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  1. #1
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  2. #2
    Been playing decently lately, but getting EV smoked. Still don't feel like I'm playing optimally though. Every session I can point to at least $1k of "avoidable" losses.

    I'm calling too many river bets, especially in spots where a street gets checked back.

    here are some examples of spots I'm calling rivers, that I feel are bad.

    Hand 1
    -villain isn't that aggressive, which makes me think its even more polarized to Kx or nothing. Someone more aggro could show up with more pairs here <Kx $5/$10 No Limit Holdem
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($721)
    CO ($270)
    Hero (BTN) ($539)
    SB ($272)
    BB ($194.75)

    Pre-Flop: ($15, 5 players) Hero is BTN
    2 folds, Hero raises to $25, 1 fold, BB calls $15

    Flop: ($55, 2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($55, 2 players)
    BB bets $30, Hero calls $30

    River: ($115, 2 players)
    BB bets $50, Hero calls $50




    Hand 2
    -villain is the mark at the table, mega laggy and pretty aggro
    -not sure about this river call, its potentially close either way, his sizing maybe makes it a fold

    $5/$10 No Limit Holdem
    6 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($971)
    UTG+1 ($500)
    CO ($200)
    Hero (BTN) ($737)
    SB ($500)
    BB ($2,066.50)

    Pre-Flop: ($15, 6 players) Hero is BTN
    3 folds, Hero raises to $25, 1 fold, BB calls $15

    Flop: ($55, 2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($55, 2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    River: ($55, 2 players)
    BB bets $50, Hero calls $50


    Hand 3
    -villain is somewhat taggy, and my line here looks like a missed draw
    -I wasn't even sure if AK/KQ would bet here, if he had those hands, or not. Anything stronger than AK would be 3betting the flop
    -QJ,AJ stuff could play like this. But looking at it now, J9 could as well, and Ilose to that

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    6 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    Hero (UTG) ($439.70)
    UTG+1 ($908.55)
    CO ($774)
    BTN ($872)
    SB ($419.40)
    BB ($406)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 6 players) Hero is UTG
    Hero raises to $10, 3 folds, SB calls $8, 1 fold

    Flop: ($24, 2 players)
    SB bets $16, Hero raises to $44, SB calls $28

    Turn: ($112, 2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks

    River: ($112, 2 players)
    SB bets $34, Hero calls $34



    Need to bring my wtsd down for sure. That's a perma problem though, I call tons in these smallish sized pots. WTSD of almost 31% this month, which is a little ridiculous. won at SD 49.2% which I suppose isn't too bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  3. #3
    Alright, time to start legitimately winning. Like, properly!

    To accomplish this, I'm going to start a bi-weekly post, which I will call "Bad bi-weekly bluffs". I'll try to embarrass myself into not doing the dumb things I do, by posting all the bad/spewy/unnecessary bluffs/hands I play over every two week or so interval.

    I feel as though posting this, and legitimately seeing how much the losses are adding up to will prevent me from doing this stuff.

    I was looking up hands this morning, and I found a bunch of hands for this month so far, which added up to around $4k in avoidable losses. The losses were in about 10 or so hands, so that was about 1000bb's worth of losses in 17k hands so far.

    1000bb's.. in 17k hands. That's a winrate of 5.88bb/100 all on its own! I'm flushing that winrate away out of nothing more than quasi tilt. This is nothing overly new. It causes me to have long streaks of breakeven play, followed by short bursts of big winning (when I actually play solid solid for a month or so).

    Many (a large percentage) of these hands come from sessions where I'm getting EV killed and unlucky. I handle losses fairly well when I'm losing coolers, playing well etc. But when things are out of control, and I lose flips, and get sucked out on 80/20's, these situations seem to tilt me into stupid play much more.

    So things to change: 1) stop playing when I'm legitimately running bad, EV-wise. 2) stop spewing, and try to work this "bad bluffs" win rate (loss-rate) progressively towards <1bb/100. This will be hard, but let's see if its possible!

    Will post the hands when I get home later!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  4. #4
    Alright, here's my sad assortment of "wow.. stop bluffing".. and "wow.. where did your fold button go?" hands.

