Operation STOP SUCKING AT POKER ! ! ! !

Up $22 (4+ buy ins) in under 400 hands to start the day.
Then i got stack happy, again...lol (good thing is i recognized it),
and i folded a boat somehow. Screen popped up and i tried to get back to the table and clicked fold. UN FUCKING REAL.
Finished the day up about $17.

Bad call on this one. But ive been ahead here, at this level, more than a few times. Believe me if i posted some of the hands youd laugh your ass off. Which has me worried that i might get to be a bit of a calling station in these situations.
He is very TAGG, of course i didnt know this at the time or i dont call.
Note to self: Need to check stats at times like this.
A HUD that works would be very helpfull.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP1 ($11.45)
MP2 ($1.53)
MP3 ($7.50)
CO ($7.75)
Button ($1.53)
SB ($9.65)
Hero ($5.27)
UTG ($7.13)
UTG+1 ($9.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 2 folds, MP3 raises to $0.4, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.1, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls $0.70.

Flop: ($2.27) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $2, MP3 raises to $4, Hero raises to $4.17, MP3 calls $0.17.

Turn: ($10.61) (2 players)

River: ($10.61) (2 players)

Final Pot: $10.61

Starting Roll $5NL - $128.66

Bankroll: $ 187.06
Hands played: 5532
Profit: $58.40
ptbb/100h: 11.52

Playing very tight/aggressive. Maybe too much so??
VPIP/PFR/TOTAL AF
10.82/6.87/6.80

hand played okay, ur stats are awesome for a beginner (seriously).

We already talked about ur TAF. It´s def better to be more on the aggro side than to be passive, but I think u´re blowing out weaker hands now and then. Remember that we´re happy to keep weaker hands in the pot as long as they´re getting a bad price to draw out on us.

Originally Posted by XTR1000

hand played okay, ur stats are awesome for a beginner (seriously).

We already talked about ur TAF. It´s def better to be more on the aggro side than to be passive, but I think u´re blowing out weaker hands now and then. Remember that we´re happy to keep weaker hands in the pot as long as they´re getting a bad price to draw out on us.

you are also folding the best hand too often with that high an AF. it doesnt always mean you are aggressive. it also means you know how to fold in the face of ANY aggression...which is not always a good thing.

you numbers look great. i wouldnt do too much yet but grind up a roll. when you get higher, though, you may want to work on calling a bit more in "pot control spots" to induce bluffs from worse hands.

but, i wouldnt do anything right now.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG+1 ($1.75)
MP1 ($12.56)
MP2 ($9.69)
MP3 ($10.57)
CO ($6.40)
Button ($5.93)
SB ($9.90)
Hero ($4.90)
UTG ($10.62)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.05, MP2 calls $0.05, MP3 calls $0.05, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.25) , , (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks.

Turn: ($0.25) (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets $0.3, SB calls $0.30, Hero raises to $0.6, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, SB calls $0.30.

River: ($1.75) (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero raises to $2.25, SB raises to $4, Hero raises to $4.25, SB calls $0.25.

Final Pot: $10.25

Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
SB has 5d 7c (full house, sevens full of fives).
Hero has 4h 7s (full house, sevens full of fours).
Outcome: SB wins $10.25. [/color

Down $22 or so yesterday, broke even in my rather short session early today. Then i played like 150 hands or so tonight and made my $22 back..lol so i called it a night. Which makes me feel way better because yesterday it seemed like i was gonna start a serious downswing. Besides the hand i posted before this, i got my flushed raped by a boat and made a few dumb calls that i never should have made.

Hand 1.
No reads on this guy. I thought his limp call pre flop and flat call post flop, as well as the check when the third club came just wreaked of a flush draw. So i checked behind on the turn, thinking he would value bet and id get off losing the least amount. And if he had one or two pair, it might get him to bet the river. Either way im calling a decent size bet.
Am i way off here??
Normally i have been firing away (taking his just calling as weakness)and either getting re-raised, or he folds.
Is this played totally retarded or what??
The only thing i cant beat is a flush, which he could have.
But its probably more likely he has one or two pair or maybe even a set.
Should i re-raise the river???
Do i call here if he pushes???
Sorry if this seems dumb, but coming off a -4 buy in session i dont always play my best and i question things. (i know thats wrong and im working on it)
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 ($11.65)
Hero ($4.93)
Button ($10.07)
SB ($8.91)
BB ($3.98)
UTG ($9.28)
MP1 ($12.94)

Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
UTG calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.20.

Flop: ($0.57) , , (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.4, UTG calls $0.40.

Turn: ($1.37) (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($1.37) (2 players)
UTG bets $1, Hero calls $1.

Final Pot: $3.37

Hand 2.
Im wondering how much my decisions should change with someone behind me. When button puts me all in here how much do i worry about being up against two opponents???

From the pre flop action (raise and re-raise), i dont think either of them has a set. Im probably up against and big pair and or maybe a flush draw.
Possible AA,KK,QQ,JJ,AK,AQ or maybe1010.
AM i far off here??
Im new to implied odds so im not sure how good or bad of a call it would be pre flop with a small PP. But i wouldnt call a re-raise there.
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($5.71)
UTG ($4.07)
MP1 ($18.58)
MP2 ($4.73)
CO ($6)
Button ($7.68)
SB ($12.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , . CO posts a blind of $0.05.
UTG calls $0.05, 2 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button raises to $0.4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.05, UTG folds, CO calls $1, Button calls $0.65.

