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  1. #76
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    Noted. Good luck.
  2. #77
    *laughs hysterically*

    I can't believe you're taking me seriously on this.

    I'm going to backhand you so hard when I meet you irl for allowing yourself to be trolled by a stoner.
  3. #78
    Oh and, if you have your shit set to 100 posts per page, we're still on page 1.
  4. #79
    lol

    yeah i got pwned
  5. #80
    Let's face it, me coming after you is about as likely as spoon suddenly liking me.
  6. #81
    I THIink yoo need to stop running so bad and to not tilt in these things where people will tilt always mostly. I AM WISH you luck but you need to stop anger so much on hate these members who trying to help you.
  7. #82
    wrong account brah
  8. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters View Post
    I THIink yoo need to stop running so bad and to not tilt in these things where people will tilt always mostly. I AM WISH you luck but you need to stop anger so much on hate these members who trying to help you.
    Absolute gold
    [00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
    [00:30] <DC> daven
    [00:30] <DC> on my hand?
    [00:30] <daven> yep
    [00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
    [00:30] <daven> nice reason
    [00:30] <daven> no further questions
    [00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

    Problem officer...?
  9. #84
    So I've decided to take a new approach to note taking. With regards to fish/unknowns, I'll take note of anything useful in my stars notes box. For any note on a reg that has to do with a specific hand played, I'm going to mark the hand for review in PT3. Following that I'm going to take all my notes post session so it won't interfere with me paying, and then use the note pop-up on my HUD to display them while at the table. This should make it easier to multi-table as well. I've also been much better at controlling my spew lately so horrah. Now it's time to get stronger reads on my opposition.
  10. #85
    Now that sir, is a mighty fan blog post. Good idea for sure.
  11. #86
    yeah how sick is that eh? I even thought of it myself. I should patent the name for such note taking.
  12. #87
    PLO is a bit of a mindfuck!
  13. #88
    Never buy the 4k bonus, ever! -4k at the tables since I unlocked that curse!
  14. #89
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: bonus

    >i have a request and i hope it can at least be considered.
    >
    >i hear that bonuses will become instant as of october first. i purchased
    the 4k
    >bonus near the beginning of the month. since then, I am down 4k at the
    tables
    >
    >im going to have to move down to lower stakes and grind it out there until
    i can
    >get my 4k bonus cashed. so it would be beneficial to each of us if its
    possible
    >to just credit it to my account now because i will be able to play higher
    games
    >and pay more in rake to you. please stars i beg you to let me just have it
    now.
    >i have grinded so hard for it and for nothing...as ive just been losing money
    >ever since. this has been the most grueling process ever trying to clear it
    and
    >ive been nothing but upset the whole time about how the bonus doomswitch
    >actually seems to be true. please please please please stars i have been a
    loyal
    >player for well over a year now and i plan on staying here as long as i
    can. if
    >thinks get better ill be able to shoot for 300k milestone this year but so far
    >things dont look good . im hoping you can give me a break one time and
    apply the
    >bonus to my account in october just like it would if i bought it then. if i
    knew
    >i could have purchased it instantly in october i would have waited so i didnt
    >have to suffer through all this pain.
    >
    >thank you for taking the time to read and consider my proposition
    >
    >-newguy89





    Subject: RE: bonus

    Hello Ryan,

    I've cancelled your VIP Reward bonus and refunded your FPPs. You'll be able
    to purchase a new VIP Reward Bonus tomorrow with these FPPs that rewards you
    instantly.

    Cheers,
    SteveD
    PokerStars VIP Team



    so my desperate plea worked, and the curse is gone.

    THANK YOU STARS SUPPORT IN HELPING ME ROBUSTO ONE TIME. GOD REALLY DOES EXIST!
  15. #90
    dude way cool. I have to say when I was reading your email it made me think of a scene from a show where Will Smith goes busto in a casino and then tries to convince the owner he should give him his money back....Made me laugh irl!

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  17. #92
    oh snap!
  18. #93
    Holy Shit. I can't believe they dd that. NH

    Think this'll work?

