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  1. #1
    $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
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    6 Players
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    Stacks:
    UTG Petitdanone3 ($1.73)
    UTG+1 BeanyM ($2)
    CO reikorp ($5.53) 69/11 over 55 hands
    notes:calls w/gutterball/insta bluffs busted draws on river +1 tell bluff draws on river
    BTN Hero ($3.88)
    SB rouletdeler ($1.58) 77/32 over 22 hands
    notes:
    1.overbets river with nut hands
    2.calling 96o to btn raise...flopped mp checked, called psb q turn, checked river w/intention of calling
    3.limped kk oop, minraised 9xx flop, slowplayed rest of streets
    BB KastiPoker ($2.89) 23/20 over 35 hands, hasnt been involved much seems fit or fold post.

    Pre-Flop: ($0.03, 6 players) Hero is BTN
    2 folds, reikorp raises to $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, rouletdeler calls $0.05, KastiPoker calls $0.04

    reikorp range:
    22+,A2s+,K7s+,Q8s+,J9s+,T9s,97s+,86s+,75s+,64s+,53 s+,43s,A6o+,K8o+,Q9o+,JTo

    roultdeler range:
    22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,72s+,62s+,5 2s+,42s+,32s,A2o+,K4o+,Q6o+,J7o+,T6o+,94o+,84o+,74 o+,62o+,52o+,42o+,32o
    kastipoker range:
    22+,A2s+,K8s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,75s+,64s+,5 3s+,43s,ATo+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo
    i call here because i am IP in a multway pot with a hand that carries a ton of implied odds.


    Flop: ($0.24, 4 players)
    rouletdeler checks, KastiPoker bets $0.10, reikorp calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, rouletdeler calls $0.10

    kastipoker range:
    88+,55,33,A8s,A5s,A3s,K8s,T8s,97s+,86s+,76s,64s+,5 3s

    reikorp range:
    22+,AKs,A8s,A3s,KQs,K8s,QJs,Q8s,JTs,T9s,97s+,86s+, 75s+,64s+,53s+,43s

    rouletdeler range:
    44,22,AQs-A2s,K8s+,K5s,K3s,Q3s+,J3s+,T3s+,93s+,82s+,72s+,62s +,52s+,42s+,32s,A2o+,K8o-K4o,Q8o-Q6o,J8o-J7o,T6o+,95o+,84o+,74o+,62o+,52o+,42o+,32o


    i call here getting 4.4 to 1 on a call needing 4.8ish to 1 with a station behind and implied odds of at least another 20c on the turn. so i end up getting like 7.4 to 1 so +++ev

    Board: 5d 8c 3s

    Hand 0: 29.732% { 7d6d }

    Hand 1: 22.976% { 22+, AKs, A8s, A3s, KQs, K8s, QJs, Q8s, JTs, T9s, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 64s+, 53s+, 43s }

    Hand 2: 12.482% { 44, 22, AQs-A2s, K8s+, K5s, K3s, Q3s+, J3s+, T3s+, 93s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, A2o+, K8o-K4o, Q8o-Q6o, J8o-J7o, T6o+, 95o+, 84o+, 74o+, 62o+, 52o+, 42o+, 32o }

    Hand 3: 34.810% { 88+, 55, 33, A8s, A5s, A3s, K8s, T8s, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, 64s+, 53s }

    Turn: ($0.64, 4 players)
    rouletdeler checks, KastiPoker checks, reikorp checks, Hero bets $0.46, rouletdeler calls $0.46, KastiPoker folds, reikorp folds

    So i was asked why i bet here and i didnt remember at the time but i do now, my thought process was kastipoker is fit or fold, his cbet was "auto" in nature and barrels his strong range here and checks his air/weak range. the other two are prolly going to slowplay a straight but also check their straight draws/2pair/set hands as well, i couldnt do the equity in my head at the time so:

    kasti range:
    A5s,A3s,97s,86s+,76s,64s+,53s

    the other two's ranges dont change at all imo so before i bet:
    Board: 5d 8c 3s 7h

    Hand 0: 21.535% { 7d6d }

    Hand 1: 30.684% { 22+, AKs, A8s, A3s, KQs, K8s, QJs, Q8s, JTs, T9s, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 64s+, 53s+, 43s }

    Hand 2: 16.820% { 44, 22, AQs-A2s, K8s+, K5s, K3s, Q3s+, J3s+, T3s+, 93s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, A2o+, K8o-K4o, Q8o-Q6o, J8o-J7o, T6o+, 95o+, 84o+, 74o+, 62o+, 52o+, 42o+, 32o }

    Hand 3: 30.962% { A5s, A3s, 97s, 86s+, 76s, 64s+, 53s }


    The purpose of the bet was for value, i thought better would fold(7 is scare card imo) and worse would def call with 2 stations in the hand so after bet:

