Operation Rebound

What better way to start this operation than to include this image:



Okay so I've been down swinging pretty hard lately and haven't be doing to well for the past month and a bit. I really need to get things going again but I will attempt to take a more disciplined and patient approach than what I have been doing lately. (Chasing losses, playing on tilt etc)

I'm going to play 25,000 hands of 50nl FR to regain confidence and focus. If I'm not satisfied with my play at the end of the 25k hands I may just have to do it again. I will be posting hands in here and analyzing them (something I haven't done in previous operations much). Even if they are ridiculously standard I'm going to review to get my brain sharp. Hand reading is the most important skill in poker, so doing anything you can to avoid slacking in that department is definitely +EV. I'm probably going to be 10-15 tabling this so I don't expect a high win rate or anything, but I need to get back into m2mgrind mode and stray away from m2mbusto mode. Therefore I'll be multitabling well enough so it doesn't take me 6 weeks to get the damn volume in. (I still have a 4k bonus to clear fwiw)

Some things I've been slacking on that need improvement:
1. note taking
2. table selection
3. quitting
4. keeping it simple

I'm going to try and keep these 3 things in mind during this stretch of grinding. Aside from that I will be posting hands and also random theoretical shit to remind me how to analyze hands properly (mostly math/HH analysis related stuff i.e. calculating FE etc). I'll try and make this operation enjoyable and useful to micro grinders who are reading so that they can get something out of the analysis I'll be providing.

Stay tuned for updates.

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Hey buddy no doubt you'll do great. I have a question. What is #3 gutting? I don't know if that is a typo or something I'm not familiar with. At any rate I'll be stopping in to keep an eye on you!

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Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13

Hey buddy no doubt you'll do great. I have a question. What is #3 gutting? I don't know if that is a typo or something I'm not familiar with. At any rate I'll be stopping in to keep an eye on you!

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hah, misspelled 'quitting'.

kick arse for the 25k hands dude, play as well as you know how and get the grind on! re the hands, i'll look over them for sure. And enjoy watching the $4k bonus trickle in

as for quitting sessions when it's time to quit them, i hear ya

Was wondering why I saw you @ my 50nl tables

Stay away from my 50nl tables



GL man really looking forward to this

Here's a real simple tool to help you noobs analyze hands where you decided you were going to bluff without equity:

Bet/(Bet+Pot) = breakeven % for fold equity.

Example:

We bet $10 into a $20 pot as a pure bluff on the river (cards and board aren't important for the layout of the calculation). How often does our opponent need to fold for our bet to be a break even play (in a vacuum, barring and future EV gained from the times we are called)

Answer: $10/($10+$20) = 33%

So betting half pot at the end without a chance of winning if called only has to work >33% of the time to be profitable. Looks like you guys should start looking for spots where your opponents range is very weak and exploiting them by bluffing the river - that is of course if they are capable of folding their hand to begin with!

In order to improve in poker we need to go about realizing our mistakes and then once our mistakes are identified we must do what we can to eliminate them (or at the very least, minimize their frequency/severity).

So I'm going to be posting hands that I feel I misplayed, and will explain my reasoning. Reviewing hands and searching for faulty logic should help me improve and fix some leaks that I may have never noticed if it weren't for searching for them post session. A lot of these are going to be fairly simple spots, but sometimes it can be easy to misplay seemingly 'easy' spots when you're multitabling. For example, it's pretty easy to mix up your logic in a 'standard' spot when you've got 10 tables requiring attention all at once. Overall this should help me really get back on track.

I'm going to go through each hand using a simple process:
1. identify the mistake
2. attempt to construct an explanation on why the action was a mistake, providing some evidence (i.e. villains range and how he plays it) to determine the correct action

One of my goals is to start approaching poker in a more simple manner. So I'm simply going to post some hands, identify where I fucked up, and then figure out how I could have played the hand better. Easy game.



Hand 1

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($78.80)
CO ($77.20)
Button ($21.65)
Hero (SB) ($50.85)
BB ($45.85)
UTG ($50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 9
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: ($2) 4, 7, 4 (4 players)
Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50, 2 folds

Turn: ($5) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.75


In the hand I feel betting the turn is a mistake. Preflop is debatable. I would certainly isolate one limper with 99 in this spot, but being OOP to two likely splashy players is going to be a bit difficult to maneuver with a hand that's postflop equity is for the most part going to be quite static (I'd rather raise 87s here fwiw). But ignoring preflop, let's analyze postflop.

