Operation: Get from 10nl to 25nl in less than 100k hands

So this is my second operation the first of which I wasn't very active with. I plan to be more consistent with this one as I chart my journey from 10nl to 25nl. It took me a little over 100k hands to get from 2nl to 10nl so I am hoping the second step will be a little quicker. I suspect it will as I am finding 10nl a more comfortable level and not as frustrating as 2nl and 5nl were.
I have learned a lot since joining FTR but I know I have so so much to learn yet. I want to post more hh's in order to plug some leaks and just get good feedback.
I plan to use good bankroll management and I stole the following chart off of mirco2macro's op, sorry M2M.

1. $2NL........................ $ 50 ----------------- 25 BI's ..........---strarting over
2. $5NL........................ $ 150 --------------- 30 BI's ..........
3. $10NL...................... $ 300 --------------- 30 BI's ..........
4. $25NL...................... $ 875 --------------- 35 BI's
5. $50NL...................... $ 1,750 ------------- 35 BI's
6. $100NL.................... $ 4,000 ------------- 40 BI's
7. $200NL.................... $ 10,000 ----------- 50 BI's
It is going to take a lot of discipline to stick with these guidelines but I believe it will be well worth it. And like everything else once your there it won't really matter.

This is a snap shot of my first week at 10nl the one session on 03/23 was when I tipped my toe in the water to test it prior to being properly rolled. I think that was the poker gawds telling me to sit my dumbass down and keep grinding until I am properly rolled.
I look forward to all your input and comments. Please don't hold back when you see issues as I am sure you will see many issues with this op.

It's refreshing to see someone taking a long-term approach to the game and not saying I'm going to try to go from 2nl to 100nl by the end of the summer. I'll try to check in from time to time. gl.

$ = $102
$Ev = $56

nice

Good luck man! And yea, its gonna take WAAAAY less than 100k hands to get to 25nl. I've played just under 80k hands and I've already played some 25nl, got knocked down, and brought my way back again. Just keep playing the same game, and pwn hard sir! 10nl is actually somewhat easier than 2nl and 5nl imo. I mean, the "regs" play their hands SOOO face up, you can pretty much always play perfectly vs. them.

Ill hit u up on IRC sometime and sweat u or something.

Laterz

Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13

1. $2NL........................ $ 50 ----------------- 25 BI's ..........COMPLETE
2. $5NL........................ $ 150 --------------- 30 BI's ..........COMPLETE
3. $10NL...................... $ 300 --------------- 30 BI's
4. $25NL...................... $ 875 --------------- 35 BI's
5. $50NL...................... $ 1,750 ------------- 35 BI's
6. $100NL.................... $ 4,000 ------------- 40 BI's
7. $200NL.................... $ 10,000 ----------- 50 BI's

Woah this looks familiar haha

I don't mind the copy and paste it's all good, no need to be sorry there. You gotta stamp the ship-it symbol next to each stake that you burn through though

GL with the operation sir!

just a bit of clarification . What level did you move from 5nl to 10nl at? I.e you made 116$ at 10NL since the full time move and OP banner says 312$ which sort of implies you moved at $200.

Only reason I ask is that I'm on the cusp at the moment. my Total Bankroll including all sites is stars $256 williamhill(~170 all freeroll winnings) fulltilt $90 (freerolls again) pitbull $70 plus some odds and sodds about so about 600$. pitbull and fulltilt are non withdrawable at the moment , and william hill is in limbo as they changed to Ipoker recently and its in the sports betting part at the moment, when I swap it back to WH's poker part I get the first depositors bonus on it so I'm currently trying to clear my stars 50$ bonus . So for the time being I'm considering my stars roll in isolation .

I did try a stab at 10NL FR at the start of the month after a 2 week break and a downswing at 5NL , and ended up losing about $ 30 so swapped back to 5NL 6max and been running good and feel confident in my play again. When I move it will be to 6max 10NL but I'm trying to weigh up when I should move. I had been thinking at $250 and move back down at $190.

