USD]
>You have options at Table 125381 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 125509 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 125381 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 125381 (No DP) Table!.
poppos did not respond in time
poppos folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kh ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
HERO shows [ Ad, Tc, 7c, 5d ]a straight Four to Eight.
COMANDANTE4 shows [ Js, As, 5s, 7d ]a straight Four to Eight.
HERO wins $116.91 USD from side pot #1 with a straight, Four to Eight.
COMANDANTE4 wins $57.63 USD from the main pot with a straight, Four to Eight.
HERO wins $57.63 USD from the main pot with a straight, Four to Eight.

Originally Posted by salsa4ever

Wow, I got some love! I stopped updating because I didn't think anyone read my operation

I'll be reading, I may reply but it will probably be stupid. Good think I have no shame.

Had to work today... woke up at 8:30AM and didn't get any poker until a short session before dinner and a substantial session at night.

551 hands for +$452.40 today.

Aggregate stands at 20031 hands for $12424.55 + bonuses (400). I'm 80% of the way there! This is taking much longer than I thought it would. There just aren't enough games and I also have too much going on in my life to get 25,000 hands in a month like I hoped. I'm gunning for 30,000 hands before my wisdom teeth operation on 23 May, after which I'll be unfit for poker for a while, followed by exams to study for shortly afterwards, followed by a trip overseas I'm planning.

Someone tell me... study or poker? I know I will pass my exams no matter what I do. Is it worth sacrificing 10000 hands and getting 70s on my exams (even studying, I can't do much better than that in my law course), or just showing up with minimal study and getting about 55?

Today's session was quite swingy, and I think I played quite well. I think I ran about average for the most part. Thought a bit about how I'd play my draws in response to bigspenda's query and I seemed to play my draws well. Got my AAxx beat twice when I was shortstacking and put a heap of my stack in pre-flop. Not much you can do about that (the flop was 50-50 give or take a few percent, which is naturally fine for me getting 2-1 on my money). Took a beat which I posted above where I put it in with NFD+nut low draw and got beat by a fish. On the other hand I did win a 55-45 for a $600 pot which was nice.

Gotta stop being results oriented and just keep playing good, which I basically did. If I put in the hands and keep playing well, the results will look after themselves. I've played enough and made enough money to know that!!

Here's a hand where I got outplayed or just cold decked. One of my last hands of the night, as I decided I was cooling off and tiring so I went to sleep. You be the judge - value bet river? I was fortunate my opponent was an idiot who didn't stick the rest in on the river.

***** Hand History for Game 5961743838 *****
$100 USD PL Omaha Hi-Lo - Saturday, May 12, 11:21:59 ET 2007
Table Table 125509 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 4: EVG83 ( $256.30 USD )
Seat 10: HERO ( $287.41 USD )
Seat 7: Denissuper ( $175.39 USD )
EVG83 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Denissuper posts big blind [$1 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Kc 3h 2s Js ]
kennyfong raises [$3.50 USD]
EVG83 folds.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz has joined the table.
Denissuper calls [$2.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, As, 5d ]
Denissuper checks.
HERO bets [$7.15 USD]
Denissuper calls [$7.15 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jd ]
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
Denissuper checks.
HERO bets [$20.80 USD]
Denissuper calls [$20.80 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 8c ]
Denissuper checks.
HERO bets [$62.40 USD]
Denissuper calls [$62.40 USD]
HERO shows [ Kc, 3h, 2s, Js ]a pair of Jacks.
HERO shows7,5,3,2,A for low.
Denissuper shows [ 2d, Qs, 3c, Qh ]a pair of Queens.
Denissuper shows7,5,3,2,A for low.
Denissuper wins $93.60 USD from the main pot with a pair of Queens.
Denissuper wins Lo ($46.80 USD) from the main pot with 7,5,3,2,A.
HERO wins Lo ($46.80 USD) from the main pot with 7,5,3,2,A.

study vs poker = marginal decision

flip a coin?


I tend to play better when non-poker things go well though, so if it were me I'd study.

Originally Posted by Genitruc

I tend to play better when non-poker things go well though, so if it were me I'd study.

this is a good point, had a tough week in work and it effected my mood. it carried over into poker and i lost alot this week. I think studying would be good for ye

An excellent day today.

I got up to buy live seafood in preparation of mother's day, and went back home and donked off $250 at 200PLO to the sunday fish. I have a poor lifetime record on sundays. I think I get frustrated when I see fish raising shit and their random garbage hits big hands. I need to remember that this isn't holdem and even garbage hands win a large amount of the time.

Settled down and played some PLO8 at full tilt instead. Ground out 75.50 over 333 hands. But it settled me down.

Went to cook the seafood and celebrate mother's day (LOVE U MUM!!!) Had a couple of glasses of excellent wine.

