hello, i'm rpm and initially i set some really ambitious goals for this so-called "operation". now it's just a place where i talk shit, or post hand histories for people to help me with.
03-28-2010 07:33 AM
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Last edited by rpm; 07-30-2010 at 08:02 AM. | |
03-28-2010 03:24 PM
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Hey rpm, | |
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03-29-2010 12:57 AM
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okay today i'm doing preflop theory as it seems i could save myself a lot of rancid postflop spots if i played better pre. i'll be checking out muzz's 3betting and FE thread and whatever else i can find. if i learn anything i'll post it here. | |
04-07-2010 05:37 AM
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HUD wont come up in HEM but i'm pretty sure this guy was something like 25/7 over 40ish hands. it was played on PS not party, dont know why it converted as such. only read is that he limped AQo in CO with one limper before him in a previous hand. flop for me is standard, its terrible for low-mid pairs and SCs so i get folds a fair bit. i also have a gutterball, an overcard, and a backdoor flush draw. turn is gin and i proceed to bet close to pot to charge draws and build the pot vs two pairs and pair+OESD hands. how do you guys react to this river card? his passive line makes me think he has flush draws a heap of the time, but he also probably has a lot of two pair hands, and i hold the blocker to the nut flush. its the stack sizes that baffled me in this one really. if i bet half pot and he shoves i am getting a ridiculously good price. | |
Last edited by rpm; 04-07-2010 at 05:50 AM. | |
04-07-2010 05:49 AM
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UTG seemed taggy over a very small sample. something like 18/8. preflop call is questionable but the BB is an utter tard over a small sample so i came in. due to combinatorics i am actually a big favourite if | |
04-07-2010 08:18 AM
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preflop is marginal, I like the rest. I'm not a huge fan of cc/donk but in this case it seems like the best option because their calling range should be a lot wider than their betting range. You could just go ahead and donk the flop, unless you expect utg to cb-bluff there. | |
Last edited by oskar; 04-07-2010 at 08:20 AM. | |
04-07-2010 08:48 AM
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to be honest i just checked through habit. i didnt really consider the merit of leading. i realise this is bad, and i'm starting to learn to be able to make multi-street plans aimed at exploiting what i know of my opponents tendencies. after i checked and villain cbet i smoothed because i felt keeping the drooler in the pot was better than checkraising, which could potentially get the fish off a weak ace he was otherwise not folding, and also bloat a pot i can't really stack off in should UTG jam. | |
04-11-2010 03:18 AM
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up 1850bb over first 2kish hands of operation at 2nl. thanks holdem heater. i'd post the graph but i dont know how and the link in the BC to the how to post graphs thread doesnt work. decided i'm going to play minimum of 20k hands at 2nl before i move up, even if my heater continues and im up 3000bb or whatever. i'm finding myself thinking a lot clearer about ranges and lines at 2nl when i am playing against terrible players who probably arent thinking the same thoughts about me. probably just a confidence thing. | |
04-11-2010 09:36 AM
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finishing up another 2nl heater-ride tonight. down to playing one table where i'm 400 effective deep to the immediate left of a 73/68 spazz. just posting some of the hands that stood out from tonights session so as to keep this operation thread remotely alive, and to remind myself that running good doesnt mean i can start to loosen up or play any different to the best i can in a given situation based on my current level of understanding of poker (i noticed myself opening A8s-type hands in EP "for the image" or for "metagame" when this is quite simply a -EV play vs these guys with my current postflop skills etc etc) | |
04-11-2010 09:43 AM
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villain here was 40/5 over 100. i was pretty lost here and wasn't really forming ranges during the play of the hand, but villain was terrible so i felt he was calling with any 8,T,9,Q for one pairs and gutters or two diamonds, as well as the obvious Jx and straights. i gin the river, he calls and shows Jc4c. i really have no idea what to think about how i played this hand because villain was terrible and took such a ridiculous line which threw me off. i guess i can't really not raise the turn on a wet board vs such a bad opponent. | |
04-11-2010 09:55 AM
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this one is against the 72/66 (his stats may have changed slightly but you know the guy) i mentioned in my first post in here tonight. his aggression frequencies are as follows: | |
04-11-2010 10:03 AM
