Operation: This is how your really SmashEm

nice work on keeping on smashing, good to see someone getting it done.

Originally Posted by langaan

howd you guys do in April? and how do i get the jpegs to post as a thumbnail instead of link?

best bet is probably to post the jpegs to an image hosting site like tinypic and then link there using [img][/img] tags to embed the pic in the post/thread. Sorry i just saw your question!

ok so ive never posted ad hands so im gonna give it a try....

my session started off with a spooey shove.... stupidity. i think i was convincing myself that this tagg was semi-bluffing, but either way, crappy play to start a memorable crappy session....

*** note to self.... dont over shove c/r from tagg deep. i swear i wanted to punch myself in the face for this

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com
UTG ($100.32)
Hero (BB) ($170.28)
SB ($395.42)
Button ($165.45)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K
2 folds, SB raises $2.50, Hero raises $9, SB calls $7
Flop: ($20) J, 7, 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $13, SB raises $33, Hero raises to $160.28 (All-In), SB calls $127.28
Turn: ($340.56) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($340.56) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $340.56
Results below:

Spoiler: Show

SB had 7, 7 (three of a kind, sevens).
Hero had K, K (one pair, Kings).
Outcome: SB won $338.56

then this against the 52/2/1 fish at the table, the only reason im even at this table...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
UTG ($182.53)
MP ($315.71)
SB ($102.10)
Hero (CO) ($175.74)
Button ($100)
BB ($86.02)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 2, Q
2 folds, Hero raises $3, 2 folds, BB calls $2
Flop: ($6.50) 7, 3, K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.63, BB raises $9.26, Hero calls $4.63
Turn: ($25.02) J (2 players)
BB bets $23.77, Hero raises $47.54, BB calls $23.77
River: ($120.10) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $26.22 (All-In), Hero calls $26.22
Total pot: $172.54
Results below:

Spoiler: Show

BB had 7, 7 (full house, sevens over threes).
Hero had 2, Q (flush, Queen high).
Outcome: BB won $169.54

and then if the above hand wasnt bad enough, then there was this hand against same fish... this took me to a total of 4 buy ins down for the session,,,,, i thought for sure this was my break even shove,,, i knew for sure the fish was calling with any flush and any 6,,, so i shove for value lol ... puuuuuke!!!

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/
Button ($281.71)
MP ($62.22)
SB ($100)
Hero (BB) ($144.37)
UTG ($116.27)
CO ($138.33)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, 5
2 folds, CO calls $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.50, Hero checks
Flop: ($3) 6, 6, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks
Turn: ($3) 2 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.85, CO calls $2.85, 1 fold
River: ($8.70) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $140.52 (All-In), CO calls $134.48 (All-In)
Total pot: $277.66
Results below:

Spoiler: Show

Hero had 6, 5 (full house, sixes over fives).
CO had 3, 4 (straight flush, six high).
Outcome: CO won $274.66

anyways, the good news is there are 3 fish to my right with a total of 700bb..... and i stick around thinking maybe something will go my way ...... but i was wrong.....

i go up to about 250bb and am just waiting for my chance to shove deep to make up for all the coolers.... but i get a couple mini-coolers instead

then a new fish joins the table and takes FOREVER to play.... this guy slows the table waaaay down and everyone, including the 3 fish with 700bb get up and leave.

so there i sit, 4 buy ins down, with this arsssehole that drove all the fish away and then to cap off the session .. this happens,,,,

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (2 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Hero (SB) ($144.94)
BB ($73)
Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K
Hero raises $3.50, BB raises to $73 (All-In), Hero calls $69
Flop: ($146) K, 8, A (2 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: ($146) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($146) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $146
Results below:

Spoiler: Show

Hero had K, K (three of a kind, Kings).
BB had 9, A (flush, Ace high).
Outcome: BB won $145

and after hitting the flush and making me puke AGAIN, yup., he gets up and leaves.

brutal session, thought it couldnt get any worse... thinking it just CANT go on forever lolol... then...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/
MP ($39.87)
SB ($40.24)
Hero (UTG) ($156.20)
Button ($204.39)
BB ($105.63)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q
Hero raises $4, 1 fold, Button raises $12, 2 folds, Hero calls $8
Flop: ($25.50) 10, 3, J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $15, Hero calls $15
Turn: ($55.50) A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks
River: ($55.50) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $30, Hero calls $30
Total pot: $115.50
Results below:

Spoiler: Show

Button had K, K (straight, Ace high).
Hero had Q, Q (three of a kind, Queens).
Outcome: Button won $112.50

and then one more that was complete tilt.... and this was the nail in the coffin...


tilllllt away....