Flop bet seems totally fine. We're getting value from random 7x combos, gutshots, and ace high while at the same time protecting our hand from something like KTo that can just check and take a free card. When the BB calls this should concern us for 2 reasons. 1) we lead into 3 other players - despite the dryness of the board, its extremely unlikely the BB is going to mess around here because not only is it a limped pot, he has 2 other players left to act behind him. 2) there isn't really any air hands the BB could have, so we need to be careful with how we approach later streets.

By point 2 I simply mean, we need to evaluate how many more streets of value we will get from 7x. Because his range is pretty much 7x, air, or possibly 55,66,88 type hands that decided to check and see a flop. This is pretty much a classic WA/WB spot. Now the BB seems like a pretty straightforward reg, and I would imagine he's checking behind the turn with 7x, 66, 55 etc, and betting a fairly polarized range of 4x and air - yet there really isn't much air he can have here. So given that we're only getting another street out of the hands that we beat, and we expect him to check back those hands we beat, ideally we should be c/f'ing the turn with a plan to fire the river for value if he checks through. I don't think we need to fear being exploited much for making an exploitable c/f, because he still has to fear I'm sandbagging 4x, 77 and 44 - and since he cant get value from much worse betting a hand like 76 I expect him to check it back almost certainly. What is happening here by checking is we are putting villain into a situation where his ranges are unbalanced (given our assumptions/reads), and this lack of balance allows us to play well against his range.

Hopefully that explanation made sense. Feel free to question it or give your own opinion about this spot.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

In order to improve in poker we need to go about realizing our mistakes and then once our mistakes are identified we must do what we can to eliminate them (or at the very least, minimize their frequency/severity).

So I'm going to be posting hands that I feel I misplayed, and will explain my reasoning. Reviewing hands and searching for faulty logic should help me improve and fix some leaks that I may have never noticed if it weren't for searching for them post session. A lot of these are going to be fairly simple spots, but sometimes it can be easy to misplay seemingly 'easy' spots when you're multitabling. For example, it's pretty easy to mix up your logic in a 'standard' spot when you've got 10 tables requiring attention all at once. Overall this should help me really get back on track.

I'm going to go through each hand using a simple process:
1. identify the mistake
2. attempt to construct an explanation on why the action was a mistake, providing some evidence (i.e. villains range and how he plays it) to determine the correct action

One of my goals is to start approaching poker in a more simple manner. So I'm simply going to post some hands, identify where I fucked up, and then figure out how I could have played the hand better. Easy game.



Hand 1

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($78.80)
CO ($77.20)
Button ($21.65)
Hero (SB) ($50.85)
BB ($45.85)
UTG ($50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 9
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: ($2) 4, 7, 4 (4 players)
Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50, 2 folds

Turn: ($5) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.75


In the hand I feel betting the turn is a mistake. Preflop is debatable. I would certainly isolate one limper with 99 in this spot, but being OOP to two likely splashy players is going to be a bit difficult to maneuver with a hand that's postflop equity is for the most part going to be quite static (I'd rather raise 87s here fwiw). But ignoring preflop, let's analyze postflop.

Flop bet seems totally fine. We're getting value from random 7x combos, gutshots, and ace high while at the same time protecting our hand from something like KTo that can just check and take a free card. When the BB calls this should concern us for 2 reasons. 1) we lead into 3 other players - despite the dryness of the board, its extremely unlikely the BB is going to mess around here because not only is it a limped pot, he has 2 other players left to act behind him. 2) there isn't really any air hands the BB could have, so we need to be careful with how we approach later streets.

By point 2 I simply mean, we need to evaluate how many more streets of value we will get from 7x. Because his range is pretty much 7x, air, or possibly 55,66,88 type hands that decided to check and see a flop. This is pretty much a classic WA/WB spot. Now the BB seems like a pretty straightforward reg, and I would imagine he's checking behind the turn with 7x, 66, 55 etc, and betting a fairly polarized range of 4x and air - yet there really isn't much air he can have here. So given that we're only getting another street out of the hands that we beat, and we expect him to check back those hands we beat, ideally we should be c/f'ing the turn with a plan to fire the river for value if he checks through. I don't think we need to fear being exploited much for making an exploitable c/f, because he still has to fear I'm sandbagging 4x, 77 and 44 - and since he cant get value from much worse betting a hand like 76 I expect him to check it back almost certainly. What is happening here by checking is we are putting villain into a situation where his ranges are unbalanced (given our assumptions/reads), and this lack of balance allows us to play well against his range.

