Thats the only thing u can do man. Just ride it out.
05-20-2009 05:36 PM
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Thats the only thing u can do man. Just ride it out. | |
05-23-2009 01:37 AM
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I believe this OP is over. I'm sick of this shit. | |
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05-23-2009 01:56 AM
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Maybe instead of focusing on losses, post some hand histories where you won money and let's see if you're extracting enough value. Not getting enough money when you win is an equally important problem as minimizing the amount of money you lose. | |
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05-23-2009 07:31 PM
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Advice: | |
05-23-2009 10:03 PM
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Would dropping stakes be a bad idea? I think that crushing 5NLers for their milk money might boost your confidence, or at the very least allow you to ride out this negative variance at a lower cost. |
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05-24-2009 01:08 AM
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I will no longer play this fucking game for money. | |
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05-24-2009 01:36 AM
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Sorry to hear you are quitting man. It sucks, but I completely understand dude. If its what you gotta do, its what you gotta do. I hope you come by the forms every now and then and say whats up, check in on me when I get back from boot, all that jazz. | |
05-28-2009 11:46 AM
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So I tilted and cashed out all but $150 of the BR on Friday. I've been playing 5NL for the last few days. I'm up a couple of BIs but that's not the point of this post. | |
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05-29-2009 01:35 AM
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So I played about 900 hands at 10NL tonight. I'm down another 3.5 BIs making May down 20.5 BIs. | |
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05-29-2009 01:50 AM
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You play too tight, focus too much on big pots and probably are too sticky with the hands you're playing. | |
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05-29-2009 04:31 AM
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post shots of your general and position reports in the beginners circle. Take the advice you get on board. |
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05-29-2009 09:23 AM
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Sorry you've been frustrated lately, but I suspect you have several playing leaks and probably some major tilt problems. For starters, when I look at your session graph, I see back to back daily losses of $50. You need a bankroll of $1000 to justify losing that much in one day. Go back to page 1 of this thread and look for my post where I mentioned the same advice before, yet you're still doing it. Following good bankroll management, it's NOT normal to lose 20 buy-ins in one month, but when you pick up bad habits, all bets are off. | |
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05-29-2009 09:28 AM
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05-29-2009 09:35 AM
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It's basic bankroll management. You should NOT lose more than 5% of your bankroll in one day no matter what stakes you're playing. He has reported a bankroll lately in the $500 range, which means he should lose no more than $25 or 2.5 buy-ins per day. Bankrolls should both be built up and lost slowly. | |
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05-29-2009 09:40 AM
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Explain to me why it is wrong to lose more than 5% of your BR in one day. I dont mean say, "BUT I READ IT ON THE INTERWEBS", I mean actually go through why it is bad bankroll management + the implications it has. | |
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05-29-2009 10:08 AM
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The reasons for a daily stop loss are largely related to tilt management and discipline, which from reading this thread are qualities that would suit his operation and most other players well. Sure, technically, if you lose and move down, it's not a problem IF you are playing optimally, but let's face it, MOST players are not playing their best when they lose 5% of their roll. Many times they probably weren't playing their best on their way to losing 5% in one day and then when tilt sets in, it can be a dangerous spiral. Learning to walk away is a valuable skill and you build it into bankroll management so you don't have to think about it. | |
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05-29-2009 02:20 PM
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So I've been on the upper end of the "5%-10%" per day stop loss. I'll start using the lower end. | |
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05-29-2009 04:11 PM
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Yes, move to the low end. I've heard it's fine to put 10% in play, but not lose an entire 10%. If you had $600 @ $10NL, and lost 10% - that's 6 buy-ins. You should NOT be going through buy-ins that quickly. A full buy-in is a precious commodity in NL and if you don't have a DEEP bankroll (like 60 or more), you can't afford to lose too many and definitely not in one day. | |
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05-29-2009 05:38 PM
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Thanks Jason. I'll stay at 5NL for a while. As far as posting hands, I've been doing that all along. I've posted winning and losing hands. Here are some more. Maybe It's my betting. Who knows. | |
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05-29-2009 06:35 PM
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Hand 1 - This hand would be fine heads up, but it's a little dicey in a 3 way pot. I probably do the same thing since it's highly unlikely that villain has an 8, let alone an 98. One of the donks probably hit his flush I bet. Tough beat | |
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05-29-2009 08:22 PM
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Thanks for the detailed analysis Jason. | |
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05-29-2009 08:42 PM
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Do you pay attention to your opponents? | |
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05-30-2009 02:25 AM
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I decided tonight not to play like such a nit. Even with high VPIP players. At one table the lowest VPIP was 56. I kinda went overboard some which cost me a BI or 2. Then I settled down a bit | |
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05-30-2009 02:28 AM
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05-30-2009 06:09 AM
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Well you dont mention any reads or even stats in the hands. But with ref. to Hand 2 - the AK hand, realise that the preflop 3bettor is 3betting an UTG open so both their ranges are likely to be pretty tight if they're competent. If the 3bettor is nitty then Fnord has got a point. A good one at that. | |
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05-31-2009 03:30 AM
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Played in a home cash game tonight with $5 BI. Up 3 BIs at one time then dropped to +1 BI before I left. KQ 2 pair< JJ set, JJ set< KK set, etc. Sounds like my online games. | |
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05-31-2009 03:23 PM
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You're re-raising too small on wet boards and playing too many rivers on wet boards when you get it in on the turn. | |
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06-01-2009 12:18 PM
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Hand 1 | |
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06-01-2009 07:14 PM
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Thanks for the feedback guys. | |
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06-02-2009 12:19 AM
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06-02-2009 09:21 AM
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I'd say try to stop thinking in terms of results or if you're a good or bad player and just think about how to get better. Before you posted these hands, your posts seemed to suggest that you are just unlucky, but we've clearly illustrated many spots where you're losing value, giving away value, or just plain spewing. Focus on your next 10k hands to drastically change that. I also think there are some tilt issues @ work plus twice I've pointed out you weren't sticking to what I consider solid bankroll management. When you play, think about how your score would be with those things, and not the actual value of your bankroll. | |