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

just a bit of clarification . What level did you move from 5nl to 10nl at? I.e you made 116$ at 10NL since the full time move and OP banner says 312$ which sort of implies you moved at $200.

Only reason I ask is that I'm on the cusp at the moment. my Total Bankroll including all sites is stars $256 williamhill(~170 all freeroll winnings) fulltilt $90 (freerolls again) pitbull $70 plus some odds and sodds about so about 600$. pitbull and fulltilt are non withdrawable at the moment , and william hill is in limbo as they changed to Ipoker recently and its in the sports betting part at the moment, when I swap it back to WH's poker part I get the first depositors bonus on it so I'm currently trying to clear my stars 50$ bonus . So for the time being I'm considering my stars roll in isolation .

I did try a stab at 10NL FR at the start of the month after a 2 week break and a downswing at 5NL , and ended up losing about $ 30 so swapped back to 5NL 6max and been running good and feel confident in my play again. When I move it will be to 6max 10NL but I'm trying to weigh up when I should move. I had been thinking at $250 and move back down at $190.

keith_mm you are correct I moved to 10nl right around the $200 mark. I took a shot earlier as you can see and lost a bit but then went back to the 5nl grind. I truely think 10nl is much easier than 2nl & 5nl. Like dranger says the regs are more predictable. I play fr as I haven't had any luck at 6m to speak of other than my worse loosing at 5nl was at 6m.
I think when you hit the $250 mark that would be a good time to make you move upto 10nl. IMO though I think you should make a stronger committment to it and set your stoploss at $150, which still gives you 30 bi's for 5nl if you have to move back down which is more than enough to recover with. Plus on occassion you can always slip back down for a session or two to build the roll up. But for the most part make a committment to your move and you'll be fine.

Yesterday was a decent day for me. I started off my morning session with a small looser of a half of bi. I had lots to do around the property so I went out and did some physical labor for several hours and then sat back down for a short session. I ended that one up 3bi's so all was good. I was overall happy with my play and don't recall any real stupid plays although I am sure there were some. It's just if my mind isn't full of tons of bad plays then I know I am making improvments.

I've had some good conversations with the wife over the last few days about the time I spend on poker. She is an amazing woman and really pretty supportive. I have made her aware of my long term goals as far as poker goes and she is cool with that. I found the secret was to explain to her and get her to understand the principal of bi's. I showed her what my current winrate is and explained that if I was playing at 200nl what this would mean. Now she gets it! She does try and keep me in check when I get carried away and start neglecting my other responsibilities. I only mention this because like anything else if you are married you have to be considerate to the other half. Now I also bribed her by telling her I was confident that I could pay for next years Mexico trip so I added a little preasure.

Last night I was watching a program on MMA and one of the fighters talked about the commitment the make. In that they spend everyday in the gym training. That got me to thinking that I don't spend enough time training. I want to fight everyday but that really isn't really the way any pro's do it. You train train train then you fight. They may only have one fight every month or two but the train every day. Now I don't think I shouldn't be playing every day but I do think if I want to achieve my goals I am foolish to think I can do it without training a lot more than I have. So I am making a commitment to myself to train much more than I have been. I already bought a subscription to GrinderSchool which I upgraded to the full stakes version after a couple weeks. They have so much great information and I haven't even skimmed the surface. I will be spending atleast an equal if not greater amount of time studying/training as I do playing. This time will be made up of watching videos, reading books and post and reviewing hh's as well as trying to participate in good conversation on IRC.

With all that said I am going to jump over to Grinder School and watch a video.

So yesterday was an interesting day. I didn't get to play as much poker as I had hoped. I was just into my morning session when I got a call from my sister informing me my brother had been taken to the hospital and they weren't sure what was wrong with him. So I spent several hours in the hospital with him. Still don't know what is wrong so they kept him over night to observe.