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com
Button ($41.37)
UTG ($39.74)
BB ($81.38)
Hero (CO) ($100)
SB ($258.89)
MP ($105.63)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 10, 10
UTG calls $1, MP raises $4, Hero calls $4, 1 fold, SB raises $13.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $13, MP raises $23, Hero calls $23, SB raises to $258.89 (All-In), UTG calls $25.74 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $73 (All-In)
Flop: ($267.74) A, 9, 4 (3 players, 3 all-in)
Turn: ($267.74) 8 (3 players, 3 all-in)
River: ($267.74) J (3 players, 3 all-in)
Total pot: $267.74
Results below:

Spoiler: Show

SB had A, A (three of a kind, Aces).
UTG didn't show
Hero had 10, 10 (one pair, tens).
Outcome: SB won $423.63

so... earlier in the year i took a shot at 100NL.... i started with a heater... up 12 buyins or something then 18 down with a stretch of coolers. that was in FEB i think and it was enough to send me crying back to 25nl...

so here in MAY, i took another shot, and started up 6 buy ins, then tonight lost all 6.

anyways, some of the hands tonight, especially the last hand (TT) proves to me that 100NL just tilts me too much,,,, so im purging 100nl hands and going to try and forget about it and pack my bags... im going back to 25/50 again.

im happy about it though, i only lost what i gained .... but frankly i cant handle the coolers at 100nl obvioulsy... it tilts me so the heck with it,,, ill keep smashing 25/50nl and take another shot later in the year maybe


seriously though, i know all about coolers and I know sh!t happens, these sessions are inevitable....

so, just for my own reference..... the reason i am saying the hell with 100NL is because I clearly cannot stick to my A-game. If tonight would have been at the 25 or 50 l tables, i suspect the 6 buy in loss would have only been 2.... i dont tilt at 25 or 50 so thats where ill play.

so ive had some time to digest that session from last night and review some of the hands after some time past.

My plan is the same, I've concluded that I need approx. 50-60 buyins to eliminate the tilt factor.



So I wont get much for volume at 25 and 50nl for May but ill do my best. Starting in June my primary focus will be to beat up 50nl.

Im going to post a few topics over the next week as well

Reads

So you have taken your seat at a 25 or 50nl table, and you've managed to find a nice table where you have 2 or more bad players, hopefully to your immediate right.

I said before, I like to use metaphors... so I am going to use some again.

Let's think about the table you have sat down at as a classroom at school in the good ol years.

What do you do at a classroom in school? you learn.
how? by watching, listening and studying.

So when you've folded your 72o, are you leaning back whispering to friends, watching you tube, twiddling your thumbs etc....?
Or are you watching your opponents plays, and taking notes about their tendencies, their tells, their weaknesses etc....

Do reads really help?

well take me for example. I can relax, sit down and smash 25NL very easily. But put me in front of 4 different tables, or turn the tv on with my favorite hockey team and that's it, I am lucky if I stay in the green at all.

To give some insight I did a little experiment this month, what I did is I multitabled 4 tables at party, the speed tables, so needless to say there was no time to think much, and certainly no time to get reads. in fact, its new people every hand so getting reads is essentially impossible.

The results were,
after 28K hands of my normal single tabling play, I am running a shade under 40bb/100, and have NEVER gone 1,000 straight hands without being in the green.

however, the results of my experiment at the speed tables was that after about 4K hands my win rate plummeted to just over break even. Not to mention the fact that I was over and under the break even line several times through the 4K hands.

So, the point is, if you have the time to study your opponents, you WILL increase your winrate. if you don't have the time, MAKE the time.

What reads are worth noting at 25 / 50NL?

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1 - ANY play by villain on any street that is clearly the incorrect play. For example, calling a 3bet with t8o. Most people would suggest using abbreviations for notes such as "CC'd 3B IP w/T8o". However, My note on such a play would look more like this... "DO NOT 3BET BLUFF: Capable of calling 3Bets with garbage IP x 1", and if I see it again I change the x1 to x2.

2 - ANY unusual play that just makes no sense whatsoever. For example, if you see a villain donk the flop and turn with a min bet and pot bet the brick on the river, make a note of it. Make note of what he donked the flop with, and especially make note of what he pot bet the river with. Some terrible players out there will have air 100% of the time here, while others will have the nutz 100% of the time. My notes on this would look like this.... "MINI DONK = AIR min bet F/T and pot river with AIR/no drawx1" or "MINI DONKS = STRENGTH min bet F/T and pot river after flopping nutzx1".

3 - Tendancies. This is probably the most important and valuable type of note, and to make it easy just start all these notes with "tends to....."
examples of tendancies that WILL increase your profitability vs villain:
"tends to donk flop if he catches anything"
"tends to tilt easy"
"tends to bluff in bad spots"
"tends to play loosely and chase pots when things aren't going well"
"tends to be sneaky when strong and misses a ton of value"


Lastly, if you see some terrible players on a regular basis, don't be afraid to write a general summary of the player. I have several guys that I have a paragraph on that would seriously look something like this...