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06-02-2009 10:18 AM
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06-02-2009 11:35 PM
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Over the last 1500 hands or so at 5NL I've been playing | |
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06-02-2009 11:58 PM
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May Stats for 10NL | |
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06-03-2009 12:09 AM
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You're playing too many hands from early position. | |
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06-03-2009 11:46 AM
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This is what I've been doing | |
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06-03-2009 01:43 PM
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Even when I'm playing my 24/20 Laggy-TAGG 6max style, I open < 10% of my hands UTG and only 13 - 14% MP (all for raises). |
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06-03-2009 02:13 PM
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06-03-2009 03:47 PM
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06-04-2009 01:58 AM
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I made a video of my play tonight for about 35 minutes. | |
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06-17-2009 02:00 PM
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Went on vacation for a week to the "Redneck Rivera" (i.e., Panama City Beach, Fl) | |
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06-17-2009 04:38 PM
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Nice work. Slow and steady wins the race. | |
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06-17-2009 06:23 PM
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Glad to hear it's turning around. The extra study time and hand history reviewing should pay off big time. |
06-18-2009 12:53 PM
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I'm still doing well. I'm up 3 more BIs from last night. I like to think it's because I'm playing better but I am (finally) getting some cards. This game is easy when you know you have the best hand but I guess the question is how do you know when you have the best hand. | |
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06-19-2009 01:37 PM
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Still running good. Up 6 BIs last night. Must be doing something right. | |
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06-19-2009 05:33 PM
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Woah nice! | |
06-25-2009 01:17 PM
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Thanks m2m. | |
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06-25-2009 04:11 PM
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06-25-2009 06:30 PM
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06-26-2009 02:45 AM
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It's not against BRM to redoposit money...that can actually be seen as PART of your bankroll. Your bankroll is any money you're WILLING to lose in poker. Just because you don't have it on PokerStars (or Full Tilt or whatever) doesn't mean it isn't part of your bankroll. | |
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06-26-2009 09:05 AM
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If you have solidly beat $5NL and deposit enough to give you 30 buy-ins, then I guess no one could fault you, but don't forget the sequence of events that led you here. You were playing $10NL, not getting the results you wanted, withdrew that money out of frustration, and moved down stakes. I think moving down was a good decision of which you are now seeing the fruits of your labor. I think it would be a mistake to try to circumvent the process by moving up too soon or just depositing more money. Part of the fun and proving you can beat a level is actually getting all the money to move up from beating the level. In my operation, I specifically mentioned I would only move up with money made from the stakes I was playing, using the example if I ever cashed in a large MTT or was part of a milestone hand and won a lot of money, that that money would NOT count towards my bankroll to move up. | |
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06-26-2009 02:52 PM
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Thanks for the comments. | |
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06-26-2009 03:10 PM
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There's an interesting observation I noticed in your summary. You "moved up" 4 times and only 1 of those was successful: | |
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06-26-2009 03:24 PM
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06-28-2009 01:45 AM
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Villian was 39/28/4 over 120 hands. Major table coach. | |
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06-28-2009 02:30 AM
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07-01-2009 04:25 PM
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07-02-2009 10:50 AM
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07-02-2009 11:36 AM
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Very sick and very cool - negative variance kicks us in the nuts enough that I really enjoy my heaters. I know I'm winning just because the deck of cards is assaulting me, but it helps take the sting out of coolers. |
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07-02-2009 12:58 PM
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Thanks Robb. | |
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07-02-2009 02:15 PM
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Good plan. Congrats and keep the ball rolling | |
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07-02-2009 02:21 PM
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Well done. At this rate, you'll be moving up soon. Keep crushing the tables. |
07-07-2009 11:11 AM
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Last week I added a few more stats to my HEM. Don't know why I didn't add these before. | |
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07-14-2009 03:24 PM
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Since the heater I went on a slow but steady cooler where I was break even for July. | |
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07-16-2009 01:21 AM
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A few hands from tonight | |
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07-16-2009 09:45 AM
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Just a thought, but you seem to post exclusively hands you lose, while you should probably be posting about 50% hands you win and 50% hands you lose. Try not to get fixated on not losing or just minimizing losses. Maximizing gains is equally if not can be more important. | |
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07-16-2009 10:54 AM
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07-16-2009 11:02 AM
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What was your thought process on hands 2, 3, and 4? What range did you put your opponents on? And what were both villians' stats on hand 4? Did you have any reads on any of these opponents? |
07-16-2009 11:50 AM
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07-16-2009 09:35 PM
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A few winners and losers | |
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07-18-2009 02:55 AM
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I hit 25.5 BIs tonight for 10NL and decided to move up to 10NL. I know I'm a little early than I planned but I'm at 15bb/100 hands for July at 5NL. I started 3 tabling 10NL, got bored and added another table. Once I added another table, I quit playing crap and got into the grove again as I had been 4-tabling at 5NL. It actually felt really good to move up because I felt I was more than ready. | |
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07-19-2009 03:11 AM
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I was at 30 BIs for 10NL until the last hand of the night when AA<J9o against 72/6/2 | |
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07-19-2009 03:14 AM
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Good to see things coming around, keep up the good work. Looks like you're much more focused now. | |
07-28-2009 12:34 PM
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Running 8bb/100 at 10NL but I'm swongy as hell. I need to find the fold button again. I also need to stop pushing with TP. | |
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07-28-2009 12:50 PM
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Hand 6 | |
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