    Hand 1
    -villains flat pre of the 4bet felt pretty weak, but this is just all sorts of spew and should not happen, flop is easy c/f


    $5/$10 No Limit Holdem
    4 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    Hero (CO) ($668.20)
    BTN ($1,141.40)
    SB ($235.50)
    BB ($200)

    Pre-Flop: ($15, 4 players) Hero is CO
    Hero raises to $30, BTN raises to $80, 2 folds, Hero raises to $230, BTN calls $150

    Flop: ($475, 2 players)
    Hero bets $438.20, BTN calls $438.20

    Turn: ($1,351.40, 2 players)

    River: ($1,351.40, 2 players)

    Final Pot: $1,351.40
    Hero shows

    BTN shows


    BTN wins $1,349.40 (net +$681.20)

    Hero lost $668.20


    Hand 2
    -Villain is huge whale, his timing on flop was very weak to me, and felt like a spot where he'd call down weak and fold the river


    $5/$10 No Limit Holdem
    6 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    Hero (UTG) ($1,235.50)
    UTG+1 ($623)
    CO ($165)
    BTN ($643.15)
    SB ($480.10)
    BB ($332)

    Pre-Flop: ($15, 6 players) Hero is UTG
    Hero raises to $30, 3 folds, SB calls $25, 1 fold

    Flop: ($70, 2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $45, SB calls $45

    Turn: ($160, 2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $90, SB calls $90

    River: ($340, 2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1,030, SB calls $315.10

    Final Pot: $1,685.10
    Hero shows

    SB shows


    SB wins $967.20 (net +$487.10)

    Hero collects $714.90 (net -$480.10)



    Hand 3
    -I shouldn't play HU, I spew too hard

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    2 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    Hero (SB) ($455)
    BB ($1,268.50)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 2 players) Hero is SB
    Hero raises to $14, BB raises to $44, Hero calls $30

    Flop: ($88, 2 players)
    BB bets $48, Hero calls $48

    Turn: ($184, 2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $44, BB calls $44

    River: ($272, 2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $319, BB calls $319

    Final Pot: $910
    Hero shows

    BB shows


    BB wins $909.50 (net +$454.50)

    Hero lost $455

    Hand 4
    -dynamic was that he 4bet me and I knew he was FoS and I flatted his 4bet IP with TT. He had 57, and c/bombs over my flop bet when he checked with a flopped nut straight
    -ever since then, I've been running him over, knowing that he wouldn't 4bet bluff me again. By the same token, if he had a very strong hand, I'd expect him to 4bet given that dynamic


    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($909)
    CO ($400)
    BTN ($472.10)
    Hero (SB) ($400)
    BB ($891.05)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is SB
    1 fold, CO raises to $10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $36, 1 fold, CO calls $26

    Flop: ($76, 2 players)
    Hero bets $54, CO calls $54

    Turn: ($184, 2 players)
    Hero bets $85, CO calls $85

    River: ($354, 2 players)
    Hero bets $225, CO calls $225

    Final Pot: $804
    CO shows

    Hero shows


    CO wins $802 (net +$402)

    Hero lost $400



    Hand 5
    -this is just v bad, and he's never donking this flop and folding


    $5/$10 No Limit Holdem
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($185)
    CO ($148.75)
    BTN ($1,084)
    SB ($815.40)
    Hero (BB) ($500)

    Pre-Flop: ($15, 5 players) Hero is BB
    2 folds, BTN raises to $20, SB calls $15, Hero raises to $80, BTN folds, SB calls $60

    Flop: ($180, 2 players)
    SB bets $40, Hero raises to $140, SB raises to $240, Hero folds

    Final Pot: $560

    SB wins $558 (net +$238)

    Hero lost $220
    BTN lost $20


    Hand 6
    -this is bad, his potential value betting range is too wide

    $3/$6 No Limit Holdem
    6 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($834.25)
    UTG+1 ($463)
    CO ($1,055)
    Hero (BTN) ($600)
    SB ($579)
    BB ($1,390.50)

    Pre-Flop: ($9, 6 players) Hero is BTN
    UTG raises to $18, 2 folds, Hero raises to $54, 2 folds, UTG calls $36

    Flop: ($117, 2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $45, UTG calls $45

    Turn: ($207, 2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero checks

    River: ($207, 2 players)
    UTG bets $115, Hero calls $115

    Final Pot: $437
    Hero shows

    UTG shows


    UTG wins $434 (net +$220)

    Hero lost $214


    Hand 7
    -villain is abig whale, I don't mind this. He was running 45/40 type and calling ALL 3bets OOP. He has a ton of combos of air that get to the river here