    TO: Pokerstars
    FROM: Sasquach991

    I can't seem to win at 25NL on your site and I'm a loyal customer. Could you just bump my BR up to about $2500 so I can play 50NL?

    Thanks,
    Sasquach991
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    ...we've all learned long ago how to share the truth without actually having the truth.
  19. #94
    nooo wayyy. is that furreal?
  20. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post

    THANK YOU STARS SUPPORT IN HELPING ME ROBUSTO ONE TIME. GOD REALLY DOES EXIST!
    Sorry M2M but I don't think the pleading was necessary I emailed stars a while ago asking what would happen if you failed to clear the larger bonuses and here's what they replied:

    "
    If you do not earn the required amount of VPPs, you can have us
    cancel the bonus and get the FPPs refunded.

    If you need assistance with anything else, please do not hesitate to
    contact us as we will gladly assist you 24/7.

    Regards,

    William
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  21. #96
    haha

    srsly tho trying to clear the 4k bonus is hell. I would go further than writing a plea to get out of it.

    stars support is awesome they actually care about their customers, unlike ftp etc. they tend to make good decisions though when it comes to doing whats right for their business.
    Last edited by Micro2Macro; 09-30-2010 at 09:19 PM.
  22. #97
    Sigh. Stars is such win. FTP introduces a new awards system that only barely benefits their players while Stars is sucking ur dick and cleaning up.
    Ich grolle nicht...
  23. #98
    <3 stars
  24. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Illfavor View Post
    Sigh. Stars is such win. FTP introduces a new awards system that only barely benefits their players while Stars is sucking ur dick and cleaning up.
    *swallowing
  25. #100
    Lol @ thinking stars spits.
  26. #101
    So I'm makin' a run at PLO. Watch out omaha grinders!

    edit: sick awesome post to kick off a new page. gonna dedicate all further updates to PLO now till page changes.
  27. #102
    I'll post some fun hands since I can't give any advice on plols

    $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
    9 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    Hero ($5)
    UTG+1 ($8.38)
    MP1 ($4.85)
    MP2 ($0.69)
    MP3 ($1)
    CO ($3.91)
    BTN ($4.87)
    SB ($0.56)
    BB ($1.69)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.03, 9 players) Hero is UTG
    Hero raises to $0.07, UTG+1 calls $0.07, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.07, CO raises to $0.20, 1 fold, SB calls $0.19, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.96, UTG+1 folds, MP3 goes all-in $1, CO calls $0.80, SB goes all-in $0.36, Hero calls $0.04

    Flop: ($3.65, 4 players, 2 all-in)
    Hero bets $3.47, CO goes all-in $2.91

    Turn: ($10.03, 4 players, 3 all-in)

    River: ($10.03, 4 players, 3 all-in)

    Final Pot: $10.03
    Hero shows a flush, Ace high

    MP3 shows two pair, Eights and Deuces

    CO shows a flush, King high

    SB shows a straight, Four to Eight


    Hero wins $9.57 (net +$5.10)

    UTG+1 lost $0.07
    MP3 lost $1
    CO lost $3.91
    SB lost $0.56

    decided to give full ring a shot and it's lol soft (then again this is 2plo) but unfortunately full ring games don't really run higher up :/

    so on to 6max it is!
  28. #103
    Pro tip: freeroll others when you flop the nuts

    $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($1.52)
    CO ($1.96)
    BTN ($3.04)
    SB ($3.83)
    Hero ($5.33)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.03, 5 players) Hero is BB
    1 fold, CO calls $0.02, BTN raises to $0.04, SB calls $0.03, Hero calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02

    Flop: ($0.16, 4 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.15, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.36, Hero raises to $1.24, SB goes all-in $3.79, Hero calls $2.55

    Turn: ($7.74, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($7.74, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $7.74
    SB shows a straight, Six to Ten

    Hero shows a flush, King high


    Hero wins $7.36 (net +$3.53)