In a much better mood, I was back to party to carve up the fish. And I did well enough to reverse my earlier loss and sign off with the day's total profit standing at $1105.

Operation stats at 20826 hands, 24.46 VPIP for $13535
Another 1962 hands at full tilt for $2.10 + a little rakeback. Am I just running bad or are the games MUCH harder? I think both.

A happy note. I think I've finally managed to take a foothold on 400 PLO now. 2475 hands for +$4899. I'm running good, to be sure. But now I've got my record to sit on, I'll be able to play 400PLO and not be playing with scared money. We all know the hardest part about moving up is that initial confidence hurdle, and I've now overcome it.

Running good.

played 389 hands for $670.78 - but I wasn't playing that well. Played really tired. Didn't get enough sleep last night because I was having an extended session (and actually playing good) and I did like 3 hours of solid dance training. I am falling asleep at the comp right now but posting in these last few days has coincided with a major heater so I'm trying to continue the routine as much as I can.

I took one bad beat at 100 PLO8. I spewed twice with flush draws against strong hands and was saved both times by flushes on the river. Another time I got it in 3 way with some dead money holding about .30 equity and won the pot.

But on my biggest hand for the day I was a big favorite. Raise on the flop is mandatory to chase out 2 pair. Freeroll baby FTW!

21215 hands for 14205.38

The goal is in sight!

***** Hand History for Game 5967036162 *****
$400 USD PL Omaha - Monday, May 14, 08:21:35 ET 2007
Table Table 126660 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: k287ru ( $191.10 USD )
Seat 3: maestro441 ( $1,013.45 USD )
Seat 4: HA_KYKAH ( $437 USD )
Seat 5: grmpf ( $431.70 USD )
Seat 6: sexyladyboy ( $237.60 USD )
Seat 7: R_U_JOE_KING ( $141.80 USD )
Seat 8: Zerberus666 ( $176.81 USD )
Seat 9: Amigo007222 ( $248.20 USD )
Seat 10: Pract ( $400 USD )
Seat 1: HERO ( $241 USD )
HA_KYKAH posts small blind [$2 USD].
grmpf posts big blind [$4 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Kc Ah Th Jd ]
sexyladyboy raises [$14 USD]
R_U_JOE_KING folds.
Zerberus666 folds.
Amigo007222 folds.
Pract calls [$14 USD]
HERO calls [$14 USD]
k287ru folds.
maestro441 folds.
>You have options at Table 126445 (No DP) Table!.
HA_KYKAH folds.
grmpf calls [$10 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, Kd, Qs ]
grmpf checks.
sexyladyboy checks.
Pract bets [$55.10 USD]
>You have options at Table 126445 (No DP) Table!.
HERO raises [$220.40 USD]
grmpf folds.
sexyladyboy folds.
Pract raises [$330.60 USD]
HERO is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7c ]
Pract shows [ As, Jc, 4s, Ts ]high card Ace.
HERO shows [ Kc, Ah, Th, Jd ]a pair of Kings.
Pract wins $158.70 USD from side pot #1 with high card, Ace.
HERO wins $509 USD from the main pot with a pair of Kings.
#Game No : 5967038453

Today was a mixed bag.

Played on party poker and got up $550 and then fell back to -$50. My good decisions kept getting punished. Lost when I put it in with the best hand, and folded hands that I should have only to see that I would have won the hand if I incorrectly called.

That is so exasperating. But here's one hand I really screwed up. On a positive note, the Omaha converter now works! Reading this thread no longer has to be a nightmare!

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with 5 5 7 A
2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button folds, Hero calls, BB (poster) checks.

Flop: 5 T 8 ($16, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, CO bets $15.2, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Turn: 9 ($46.4, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: 8 ($46.4, 2 players)
Hero bets $25, CO raises to $50, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $146.4

Some good hands: missed my freerolling opportunities, but if I keep getting the money in at the right times, I'll be rewarded


******* Hand 1 ********

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0/$
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
: $9.15
UTG: $0.80
UTG+1: $7.15
MP1: $6.55
Hero: $6
MP3: $5.20
CO: $6.20
Button: $9.40
SB: $2
: $

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with 8 9 7 6
3 folds, SB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero (poster) checks.

Flop: 6 8 T ($0, 6 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $80, SB raises to $20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0, SB calls $-20 (pot was $20).

Turn: A ($0, 3 players)


River: J ($0, 3 players)


Results:
Final pot: $0


******* Hand 2 ********

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $105.45
UTG+1: $59
MP1: $96.05
MP2: $51.15
MP3: $22.55
Hero: $156.25
Button: $56.75
SB: $59.65
BB: $21

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with 2 6 A 7
UTG calls, 4 folds, Hero raises to $4.5, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: J 8 5 ($15, 3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $6, Button calls, UTG calls.