Well when I got home I finally started up another session. Things were going ok as I played and I was up about 1.5bi's. I had IRC open as I played which is standard. Things went pretty bad in IRC which put me on tilt big time. I ended up closing out IRC and continued grinding but my mind was swimming (Cuz I was pretty upset over the situation) and I wasn't making good decisions. So I shut it down and I was down like 3 bi's at this point. Got my head cleared but had pretty much decided I was done playing for the night and planned to watch a program I had on the DVR. Well turns out the program didn't record so I figured what the hell I'll play another session and see if I can recover some of my chips that I had lost in the previous sessions.

I opened up 4 tables and started grinding. Things were just ok won a little lost a little etc. I did have the pleasure of dranger sitting down at one of the tables which is always fun. Dranger got to see me donate a full stack when my KTh found a board with two hearts against two full stacks and they were aggressive. If I remember wright I bet the turn like 2/3 pot and was called by one and raised by the other. Now I figered the implied odds were pretty damn good cuz it looked like if I did hit my flush I was going to get paid off well so I shoved. Well ended up not hitting, to bad for me.

Well at one point I was down anther couple bi's but felt like I was making overall pretty good decisions. I tightened up even more and started opening up tables. I bumped the tables upto 10 stayed tight and things started happening. Got back a couple of the previous bi's I had lost then opend up a couple more tables. Continued to tell myself I can fold and I folded. Won a few more big pots and opened up a few more tables. Each time I opened up a couple more tables I committed to being even tighter. Well it all paid off. I hit quads 4 times and got paid off good with three of them. Numerous sets paid big as did several boats. Overall I ended as follows:



So I was very happen with the day as far as poker goes. Other issues weren't so good cuz of course I am concerned with my brother and his health issues. And I am really upset over the issue that took place on IRC. I am not going to go into it here as far as what happened. Some of you may be aware of the situation and for you who are I then you may or not understand. I have to decide what I am going to do. I enjoy IRC and find it very helpful to my game. I for the most part like those who participate in IRC and I believe I show respect to all. I'm just really torn as to what to do. Not that there are many options other than just not participate in IRC, choosing to ignore the situation which I don't see as a posiblity, or confronting those who I had the issue with. I would like to think the best would be to speak with those who I had the issue with and work things out as I am willing/able to move on but I don't know that they have the maturity to deal with it?

Good work on the session, and your stats look just like mine typically.

Sucks about the IRC situation though. I think the best thing to do would just wait a couple days, go back in there, if they give you shit again, talk to spoon or eupho about it, if they are in there, or later on if they aren't. I HIGHLY doubt that they will put up with the stuff that went on in there last night.

Keep up the grind man, you'll blow by me this summer while I'm workin my ass off!

Didn't have a very good session yesterday. No morning session then worked late and was tired when I finally opened up the puter. Got 1500 hands in and finished down 1bi. Not terribal but not good either. Just made some bad calls etc. I think the main problem was I tried to play to many tables and I wasn't alert enough. I need to stick to my game plan when it comes to number of tables. I typically start out with 4 tables and once that is going well then I add a couple. If I keep the momentum up then I add a few more and so on. Wasn't the case last night. Got bored right away and then just started opening tables.
So overall for the month it has been very sucessful. I'm hoping to get a good session in today and finish it up strong. I'll try and do a month review soon and post it up.

Well here's a snap shot of my month. I was really surprised to find that I played everyday except for the 7th. Most were one or two hour sessions although a couple times it was just a real short session. Overall I am happy with my progress and hope to coninue.





I had really hoped to be able to play last night and finish the graph on a more upward tip but ended up working till almost midnight.

Good luck to all in the month of May!

Nice graph Harley. Keep up the good work.

woah sick graph man

I demand updates sir!

U CAN DO THIS!

Originally Posted by dranger7070

I demand updates sir!

+1!

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Originally Posted by dranger7070

I demand updates sir!

+1!

gogogogogogogo GL!

maybe you quit poker and me finding your op-thread is a waste of time?

Originally Posted by harleyguy

Things went pretty bad in IRC which put me on tilt big time.

I would like to think the best would be to speak with those who I had the issue with and work things out as I am willing/able to move on

sounds crap, did you click one of those horror-cock-porn links or something

or did someone just call you out on this!!!