    CO lost $0.04
    BTN lost $0.04
    SB lost $3.83
  29. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post
    Pro tip: freeroll others when you flop the nuts
    pretty much the secret to plol

    have fun tilting, that game is so sick
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  30. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by courtiebee View Post
    pretty much the secret to plol

    have fun tilting, that game is so sick
    i've reached a new plateau in my poker career where i enjoy getting my stack in the middle and losing the pot, so i imagine i will!
  31. #106
    I was actually just going to ask why you were playing FR PLO. That has to be the ultimate nut camping game.
  32. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by dranger7070 View Post
    I was actually just going to ask why you were playing FR PLO. That has to be the ultimate nut camping game.
    yeah it really is lol
  33. #108
    Play 6m imo
  34. #109
    [ ] CBAT reads whole thread
  35. #110
    [ ] cbat can read
  36. #111
    [x] cbat reads page 3 -_-
  37. #112
    success, now lets hu plo for rolls
  38. #113
    PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB ($5)
    Hero (BB) ($5)
    UTG ($0.43)
    UTG+1 ($1.76)
    MP1 ($2.36)
    MP2 ($2.35)
    CO ($5)
    Button ($1.68)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, A, 9, 8
    3 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

    Flop: ($0.08) 9, 5, 10 (4 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.08, 1 fold, CO calls $0.08, SB calls $0.08

    Turn: ($0.32) 7 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.31, CO calls $0.31, 1 fold

    River: ($0.94) 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

    Total pot: $2.74 | Rake: $0.13

    Results:
    Hero had 10, A, 9, 8 (two pair, tens and nines).
    CO had 3, 8, 2, 2 (two pair, fives and twos).
    Outcome: Hero won $2.61

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  39. #114
    PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (MP) ($5.68)
    Button ($5.02)
    SB ($3.39)
    BB ($3.74)
    UTG ($2.52)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 9, A, 6, A
    1 fold, Hero bets $0.07, Button raises to $0.20, SB calls $0.19, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.82, 1 fold, SB calls $0.62

    Flop: ($1.86) 3, Q, 4 (2 players)
    SB bets $1.77, Hero raises to $4.86 (All-In), SB calls $0.80 (All-In)

    Turn: ($7) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: ($7) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: $7 | Rake: $0.34

    Results:
    SB had 5, 10, K, J (flush, Jack high).
    Hero had 9, A, 6, A (flush, Ace high).
    Outcome: Hero won $6.66

    interesting
  40. #115
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    can you delete the "outcome" part? That shit is scary
  41. #116
    lmao
  42. #117
    The following is a post specifc for SSNL players (50nl-200nl). If you play lower disregard this advice.

    DO NOT READ THIS POST IF SPEWING MADLY IS ALREADY A PROBLEM FOR YOU


    ENJOY



    So you may notice the games these days are nitty or taggy or full of regs or whatever the fuck you want to call it. This is a good thing for two reasons:

    1) SSNL regs suck
    2) SSNL regs suck because they are huge pussy bitches and don't wanna mess with other regs

    Yeah that's right. The majority of SSNL players are weak tight helpless nits who can't value bet worth shit and will piss their pants if you 3bet them. So here's what I'm going to suggest you do to begin running the streets in these games - MAKE EVERYONE YOU PLAY WITH YOUR BITCH. that's right, EVERYONE. Every single player you play against is YOUR BITCH. You run the streets. You control what happens in this poker game, not them. You are the one who will play fearlessly aggressive and never, EVER take shit from anyone.

    If someone decides to finally take a stand against you - fuck that bitch. He's still a bitch, and you aren't going to put up with someone fighting back at you because you run the streets. You're the big dog. You're the one everyone FEARS. No one, I repeat, NO ONE is going to stop you from making them your helpless prison bitch. If people start 3betting you because you're opening a wide range, 4 BET. If people start 4betting you light because you are 3betting them to death - FUCK THAT PUSSY ASS BITCH WHO THINKS HE CAN GET AWAY WITH THAT SHIT, YOU BETTER BE SHOVING THOSE CHIPS IN OVER TOP WITH IMPUNITY.

    So you can sit there and keep folding, waiting for your aces or set, then have your opponent fold when you show action. OR, you could start picking on the hundreds of people who are playing just like this these days and making them your mother fucking prison cock sucking bitch.