Turn: T ($33, 3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $15, Button calls, UTG folds.

River: A ($63, 2 players)
Hero bets $60, Button calls all-in $31.25.
Uncalled bets: $28.75 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $125.5

A bright note though, and it really compensates for the mini-downswing (I don't really think it can be called even that yet) at PartyPoker is that I've gone back to Stars, and I've got my tail up - I always thought the games were tight and difficult but I'm actually obliterating the fish! So, those of you playing @ stars watch out! Especially if you play the Hi-Lo games, which are my specialty

converter messed up on all but the first hand.

Hand 1:

Whats your thinking on the flop for calling. Culd this not be a fold given a ton of cards are horrible and you have a weak full house should it hit.

turn and river lead seems good tho.

other hands even harder to follow

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

converter messed up on all but the first hand.

Hand 1:

Whats your thinking on the flop for calling. Culd this not be a fold given a ton of cards are horrible and you have a weak full house should it hit.

turn and river lead seems good tho.

other hands even harder to follow

flop certainly could be a fold. I'm still thinking about it

I've been talking about drawing and implied odds. Well here's a good illustration, except I'm on the wrong end. This is a NL hi-lo 1/2 game. I sensed the danger and tried to overbet but I couldn't push him off his hand

Poker Stars
No Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $51
UTG+1: $191.85
CO: $141.50
Button: $204.75
SB: $93.30
Hero: $186.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 2 T 9 K
2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: T 8 K ($8, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, CO calls, 2 folds.

Turn: 5 ($24, 2 players)
Hero bets $30, CO calls.

River: 9 ($84, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $50, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $184

Goat, did you mean hard to follow cuz the HH is messed up, or the thinking involved?

Originally Posted by salsa4ever

******* Hand 2 ********

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $105.45
UTG+1: $59
MP1: $96.05
MP2: $51.15
MP3: $22.55
Hero: $156.25
Button: $56.75
SB: $59.65
BB: $21

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with 2 6 A 7
UTG calls, 4 folds, Hero raises to $4.5, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: J 8 5 ($15, 3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $6, Button calls, UTG calls.

Turn: T ($33, 3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $15, Button calls, UTG folds.

River: A ($63, 2 players)
Hero bets $60, Button calls all-in $31.25.
Uncalled bets: $28.75 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $125.5

This hand, raise pre to buy the button, deception. The hand is pretty bad so we can easily get away from bad flops. I believe raising (or calling a raise) pre in Omaha is a small mistake at worst. You have to bet that flop to chase out sets/2pair, same with turn, bet size is because of shorty.

River I'm not sure. Either Salsa had a read that button likely had a set (I've done this at 25NL, which may be different). Or the pot is relatively too big to fold so betting is better than calling.

Some of my thoughts are pretty standard poker stuff, if I'm wrong I would like to know.

they didnt convert earlier. salsa has fixed em since

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

they didnt convert earlier. salsa has fixed em since

rodger, cuz one is still messed up

It seemed kinda simple, but I need practice thinking through hands anyway.

The last few days have been mad swings. I'd make like five or six hundred and give it back and repeat the cycle. And over the course of it i've lost a few hundo. Not a big deal, but I'm going to take a break. I've got myself into a mindset where I feel as though I'm entitled to win every time I sit down to play, which is obviously very dangerous

My wisdom teeth extraction is the coming wednesday. I'm also going to be quite busy with dance training and study. My exams are coming up in early June. So I'm taking a break for probably a few weeks.

I did manage to complete the operation and my complete results are:

Partypoker: +$13738.28 over 22500 hands. $330 bonuses

Full Tilt: -$268.50 over 2500 hands. $120 rakeback

Total result is 25000 hands for $13920 including rakeback.

My next operation is likely to be 20,000 hands in a month. I've come to realize that is about what I can expect, given my schedule, the lack of game selection at certain times of the day, and my inability to play more than 4 or 5 tables at most.

In the meantime, if you have questions about omaha or HHs you want me to comment on, post in the thread!

Thanks for reading, and good luck!

great thread keep it up

GL with finals

OMG its been then days and no ACTION in this thread.

OMG its been 10 days and no ACTION in this thread.

Well, it's been 2 months.

I thought this thread would just die because as you know, I've had my wisdom teeth pulled. I thought I'd be in pain and out of it for a week and have to study for exams. As it is, I was back to poker on last Friday after the Wednesday operation and didn't want to study. Besides, I couldn't help playing some Omaha. I'm addicted to the action.

I've decided I'm only going to count my PartyPoker results in this operation from now on. I've lost a little bit @ full tilt & stars (I'm confident I could beat the game, but i hadn't adjusted from the wilder Party games I'd been used to) but it's offset by the bonus money I've earnt @ all three sites.

So my results is now:

28530 hands, $15999 profit, and 10.08 ptBB/100
24% VPIP and 5% PFR.