    Board: 5d 8c 3s 7h

    Hand 0: 66.001% { 7d6d }

    Hand 1: 33.999% { 44, 22, AQs-A2s, K8s+, K5s, K3s, Q3s+, J3s+, T3s+, 93s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, A2o+, K8o-K4o, Q8o-Q6o, J8o-J7o, T6o+, 95o+, 84o+, 74o+, 62o+, 52o+, 42o+, 32o }


    River: ($1.56, 2 players)
    rouletdeler goes all-in $0.96, Hero folds

    at the time i didnt think i could call here with so many tx, 4x hands in his range i figured i had to be behind

    he gives me .96 to win 2.52 or like 2.65 to 1 on the call i have:

    Board: 5d 8c 3s 7h 6s

    Hand 0: 61.017% { 7d6d }

    Hand 1: 38.983% { 44, 22, AQs-A2s, K8s+, K5s, K3s, Q3s+, J3s+, T3s+, 93s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, A2o+, K8o-K4o, Q8o-Q6o, J8o-J7o, T6o+, 95o+, 84o+, 74o+, 62o+, 52o+, 42o+, 32o }


    being that i only need 38% to call here and i have 61% equity against his range i should have called? this is such a grey area for me because his continuing range is so wide.
    Last edited by pdk1010; 09-03-2010 at 12:06 AM.
    <yaawn> "dude you need to give up childish shit like your job, any hobbies, your girlfriend, then u'll get good"


    "I hear u screamin girl but my name aint haaarder"

  2. #2
    $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
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    6 Players
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    Stacks:
    UTG Dragon Joh ($3.11)
    UTG+1 krümel198226 ($1)
    CO MONKEYCAT77 ($0.85)
    BTN LennyG74 ($2.45)
    SB Hero ($2.35)
    BB calpic ($1.08)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.03, 6 players) Hero is SB
    2 folds, MONKEYCAT77 raises to $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.50, 1 fold, MONKEYCAT77 goes all-in $0.85, Hero calls $0.35

    Flop: ($1.72, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    Turn: ($1.72, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($1.72, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    so bb is 79/46 over 24 hands and mp is 50/25 over 4 hands

    I reviewed this hand and now think that 3 betting here is pretty bad here's why:

    mp is short stacked less than 50bb, i have what seems to be a calling station (at least preflop) left to act with a 33%(1/3) call pfr who is also ss

    mp's range:22+,A2s+,K6s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T8s+,A7o+,K9o+,QTo+,JTo

    hypothetical calling range for bb:99-22,AJs-A2s,KTs-K8s,Q9s+,J9s+,T5s+,95s+,84s+,74s+,64s+,54s,43s,32s ,AJo-A5o


    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 30.445% 30.09% 00.44% 13571094945 199719026.33 { 22+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, A7o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }
    Hand 1: 25.328% 24.47% 00.93% 11037996058 418613756.83 { 99-22, AJs-A2s, KTs-K8s, Q9s+, J9s+, T5s+, 95s+, 84s+, 74s+, 64s+, 54s, 43s, 32s, AJo-A5o }
    Hand 2: 44.227% 43.59% 00.76% 19661187828 343528877.83 { AKo }

    ev of just flatting the flop assuming bb comes along and we get both stacks say 36%(times when a or k come on flop) and loss no more when non a or k flops come

    on average against these two ranges we will have ~55% equity in the hand(on k flops we have ~41% on ace flops we have ~70%)


    [.55(1.93)-.45(.10)]* 36%=.37c

    ev of 3 betting and getting it all in with mp preflop

    Hand 0: 37.711% 35.36% 02.35% 2157867552 143500686.00 { 22+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, A7o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }
    Hand 1: 62.289% 59.94% 02.35% 3657782532 143500686.00 { AKo }


    .62(.85)-.38(.85)=21c


    so flatting mp's raise will alot of the time allow bb to also flat with a very wide range thus allowing me to gain about .16c for playing my hand this way.

    Does this logic make sense?









    Last edited by pdk1010; 09-03-2010 at 01:59 AM.
    <yaawn> "dude you need to give up childish shit like your job, any hobbies, your girlfriend, then u'll get good"


    "I hear u screamin girl but my name aint haaarder"

  3. #3
    ok 1 thing, i nthis hand when you say mp are you talking about the co who is the initial raiser? also is the "calling range" for the bb that you posted his calling range for an all in or his calling range if you flat the other dudes bet, also keep in mind 76% is a shit ton of hands so he is going to have more than just the suited crap you give him like T9o, 98o, 76o, k8o+, j9o+, you get the idea...(oh yea and lol sample size at both of their stats)...