    Get out their and kill people for chips. This ain't poker, it's fucking warfare. You're going to be playing with the same regulars all the time if you are a full time player. It's time to set the tone. It's time to show others you are NOT to be fucked with. DO NOT TAKE SHIT FROM SOME PUSSY ASS 100NL NIT TAG. DO NOT TAKE SHIT FROM SOME WANNABE LAGFUCK WHO THINKS HE KNOWS HOW TO RUN THE STREETS. Don't worry about making a bit of a spewy 3bet or 4bet - it's good for your image, and it allows you to gather reads and show people you aren't to be fucked with.

    You run the streets. You run every table you sit down at, and you my friend, are going to win all that money when it's all said and done because by the time you get the message across that you aren't to be fucked with, people are just gonna play pussy ass poker against you and forever turn their hand face up.


    Here's some examples of running the streets. Hopefully you guys will take something from this:


    Lesson 1: The 5bet Bluff (great for image)

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    BB ($293.35)
    UTG ($138.45)
    MP1 ($206.25)
    MP2 ($240)
    CO ($200)
    Button ($100)
    Hero (SB) ($200)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A, 3
    3 folds, CO bets $5, 1 fold, Hero raises to $19, 1 fold, CO raises to $46, Hero raises to $200 (All-In), CO calls $154 (All-In)

    Flop: ($402) A, 5, Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Turn: ($402) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: ($402) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: $402 | Rake: $3

    this bitch thinks he can 4bet me (has done so quite frequently in recent sessions) so clearly I won't stand for that shit. Of course he did happen to have the K K this time, but the poker gods were on my side because I showed the table I wasn't a bitch. This guy is my newest prison bitch.


    Lesson 2:
    The Mississippi Bluff (very effective way to run your ho off the street)

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (MP2) ($207.15)
    CO ($323.85)
    Button ($228.85)
    SB ($141.40)
    BB ($200)
    UTG ($232.70)
    UTG+1 ($323.15)
    MP1 ($337.10)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T, T
    UTG bets $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $6, 4 folds

    Flop: ($15) Q, 3, 4 (2 players)
    UTG bets $9, Hero calls $9

    Turn: ($33) 7 (2 players)
    UTG bets $20, Hero calls $20

    River: ($73) Q (2 players)
    UTG bets $50, Hero raises to $172.15 (All-In), 1 fold

    Total pot: $173 | Rake: $3

    Then there's this fellow who has been value betting quite thin against me in the recent past. Hmmm, a slightly smarter reg, but still a huge bitch IMO. I won't take shit from people who think they can 3barrel KK here for value - and if he has a Q, hell, he'll probably just fold like a huge bitch because he doesn't wanna get stacked. If you ever find yourself against as player who will barrel for thin value + bluffs, just run a Mississippi bluff on their ass and leave them with a tough river decision.


    Lesson 3:
    The Fuck Your Range I Bet Bluff (if you get looked up, at least your opponent knows who the boss it)

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG ($200)
    UTG+1 ($200)
    MP1 ($157.80)
    MP2 ($141.50)
    MP3 ($210.45)
    CO ($227.35)
    Hero (Button) ($232.05)
    SB ($201)
    BB ($200)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, A
    UTG bets $6, 4 folds, CO calls $6, Hero calls $6, 2 folds

    Flop: ($21) 2, 5, J (3 players)
    UTG bets $12, 1 fold, Hero calls $12

    Turn: ($45) K (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $28, UTG calls $28

    River: ($101) 6 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $68, 1 fold

    Total pot: $101 | Rake: $3

    This tag fish clearly just hit a K when he checks his ideal barrel card for tag fishes. This guy in particular just doesn't like putting much money in without the nizzles. If you want to make people your bitch you need to show them that there is no cheap showdown. This is a bit of a leveling spot because villains hand is face up and he knows I know this. Be careful in such situations and really know who you're up against.