Hopefully that explanation made sense. Feel free to question it or give your own opinion about this spot.

I enjoyed that post and explanation of why checking back the turn here is good..

but wouldn't it make it a little easier to evaluate this hand with some stats and reads on the players or are we just assuming they are unknowns?

I decided to just ignore stats with the posting of this hand since they are pretty much useless.

The two limpers are of course likely loose players with wide ranges (I didn't have any specific reads on them) and the BB (I think I mentioned this) is a regular who seems fairly straightforward (I know this given his stats and how he's played so far but I just left them out). Any stats on him are going to be of little use in this situation in regards to the postflop play of this hand. He checks his BB so his range going into the flop is weaker than any two cards (because he would definitely pop it up with a big pair or strong broadway hand). When he does call my flop bet he certainly isn't on some goofy float given that he has two 'live ones' left to act behind him so his range for calling is gonna be any 4x, 44-77, 7x (possible something as weak as 33, or 65).

Yup turn c/f is good here, with fish behind he's almost certainly playing all boats and trips like this on the flop and yeah checking back close to everything you beat on this turn card. The only worse hand he can bet the turn with is going to be 56. He wont be betting this 100% of the time so if you give him like 12 combos of 56 his turn betting range wont be far off from..

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 13.545% 13.55% 00.00% 596 0.00 { 9c9s }
Hand 1: 86.455% 86.45% 00.00% 3804 0.00 { 77, 44, A4s, K4s, Q4s, J4s, T4s, 94s, 84s, 74s, 64s+, 54s, A4o, K4o, Q4o, J4o, T4o, 94o, 84o, 74o, 6c5d, 6c5h, 6c5s, 6d5h, 6d5s, 6h5d, 6h5s, 6s5h, 64o, 54o, 42o+ }

So we canadd a few more combos of like better 7s and 88 and this will still be aneasy fold once we check. Given we only get one street anyways from his weaker hands like 7x in most cases yah your plan is good. Obviously, the more of these hands he bets, the more terrible c/f the turn will be vs betting the turn, but I don't think he has enough worse made hands in his betting range to make this a real worry.

As for pre, 99 is easy strong enough for me to iso here, I'd just 5x it, expect to get the pot HU a good amount of the time and be confident actually betting 99 for value on a ton of boards vs these guys and expect them to play fit or fold post flop, continuing passively with worse pairs postflop, and never not bluffing you frequently. I basically think 99 is a high enough pair vs these to, to play alright even oop 3 ways, I think 88 is closer and 77 and worse is an easy complete.

GL with 50NL FR, I'm sure you'll feel way more confident after crushing it.

I really liked your analysis of the 99 hand, fwiw without better reads or position I think iso/limp are pretty close in terms of EV in this spot.

I am confused why you don't raise here preflop. Yeah OPP sucks, but if your against loose players who are unlikely to get tricky. I don't see you being so worried about a reg, who is also not gong to get tricky. The fact remains is that your range is ahead of those peoples calling range. Not to mention some of the time you will just pick up the dead money and for a 5x raise that a good return (this statements maybe questioned, but considering that even the average return on aces is something like 2-3bb/100). Maybe this is one of those situations where you are over thinking it. I think it was you who told me once that, a lot of difficult spots post flop comes from bad decision pre flop.

The way I look at it, if this was raised pot you are unlikely to get crazy if an over drops, will still get value of the 87s type hands that flop draws and give on turn with more action, if a ton of broadway flop and the pot is still muti way, you check fold, and still pick it up some of the time against lower pocket pairs.

I am not being harsh since im obviously a noob, but im just going to put my thoughts out their and let you demolish them.

P.S. Good luck on your operation.

I'm posting this hand simply because I don't like my cbet.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($50)
BB ($28.30)
UTG ($98.05)
Hero (MP) ($50.90)
CO ($29.45)
Button ($57.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, 9
1 fold, Hero bets $1.50, 1 fold, Button calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($5) 8, Q, 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.50

First, I have almost no equity at all when called. There just aren't any good turn cards to barrel given that any seemingly 'scary' card is actually just improving villains range. The button is a 16/12 regular who is pretty tricky and one of the more aggressive players at this level. So given that, if he has as little as a gutter or a hand with lots of backdoors he's going to be raising my cbet or floating it, and by cbetting I'm essentially just transferring money into his account. Also, it's 3 way to the flop, and the SB is going to often have a hand he doesn't want to let go either. Without any pot equity on a board that smacks my opponents ranges AND being OOP to one of them I think it's best just to give this one up and look for a better spot.