    $3/$6 No Limit Holdem
    6 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($343)
    UTG+1 ($119.15)
    CO ($111)
    Hero (BTN) ($597)
    SB ($164.75)
    BB ($455)

    Pre-Flop: ($9, 6 players) Hero is BTN
    UTG raises to $18, 2 folds, Hero raises to $57, 2 folds, UTG calls $39

    Flop: ($123, 2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($123, 2 players)
    UTG bets $65, Hero calls $65

    River: ($253, 2 players)
    UTG bets $176, Hero calls $176

    Final Pot: $605
    UTG shows

    Hero shows


    UTG wins $602 (net +$304)

    Hero lost $298


    Hand 8
    -felt like he had Tx or air here, and that my AK might as well be 89
    -this would maybe be better if 79 didn't get there on turn, in which case 67, 79, J9, QJ all brick

    $1/$2 No Limit Holdem
    6 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($251)
    UTG+1 ($239)
    CO ($200)
    Hero (BTN) ($256.30)
    SB ($200)
    BB ($200)

    Pre-Flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BTN
    2 folds, CO raises to $6, Hero raises to $18, 2 folds, CO calls $12

    Flop: ($39, 2 players)
    CO bets $18, Hero calls $18

    Turn: ($75, 2 players)
    CO bets $42, Hero calls $42

    River: ($159, 2 players)
    CO bets $122, Hero calls $122

    Final Pot: $403
    CO shows

    Hero shows


    CO wins $400 (net +$200)

    Hero lost $200


    Hand 9
    -villain is bad fish, turn bet is value bet, vs his flopped gutters JT/KJ and flush draws. River makes no sense, didn't think he'd lead with anything here

    $1/$2 No Limit Holdem
    6 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($200)
    UTG+1 ($266.75)
    Hero (CO) ($203)
    BTN ($229.90)
    SB ($161.75)
    BB ($200)

    Pre-Flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is CO
    UTG raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero raises to $19, 3 folds, UTG calls $13

    Flop: ($41, 2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $27, UTG calls $27

    Turn: ($95, 2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $22, UTG calls $22

    River: ($139, 2 players)
    UTG bets $132, Hero calls $132

    Final Pot: $403
    UTG shows

    Hero shows


    UTG wins $400 (net +$200)

    Hero lost $200
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  5. #5
    Just played what felt like a pretty crazy/aggro session. Looking back on my stats now, I was only running 22/19 with a 3bet of 11, but it felt like it must have been 15.

    Had a v good reg on my right, who runs like 32/27 calls 50% of 3bets type, on several tables. Was 3betting him like madness, and playing lots of weird hands post. Another reg was also on several of those tables and was cold 4betting me a lot.

    This is the type of hands that were happening:

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    6 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($188.70)
    UTG+1 ($400)
    Hero (CO) ($748.60)
    BTN ($420.60)
    SB ($156)
    BB ($1,861.80)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 6 players) Hero is CO
    UTG calls $4, UTG+1 raises to $12, Hero raises to $40, 3 folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $28

    Flop: ($90, 2 players)
    UTG+1 bets $60, Hero calls $60

    Turn: ($210, 2 players)
    UTG+1 bets $140, Hero goes all-in $648.60, UTG+1 calls $160

    River: ($1,158.60, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $1,158.60
    UTG+1 shows

    Hero shows


    Hero wins $1,155.60 (net +$407.00)

    UTG+1 lost $400
    UTG lost $4


    This hand was vs another reg. 3bets a reasonable amount, would very likely 3bet QQ pre. I was quasi EP, don't expect that many ppl to c/r AQ on the flop and if they do, not sure they triple after. Maybe they do.

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($476.45)
    Hero (CO) ($462.70)
    BTN ($674.10)
    SB ($400)
    BB ($625)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is CO
    1 fold, Hero raises to $12, 1 fold, SB calls $10, 1 fold

    Flop: ($28, 2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $20, SB raises to $68, Hero calls $48

    Turn: ($164, 2 players)
    SB bets $124, Hero calls $124

    River: ($412, 2 players)
    SB bets $196, Hero is this even close or am I nuts?...
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  6. #6
    is this 'very good reg' perhaps... xxgmcrafterxx?
  7. #7
    noo, his name is schme ff (can ppl search their names on this thing? I'll keep the space in his name just in case he can haha)
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks

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