    Basically,

    you are doing a lot of uneccessary math that doesnt work out quite like you want it to. Finding out the ev of flatting is not that simple and cannot be solved like that. As for the ev of shoving, you used the mp's opening range against yours in stove, he is not going to be calling a 3b for all his chips with that range (well you tell me i guess...is he?). Also in your math your just assuming if the bb calls preflop he is going to call all in on any A or K high flop, whereas if thats the case then he'll probably stack off super light pre too so just shove pre and get them both to call seems best.

    you wont know this by the amount of stats you have on him, but if he is super squeezy obviously flat/call shove would be great....if the mp is going to play fit or fold post flop, flatting is also a good option because you will be alone in the hand with a fish a good amount of the time, and youll get to value town either of them on any A or K high flops.
  4. #4
    $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
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    6 Players
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    Stacks:
    UTG jortalleres ($2.20) 31/0 over 16 hands
    UTG+1 Hero ($2.13)
    CO gamblerr33 ($1.36) 68/4 over 73 hands, station post and pre seeing 80% of rivers(37/46)
    BTN minthemouse ($2.73)
    SB Glyharka ($1.12)
    BB Master"G"HI ($0.76)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.03, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1
    jortalleres calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.04, gamblerr33 calls $0.04, 3 folds, jortalleres calls $0.02

    UTG range:22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,72s+, 62s+,52s+,42s+,32s,A2o+,K8o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o
    CO range:TT-22,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,72s+,62s+,52 s+,42s+,32s,A2o+,K8o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T7o+,96o+,85o+,75o +,65o,54o


    Hand 0: 27.151% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, A2o+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }

    Hand 1: 24.167% { TT-22, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, A2o+, K8o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T7o+, 96o+, 85o+, 75o+, 65o, 54o }

    Hand 2: 48.682% { AhKh }


    raise should have been to .10c not .04c which is pretty std for me not sure what i was doing there

    Flop: ($0.15, 3 players)
    jortalleres bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.20, gamblerr33 calls $0.20, jortalleres calls $0.10

    utg range:TT+,77,ATs+,As9s,As8s,As7s,As6s,As5s,As4s,As 3s,As2s,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,72s+,62s+,52 s+,42s+,32s,ATo+,K8o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o

    co range:TT-77,ATs+,As9s,As8s,As7s,As6s,As5s,As4s,As3s,As2s,K2 s+,Q9s+,Qs8s,Qs7s,Qs6s,Qs5s,Qs4s,Qs3s,Qs2s,J7s+,Js 6s,Js5s,Js4s,Js3s,Js2s,T2s+,96s+,9s5s,9s4s,9s3s,9s 2s,86s+,8s5s,8s4s,8s3s,8s2s,72s+,6s5s,6s4s,6s3s,6s 2s,5s4s,5s3s,5s2s,4s3s,4s2s,3s2s,ATo+,K8o+,Q8o+,J8 o+,T7o+,96o+,86o+,75o+


    Hand 0: 20.284% { TT+, 77, ATs+, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s,

    As4s, As3s, As2s, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, ATo+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }

    Hand 1: 23.807% { TT-77, ATs+, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s,

    As4s, As3s, As2s, K2s+, Q9s+, Qs8s, Qs7s, Qs6s, Qs5s, Qs4s, Qs3s, Qs2s, J7s+, Js6s, Js5s, Js4s, Js3s, Js2s, T2s+, 96s+, 9s5s, 9s4s, 9s3s, 9s2s, 86s+, 8s5s, 8s4s, 8s3s, 8s2s, 72s+, 6s5s, 6s4s, 6s3s, 6s2s, 5s4s, 5s3s, 5s2s, 4s3s, 4s2s, 3s2s, ATo+, K8o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T7o+, 96o+, 86o+, 75o+ }

    Hand 2: 55.909% { AhKh }


    i think my reraise here should be to like .50c as this bet size will help me to narrow both ranges and also make drawing to straight/flush unprofitable for both villains
    Turn: ($0.75, 3 players)
    jortalleres checks, Hero checks, gamblerr33 bets $0.20, jortalleres calls $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

    one of the worst turns possible for my hand, j8, qj, 86, hit straight...and all flush draws hit flush

    using flop continuing ranges i become an underdog to both

    Board: Tc 7s Ks 9s


    Hand 0: 30.533%

    { TT+, 77, ATs+, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, ATo+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }

    Hand 1: 40.083%

    { TT-77, ATs+, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, K2s+, Q9s+, Qs8s, Qs7s, Qs6s, Qs5s, Qs4s, Qs3s, Qs2s, J7s+, Js6s, Js5s, Js4s, Js3s, Js2s, T2s+, 96s+, 9s5s, 9s4s, 9s3s, 9s2s, 86s+, 8s5s, 8s4s, 8s3s, 8s2s, 72s+, 6s5s, 6s4s, 6s3s, 6s2s, 5s4s, 5s3s, 5s2s, 4s3s, 4s2s, 3s2s, ATo+, K8o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T7o+, 96o+, 86o+, 75o+ }