    Anyway hope you guys enjoyed that. Remember, once people realize you're a crazy mother fucker and always bluff shoving on their ass you'll start seeing some bizarre call downs. This should be expected, after all, calling is a passive bitch move and your newly found bitches will love to do it to combat your aggression. This is the point where you make some adjustments and start value betting them thinner and thinner. You'll end up value betting hands you will NEVER be expected to value bet - and THIS is when you will start to confuse your opponents and have them slide right into bitch mode of waiting for aces or a set to deal with your aggression. If you've been complaining that you can never get 3 streets of value with your TPTK, I have presented a solution to your problem. Create a crazy aggressive image, then sit back and print money as people begin to hero call you when you have it.

    Remember: bluff the bitches, value bet the suspicious. Good luck!
    Last edited by Micro2Macro; 10-18-2010 at 11:35 PM.
  43. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post

    DO NOT READ THIS POST IF SPEWING MADLY IS ALREADY A PROBLEM FOR YOU

    am confused why you linked me to this post
  44. #119
    PS: hand three is awesomely gross. it's like a snap check back for me lol
  45. #120
    yeah I'm not saying these hands were well played at all lol (I think h2 is for sure though) but I felt they helped deliver the message I was trying to reach effectively.

    In h3 vs a really good player I'm most likely giving up river since I rep such a thin range. It's hard for me to have air, though.
  46. #121
    So I play stakes too low to take your advice and doubt I could ever do it effectively anyway, but I just want to say that's one of the most awesome posts I've ever read on FTR lol.
  47. #122
    haha thanks. I think I set the record for the number of times 'bitch' is said in a single post on the forum.
  48. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post
    Remember: bluff the bitches, value bet the suspicious.
    awesome
    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord View Post
    Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.

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  49. #124
    Well I said I was going to keep this page specific to PLO but I've been spending more time on NLHE lately so I guess I'll just talk about that lol.

    I decided to have a HU battle with a HU regular today. Despite losing 3 buyins, I actually had a ton of fun. My plan going into the match was to say focused, breathe, and avoid any tilt atall costs. My main focus was on game flow and how that affects my decisions when it comes to running bluffs, or making that super thin value bet. After reviewing my hands I am actually extremely satisfied with how I played, which is a new feeling for me because I usually feel like I butcher HU death matches with other regs to shit. I guess all those Phil Galfond videos are really starting to sink in for me.

    I felt very in control of the match despite him running good at sd's (stacked my KK all in pre with 88, got in nut flush draw on flop in 3bet pot my top pair didn't hold to name a few) but man, that just really doesn't matter in a game as sick as poker. What really matters is keeping your head in the game and not letting a couple coolers swing the momentum of the match. Even though I was down money the entire time we played, I definitely won in my mind somehow because I've never felt so good about not winning before.

    I made sure to adhere to my advice from my latest blog post about making your opponent your bitch. I certainly did just that imo, after all, I won the war of creating a positive red line (something I never used to be able to do). I think villain played pretty well and solid overall, but def had some pretty obvious leaks that I was constantly exploiting. I think a lot of this had to do with the image I created near the beginning of the match.

    I won't get too specific into my newly refound HU strategy, but a lot of it has to do with making image based plays early in the match as cheaply as possible, and then using your image to lead way towards severe pwnage so that you force your opponent to play as predictably as possible, while remaining as unpredictable as you can yourself. I guess that's just obvious HU strat (ldo) but I think a lot of small stakes players just ignore image when playing altogether. When playing against a thinking opponent heads up you just can't ignore how he perceives your play. If you do you're just gonna get seriously owned.

    My overall stats for the match were 54/45 with a 21% 3bet. Won money at showdown was a mere 27% looooool. Clearly not my day for the run good but I am very satisfied with how I kept my head in the game and did my very best to deny momentum to my opponent. I think it's safe to say I was no where even near self-destructive tilting that troubled my HU game in the past.

    Today was a good step forward. I bet a lot of you wouldn't ever think that after a losing day according to your graph either.
    Pro tip: Look beyond the numbers.
    Last edited by Micro2Macro; 10-20-2010 at 04:37 AM.
  50. #125
    HU4rollz?