Originally Posted by dranger

you'll blow by me this summer

regarding your play/volume - what site you playing? get to $600 roll and get that Full Tilt $600 first deposit bonus + rakeback + the ironman bonus stuff...

see you at 25nl and beyond!

Originally Posted by daven

maybe you quit poker and me finding your op-thread is a waste of time?

Originally Posted by harleyguy

Things went pretty bad in IRC which put me on tilt big time.

I would like to think the best would be to speak with those who I had the issue with and work things out as I am willing/able to move on

sounds crap, did you click one of those horror-cock-porn links or something

or did someone just call you out on this!!!

Originally Posted by dranger

you'll blow by me this summer

regarding your play/volume - what site you playing? get to $600 roll and get that Full Tilt $600 first deposit bonus + rakeback + the ironman bonus stuff...

see you at 25nl and beyond!

I know he's hit a rough patch of cards this month, but I'll let him update about it if he wants.

Bold- I plan on doing this once I get back from boot and my roll is at 2k. I'll take 1k over to FTP, get bonus and rakeback, then move the 1k back to stars and use the Rakeback/bonus money as kinda like my "Bonus Whoring" roll and bounce it around.

I'll keep the money on stars so that I can keep developing my game and moving up stakes, and also keeping my VIP status, hopefully goldstar minimum every month when I get back.

Holy shit it has been a long time. I'm finishing up a long day at work but I need to get my ass back on track. Long story short I've ran pretty bad over the last 45 days or so. I was fortunate enough to have M2M sweat me the other day and he found a few minor leaks for me to work on. I put his advice to work and it has been paying off. Since then I have been winning every sesion at a fair rate.
I don't have access to HEM as I am at work but I think I will post some graphs and shit later. Believe me it will be humiliating cuz I have really been sucking azzz.
Some have asked if I quite poker and no I do see that happening at all. Also things are good in IRC and I continue to benefit from all who are there.

OK well I'll update real soon. Hopefully tonight if I can get out of this fucking office. See I have to be the last person to leave and right now it's 2+ hours after closing but one salesperson is still with a customer...Ahh

I'm glad M2M helped you out. He's a great guy and his advice is more than solid.

How much studying do you do?

Glad to see the sweat session has helped.

Thanks for the compliment Illfavor. There's plenty of other guys that could have probably given better advice though lol.

Damn didn't have a chance to play at all yesterday. Did a 13+ hour day at the office which put me home near 11:15 and I had to be back to a meeting at 8:30 am. Hoping to get a few hands in tonight after work.

Oh and Illfavor you touch on a huge point. I have been really bad about studying which if I look back through my history it's such an amazing coincidence. Guess when things started falling apart...Hmmm could there be a connection? That is one reason why I am going to get reconnected to the forums and utilize all the tools I have at my disposal. I have got to stop being such a lazy ass.

Well did 13 hours again at work but I was pretty determined I wanted to play some poker. I spent a little time at work today reading the forums not really enough to call it studying though.
So I only got 242 hands in but for 73.35bb/100 so that wasn't to bad. I've managed to get my confidence back a little lately and feel like I can focus again. I've spent some time reviewing my recent history and analyizing what it is I'm doing etc. and feel good about it. Some of the major things I think are playing minimal tables such as 2-4 and trying to focus more. Concentrating on my bet sizes and trying to put opponents on ranges. Nothing fancy really just the basics but for me that is all I need to work on is the basics. I'm a long long way from worrying about anything other than that.
Well it felt good to play a little since I've been having one hell of a week at work. My job can be amazingly stressful and the hours are very long, so I really need poker to help me balance.
Current bank roll is slowly building back up from a low earlier this month of $170, which I was just about to step down, to a current balance of $276. Sad thing is I really need to get to grinding if I don't want this op to be an offical failure. I've put in 53k hands so far and my goal was to reach 25nl in less than 100k hands.