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that's all for tonight. i'm now up 2500 bb over 2.6k hands. i havent been playing particularly well, and i'm not going to pretend i have, i have just ran good. hopefully by studying regularly and posting in here i can ignore the short-term results (good and bad) and continue to improve my poker game. also sorry for posting results if anyone cares. the hands arent really that interesting for analyis, more intended to keep me active in updating this thing, and making sure i stay on track and dont become complacent because i run good over short samples sometimes. oh yeah i also dropped like 300bb at 2plo because i rivered the nut flush on an 82384 board against a button preflop raiser and couldnt really think of many full houses in his range because he opened pre and most of the 8xxx rundowns dont reach down to 4. i have to learn to valuebet/fold rivers more in that game. but honestly, who opens A83T rainbow? goodnight | |
04-23-2010 03:45 AM
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neglected thread update | |
05-03-2010 09:08 PM
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ok this month is about volume. my last assignment is due in about a week so i should have a lot more time on my hands. i'm aiming for 500 hands per day, which = roughly 15000 hands by the end of the month. with a bit of luck i hope to be at 10nl by the end of this month (i'm about 3-400 bb away). oh yeah and at least one hour of study per day. | |
05-03-2010 09:10 PM
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april: | |
05-03-2010 09:14 PM
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just curious why u felt the need to start at the bottom again if u cashed out from playing 50NL. 10NL should be ez game if you were already rolled for it. You seem like a smart fella, just curious why start so low? | |
05-03-2010 10:04 PM
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i wanted to grind an online roll from scratch mostly for disciplinary reasons. previously i'd just deposited money which i have from live winnings and splashed about at anywhere from 10-50nl. pretty much became a degenerate who thought he was a winning player and decided that it was time to stop being a slug and start studying and grind a bankroll. i figured if i was as good at poker as my ego seemed to think i was, it wouldn't take me too long to get back to 25-50nl. | |
05-03-2010 10:54 PM
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fair enough. understandable. and GLGL!! | |
05-21-2010 03:33 AM
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i've recently neglected this thread, and simultaneously the goals i have set within it. i have been a GS member for ages, and i typically just downloaded the videos to my harddrive and pretended to myself that that alone constitutes an improvement at poker. i plan to watch and take notes/post on 1 GS video per day until i have devoured all the 10nl content, and the how to master FR series, then re-evaluate. getting up every day at 7 is a little ambitious given my recent sleeping patterns so i'll compromise and make it 9. poker recently has been swingy and, at times, spewy which i think is a result of too-long sessions, too many tables at times, and not studying enough. in short, i have exams soon and need to study like a motherfucker, while keeping sane, and improving at music/poker. here's the short-term plan: | |
05-22-2010 03:35 AM
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Let's see your wierdest PLO hand from your next session, just for kicks. | |
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06-08-2010 06:18 AM
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havent been playing much PLO lately, unfortunately. havent even been playing much holdem either and that's by far my better game. | |
06-08-2010 11:04 PM
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this time vs a fish | |
06-23-2010 01:58 AM
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30k hand update. currently playing 25nl and deepstacked 10nl. | |
06-23-2010 05:22 AM
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So little volume I guess loads of study tho...wp |
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06-28-2010 02:02 AM
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did some thinking today for a bit of a change. and i realised that the reason i thrash around like a drowning child trying to stay afloat in micro games and dont crush 100nl for 8bb/100 has nothing to do with volume. it's because i suck at poker. playing more tables or for more hours isn't going to fix this. from now until further notice i play 2 tables at a time and refine my poker thought process, pay more attention to who i'm playing against, and learn to crush them accordingly. also, it seems that when im at my spewiest is when i am not thinking poker hands through logically, i get myself in ridiculous spots with no equity against unknowns, and no idea about their ranges, so i decide the only way to win is to fire the potsized barrel on the river so they have to fold. then they call and show me top pair with an eight kicker. i tilt and spew a few more buyins before deciding to quit for the night and play the level below next session. i'm hoping that playing less tables and more attention will alleviate this spew. i'll report back into this thread (population: 01) at least weekly with how this new approach seems to be going. | |
Last edited by rpm; 06-28-2010 at 02:49 AM. | |
06-28-2010 02:02 PM
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GL w/the new plan. This may not apply to you, but you should be careful of subtle tilt creeping in from playing only two tables. You may get irritated from waiting so long between actions. Most players are multi-tabling, so playing two tables can be very slow. Tilt is insideous in some cases (developing so gradually as to be well established before becoming apparent) and it's source is hard to identify. I'm working on my mindset as well. | |