Tell me how your stats compare!

Yesterday I dropped over 1k, including $900+ on the last 80 or so hands. Ouch. They say losing sucks more than winning is goot. I tend to agree; I don't think I have a natural gambler's disposition it's really something I have to work at. But my goal over the next batch of hands is not to quit right away when I start losing and really try to keep myself in a calm emotional state. I'm not really tilt prone as it is, and I need to stop being scared whenever I lose a couple of buyins. I've proved to myself I can play and win at the levels I play, so now I JUST GOT TO DO IT.

Today I'll be taking a 1-day rest from poker. Probably a good thing. I need to practice dancing for a few hours, and run some errands. Teach piano. And work out too; I've dropped a few kilos (I'm already like pretty slim I'm probably only 55 kg now) because I haven't been able to eat my normal diet lately. Don't know why my metabolism is that fast either. Besides I need to get my body conditioned for the upcoming overseas travel I intend to do. At night, a birthday to attend. But Saturday morning I'll be back to it and hoping to make a bright start to June.

I'll post hands when I have more time. But at the moment I'd rather just play. Nobody comments on my hands anyway. To the few who actually do, thanks!

gogogo

I'll start commenting on your hands, although it will likely be better for me than you

I'd post my PT stats but I have vowed to play 20k hands (a months worth) of hands at PLO without Poker Tracker or PAHUD. I really want to learn this game and the reads that are necesary. As it is I've leveled off from my hot start and now am running a little better than breakeven. I still make poor calldowns with non-nut hands and am getting stacked quite often with bottom set and 2pr type hands.

My PFR is very low and I'll tell you why. At $25 or $50PL players will play so many poor PF hands that turn into second-best hands very easily. I feel by raising PF I discourage them to play these hands and I lose a larger edge that they give me by playing these poorer hands.

I never raise Aces PF unless they're both suited and Im on/near the button. I tend to minraise 9TJQ hands and double pairs.

Here's a question for you. Let's say it's $25PLO. You're in the SB with KsKc4h2d. The CO who is a loose opener opens full pot and the button calls. Is this a call or fold type spot? What about with AsAc4h2d? Is it just a call here? I hate asking about PF situations but I think Im playing too loose OOP.

I don't have PT for Omaha. If I get my BR back to $1k through Omaha I'll probably buy it then.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

I still make poor calldowns with non-nut hands and am getting stacked quite often with bottom set and 2pr type hands.

I make poor calldowns. I'm splitting time between a sportsbook and PokerStars which is a little confusing. The sportsbook people only bet with the near nuts so it's easy to get away. PokerStars I was making a killing by bluffing because I was HU a lot and they were holdem donks. That was a small sample though.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

I never raise Aces PF unless they're both suited and Im on/near the button. I tend to minraise 9TJQ hands and double pairs.

AAxx I'll limp/3bet pre if I can get over 1/3 of my stack in. I know it flips my hand face-up, but I'm pretty sure it's still +eV. On my sportsbook I did this yesterday and got called by KKxx and QQxx .

Value raising AAxx is very bad from my experience

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Here's a question for you. Let's say it's $25PLO. You're in the SB with KsKc4h2d. The CO who is a loose opener opens full pot and the button calls. Is this a call or fold type spot? What about with AsAc4h2d? Is it just a call here? I hate asking about PF situations but I think Im playing too loose OOP.

I probably call KK for set value (which may be bad). AA I raise if either of them is short, assuming full stacks I would also call for set value.

I hate the limp/3bet with Aces. Why would I want my opponent to know 2 of my cards. They may not be paying attention at $25PLO but they will be at higher stakes.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

I hate the limp/3bet with Aces. Why would I want my opponent to know 2 of my cards. They may not be paying attention at $25PLO but they will be at higher stakes.

Even if you're left with less than pot on the flop?

This may only be applicable at 25PL. We're not raising from EP, someone raises pot after 4 limpers and gets 2 callers is there any other option besides 3betting?

Aren’t I an ungrateful bastard!? I ask for some life in my thread, get responses, and ignore them all. LOL. I do have an explanation. Between actually playing poker, and practicing dancing, teaching piano, studying for exams, doing accounting (my part time job), I just have hardly any time left to post. And I like to make my posts substantial, not just “I played x hands today and won/lost $y”.

A week is such a long time in poker. The key is to not get too down on yourself after a bad week, and not to get ahead of yourself after a good week. Keep evaluating, keep analyzing your play, keep playing hands and playing them well. That’s all one can do, and if you can do it consistently, you’ll make money.