Oh yeah the boss stuck his head in my office on his way out today and told me not to come in until 11:00 am since I've put in crazy ass hours. So I'll get in a short session in th morning!

Well came home last night and watch a couple videos then played for awhile. Couldn't really get any traction and ended down 1 bi. Got a short session in this morning but nothing to brad about really. I did feel like I was doing a good job of focusing and playing with a purpose. Thinking about each decision and what it may bring etc.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Thanks for the compliment Illfavor. There's plenty of other guys that could have probably given better advice though lol.

yeah, but it probably costs 8bi/hr

Just a little whining I guess. I played 2500 hands today and was really really excited about how I was doing. I was really focused and playing tight. I was literally chanting in my head "No tough spots, no tough spots" over and over. I just didn't want to put myself in a position where I had to make tough decisions and it was working well.

Then I ran into these within 20 minutes of each other. I'm going to go ahead and post the complete hands including results. I'm not really posting these for anything more than to whine a little I guess but feel free to let me know if you would have done something different?

I only had 9 hands on the villian and to be honest after the flop I wasn't really concerned with anything other than getting my money in the middle. I lead out with a small bet to see if I was going to get anybody to come along or not. Once I saw villian was onboard I figured I need to space the bets out so I didn't appear to eager. I was a little concerned he could have the Ac but I figured if he does I'm going to donate to him.

$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Cecronos ($1.70)
UTG+1 LauSekMing ($5.00)
MP1 Hero ($10.00)
MP2 MiroslavLT ($15.35)
CO dphyattjr ($2.30)
BTN EvilWG ($10.00)
SB DevilLucas ($10.05)
BB Reto_aae ($10.90)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 8 players) Hero is MP1
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, MiroslavLT calls $0.40, dphyattjr calls $0.40, 2 folds, Reto_aae calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.65, 4 players)
Reto_aae checks, Hero bets $0.40, MiroslavLT raises to $1.60, 1 fold, Reto_aae folds, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.85, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.80, MiroslavLT calls $2.80

River: ($10.45, 2 players)
Hero goes all-in $5.20, MiroslavLT calls $5.20

Final Pot: $20.85
Hero shows:
MiroslavLT shows:

MiroslavLT wins $19.85 ( won +$9.85 )
Reto_aae lost -$0.40
Hero lost -$10
dphyattjr lost -$0.40

I was like holy shit NH and oh well. Then a few minutes later this one comes along.

$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG MastaBooge ($2.00)
UTG+1 fuinguy ($8.85)
MP1 Nyko03 ($6.75)
MP2 juanma1313 ($9.85)
MP3 Fundidito ($7.25)
CO Dimon200521 ($7.00)
BTN Hero ($10.85)
SB rekrezreb ($8.15)
BB dalong5 ($2.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 9 players) Hero is BTN
1 fold, fuinguy calls $0.10, Nyko03 calls $0.10, 1 fold, Fundidito calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.70, 2 folds, fuinguy folds, Nyko03 folds, Fundidito calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.75, 2 players)
Fundidito bets $1.30, Hero raises to $3.10, Fundidito goes all-in $6.55, Hero calls $3.45

Turn: ($14.85, 2 players)

River: ($14.85, 2 players)

Final Pot: $14.85
Fundidito shows:
Hero shows:

Fundidito wins $14.15 ( won +$6.90 )
Hero lost -$7.25
fuinguy lost -$0.10
Nyko03 lost -$0.10


Now this one I guess I just played it bad. I was still really pissed when I saw what the vilian chased down with what I thought were atleast decent raises. In retrospect I should have shoved the turn or atleast been smart enough to fold the river.