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06-28-2010 10:44 PM
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yeah i'm wary of that man, definitely fallen victim to it in the past. hopefully if i am constantly on the alert for boredom tilt i either wont get it, or i will detect it the moment it starts creeping in and react accordingly. | |
06-29-2010 01:56 AM
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here's a hand from session one (1 hour) which had me kind of uncomfortable. i think it confused me because his range is so much wider than most people's that it threw me off. | |
06-29-2010 04:11 AM
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You have notes that this guy is a calling station and passive. When I look at stats similar to those, I tell myself to be careful if villian starts getting agressive. The flop raise is a good warning. I would c/f the Turn. | |
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06-29-2010 05:04 AM
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true, but taking into consideration implied odds: if his range is exclusively sets and KK+ (ie i only ever have live flush draw outs) then i have 18% equity, i am roughly 4.5:1 against hitting, and i am receiving 2.7:1 pot odds, meaning i have to extract 1.8x the turn betsize (1.8 x 2.7 = 4.86) on the river, when the pot will be $10.11. villain has roughly $10 left in his stack, and his range appears pretty strong at this point in time, so i doubted (actually not so much now, perhaps he could find a fold because my line is pretty transparent) he would fold to $5-6 on any heart river. | |
Last edited by rpm; 06-29-2010 at 11:06 AM. | |
06-30-2010 01:42 AM
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here's one which tilted me like a motherfucker. villain is 17/15 with 10.8 3bet over my 200ish sample (22% from 9 in SB, 13% from 8 in BB). when he calls the flop i felt his range was like TT+, i wanted to bet the turn but i couldnt bet small enough to leave a credible river shove, which may have been needed. anyway i abort the mission and this guy shows me 66. gah. | |
06-30-2010 02:18 AM
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Disclaimer: I don't think I know enough about poker to give advice, but it does help me think about the game and I also learn from other responses. | |
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06-30-2010 02:29 AM
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i should have put a disclaimer on the post saying *i don't recommend doing this". and i do believe i played it badly. basically i thought he was 3betting a heap of shit out of the blinds which cant ("shouldn't") stand up to a 4bet, which for 99% of regs at 10nl indicates a range of KK+. i still stand by my claim that 3bet/calling 66 out of the blinds is mega spew, and c/c calling bets on ANY board postflop where you dont have a set with 66 OOP in a 4bet pot is spew at 10nl. what i didnt factor in is that i cant expect a 10nl player who hasnt shown me over a decent sample that he doesn't spew, not to spew. | |
Last edited by rpm; 06-30-2010 at 02:33 AM. | |
06-30-2010 09:52 AM
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KhJh - You played this well imoand I like every street. Don't fold the turn you have likely pretty awesome implied odds here especially with these stack sizes and can expect to win a fairly huge pot quite frequently on the river and get him to call a massive over sized value bet on h rivers with his 2 pair or w/e. Don't raise the flop since he prolly isn't light here often and has at leats an overpair that he isn't folding. It's no fun getting it in this deep with jus 45% equity max and often less when we can maximise our EV vs his range by calling hammering the pot vs his stationy range of hands he ain't ever folding when we make our nizzles. As for your river line just donking huge is likely gonna be best since he'll check back shit like 88 JJ and crap 2 pair a ton being so passive. I'd Jam the rest in on any heart river for sure. | |
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07-02-2010 05:08 AM
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just had a +12BI session at 10nl. here's one i'll post because it's the first time i've ever done this, and hopefully last time i ever will. villain is 12/6/0.9 (3bet). he never has QQ or AK here imo. | |
Last edited by rpm; 07-26-2010 at 08:41 AM. | |
07-05-2010 04:35 AM
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villain here is 21/2 fish over small sample. only note is that he open limped A6o in the CO. a quick look at his VPIP and PFR make it pretty obvious he likes to do that kind of shit anyway. basically i check the river because im deep with the nuts vs a fish whose range is mostly very strong (Qx) or very weak (missed flush draws). granted he has some middle pairs some of the time, but i'm more interested in the Qx part of his range. anyway i check it to him because he bets his nut hands 100% (Qx) and may bet flush draws some % (which is greater than the frequncy with which he calls a bet with them) with intentions of check/overbet jamming in order to: | |
Last edited by rpm; 07-05-2010 at 04:37 AM. | |
07-05-2010 04:43 AM
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same villain as above but far earlier in the sample. this is a hand i'm posting because i fucked up badly. my first mistake was: | |
