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You guys are giving me so many quotes to add to my signature. lol

Carroters-
Thanks for your feedback, and you have a good point. I think overall I kind of butchered this hand. But I think I would be counting on missed draws trying to take down the pot for the most part, which maybe doesn't make that much sense.
So you think a thin value bet is good, like 1/3 pot or something?

Yeah I mean some spots are good to c/c because missed draws can make up a lot of your opponents betting range on some rivers. It's just here the 2 key things that make c/c not so god are that 1. We're still multiway so bluffs from missed draws are less likely and 2. There are plenty of combinations of made strong hands in your opponents ranges for betting this river.

If you were against 1 aggressive opponent and all the draws had missed (the river was an offsuit 4 or something) then it could be a good spot to c/c. At these stakes though I think value betting whenever possible is usually a good idea. People just tend to call with a much wider range than they bet with themselves.

I think even betting like half pot is a fine size here and should get looked up by the hands you're trying to get called by.

carroters has covered a lot of the reasons.But also .....1/3 pot bet here would be 30 cents ......it will fold out some hands that beat you such as 2pair , possible trip 8's etc as they'll put you on a J and the straight. if they raise you , its an easy fold and you have saved 30 cents compared to the amount you were willing to check call and there will be some people dumb enough to call with worse anyway who might have checked behind.

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

it will fold out some hands that beat you such as 2pair , possible trip 8's etc as they'll put you on a J and the straight. if they raise you , its an easy fold and you have saved 30 cents compared to the amount you were willing to check call and there will be some people dumb enough to call with worse anyway who might have checked behind.

I'm not saying that every player will fold their trips and two pairs , but some will. Players atthe micros generally there biggest leak is that they call too much. In this case it would save you money compared to what they will bet if they are first to act. By making the bet yourself into more than one player they have to allow for the fact that you may have made the straight and alter how they react.

Don't forget , you don't have the nuts , 8x,jx,QQ,KK,AA,99,TT all have you beaten. To a certain extent you are just playing your cards as well,as you are not giving them credit for trying to let them put you on a hand.Some of them will be like you , reading forums trying to get better and willl also then be thinking that you have them beat.

Even the Jx hands have to be wary that you may have a full house.Whilst its true its not going to work on every 2nl player at getting better hands to fold, it wil help limit the amount you lose when you are beaten ,compared to how much you are willing to call. it gets more and more important to be thinking like this as you move up and the standard of player improves.

edit: Also don't take it that you should always be looking to minimize how much you lose , its in situations like this where i think you will be beaten a lot of the time that it plays its part.