Everyone plays so weird at 50nl. It's actually quite an adjustment to move down because I'm a bit unsure of whether I can get away with some of the things I can at a higher level. I say this because people are just massive stations, and they make very bad call downs. So you really need to be careful picking your targets when it comes to bluffing. I feel as if I've been playing almost a bit too fit/fold so far, but I haven't really felt out all the regulars so I'm sure that will turn around.

Then again, not everyone is just a station. Some people are just blindly aggressive. Example: 17/14 regular with a 9% 3bet

$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Holdem
8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($63.60)
UTG+1 ($61.40)
MP1 ($50)
MP2 ($50)
CO ($55.70)
Hero ($56.05)
SB ($53.75)
BB ($151.65)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 8 players) Hero is BTN
5 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, BB raises to $4.50, Hero raises to $11, BB calls $6.50

Flop: ($22.25, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $13, BB goes all-in $140.65, Hero goes all-in $32.05

Turn: ($207.95, 2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($207.95, 2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $207.95
Hero shows a pair of Kings

BB shows high card Queen


Hero wins $109.35 (net +$53.30)

BB collects $95.60 (net -$56.05)

His c/shove here is terrible. Name a hand I am b/f'ing on this board and I'll ship you $1. Idk what inspires retarded plays like this from a winning reg. Must be watching too many red line videos or something.

So I'm going through this really weird patch of variance where my bets and raises are just getting 'played back at' on EVERY single street whenever I don't have the absolute nuts. And the times I make that call because villain reps so thin, he always has it.

I'm trying my best but it's really tough to play well when you're going through stretches like that. :/

a reg flatting Q9o to a 4bet there is pretty damn hilarious.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

So I'm going through this really weird patch of variance where my bets and raises are just getting 'played back at' on EVERY single street whenever I don't have the absolute nuts. And the times I make that call because villain reps so thin, he always has it.

I'm trying my best but it's really tough to play well when you're going through stretches like that. :/

I hate that... Running bad in this way always makes me want to stop playing, which is a huge weakness for me. I'm always impressed when great players find ways to fight through this kind of bad variance.

Good luck, hopefully you start running better soon!

Originally Posted by rpm

a reg flatting Q9o to a 4bet there is pretty damn hilarious.

yeah, only at 50nl in my experience have I come across shit like this

Originally Posted by courtiebee

I hate that... Running bad in this way always makes me want to stop playing, which is a huge weakness for me. I'm always impressed when great players find ways to fight through this kind of bad variance.

Good luck, hopefully you start running better soon!

Thanks courtiebee. I pretty much did the same thing, after making a couple bad calls I just quit (probably a good thing!) though it made me take a big hit in terms of getting volume in. Oh well, I'll grind through.

Some things I've noticed about my play recently: I haven't been punishing people enough when I have position. I need to start ramping up the aggression with positional 3betting, as well as cold calling. Also need to be alert and keep pounding on those players who steal way too wide from the button but give little resistance when played back at.

It's time to make people's life difficult if they're going to open a wide range. My non sd winnings have been pretty awful lately, and I checked my stats and my 3bet % and cold call % have been lower than usual, and I've been folding my blinds more than usual. Tomorrow I'll focus on ramping up the aggression and force people to either play pots with weak hands against me or continue to fold while I rape their open raises.

Keep it up M. I've noticed that when you are running badly it's always the tendency to become more timid since it feels like you're always getting raised or are always behind even with strong hands. Sure, there is some purpose to becoming a bit more careful when you are running like shit, but the important thing is to not let it stop you from playing optimally. Ie. It's fine to tighten up if you are wanting to stay out of more marginal spots or are getting raised a bunch, but if you have a spot where you are pushing an edge of like 55% vs 45% then continue to push it regardless of whether you have lost your last 10 flips or not.

You're clearly a good enough critical thinker to really excel in the poker world so just keep up the work.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

...and I've been folding my blinds more than usual...

I'm pretty sure this is an area I should be spending some major time reviewing and getting better at. I am ridic tight from the blinds even facing a super wide button opener...