07-05-2010 04:46 AM
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and yes my raise size gave him ridiculous pot odds, not that bigger was any better against this guy's range (the less the better, all the way down to not bluffing at all, which is optimal). i pretty much saw his shitty sizing and went "ahha he's weak! shouldn't need to raise much to get him to fold!" | |
07-13-2010 09:12 PM
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lately i have been considering preflop tendencies with the idea in mind that if i can form good ABCD ranges preflop, the margin for postflop error is less because the street before it was played well. it seems that every error on a previous street becomes compounded on a later one because the later the street, the bigger the pot, and the bigger betsizes can obviously be expected to be. obvious example is cbetting 100% of your range on 100% of boards, ie your flop range does not even break down into ABCD on flops which you raised pre. it's clear why having such a weak range is going to cause lots of margin for error on turn cards. especially if opponents are aware enough to exploit it. anyway, i have decided to do some preflop ABCD exercises against the regs at my stakes for the sake of improvement. i have 2k hands on this guy, he's a not so good reg that plays exclusively 250bb deep tables and is a goldstar (at 10nl that's a decent amount of monthly volume imo). relevant stats are as follows: | |
Last edited by rpm; 07-13-2010 at 09:17 PM. | |
07-19-2010 03:01 AM
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i think this kind of shit is better posted in the BC. if anyone is interested in this discussion. go there. | |
07-25-2010 04:39 AM
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spoon suggested i post up 5 example hands where i was value betting and determine what i think my opponents calling range is on each street i value bet in order to get a feel and understanding for value betting. we also discussed choosing how many/which streets we should value bet and how board textures and opponents tendencies influence this. i decided i'll post them here. i'm not saying "check out how optimal i played these hands man", i feel i played bad in at least a few of them. these are just hands in which i felt i would like to go into more analysis of my value betting tendencies than i am currently able to at the tables. | |
Last edited by rpm; 07-26-2010 at 04:01 AM. | |
07-26-2010 03:19 AM
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Hand 2 | |
Last edited by rpm; 07-26-2010 at 03:39 AM. | |
07-26-2010 03:59 AM
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Hand 3 | |
07-26-2010 10:02 AM
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Yeah defo bet the flop, not just because some pairs don't call bets on certain turns, but more importantly because any Jx he has is likely calling 3. Don't aim for 2 streets when there are combos of hands that call 3, especially when he could well be stationy with weaker parts of his range given hes basically unknown to us. Flop and turn are the best streets to bet here even if you were only going for 2 streets, since there's a club draw and like you say overcrads can induce folds from 77-TT etc. Rest of the hand is standard/well played. | |
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07-30-2010 07:52 AM
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Hand 4 | |
Last edited by rpm; 07-30-2010 at 08:43 AM. | |
07-30-2010 07:58 AM
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odd that i only ever seem to think i'm value betting when i have an overpair haha. hopefully some of the other HH's i saved aren't when i have the top 2% of my preflop range, just to make it interesting | |
07-30-2010 08:16 AM
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no such luck. | |
Last edited by rpm; 07-30-2010 at 08:22 AM. | |
07-30-2010 08:26 AM
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enough for now. hand 4 took me what felt like 5 hours because i kept messing up villain's range combos in stove and now i can hardly think. | |
07-31-2010 01:23 AM
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Hand 6 | |
Last edited by rpm; 07-31-2010 at 01:25 AM. | |
07-31-2010 01:45 AM
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Hand 7 | |
Last edited by rpm; 07-31-2010 at 01:48 AM. | |
08-04-2010 08:21 AM
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even though i haven't got my 10 vbet examples posted, i'm moving on to this weeks assignment - analysing 4 cbets, 2 3-bet bluffs, and 4 other bluffs of my choice. i'll start with the cbets. | |
Last edited by rpm; 08-09-2010 at 05:10 AM. | |
08-04-2010 10:38 AM
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holy shit this one felt good. especially because he tried the old limp/3bet | |
08-04-2010 05:35 PM
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I've been experiementing with the old limp/3bet ploy. Usually against habitual raisers with position on 1+ limpers, but who are likely to fold to early position bets. | |
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08-05-2010 01:01 AM
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i honestly believe you're better off just keeping them in your opening range. as the above hand illustrates, if you're limp/raising exclusively your nut range, you are very susceptible to exploitation because perceptive people can | |
Last edited by rpm; 08-09-2010 at 05:13 AM. | |
08-05-2010 01:24 AM
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Cbet #2 | |
