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    villain here is 33/0 over only 3. no reads obviously. i would have gone for three here had the river not completed the flush because before the river card (and probably after as well, but my soon-to-be-done analysis will determine that) it was a great board texture to value town Qx - the turn pairing gives him only 7 combos of sets/FH's, and these can all be discounted because he C/C'd the flop AND the turn. also the Qx hands in his range have a hard time ever making two pair, unless he flopped top two, in which case i expect him to have shown more aggression at some point on the flop or turn (not to mention folding Q8 OOP pre). anyway the river completes the flush and i decide that all his flush draws got there (and i wont pay them off) and the Qx hands MAY not call 3 barrels often enough to outweigh the flush draws. it's quite possible that this was a clear 3-barrel for value spot and i shied away because i sensed the overwhelming results-oriented tilt which would ensue if he check/jammed the river, i'll hopefully know the best course of action in about half an hour.


    okerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Button ($25)
    SB ($25.34)
    BB ($10)
    UTG ($25)
    UTG+1 ($28.81)
    MP1 ($13.26)
    MP2 ($10.06)
    MP3 ($27.05)
    Hero (CO) ($25)
    Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K
    1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.95, 2 folds
    Flop: ($2.48) 6, 8, Q (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB calls $2
    Turn: ($6.48) 6 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $5.30, SB calls $5.30
    River: ($17.08) 4 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks
    Total pot: $17.08 | Rake: $0.83

    Preflop
    i suspect he calls 22-JJ,A6s+,A8o+,K8s+,KTo+,Q8s+,QTo+,J9s+,JTo, and suited connectors 43s-T9s

    Flop
    66,88-JJ,A7cc,A9-AKcc,43cc-65cc,T9s,A8o,A8s,AQs,AQo,KQs,KQo,Q8s+,QTo+

    as this range has a lot of draws in it, and the only hands which have me crushed are 66,88,and Q8, i imagine i have a clear value bet here:


    Board: 6c 8c Qs
    Dead:
    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 70.524% 70.52% 00.00% 65630 0.00 { KdKs }
    Hand 1: 29.476% 29.48% 00.00% 27430 0.00 { JJ-88, 66, AcKc, AQs, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, A8s, Ac7c, KQs, Q8s+, T9s, 6c5c, 5c4c, 4c3c, AQo, A8o, KQo, QTo+


    Turn
    This is a great turn card for my range, because it weakens his nut range considerably, and cuts half of the equity from the flush draws. i assume that he either leads or check/raises any hand stronger than Q8 here because it would be retarded not to, so i'll remove them. i'm also probably folding T9s except the T9cc which has a gutter/FD. i'll also remove A8,99 and TT.
    i bet pretty large here because i want value from Q9+, and i want to reduce his implied odds as much as possible when he has a flush draw.

    Board: 6c 8c Qs 6s
    Dead:
    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 89.676% 89.68% 00.00% 2328 0.00 { KdKs }
    Hand 1: 10.324% 10.32% 00.00% 268 0.00 { JJ, AcKc, AQs, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac7c, KQs, Q9s+, Tc9c, 6c5c, 5c4c, 4c3c, AQo, KQo, QTo+ }


    River
    flush completes and like the fish i am, i shit my pants and don't attempt to value bet. i assume he doesn't C/R bluff this river, and in hindsight i think he is calling me with most, if not all his top pairs so pokerstove tells me i missed a shitload of value here


    Board: 6c 8c Qs 6s 4c
    Dead:
    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 75.000% 75.00% 00.00% 27 0.00 { KdKs }
    Hand 1: 25.000% 25.00% 00.00% 9 0.00 { AcKc, AQs, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac7c, KQs, QJs, Tc9c, 6c5c, 5c4c, 4c3c, AQo, KQo, QJo }


    i'll see the minimum amount of Qx combos he has to be calling before value betting is -EV (assuming he never bluff-raises) just for fun.


    Board: 6c 8c Qs 6s 4c
    Dead:
    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 53.333% 53.33% 00.00% 8 0.00 { KdKs }
    Hand 1: 46.667% 46.67% 00.00% 7 0.00 { AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac7c, Tc9c, 6c5c, 4c3c, AcQd, AcQh, AdQc, AhQc, AhQd, AsQc, AsQd, AsQh }

    turns out he only needs to be calling with AQ 2/3 of the time or more for value betting to be +EV based on the amount of flush draws i assign in his preflop range. however, once his range is so microscopic, as is the case on this river, the more suited hands he calls with pre, the worse a value bet is. my preflop ranges were just guesses with no substantial reads - he may actually be calling as loose as J2s+,Q2s+,K2s+ etc. in which case i need way more combos i beat to be in his river calling range in order to value bet.
    Last edited by rpm; 07-30-2010 at 08:43 AM.

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