I suppose the way to get better at this would be to look for villains who are simply folding to 3 Bets way too often when opening OTB and just 3 Bet the holy hell out of them until they adjust, and also look for villains who may not be folding to 3 bets but who are c-betting too many hands and just c/r them with hands that are strong vs their range, though this could get us into some sticky spots... Would like to hear your thoughts on how to improve on this

Originally Posted by Donachello

Keep it up M. I've noticed that when you are running badly it's always the tendency to become more timid since it feels like you're always getting raised or are always behind even with strong hands. Sure, there is some purpose to becoming a bit more careful when you are running like shit, but the important thing is to not let it stop you from playing optimally. Ie. It's fine to tighten up if you are wanting to stay out of more marginal spots or are getting raised a bunch, but if you have a spot where you are pushing an edge of like 55% vs 45% then continue to push it regardless of whether you have lost your last 10 flips or not.

You're clearly a good enough critical thinker to really excel in the poker world so just keep up the work.

thissssss is key

thanks for reminding me

if we have like 45% even in alot of spots we should be GETTING MONIES IN (unless there is a better way to play the hand). even with 45% equity we'll often have enough overlay from pot odds to justify stacking off.

Originally Posted by caddie444

I'm pretty sure this is an area I should be spending some major time reviewing and getting better at. I am ridic tight from the blinds even facing a super wide button opener...

I suppose the way to get better at this would be to look for villains who are simply folding to 3 Bets way too often when opening OTB and just 3 Bet the holy hell out of them until they adjust, and also look for villains who may not be folding to 3 bets but who are c-betting too many hands and just c/r them with hands that are strong vs their range, though this could get us into some sticky spots... Would like to hear your thoughts on how to improve on this

watch videos, do some maths, get a sweat from another player whos good at these things. attack people who fold like 80% to 3bets after opening. force them to either start playing marginal hands vs you or tighten up and give you walks. when you're otb and you have a hand you can't call but still has value, 3bet. put pressure on your opponents and don't let up until they give you a reason to.

Good luck man. Just remember a lot of players are very very envious of where you are at. Don't get too hard on yourself. Variance happens.

hand 1 - 99.
I wrote my thoughts on the hand before reading yours, they line up fairly closely - which is interesting in itself posted it anyway

pre-flop is fine - better than raising it up given that the type of players who limp pre here are also going to be calling most of their wide range if you raise - so you'll be playing a mid-pair against two loose likely stations post flop. Flop bet is fine, they'll call all sorts of weird 7x/overcard/small pair type of hands - except they won't be callng multiple streets with their weak hands. The turn overcard to your pair means you're a whole lot less likely to get turn value too - also, regardless of how bad bb is you can expect he can see that the board is paired and that you could easily have 4x. You can check-decide on the turn (based on sizing, mostly fold), given that his big blind special range is ATC you don't want to be going broke on a paired board here.

@!luck

Originally Posted by !Luck

I am confused why you don't raise here preflop.

hope i answered this above?


Hand 2 - Ad9d c-bet.
I don't mind it as much as you do, but it's definitely not a bad flop to give up on. Depends a bunch on the button's tendencies, like you say.

hand 3 - KK. nh. I really want that $1, but i'm struggling...

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

if we have like 45% even in alot of spots we should be GETTING MONIES IN (unless there is a better way to play the hand). even with 45% equity we'll often have enough overlay from pot odds to justify stacking off

I've been flatting some monster draws (gutshot+flush) with direct pot odds sometimes, when i should probably just be shoving. People don't like calling shoves without overpairs++. Just so long as you get the odds right and remember that their 3b is usually a set, not TPTK

Earlier in this thread I made a post regarding a simple way to go about estimating how often a pure bluff needs to work given a certain bet size and pot size.

An extension to this would be the semi bluff. The calculation is pretty similar to pure bluffing, however it differs slightly in that we now account for the equity we have in the pot. If we want to find the break even fold frequency of a semi-bluff, there is a pretty neat 2 step process we can adhere to. This is a pretty awesome way to roughly estimate your fold equity when semibluffing. It's simple enough that you could do this on the fly while grinding. (I give credit to spoonitnow for this btw)

Step 1: Find the b/e % of betting as if you were pure bluffing
Step 2: Subtract 10% from what you get from step 1 for every 4 outs you have

Example: Say we bet $40 into a $50 pot with an OESD. If we were simply pure bluffing, using step 1 we can see the b/e % as a pure bluff is $40/$90 = 44.4%. Now since we have 8 outs, we subtract 20% from that and voila. This bumps down our needed fold equity to about 24%!

Looks like semi-bluffing is a pretty f'in powerful weapon. Something to keep in mind is this is just a rough estimation. As our outs start increasing beyond 12 the calculation breaks down a bit regarding its accuracy. Also, if we bet more than 2x the pot it starts to get a lil off as well. Hopefully you other busto donks realize the power of semi-bluffing through what as been shown here.