Last edited by rpm; 08-09-2010 at 03:08 AM. | |
08-05-2010 01:29 AM
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i've got a couple more HH's saved for the cbets, but i haven't been really feeling like 3betting light or bluffing much postflop lately because i've been playing fewer tables, and table selecting pretty vigilantly. last night i was sitting to the left of three >250bb deep 50/4ish types for a solid 1.5-2 hours. pity this weeks study topic was the theory/application of bluffing and not "value towning deep-stacked weak/passive/calling stations". i'm not complaining though. report back soon. | |
08-07-2010 01:31 PM
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08-07-2010 01:32 PM
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08-08-2010 09:35 AM
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Cbet #3 | |
08-08-2010 09:49 AM
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i've now played 50k hands since i started this so-called "operation" and i'm up $464 + $90 in stellar bonuses. that includes a couple of 2000bbish downsings which were more the result of tilty/spewy play than variance. however i feel like i am becoming less prone to tilting and spewing the more i learn about the game, which i think i am currently doing at a rapid rate thanks to regular coaching and study sessions. i also cascaded my tables for the first time ever in tonights session, which made it far easier to play more tables than tiling. might start cascading and playing more tables when the games are particularly good. wouldn't want to be at 10 tables full of regs playing like a robot though. night FTR. | |
Last edited by rpm; 08-10-2010 at 09:15 AM. | |
08-09-2010 02:41 AM
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Cbet #4 | |
Last edited by rpm; 08-09-2010 at 05:20 AM. | |
08-10-2010 09:11 AM
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here's another fun one to | |
Last edited by rpm; 08-10-2010 at 09:17 AM. | |
08-10-2010 07:41 PM
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CBet #1 - Flop bet size could be smaller. Good analysis. | |
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08-11-2010 12:14 AM
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08-11-2010 12:18 AM
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i have now saved all of the HH's and relevant player notes for this week's study. just gotta convert, analyse and post. i'll set saturday morning as my target (not goal, thanks tommy) for getting this done. | |
08-13-2010 03:16 AM
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3bet #1 | |
08-13-2010 03:51 AM
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3bet #2 | |
08-14-2010 01:57 AM
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General bluff #1 | |
Last edited by rpm; 08-16-2010 at 03:08 AM. | |
08-14-2010 03:20 AM
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Nice bluff. Did you go into this hand planning to bluff or did it just seem like a good spot as the hand played out? If he bets the River $3.90, I'm guessing you would fold? | |
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08-14-2010 06:36 AM
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ok. it is now quite clear that due to my own slackness, i won't get all of the HH's posted up before tomorrow morning when i have my next coaching session. however i WILL post them up before i start posting for the next study topic. PlayToWin, i'll respond to the above post once i finish the work on the actual hand. | |
Last edited by rpm; 08-14-2010 at 10:03 PM. | |
08-16-2010 03:14 AM
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i certainly went into the hand planning to use my position to my advantage, which is quite often going to mean stealing pots. his cbet seemed to indicate weakness because he's a nit and the flop had two spades etc vs two opponents. most decent TAGs are betting close to pot here with anything that's for "value" (including nut flush draws). he checks the turn so i feel like he never really has a strong "made" hand, but he may have a hand with decent equity ie the range i assigned him on the turn of mostly one-card flush draws and middlish pairs. so i planned to bluff any river which didnt connect strongly with his calling range (ie a spade or an ace, or maybe a king). | |
08-16-2010 03:35 AM
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Bluff #2 | |
08-16-2010 07:52 AM
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Yeah donking here is fine. It does suck when he turns out to be the sort of random tard who auto raises all leads, but if he does fold then you can note this isn't the case and look for more spots to donk a range of nuts, air and good draws on boards where he's unlikely to c bet. On this flop though there are a bunch of draws that you can be b/3 betting so I think this is an unlikely spot for a stright forward looking guy to play back at you. | |
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08-17-2010 02:43 AM
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cheers for the comment, carrotzz. i must admit i'm guilty of thoughtlessly raising people's leads with air from time to time. although it's usually vs the 1-4bb donk bets that seem to fold to raises 90% of the time more so than the 3/4-full pot sized leads. | |
08-27-2010 02:08 AM
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been far too busy with school work lately for any poker study or grind. that is my own fault because i let myself get so behind but whatever. | |