Last time I was fresh from a -$1300 downswing. Took a day off, and went another -$500 quickly. Did a fair amount of soul searching, and then I came up with the idea of re-installing Bodog. That place brings back fond memories for me; it was my permanent poker home for a whole year from the start of Dec 05 to the end of Nov 06, making a large amount of money. The ‘end game’ of course coincided with the US Neteller catastrophe and the removal of the bottomless bonus. I redeposited when they offered the once of 20% bonus, played some NL holdem, but either my skills had deteriorated or the games had improved out of sight. I suspect both, but from reading how so many FTRers are struggling desperately in the barren wasteland of Holdem (biondino, Anosmic, Miffed, et al.) I’d say for sure the games are heaps tougher. I tried my hand at Omaha, but I was still a fish back then (in January) so I lost some more money and then withdrew the lot, less the bonus, thinking they’d take away my bonus like usual. I uninstalled Bodog. Now, 4 days ago, I thought my Omaha skill had improved and I’d give Bodog another crack. I was losing money at Party and Full Tilt anyway and needed to try something new. And I logged in and saw there was $1600 still in my account! Ever found a stash of money you never thought you had? Like reach into your pocket and OMG there’s $50!? Well I was like “SWEET! $1600 SHIP IT!”

Anyways, I’ve been focusing a lot more on PLO8 in the last week. It’s a game I like a lot more, and where I’m heaps more successful. I run 9.4BB/100 in Omaha High, but I’m 12.3BB/100 in Hi-Lo with less variance. Only problem is there’s a dearth of games. From about 10:00 to 15:00 Melbourne time, I can usually get 3 games at stakes 100, 200 or 400 max on Bodog, and if I’m lucky there might be a game running at Party to make 4 games. But during my night times, basically there’s only PLO games on Party. I can choose 2 or 3 tables of 400 max, and 2 or 3 tables of 200 max and exercise a little table selection to narrow it down to 4 tables.

So over 4 days I’ve made $1,000 on Bodog. Interestingly, at a guess I think I’ve made most of it on 100-max and 200-max, and breaking about even on 400-max. I remember a post in the Beginners Section asking whether which of 0.5-1 to 1-2 to 2-4 was a bigger jump, and I emphatically said 1-2 to 2-4 was a big difference. It still holds true. Now I’ve been a bit unlucky on the 400-max, but there’s basically only ever 10 players, and the skill level is noticeably higher.

This morning, I played with the biggest live one EVER. He would raise basically every hand pre flop, pot every flop, and if you reraised him he just went all in. He’d constantly lose his buy in, re-buy, suckout to get to 3x or 4x buyin, lose it all, re-buy, etc. It was incredible. I sat on his right, hit hands, let him bet, caught some dead money in between, and shoved the chips in. He even went to the 200-max tables after dropping god knows how much on the 100-max, but he only had one more buy-in to lose and I couldn’t get any of it. Made $200 in about 2.5 hours, but honestly I ran quite poor. I lost 3 significant hands as the favorite going all-in, and played extremely well. Still, I can’t complain over finding $1,600 from nowhere and running it up to $2,600 now. Made $400 playing whatever PLO8 games I could find on Party.

Last night I went back to playing PLO (high). I’ve finally worked up enough confidence to play full stack 400-max, and feel comfortable with the money being thrown around, and have the confidence that I can beat the game. Took quite a lot of hands short-stacking and slowly building it up, but I’m a completely different player to the one splashing around the 400PLO in March and getting killed. I’ve finally arrested my downswing, and now I’m on the heater again.

So, since the last update I have:

2089 hands at Party for +$2455
xxxx hands at Bodog for +$1014 (no PT compatibility for Omaha yet)
found money I didn’t know existed for +$1600

Life is good once more.

So you think the FT and PS games are too tough?

I just split my roll on both and only got about 50 hands in at $50PLO last night while I was bored (+$65 so not bad lol). I have been reading up on the FT games and they sound tougher and they have an air of collusion around them. Just wondering you thoughts. How are Bodog's PLO games at the lower stakes? I remember that bottomless bonus, it was sweet as was the fact that it was immediately released into your account.

Anyways, nice job on finding the money. You found the equivalent of my roll.

I promised some hands, so here we go...



******* Hand 1 ********

This is the first of a 3 hands against the same villain. UTG+1 is a maniacal player who is 90% VPIP but is somehow substantially ahead over a 1000 hand+ sample. That just shows how variance-laden the game really is. On this flop, I felt my middle set was good because I had a blocker to the top set. When MP1 pot the turn I was not surprised. MP1 is an over-aggro player who wants to win every pot he enters. His VPIP is only 25, yet he is a long-term losing player, and losing a lot. I'd describe him as a typical holdem player. He's our key villain in this session. I call here because even if he has QK I have odds as long as he has no hearts. If UTG+1 has the nut hearts draw I still get odds to draw to my 10 outs if he calls too. I'm only in trouble if UTG+1 fails and villain has both QK AND the better hearts draw. Add the fact that villain does not have QK a substantial amount of the time, I decided to call.