<m2m> not 1 person at 50nl
<m2m> is anywhere near competent
<m2m> in fact
<m2m> 90% of the regs have downs syndrome

also this:

<m2m> i think i figured out that playing really short sessions, like 500-600 hands max
<m2m> is really awesome
<m2m> espec if u have tilt issues
<m2m> like, u only have to hold yourself together for a short period of time

playing 9-10 tables for me 500-600 hands is roughly 1 hour.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

also this:

<m2m> i think i figured out that playing really short sessions, like 500-600 hands max
<m2m> is really awesome
<m2m> espec if u have tilt issues
<m2m> like, u only have to hold yourself together for a short period of time

playing 9-10 tables for me 500-600 hands is roughly 1 hour.

capping sessions at 2hrs is great for this too. And minimising the table anytime you shove or call all-in before you even see opponent's cards.

Ok I've decided to just move back up to 100nl.

All my awesome bluff lines that are great at 100nl are MASSIVE SPEW at 50nl. And I'm too impatient to just sit and wait hands all day. I think having a few days off from playing 100nl+ though hass been good for me and I've discovered a few leaks to plug etc.

I bluffed off two stacks in my last session and it just shows I can't take this stake seriously. I def could take it serious if I had to, but I'm way too over rolled to care. I also just spew called down a couple stacks the other day because I just didn't feel lbike folding. There wasn't even logic in my calldown, it was just 'lol I call you bitch'. soooo yeah, here's the graph of what I've grinded at 50 so far:



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Keep in mind this involves me spewing MASSIVELY the last two days. Such a joke stake can't take this shit serious at all never playing it ever again. One thing I really have finally figured out though is 5bet bluffing at these stakes is completely retarded. Even if it would be the 'nut' opportunity for your opponent to 4bet bluff you, he's not going to. He's simply going to let you run his ass over until he picks up a premium hand. Players at this level don't respond well to aggression. They don't fight fire with fire, they just call when they're weak and shove when they have the nuts.

This game is easy. If we all just stopped leveling ourselves it would be more profitable. I don't consider me bypassing the 25k hands at 50nl a failure, I consider it a massive success that I feel confident moving forward, and also majorly +EV. Thanks to everyone who has been supporting me. It's time to rebound my way to mid stakes.

And remember, ANTICIPATE your next decision. If you 3bet KTo with the intention of folding to your stupid nit retarded opponents 4bet, just muck it and be done with the hand.

pre-flop is fine - better than raising it up given that the type of players who limp pre here are also going to be calling most of their wide range if you raise - so you'll be playing a mid-pair against two loose likely stations post flop

I guess I don't really get it. Calling with their wide range is fantastic right? Plus they are stations, which means if they bet you know your beat, and even on a K83tt board you can get a c bet out of them, cause they will cause u with 8x (like u said) plus 77 or some random draw, you lose to KX but that's fine. Am I this dense?

-!luck

Keep it going you'll be back to your mid stakes in no time. It's sure tilting to read your op since you added the graph. Have to scroll back and forth. Sorry to bitch!

Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13

Keep it going you'll be back to your mid stakes in no time. It's sure tilting to read your op since you added the graph. Have to scroll back and forth. Sorry to bitch!

haha my bad. should be onto page 2 soon.

Originally Posted by daven

capping sessions at 2hrs is great for this too. And minimising the table anytime you shove or call all-in before you even see opponent's cards.

This is why I stack tables sometimes. Shove/call all-in and put another table up front imo.

YouTube - The Roots ft. John Legend - The Fire (With Lyrics) [HQ HD CDQ]

this really helped me focus for my last session

thanks surviva

every time I get my stack in I lose

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so someone complained about my last grinderschool video because they had to go out of their way to turn up their volume on their headphones to hear me speak. that kind of bullshit makes me never want to make another video again. if you can't hear me in my videos, turn up your volume. if your volume doesn't get high enough, that's your problem. if you dislike my videos and feel you aren't getting enough out of them, do something else/watch someone else.

i spent $40 on a mic and it turned out to be a huge piece of shit so now i use the mic with my webcam. if you want the sound to be louder so you don't have to go out of your way to turn the volume up to hear me please send me some money so i can buy a new mic otherwise deal with it. im not getting paid enough to make a living doing these videos so it's really just me volunteering my time and knowledge for a little side cash to help out guys who need help. and when you guys say shit that makes me never want to produce another video again, its going to be really easy for me to just stop since i can just play poker as an alternative to video making. ill also say fuck as much as i fucking want in a video because 1) its adult content to begin with and 2) full ring is boring as fuck and i need to say something for filler. if you don't like hearing the f bomb because you have sensitive ears or something maybe gambling for income isn't for you if you're easily offended by language which isn't even directed at you.





to quote what im talking about:

"a couple of more general comments on video:

the volume was low. had to turn volume up all the way and put on earphones to hear well.

also, my preference is that you don't use so many f-bombs in the videos"

lolol

A+ imo.