$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ALLNOOB ($10.75)
UTG+1 mvr1973 ($10.00)
MP1 Tenerezza ($10.00)
MP2 Hero ($10.00)
CO pirla1 ($2.10)
BTN kayfabian ($1.85)
SB umereine ($13.05)
BB Weightstars ($8.90)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 8 players) Hero is MP2
ALLNOOB calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.50, 4 folds, ALLNOOB calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.15, 2 players)
ALLNOOB checks, Hero bets $0.90, ALLNOOB calls $0.90

Turn: ($2.95, 2 players)
ALLNOOB checks, Hero bets $2.70, ALLNOOB calls $2.70

River: ($8.35, 2 players)
ALLNOOB goes all-in $6.65, Hero goes all-in $5.90

Final Pot: $20.15
ALLNOOB shows:
Hero shows:

ALLNOOB wins $19.95 ( won +$9.20 )
Hero lost -$10

So the day ended on a pretty sour note after being so happy with how things had gone!



After that I said fuck it and did the only thing a real man can do. I pulled the big black Harley out of the shop wiped her down and went and killed bugs in the 92 degree weather. So really that made up for it after the ice cold Coors Lite!

hrm, looks like its still around 10bb/100? thats still good m8

Dude hand 1 you have to 3bet the flop and try to get it in. Bet VERY large on the turn, then probably c/c or c/f river but it's so close.

Hand 2 - obv. fine

Hand 3 - Defff fold river

Honestly, I just skimmed your thread but is your brother doing better? What exactly happened? Sorry if you mentioned it before.

edit: didn't see your flop bet size. Come on man bet that HARD. Near pot.

i was going to post some beats from this morning's session to make you feel better. But I won't. Cos that's spreading the tilt worm sickness. The above hands I've already commented on in your BC thread - 1 you play bad, 2 is pretty standard, 3 river fold. None of these are badbeats.

Start complaining when you get it in with the nut straight on the turn vs bottom two deep. And then stop complaining straight away, forget about it. Study instead. Posting these hands is good for one reason - the comments on the lines you have taken will be of value.

and you still had yourself a winning session

kmind thanks for asking about my bro. He's all good although they never figured out what exactly the problem was. I imagine it was stress related. He lost his home completely in a flood last year and has been living in a FEMA trailer since. He is doing good though and again thanks for asking!

daven you are exactly right. I actually learned plunty from the respones the thread received in BC. I do a pretty good job of moving on and don't let tilt effect me much. In this case I did the best therapy I could for me and that was ride my bike!

Haven't played much this week cuz works been a bitch. I have made some pretty serious moniez at work though so it's all good.
I got up this morning and decided I wanted to play a few hands before going into the office. I fired up six tables of Fr and set out playing. Things got going pretty quickly. I opened up a few more hands but continued to focus well. I played my positions well and thought out my bets etc. I managed to get the moniez in the middle when I wanted to and it all worked out well.
Unfortunately or fortunately I didn’t get to play very long. I got in a little over 500 hands and ended the session up 4.5 bi’s and never lost more than 30 bb's which only happened once, which made me happy.

nice sesh

Hi, im pretty new but im thinking of doing the same thing as you. Starting at 2nl and following your bankroll guidelines then trying to move up.

What do you use to track your progress? did you have to pay for it?

Also im thinking of signing up to Cardrunners but is that really worth it if im playing such low stakes?

Well can't really say I am to please with the month as far as poker goes. I really want to put in more hands and get more studying in as well.



Work really hampered the poker game but I did make 13K at work for the month so I shouldn't complain!

I'm back and I demand updates, sir!

Reviving my old opp. I've been back for awhile now. I was totally away for about 7 months and have just started over @5nl 6max. I have since moved upto 10nl fr when I reached 25bi's. I have dropped a few of those bi's but not so much that I need to drop back down to 5nl. I don't think that will happen but in the event the BR gets down to $150 then I will drop back, but that shit aint happenin'.

I've been playing really tight and only premium hands. One big leak I think is I have been putting way to much into small pp's and really not antyhing into suited connectors etc. in later positions. Had a great conversation with Spoon in IRC the other day and really felt it was a good learning time. Now with that said I suffered a set back while trying to adjust but not worried about it really.

I changed jobs on the first of February and the new gig is much more condusive to playing. My basic plan is to do most of my playing in the mornings before work. I don't start until 11am so that gives me a couple hours to play after taking care of the morning chores and before leaving for work. I get between 600 and 1k hands in but that may drop down a little because I've been playing 8-10 tables and with as many adjustments as I need that is to many I think.