    Haha not for rolls, but we should play some 10nl or something sometime.
    Ich grolle nicht...
  51. #126
    More real talk from m2m. Keep up the blog it's inspiring.
  52. #127
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    I just read your "bitch" blog post. I've been meaning to read it forever now, but never got around to it...possibly because I'm a bitch. Needless to say, that post was the SHIT.
    That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
  53. #128
    heh, glad you enjoyed it.
  54. #129
    I feel as if my game is undergoing some major transition. It's a process, that's for sure. But lately every single day I've just been discovering/re-discovering things about poker and my brain feels like it is on fire. IDK how well I am going to be able to put this into words but I'll just ramble a little bit here and leave you scratching your heads.

    Here's my take on 'Theory':

    Sometimes you just need to step outside the fucking box. Yeah that's right, get outside you drone. Videos and forums have constantly preached at you to think in a one dimensional way. You are a clone like bi-product of reading words written by strangers and then believing, accepting, and implementing what your digest into your so called poker game. I say fuck what you heard. Drop what you learned from the forums and videos (posts like this are meant to exagerate a point so like, don't literally do this lol) and start to take shit into your OWN hands. Start looking for spots to take lines you've never taken before against your regular opponents if you find they aren't giving up much to you. Your image is important for your bottom line and you'd be surprised about how some people will react if they think you are 'bad'.

    When was the last time you raised a cbet with JT on J62r?

    I bet you never have you uncreative piece of sloth.Because that wouldn't be the optimal way to play the hand right? You want to make the standard play right? The one you feel comfortable with? The one your regular opponents EXPECT YOU TO MAKE. This is sort of an example of theory in a vacuum. It's certainly easy to tell someone what the so called 'optimal' way to play a hand is just by looking at a hand history you posted on the forum (most players would always flat call here). But does that hand history really tell the whole story? Go back and read Sklansky's Theory of Poker because you seriously just missed something.

    So you continue to make the plays, you are expected to make, 100 percent of the time. You occasionally take some money off the regulars who are too dumb or spewy to notice your hand is often face up, and you crush the fish with your solid fundamentals. But is this really enough? Will this carry you further in poker? Or will you be grinding .5/1 for the next 3 years? How can we move beyond SSNL with this fundamental base of knowledge? I'm not fully qualified to tell you how to beat MSNL or HSNL. But I'm currently in a transition from SSNL-MSNL and I am constantly questioning the way I think and trying to construct a better way of thinking for the challenges that lay ahead. My game plan and playing style is undergoing some construction, so I may not be filling in all the blanks here in this post of what is on my mind.

    In the JT hand example I believe the optimal play is to raise a certain % of the time. (But who the fuck actually deviates from their standard plays right?) The question of when to mix it up and why simply can't be answered just given a hand history and no further data. You just have to figure that out for yourself. Playing your hands in that 'standard' way every single time is not going to make you a tough regular who is capable of anything. It's going to make you an easily readable tag-fish robot who will get eaten the fuck up by anyone with half a god damn brain. Fortunately everyone sucks huge donkey dick at SSNL so you don't have to get too creative to survive.

    Poker isn't played in a vacuum. You probably hear this all the time. I read it all the time from when I first started till the time I wrote this post. But do you really understand it? Just asking yourself the question isn't how you will find out. Try taking some weird lines in your game next time you play against the regulars you play against the most (preferably the better ones) and you might learn a thing or two.

    Nw you might ask, 'well why would I ever choose a play with lower EV over one with higher EV'?. If you ask this question you aren't thinking outside the box and are misinterpreting Expected Value IMO. I'm not saying you should be ditching higher EV plays consistently (in fact you may discover some of the 'non standard' ways to play a hand turn out to be more profitable in a vacuum). Pick your spots and always have a good reason for what you do.
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    Totally agree. I've been coming to the same conclusion lately. All those regs read the same shit on how to play what and what the "optimal" line to take is. Usually they all use the same lines on eachother all day long, day after day. When somebody pulls out some wacky shit they are unfamiliar with they make mistakes. And as you said most of them can't or wont adjust. Have to take them out of their comfort zone. Now I just have to figure out HOW to do that .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post
    When was the last time you raised a cbet with JT on J62r?
    September but that's cos i call (rather than raise) sets on two tone JT6 often enough that regs know it