PS. your mic was fine on skype
<3

thanks DC

in other news ive started listening only to coldplay while grinding. seems to keep me in line for the most part.

hahahaha i want to resubscribe to GS if their videos contain F-bombs these days. seriously though, "my preference is that you don't use so many f-bombs in the videos", what a nit.

Random post to get this to a second page. But man you seem so angry at the whole videos thing...............hopeful that anger doesn't permeate into your game.

GL though.

Yeah I'm pretty sure he didn't mean to offend me or anything. I had a bad week so I kind of took it the wrong way.

Anyway, one thing I pretty much suck ass at/don't even do nearly half the time is review my sessions! This is unacceptable. If I am playing with the same people all the time and not taking notes on the big hands I play with them how the hell am I going to expect to do well? No wonder results have been awful lately. I'm going to make an effort to put in thorough session reviews from this point on because surely it's an effective way to improve one's game. I'm thinking of taking the approach of reviewing every pot that was greater than 20bb's, then taking notes from there in my PT3 notes database and have them import onto my HUD so I can reference them easily while in play. This should be a good way of catching any bad habits I may be falling into.

Any suggestions for an improved style of session review would be awesome.

Lol M, your rage rants are golden imo, fuck these guys fuck them to fuck, nam sayin?

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

YouTube - The Roots ft. John Legend - The Fire (With Lyrics) [HQ HD CDQ]

this really helped me focus for my last session

thanks surviva

I'm going to their concert...WOOT

STFU BooG.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Any suggestions for an improved style of session review would be awesome.

occasionally review a session for all hands where you won/lost >4BB = either you 3b/called a 3b pre OR put in money post-flop. Takes ages. Probably worth it, say, once a week or so.

review one reg for leaks each day - not something I do, something i read on suitedaces

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

to quote what im talking about:

"a couple of more general comments on video:

the volume was low. had to turn volume up all the way and put on earphones to hear well.

also, my preference is that you don't use so many f-bombs in the videos"

Tell this fucking fucker to fuck off and to go back to fucking Fuckville!

I'll probably buy another subscription just to watch your videos bro!

Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13

I'll probably buy another subscription just to watch your videos bro!

This is why I re joined for a couple of months.

Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13

Tell this fucking fucker to fuck off and to go back to fucking Fuckville!

Haha. Yeah, what a turd comment about his video. Don't drop so many f-bombs? WTF. It's online poker not a fucking pre-school etiquette class. I'm a have to checkout GS again one of these days.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Yeah I'm pretty sure he didn't mean to offend me or anything. I had a bad week so I kind of took it the wrong way.

Anyway, one thing I pretty much suck ass at/don't even do nearly half the time is review my sessions! This is unacceptable. If I am playing with the same people all the time and not taking notes on the big hands I play with them how the hell am I going to expect to do well? No wonder results have been awful lately. I'm going to make an effort to put in thorough session reviews from this point on because surely it's an effective way to improve one's game. I'm thinking of taking the approach of reviewing every pot that was greater than 20bb's, then taking notes from there in my PT3 notes database and have them import onto my HUD so I can reference them easily while in play. This should be a good way of catching any bad habits I may be falling into.

Any suggestions for an improved style of session review would be awesome.

The filter will be easier if you search for hands where you won/lost 10bb instead.

thx spoon

also I find it quite awesome my vulgar language is encouraging more people to sign up for a GS account. I should really ask for a raise.

The more vulgar the better. Start calling people cunts and niggers and watch the students flow in like kids at a Justin Bieber concert.

The Howard Stern of Grinderschool.