"this guy has no clue about the game. bets/calls/raises make no sense whatsoever. If this guy is at the table, wait for a premium hand and pot-bet ALL streets with TPTK or better"

or...

"this guy either raises or folds in almost any situation. bet this guy off all his hands and fold when he plays back"

Originally Posted by langaan

Reads

So you have taken your seat at a 25 or 50nl table, and you've managed to find a nice table where you have 2 or more bad players, hopefully to your immediate right.

I said before, I like to use metaphors... so I am going to use some again.

Let's think about the table you have sat down at as a classroom at school in the good ol years.

What do you do at a classroom in school? you learn.
how? by watching, listening and studying.

So when you've folded your 72o, are you leaning back whispering to friends, watching you tube, twiddling your thumbs etc....?
Or are you watching your opponents plays, and taking notes about their tendencies, their tells, their weaknesses etc....

Do reads really help?

well take me for example. I can relax, sit down and smash 25NL very easily. But put me in front of 4 different tables, or turn the tv on with my favorite hockey team and that's it, I am lucky if I stay in the green at all.

To give some insight I did a little experiment this month, what I did is I multitabled 4 tables at party, the speed tables, so needless to say there was no time to think much, and certainly no time to get reads. in fact, its new people every hand so getting reads is essentially impossible.

The results were,
after 28K hands of my normal single tabling play, I am running a shade under 40bb/100, and have NEVER gone 1,000 straight hands without being in the green.

however, the results of my experiment at the speed tables was that after about 4K hands my win rate plummeted to just over break even. Not to mention the fact that I was over and under the break even line several times through the 4K hands.

So, the point is, if you have the time to study your opponents, you WILL increase your winrate. if you don't have the time, MAKE the time.

What reads are worth noting at 25 / 50NL?

----------------------

1 - ANY play by villain on any street that is clearly the incorrect play. For example, calling a 3bet with t8o. Most people would suggest using abbreviations for notes such as "CC'd 3B IP w/T8o". However, My note on such a play would look more like this... "DO NOT 3BET BLUFF: Capable of calling 3Bets with garbage IP x 1", and if I see it again I change the x1 to x2.

2 - ANY unusual play that just makes no sense whatsoever. For example, if you see a villain donk the flop and turn with a min bet and pot bet the brick on the river, make a note of it. Make note of what he donked the flop with, and especially make note of what he pot bet the river with. Some terrible players out there will have air 100% of the time here, while others will have the nutz 100% of the time. My notes on this would look like this.... "MINI DONK = AIR min bet F/T and pot river with AIR/no drawx1" or "MINI DONKS = STRENGTH min bet F/T and pot river after flopping nutzx1".

3 - Tendancies. This is probably the most important and valuable type of note, and to make it easy just start all these notes with "tends to....."
examples of tendancies that WILL increase your profitability vs villain:
"tends to donk flop if he catches anything"
"tends to tilt easy"
"tends to bluff in bad spots"
"tends to play loosely and chase pots when things aren't going well"
"tends to be sneaky when strong and misses a ton of value"


Lastly, if you see some terrible players on a regular basis, don't be afraid to write a general summary of the player. I have several guys that I have a paragraph on that would seriously look something like this...

"this guy has no clue about the game. bets/calls/raises make no sense whatsoever. If this guy is at the table, wait for a premium hand and pot-bet ALL streets with TPTK or better"

or...

"this guy either raises or folds in almost any situation. bet this guy off all his hands and fold when he plays back"

Very useful, thanks.I make my notes on paper, then go back through PT4 and expand them if neccessary

sry for not posting in so long, i will post June results soon.

I have been working on a value system to use for PT$'s table tracker (table selection tool)... and using my own database consisting of 25/50/100 NL, i discovered some interesting information as I was working on this. So, I thought Id share it with you all as it kinda gives a snapshot of a few things.

the things that popped out to me after looking at this information are:

1 - There are WAAAAY more fish out there than I though. according to this info, 1 in 5 hands in my database are from players playing over 40% of their hands.
2 - Mathematically and theoretically speaking, if you were playing 6max with a table full of guys running 30vpip, which is a gold mine, you are actually better off at a table full of regular nits and just one fish running 50vpip...
3 - 58% of hands played are by players running 20-29vpip
4 - there appears to be a huge increase in losses between 40vpip and 50vpip, then again another big jump at 60vpip.

i found it interesting.

VPIP	$$ Won	Hands	% of hands/pool	$$ lost per Hand
90	-22657.27	22669	0.14%	-$0.999
80	-64581.56	78802	0.49%	-$0.820
70	-124631.55	219504	1.36%	-$0.568
60	-202069.61	444950	2.77%	-$0.454
50	-306095.04	855917	5.32%	-$0.358
40	-268770.52	1445870	8.99%	-$0.186
30	-156463.77	2458494	15.28%	-$0.064
20	14135.86	9431291	58.63%	$0.001
10	-7496.4	1128079	7.01%	-$0.007