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $392
UTG+1: $1192.15
MP1: $1157.76
MP2: $329.50
salsa4ever: $400
CO: $576.65
Button: $565
SB: $240.60
BB: $395.10

Pre-flop: (9 players) salsa4ever is MP3 with 9 T 6 9
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2, folds, salsa4ever (poster) checks, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB (poster) checks.

Flop: 9 T 3 ($22, 5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $20.9, MP1 calls, salsa4ever raises to $104.5, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: K ($335.5, 3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $332.5, salsa4ever calls all-in $291.5, UTG+1 folds.
Uncalled bets: $41 returned to MP1.

River: A ($918.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $918.5)


Results:
Final pot: $918.5



******* Hand 2 ********

Same villain. Could potentially have bet the river smaller to induce a bluff raise. But I thought if he was going to call a PSB on the turn, he'd call a reasonable bet on the river with any reasonable holding. I'm not sure what he might have had on the turn here. I was pretty confident he did not have the nut straight after he called the turn and checked to me.

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $348.55
UTG+1: $78
salsa4ever: $1156.35
MP2: $400
MP3: $382
CO: $156.50
Button: $354
SB: $417.20
BB: $762.16

Pre-flop: (9 players) salsa4ever is MP1 with 9 9 Q Q
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, salsa4ever calls, 4 folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: J 2 Q ($16, 4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $15.2, UTG folds, salsa4ever raises to $60.8, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: 8 ($137.6, 2 players)
BB checks, salsa4ever bets $134.6, BB calls.

River: 4 ($406.8, 2 players)
BB checks, salsa4ever bets $120, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $120 returned to salsa4ever.

Results:
Final pot: $406.8



******* Hand 3 ********

The same villain bets out on the flop. This hand was possibly misplayed, so I'll leave the comments brief and let you decide.

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $230.60
UTG+1: $385.10
UTG+2: $396.60
MP1: $1084.85
MP2: $771.06
MP3: $315.50
CO: $88
salsa4ever: $903.50
SB: $598.65
BB: $636

Pre-flop: (10 players) salsa4ever is Button with K A T 7
3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, salsa4ever calls, SB calls, BB raises to $24, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, salsa4ever calls, SB calls.

Flop: K 4 K ($100, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets $97, salsa4ever calls, 2 folds.

Turn: J ($294, 2 players)
MP2 checks, salsa4ever bets $291, MP2 folds.
Uncalled bets: $291 returned to salsa4ever.

Results:
Final pot: $294

hand 1 - the action doesn't seem to match your description

1st hand should read "QJ" where I say "QK"

The first time I looked at hand 3 I didn't notice you had TK, so I thought you were debating the value of your kicker.

Without reads, I would raise the flop. If we're being aggressive shouldn't we also be aggressive with a made hand with outs. Unless he's free-rolling a K with the nut flush draw we're ok.

This may be biased on the action, I could see calling the flop, hoping for overcalls, or a c/r from the other K. Also, if this is the aggressive opponent and you think he'll fire again on the turn then I think you played it well.

Q: Do you strive to win lots of small pots, or a couple big pots? Is this even a relevent question?

Originally Posted by swiggidy

Q: Do you strive to win lots of small pots, or a couple big pots? Is this even a relevent question?

i was gonna save the question for my next update and give you a hand example, but i haven't had the time to play. I had an exam last wednesday and another one tomorrow.

As you suspected, it's not a relevant question. There's no point "striving" for anything, cos the cards and your opponents aren't just gonna let you do what you want.

At every decision, you need to ask yourself, "am I more interested in what's in the pot right now, or do I have my eye on the stacks? From a defensive angle, is my priority to protect the pot, or to protect my stack?" Pre-flop, you're usually always going to be going after the stacks.

If you raise and get a few calls and BB reraises with a pretty obvious AA and you call and get a 3rd caller, and the BB half pots it on a 2-flush board while have a set, then you just go for the pot in the middle. If the BB did not reraise and half pots the flop, the right play may be to min-raise him with your set in position, going after the stacks.

Lets say it was a 3-flush board and you have the fake flush (fake flush = A of the flush suit with no other card of the suit in your hand), you might pot it to go after the pot as a semi-bluff. But you wouldn't do it if it was just limped around to the BB, because you don't stand to gain very much. You'd wanna just call and see if you can hit a full house and get paid off, OR raise the turn with your fake flush when your oppo bets again because NOW there's something in the pot worth contesting.

Another spot is an obvious AA reraises pre flop and pots into your T987 on a T72 board, rainbow. If the stacks are deep, it's often correct to min-raise or even flat call. the only bad cards are the 2 aces and the 3 2s, and it's worth the risk. But if he's put half his stack in the pot already, by all means drop the hammer.