This mornings session started off as a disaster and I was down 4+bi's within 30 minutes. Then I hunkered down and managed to minimize my loss to only 1.3bi's.

Glad to have you back sir! Seems like all the old guys from ~04/2009 are comin back!

Good luck dude and gtfo of 10nl already.

Well the power of positive thinking just wasn't enough. I played two sessions today and unfortionately I was forced to move back down to 5nl today. I really don't know what the hell the problem is. When I first moved up to 10nl I was really doing well. I knew I needed to make some improvements and I had a plan of working on things basically one leak at a time.
I'm really struggling and am so frustrated. I'm actually so frustrated I can't even write about it right now. So instead of playing any more poker today I am going to do some reading and maybe look for a good video to watch.
Minor setback but it won't keep me down!

Review hands from your last sessions when your head is a little more clear (tomorrow or something). Look for some leaks you might have like not value betting enough/betting to thinly on the river vs villain. Cbetting boards/situations where its -EV thats costing you NSD winnings because you have to give up later, calling one street even though you know ur going to fold to continued aggression later on, etc.

I'm really short on time but I think I just discoverd a HUGE leak. I find myself having to make these tough decisions and to many times I end up folding. I need to force the other guy to make those decisions more often. For example I was playing a hand this morning. I had a 2nd nut flush draw and a str8 draw. Now as the hand was played villian folded but while discussing this hand in IRC I was asked what would I have done if the turn came up blank: probably raise- what would I have done if he re-reraised, and I imediately said fold. Well maybe occassionally I should come over the top with a big 3bet or a total shove to force them???
Wish I had more time but I wanted to throw this out there while it was fresh. What do you all think????
Not that anybody reads this shit other than my buddy.....Thanks dranger!

Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13

Well maybe occassionally I should come over the top with a big 3bet or a total shove to force them???

I'm actually reading this "shit" too, lol. Sorry that you had to drop down, but I like reading about other 5NL's.

As far as your idea above, I'd rethink it. It sounds like you are contemplating bluffing more often. I think that will turn out to be a bigger leak. Just chill out and try not to lose big hands. Don't be in a hurry to win monies. I've had tons (a few) of OESD + Nut Flush draws and lately they have been missing. But, I didn't lose a lot of money because I didn't risk a lot.

You can go aggro if you want, but I'd say you need a real good read to do it. If you wait for good hands, really, patiently wait, they will come and others will spew chips to you. If you are getting a great price to call to a draw, then do it for sure, but don't chase. Try to eliminate varience by not getting too much money in badly and not bluffing much. Bluffing for big pots is especially bad. It's hard to bluff successfully at the micros because if villian has a hand, he doesn't like to fold. That makes it profitable to bet good hands and bluff less.

GL.

Haha you know it dude!

Wow first off I am so fucking terrible at keeping up with this damn thing. I was thinking of starting a new OP but that would be retarded since I haven't kept up with this one.
At any rate I am at the point were I am basically starting over. I have ran by BR down to $40 so will be grinding up from there starting at 2nl once again. I plan on asking for lots of help and will be posting more hands etc. in order to plug the many leaks.
Dranger sweated me the other day and it was helpful. I am hoping to be able to get with somebody atleast twice a month or so. I really think it would be beneficial if I could sit in on a session occassionally and just watch others play. Dranger and I have talked about that and he seems willing to help the old man out so props go out to him!
I do plan on doing a few SnG's in order to help rebuild the BR but I will continue to focus on the cash game. Most of the SnG's I play will be from work since I don't have HEM on my puter at work. May starting taking the laptop to work once I get the BR built back up to the $300 range and back to 10nl.
Along with working on my poker game I have to get my ass back into shape. My wife has done an amazing job lately dropping 18 pounds and working out 3+ days a week like an aniimal. We have a 30 reunion (yea remember I am the old man aroundhere) coming up this summer and I want to make my wife as proud as I will be.