    Hand 2: 29.384% { AhKh }


    but i only need 14.8% to call this profitably

    so


    River: ($1.35, 3 players)
    jortalleres checks, Hero bets $0.92, gamblerr33 goes all-in $0.92, jortalleres goes all-in $1.76, Hero goes all-in $0.77

    sigh.......what a cluster fuck i turned this river into....i should be checking behind and then folding with this action as i need 42% to call here and only have 21%

    Board: Tc 7s Ks 9s 6c
    Dead:


    Hand 0: 29.328%

    { TT+, 77, ATs+, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, ATo+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }

    Hand 1: 48.829%

    { TT-77, ATs+, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, K2s+, Q9s+, Qs8s, Qs7s, Qs6s, Qs5s, Qs4s, Qs3s, Qs2s, J7s+, Js6s, Js5s, Js4s, Js3s, Js2s, T2s+, 96s+, 9s5s, 9s4s, 9s3s, 9s2s, 86s+, 8s5s, 8s4s, 8s3s, 8s2s, 72s+, 6s5s, 6s4s, 6s3s, 6s2s, 5s4s, 5s3s, 5s2s, 4s3s, 4s2s, 3s2s, ATo+, K8o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T7o+, 96o+, 86o+, 75o+ }

    Hand 2: 21.842% { AhKh }
    <yaawn> "dude you need to give up childish shit like your job, any hobbies, your girlfriend, then u'll get good"


    "I hear u screamin girl but my name aint haaarder"

  5. #5
    $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
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    6 Players
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    Stacks:
    UTG ceerte222 ($5.57)
    UTG+1 atze333 ($0.87) 40/10 over 10 hands, raises very wide range from EP
    CO Hero ($2.80) note:made of awesomness
    BTN FaustGreen ($0.93)
    SB das0 ($3.29) 64/13 over 67 hands, limps any hand with one broadway and not positionally aware and calls 50% 3bets (2/4) fwiw
    BB alefgio ($7.03)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.03, 6 players) Hero is CO
    1 fold, atze333 raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.18, 1 fold, das0 calls $0.17, 1 fold, atze333 calls $0.12

    utg+1 range:22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q6s+,J6s+,T6s+,96s+,85s+,74s+, 64s+,54s,A2o+,K6o+,Q7o+,J8o+,T7o+,96o+,85o+,74o+,6 4o+,54o

    sb range:TT+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,A2o+,K2o+,Q2o+,J2o+

    Hand 0: 23.231%

    { TT+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J2o+ }

    Hand 1: 26.929%

    { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q6s+, J6s+, T6s+, 96s+, 85s+, 74s+, 64s+, 54s, A2o+, K6o+, Q7o+, J8o+, T7o+, 96o+, 85o+, 74o+, 64o+, 54o }

    Hand 2: 49.839% { AcKc }

    i should be 3 betting to like .36c here due to the fact that both villains are calling with the same ranges for .36c that they are calling with .18c


    Flop: ($0.56, 3 players)
    das0 folds, atze333 checks, Hero bets $0.69, atze333 goes all-in $0.69

    Hand 0: 47.989%

    { 22+, AQs, A6s, A3s, KdQd, KhQh, KsQs, Kd6d, Kh6h, Ks6s, Kd3d, Kh3h, Ks3s, QcJc, QdJd, QcTc, QdTd, Qc9c, Qd9d, Qc8c, Qd8d, Qd7d, Qh7h, Qs7s, Qc6c, Qd6d, JcTc, Jc9c, Jc8c, Jc7c, J6s, Tc9c, Tc8c, Tc7c, T6s, 9c8c, 9c7c, 96s, 8c7c, 86s, 8c5c, 76s, 7c5c, 7c4c, 64s+, 5c4c, AQo, A6o, A3o, KQo, K6o, Q7o+, 96o, 86o, 76o, 64o+ }

    Hand 1: 52.011% { AcKc }


    EV = (% villain fold)(current pot) + (% villain calls)(our equity)(bet+pot) - (%villain calls)(his equity)(bet)

    ev of shoving(say he calls 50%): [(.5)(.56)]+{(.5)[(.52)(1.25)]}-{(.5)[(.48)(.69)]=.44c


    so i think i played this hand well as our shove is ahead of villains range, and given FE we are +++ev here.
    Turn: ($1.94, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($1.94, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    <yaawn> "dude you need to give up childish shit like your job, any hobbies, your girlfriend, then u'll get good"


    "I hear u screamin girl but my name aint haaarder"

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