So it all depends on the circumstances, but it will be dictated by the stack sizes and pot sizes and position. But generally, Omaha is a game of stacks, and at every decision, I'm always thinking about how I can get the stacks - this is tempered where the risk of losing the current pot, outweighs the potential to gain from the stacks.

Thanks a lot for writing this out salsa. Great post.

this could be my last post for a while. Or maybe my next to last one depending on whether I have the time to play and post within the next few days.

I leave for BKK Thailand in a week's time. 3 nights there, and then I spend 6 nights in Pattaya. Down to Singapore to see a girl I miss very much, then up to Redang Island, Malaysia to actually do some relaxing (lets face it, especially where I've chosen to stay I ain't gonna be getting a lot of sleeping done in the land of smiles). Back down to singapore for a week and a half, and maybe a couple of days in KL, Malaysia thrown in.

I'm so excited, I just can't hide it! I love travelling, and this particular part of the world is one of my favourites. One drawback though - start of monsoon season. Means the accomodation is nice and cheap and the prices of everything becomes more negotiable. But staying in good health is an issue. Had 2 injections done today. Fluvax (anti-influenza immunization) and Typhoid. In a few days I'm getting boosters on my tetanus and HepB; I still have a little resistance left, but not enough. Besides I'm doing more travelling at the end of the year so I might as well just get it done now and enjoy the protection for one more trip!

If I sound paranoid, it's 'cos last time I went to Indonesia to do earthquake relief. As it was an emergency operation, there was no pre-planning and no time to take my typhoid shots and anti-malarial medication. I saved a few dozen people, but got struck down by malaria in my third week. Malaria sucks. It really does. I'm fully medicated this time and I've bought new extra strong insect repellent.

The month of June has been a little bit swingy. Didn't get as many hands in as I would have liked.

But the good news is I've established myself on 2 new sites. I've finally managed to beat FTP for a large amount. Now I have my confidence up, I should be fine there. I'm also back on Bodog. I worked the bonus money I "found" up to $3200 now.

I've even had moderate success on Stars. Although I refuse to play there now. I don't know if it's rigged, but if any site was rigged, then it's Stars. Not tournaments though. I don't feel a need to make a big fuss about it; I just don't play on Stars. Plenty of other sites to choose from.

My results so far:

5.4K hands on Party for +$3.3K
7.8K hands on FTP for +$2.6K
Unknown # of hands on Bodog for +$1.6K
Very few hands on Pokerstars +$0.5K

So that's 8K for the month, which exceeds my informal goal of $6000 a month. It's only slightly fewer hands than I've been playing up to this point during my last 2 months. And I had to study for exams for quite a few days which hindered my flow. I've managed to surpass this benchmark significantly during the last 3 months. So I'm very happy.

For hands, see my newest thread on the Omaha forum

Hey man dunno if there s room for this crap or what but here's a hand I played 2day vs a seemingly str8 forward opponent at plo50 (I'm a noob but I've donked around my fair share at plo).

How weak is this flop play 200bb's deep +?

***** Hand History for Game 6112758277 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Sun Jul 01 15:30:55 EDT 2007
Table Table 127231 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: VitaminJ89 ( $49.50)
Seat 3: HERO ( $115.75)
Seat 4: bravo177 ( $40)
Seat 5: Rabbit31111 ( $19.50)
Seat 6: lottom222 ( $75.55)
Seat 7: JFK_33 ( $28.90)
Seat 8: riksarock ( $35.83)
Seat 9: Eriangela ( $49.50)
Seat 10: Pauly159 ( $110.35)
Eriangela posts small blind (0.25)
Pauly159 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO
VitaminJ89 calls (0.50)
HERO raises (2.25) to 2.25
bravo177 folds.
Rabbit31111 calls (2.25)
lottom222 folds.
JFK_33 calls (2.25)
riksarock calls (2.25)
Eriangela folds.
Pauly159 raises (8.50) to 9
VitaminJ89 folds.
HERO calls (6.75)
Rabbit31111 folds.
JFK_33 calls (6.75)
riksarock calls (6.75)
** Dealing Flop ** :
Pauly159 checks.
HERO checks.
JFK_33 checks.
riksarock bets (9)
Pauly159 raises (23) to 23
HERO folds.
JFK_33 folds.
riksarock folds.

Easy fold Genitruc.

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Easy fold Genitruc.

phew

nl donks like me have a tough time folding sets in rr pots

with no read on villain, I would fold.

If I had 2 clubs, and it was Ac 2c 9d instead, I would felt it against an unknown. Here, you're just too likely to be drawing dead.