Well the torture continues. I've not managed to turn this ship wreck around at all. TBH I'm not even properly rolled for 2nl right now but hey they don't have anything lower! I'm adjusting and pretty much starting all over. Keith_mm turned me on to a site which has free training videos (Video 101 series - Free Winning Texas Holdem Poker Strategy Videos) and my plan is to follow through with them. I figure even if it's not the best plan atleast it's a plan. I've watch the first two which are very basic but I think it's a good sound way to grind through 2nl. I'm really hoping I don't have to reload the account although it's not a big deal if I do atleast financially, would be terrible for my ego though.
I've got to start posting hands more often, hell even occassionally would be helpful. Over the last couple days it just seems crazy but I've had so many coolers I can't believe it. I know that's not the entire problem hell actually that's just part of poker but it's fucking magnified since everything else is going to fucking bad. Hell here's a sample of what I'm talking about:

Villian is pretty standard 2nl player. Playing damn near every hand etc. I don't have exact stats cuz I'm playing at work and I don't have HEM at work.

$0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG mjranew ($2.01)
UTG+1 Hero ($1.84)
MP1 bouf1000 ($1.54)
MP2 Airstream66 ($2.96)
CO steve23c ($2.56)
BTN mzr6222 ($0.91)
SB newtpkr ($0.81)
BB Ague ($4.78)
Pre-Flop: ($0.03, 8 players) Hero is UTG+1
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, 5 folds, Ague calls $0.04
Flop: ($0.13, 2 players)
Ague bets $0.13, Hero raises to $0.48, Ague calls $0.35
Turn: ($1.09, 2 players)
Ague bets $0.90, $0.9 to Hero ($1.3)?

I think I played this about as good as I could have.

Keith turned me on to these videos too. I like the "Owned" Series. Two guys review another players' video and make comments. They will pause the video at times to discuss what the player should do or did. Check it out. Helped alot

they did a hand history review for me that made me cringe when i saw what i was doing luckily it didn't get posted . Basically that was the real turn around for me and pointed out where I was really going wrong.

The trouble with a sweat is that you are conscious of someone watching and commenting and it can subconsciously make you play diffferent. Do it on a historic session where you weren't intending to have it commented on and all the mistakes are there in all there glory once they are pointed out.

KK - that turn was a shitty card, made straights are there as well flushes , you aren't drawing to the nut flush and being asked to stack off calling that bet .....I think i fold. Only good card that can come is the A hearts.

Hey man just saw you in the IRC today and wanted to give you my support. I'm at $10NL right now, but I'm pretty sure your knowledge/skills exceed mine. I'm guessing you restarted at $2NL since you're a forum veteran? Well anyhow, I'll be following your journey. Your graph looks great. Keep it up!

xpaand thanks for your support my friend! I don't know that my knowledge/skills exceed many. I have restarted at 2nl after a long break from poker and a nasty downswing shortly after coming back.

I'm really excited about the video series. I've been watching them pretty regularly and trying to follow there advice. I'm not playing many hands as I am really concentrating on quality rather than quanity. My win rate is inching up but again small sample size but it's a start. I really think I am going to follow the entire series through and just see how it all turns out.
I downloaded PokerNinja the other day after spending awhile trying to program my own scripts with AHK and kinda failing. TN is pretty damn cool and it is helping me concentrate on the cards and reads and I am pretty much sticking with preset bet sizes for the most part. I have them set for 4+1 per limper preflop, 85% flop bet, 77% turn bet and 66%river. Of course I adjust depending on the villian etc. although I honestly haven't much.

Hey a big shout out to you who do check in on me and help out in IRC etc. I really appreciate it all so much!

Got up around 5:30 this morning and couldn't sleep so I hit the tables. Did a couple hour session before going to work. Ended up even for the session. Didn't find myself in any crazy spots, made some good laydowns and overall was happy with my play. I tagged a couple hands to post but I'm at work and going to a party when I get off so may be a day or two before I get them up.