    nice post. Maybe worth emphasising that experimentation is cool, but huge experimentation (i.e. running non-standard every chance you get) can cause problems and sometimes it's worth dropping a stake to start exploring these ideas - speaking from very costly experience here
    Last edited by daven; 10-25-2010 at 09:24 PM.
  57. #132
    You won't know whether you're taking it too far or not until you just do it :P
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    I dont play poker as well as you but if it is like boxing (which I think it is) and many facets of life come to think of it then your post in 100000% per cent correct. The very best in anything always do things outside of the norm and against convention. Floyd Mayweather and Roy Jones are the finest examples of this.
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    Man poker is so much like a sport
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    Reading sauce's view of Durrrr is another primary example of this. He cannot understand why Durrrr does some of the "shit" plays he makes. But that's why Durrrr is the best - he's original and improvisational. Like Bruce Lee says "be water, my friend". Being "water" is probably why an optimal cash game strategy will never be figured out by a computer.

    Disclaimer: be water more so in ssnl and beyond and less so in uNL but there is still scope for originality there too - as I'm sure perennial winners will tell us.
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    That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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    FUUUU I jus spewed 48 BIs trying to make people my bitch.
  63. #138
    lol

    I've been playing a more solid game ever since I wrote that
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    One thing to keep in mind when implementing new aggressive lines into your game is to identify the correct situations for them objectively. That means leaving your ego at the door and playing to maximize your overall expectation - not to satisfy the craving of wanting to deliberately 'own' someone or make them feel 'owned'.
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    You could have told me this, 632BIs ago jfc. Trolling asdie though, I'm defo going to look for more spots to try more aggressive lines, not doing so is a manifestation of autopiloting and stagnation; all forms of these must be eliminated.
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    wAKE UP PEOPLE




    ITS 2010






    NOT 2009





    OR 2008




    AND IT SURE AS HELL AINT 2007!




    This has to be the most valuable strat post I've ever written.
    Last edited by Micro2Macro; 10-28-2010 at 06:02 AM.
  67. #142
    Wait it's not 2007?

    *Stops 3-betting 45% and c-betting 97% when called.*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters View Post
    Wait it's not 2007?

    *Stops 3-betting 45% and c-betting 97% when called.*
    this made me lawl
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    I lol'd

    on a more serious note though, I think you misinterpreted my post.

    The key point within isn't to stop doing things that only worked 3 years ago, but to start doing something different that no one understands how to exploit.
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    Yeah, like limp reraise and 3 betting 100% of flops.......
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    I wish I could desensitize myself to monetary value. Lately (partly inspired by your aggro/bitch posts) I've found what I strongly believe to be awesome spots to make regs my bitches but I'm like, pussying out simply because of the amount of money involved.

    It sucks, but I guess it comes with time at whatever stake I'm in. And a bigger BR I guess helps too. I'm working with about ~36-38 buy-ins atm, which is definitely comfortable but still not in a place where losing a few buy ins trying out what could end up being high variance plays doesn't hurt.

    Either way, I definitely agree that creativity and innovation is becoming more and more important. The new fish is the tag reg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post
    Man poker is so much like a sport
    all the sport without that pesky exercise!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gobbatino View Post
    I've found what I strongly believe to be awesome spots to make regs my bitches but I'm like, pussying out simply because of the amount of money involved. The new fish is the tag reg.
    So basically your my bitch.
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    i approve thederailment of this thread

    i will post something serious about desensitizing yourself to money when im sober
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post
    i approve thederailment of this thread

    i will post something serious about desensitizing yourself to money when im sober
    take a $20 bill. Burn (*) it. Repeat.

    * or, way cooler, give the money to a busker musician/juggler/whatever. If they've got a shred of talent then everyone feels good about it. Hell, i'd probably even chuck a dollar bill in illfa's raggedy cap if i saw him on the down and out making street music to pay his drug debts.

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