OK

this has nothing to do with poker whatsoever... I'm just using this thread as a blog because my real blog stuffed up and the freewebs website is hard as hell to update

Landed in BKK (bangkok thailand) yesterday. Haven't slept for about... shit maybe approaching 60 hours. Maybe something polyphasic or REM sleep or something like that... but right now it's about 10PM in my country and I am SOOOOOO tired. I'm gonna hit the hay like right after this post for about 90 minutes... will need to set my alarm 'cos as the songs write... it's another night in bangkok... and I don't wanna miss a thing...

sorry, that was lame. Watching moulin rouge and music and lyrics on the flight here will do this to you.

if people wanna ask me questions about anything (tourism, or my specialty omaha), please go ahead and I'll answer. It will give me some actual content for my posts.

I've got the sukhumvit nana area down pretty pat from a few hours of exploring on foot. So that means I have approximate 1% of BKK mastered. Such a massive city. Got lost today, too. Which worked out to be a good thing because I asked a girl for directions and she was actually very sweet, and we made friends. Sure was fun trying to actually communicate with a combination of her native thai, my native english and the sum of our poor chinese. So that brings me up to about 3 girls i've met in bangkok who actually knows what an email address (ladyboys not included. they're actually really smart and extremely serviceable command of english)

I'm about to go unconscious right now, so I'm checking out.

Cheers,


salsa4ever

My dear friends,

short post from me. I have a friend waiting in my room. Just checking in and letting you all know I am alive, taking care of myself, staying safe, having a great time,

by my calculations I've owned 6 dance floors and 1 bar in 2 and a half days.

Going to see the kick boxing today. Then hitting another club.

I hope you gave me a shoutout

Originally Posted by swiggidy

I hope you gave me a shoutout

OF COURSE!

apologize in advance if my english is getting worse and worse. I'm getting a bad dose of Thinglish here. I'm getting to know too many locals and beginning speak like one

I'm back in Bangkok thailand!

staying 2 more nights including tonight

I've made friends with a local girl and she's showing me around the local areqas of thailand. One of my uni friends is showing me the nightlife. I'm staying in a YHA dorm because everything else is booked out.

only 300 baht per night which is great...

nice trip from samet back to bangkok today. managed to join up with other tourists for the car ride to save some money. these last two days has been great for my budget. relaxing on the beach... my god thailand is heaps cheaper than singapore. accomodation only $13 AUD for 2 people! nice place too has A/C and friend and in room safe a bungalow by the beach

3 nights ago I pulled an all nighter. Checked out early in the morning, went on a day tour, stuck the luggate in my friends room. Partied all night, and left at about 5:00 AM. 'cos I met a nice girl at a discotheque. stayed the night with her. gotta love free accomodation. I paid her for letting me use her room though; I mean I have no idea whether she was expecting to get paid to sleep (I didn't think so because she was really having a night off). So paying her for the room seemed like a good way to preserve face on all sides - if she wasn't hoping to get paid she wouldn't be offended and if she was then she did. I mean the money is nothing to me anyway. It's about 2 rounds of blinds at my normal table.

at this rate I should not need extra money unless I start going crazy.

Tonight I go out with a local I met when asking directions. she works @ a bar so I offered to pay her bar so she can take the night off (very cheap only $10AUD). we're going to go ice skating and bowling and see musical and salsa dancing. All inexpensive!? why so little time in thailand leh? must stop over here next time i travel.

Next leg of my trip is redang island, off the coast of malaysia. i see cloris! and adeline! miss them much. not as much as i miss mum, but still a bit.

not getting poker withdrawal symptoms yet. must be a good sign. I'm looking to get home and make some money. Thankfully I made so much money in the last few months it could sustain 3 years of spending in Thailand the way I'm going now. I mean I don't exactly stay in posh hotels and I eat nice food but not too expensive food.

until next time... ciao!

I have 6 more minutes at the internet cafe to answer questions in the omaha section. if you wish to send me some love, POST PLEASE! I love getting posts (thanks swiggs)

QUICK REPLY!!

Sounds sweet man, havent been there but a mate has

My friends,

I'm back in Singapore.

Spent the last 4 nights hopping all over the place. The bulk of my stay was on an island resort called Redang Island off the northeastern coast of the malaysian "terengakku" province.

I went on a university group. National university of Singapore. As with most university travelling tours, the actual travelling is quite cumbersome. Anyone who went on uni trips before will know. But as I did not travel with my own uni much, it was a worthwhile experience. I still prefer flying and more direct transfers to and from my locations.

See when I travel it's totally ad hoc. I plan the first 3 days and that's it. I just travelled to the north of malaysia and back to singapore for a few days and then i'll be going back up to KL in malaysia again at the beginning of next week. It's not the stupidest thing in the world because I prefer to spend weekends in singapore because that's when my friends are free and also the nightlife in singapore is clearly superior to malaysia.

Anyway, I'm still here, still alive. A suntan and lots of mosquito bites and some good memories to show for my last few days.

Now comes the eating shopping and drinking leg of my trip.

I'm not overspending. That's good too.