Probably taking a break from NLHE cash as soon as my bonus is clear. Will be indefinite.

k whatever I'll admit it

im addicted to coke

does your nose rattle when you shake your head?

whooooooooooops. I meant coca-cola :P

also, may I present to you the 'bluff-call'. This is the kind of play elite players need in their arsenal.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 10.5 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t2090)
Hero (SB) (t910)

Hero's M: 12.13

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4, 3
Hero calls t25, BB checks

Flop: (t100) 2, K, 9 (2 players)
BB bets t250, Hero raises to t860 (All-In), BB calls t610

Turn: (t1820) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1820) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t1820

Results:
Hero had 4, 3 (flush, King high).
BB had 7, 4 (one pair, twos).
Outcome: Hero won t1820

guess he realized after he needs the suits to match, not just the color

Going to have to make 8 tables of full ring the maximum until I turn things around.

8 tabling is going better. I'm actually starting to acquire reads like I used to back in the day when I'd win money. The only problem with this is I'm more likely to do FPS'ing shit. However, I think it's still for the best given playing too many tables on auto-pilot is a sure way to disaster.

Volume has been slacking big time lately, but I've had to make some quits early due to being so prone to tilt. Also have been jumping around a bunch of games I'm not familiar with like LHE, PL, and HU SNG's.

In other news my next Grinderschool video coming out is going to be my first hand history review vid. I put alot of effort into it and I think it's my best one so far so hopefully you guys watch it and enjoy.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

k whatever I'll admit it

im addicted to coke

God I wish this was true.

Also, stop being a faggot and whining in your OP. If you'll note, on page 1 when you were all upbeat and confident people responded. Now that you're being a despondent little whore you're getting one liners.

On that note. Drugs ftw! etc

Run better!

What the hell are you guys talking about? Specifically, Dranger what the hell are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

What the hell are you guys talking about? Specifically, Dranger what the hell are you talking about?

This:

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Probably taking a break from NLHE cash as soon as my bonus is clear. Will be indefinite.

and this:

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Going to have to make 8 tables of full ring the maximum until I turn things around.

Sorry, your post before last was semi upbeat, but it really seems like you vent/tilt a lot in your blogs when you almost always say thats something you're going to avoid in your next big op. I mean I did the same thing, but it just gets really boring reading about you whining about how bad you're running/playing etc.

I think the theoretical stuff and posting hands is great and definitely keep it up, but just cut out the crap where you say you're going to quit nlhe, etc.

Idk was in a hater mood this morning due to hangover. Sorry if I rubbed the sand in your vag the wrong way.

<3 eDrama

Originally Posted by dranger7070

Sorry, your post before last was semi upbeat, but it really seems like you vent/tilt a lot in your blogs when you almost always say thats something you're going to avoid in your next big op. I mean I did the same thing, but it just gets really boring reading about you whining about how bad you're running/playing etc.

oh no one post where there may be the implied notion that I'm complaining, yet all I did was simply state I am dropping the number of tables to improve the quality of my play. I didn't say anything about how I run. maybe if you weren't high 24/7 you'd be able to read my post more proficiently. I haven't posted even one hand I lost in this thread.

I think the theoretical stuff and posting hands is great and definitely keep it up, but just cut out the crap where you say you're going to quit nlhe, etc.

where did I say I was qutting nlhe?

Idk was in a hater mood this morning due to hangover. Sorry if I rubbed the sand in your vag the wrong way.

go hate on some other busto fucks blog then and stay the fuck out of mine

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Originally Posted by Donachello

I lol'd so hard irl.

Nh sir.

you're not even very positive!!

Get trolled, abuse ops in IRC. Standard.

if you feel you were abused take it up with spoon

Im prob going to get flamed to hell... but my intent is good.

Anger and intolerance are the enemies of correct understanding.
Mohandas Gandhi

Whatever you are dealing with I hope you get through it. For whatever reason your tone of posts has changed significantly. I cannot know if this is the result of your run bad or the cause of it. In your previous operations you were trying to work out as well as play poker, are you still trying to work out? If not, it might help you clear your head a bit.

In any case, good luck.

Point out specifically where I say I am running bad on this page please. I fail to see where I mention this yet everyone keeps saying that I'm running bad.

YouTube - Whale song serenade (soothing relaxing original music)

This may help you, my son. I hope you find your way.

"Okay so I've been down swinging pretty hard lately and haven't be doing to well for the past month and a bit"

If my understanding of your situation is way off, then I am sorry. The written words sometimes come off differently than intended. So I retract all my comments, except, I still wish you luck man.

Originally Posted by !Luck

"Okay so I've been down swinging pretty hard lately and haven't be doing to well for the past month and a bit"

If my understanding of your situation is way off, then I am sorry. The written words sometimes come off differently than intended. So I retract all my comments, except, I still wish you luck man.

so where was it I said this, page 1?

we're on page 2 now fyi