Flop: ($3.22) , , (3 players)
Hero bets $2.65, CO calls $2.65, Button raises to $6.63, Hero calls $2.01 (All-In), CO calls $2.30 (All-In).

Turn: ($17.78) (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($17.78) (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $17.78

i may not be the best person to provide commentary right now, as i am in a funk of my own, and posting some pretty retarded hands, too.

but, in hand one, i am not folding. i bet the turn, and call almost any raise. if i get raised, i check/call the river. as played, i still call the river bet, too. i just dont give a lot of credit to 3-card flushes right away. i need more evidence.

hand two, i am all over pushing this hand, and taking my meds if villain has a set. JJ-KK may get like this, as well as draws. this one is a "reflex shove" for me.

Bet turn in hand 1. I see your point, u read the hand well but draw maybe not the best conclusions. U will lose this hand to a flush now and then and your line loses the least vs a flush, but you´re missing a ton of value vs the rest of his range. What about one pair hands with Ac kicker? What about slowplayed Q9? 2pr, TT, JJ, Qx? I doubt any of those will fold to a moderate turnbet, so go get the value u deserve. As played, the river is another awkwards spot, since it completed his straight draws I think we must raise and not be happy about it.

#2 u have to get in on this type of flop. I´m worried about CO, but we really can´t let this go

Today i played terrible poker for most of the day.
I made so many dumb calls and stupid plays its ridiculis.
Highlighted by the 2 hands below.
On top of that, i was very unlucky and couldnt get a hand to stand up for the life of me. Every time i made some coin, i would get sucked out on by someone with J9 off.
I was down about $26 (5 buy ins) to $175, but tried very hard not to worry about getting it all back. Instead i said if i hit the $30 down mark i was done for at least the rest of today and maybe another day or two. Just to clear my head.
I also tried to concentrate on playing my normal game instaed of playing scared and expecting to lose every pot. Often when i start losing i become passive and stop c betting when i should.
Anyway, the varience went back to normal (no more sick suck outs) and i battled back to $191 (2 buy ins down for the day). I played pretty well and rather patiently considering for a while it looked like i would never win a pot again..lol.
Im actually very happy with this as i didnt totally start spewing all over the place (except for the hands below).
Sometimes learning something (in this case the importance of patience and never having a defeatest attitude) is worth a little drop in the roll.

Im almost at 10 000 hands, so i will post my stats next session. According to my stats, im not playing positionally aware. Though i feel like i am.

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$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
7 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($2.33)
UTG+1 ($9.65)
MP ($4.96)
CO ($4.08)
BTN ($9.95)
SB ($3.01)
Hero ($5.15)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 7 players) Hero is BB
5 folds, SB calls $0.03, Hero raises to $0.25, SB calls $0.2

Flop: ($0.5, 2 players)
SB bets $0.4, Hero calls $0.4

Turn: ($1.3, 2 players)
SB goes all-in $2.36, Hero calls $2.36

River: ($6.02, 2 players)

Final Pot: $6.02
SB shows:
Hero shows:

SB wins $5.77 ( won +$2.76 )
Hero lost -$3.01

2.
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($10.30)
UTG+1 ($10.07)
MP1 ($7.35)
MP2 ($9.85)
MP3 ($3.48)
CO ($4.03)
Hero ($4.86)
SB ($6.07)
BB ($4.07)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 9 players) Hero is BTN
UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.05, MP2 calls $0.05, MP3 calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.45, SB calls $0.43, 1 fold, UTG folds, MP1 calls $0.4, MP2 folds, MP3 folds

Flop: ($1.55, 3 players)
SB bets $0.05, MP1 calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.25, SB calls $0.2, MP1 calls $0.2

Turn: ($2.3, 3 players)
SB bets $0.05, MP1 calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.65, SB calls $0.6, MP1 folds

River: ($3.65, 2 players)
SB bets $0.05, Hero raises to $1.55, SB calls $1.5

Final Pot: $6.75
SB shows:
Hero shows:

1) tsk tsk, don't slow play

2) I would bet more on flop and turn, and just call river. Lots of things beat you there. 5 6 whatever the other board card was, pocket pair...basically anything he has been calling you with

Believe me Shazzzzzzzz i know.
I put the hands up to remind myself to not get fancy.

Believe me Shazzzzzzzz i know.
I put the hands up to remind myself to not get fancy.

saw you at a table today, was messing around at FR today, gl

Originally Posted by ProZachNation

saw you at a table today, was messing around at FR today, gl

Thanks.
5NL ?????
Hopefully i wasnt spewing too bad
i dont know what i was doing today...lol
Whats your name on stars?????

Two hands in a row, against the same guy.
Ive never played him before.
In 38 hands hes 34/18/2, but i never knew this until the second hand.
Hand 1.
I did know however that he was playing quite a few hands, and i thought if i called his bet on the flop i could take it away on the turn if the right card came.
Im still not sure i wasnt ahead here, but there is so much that im behind i figured id wait for a better spot.

1.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

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MP2 ($5.93)
CO ($1.95)
Button ($9.03)
SB ($2.97)
BB ($16.46)
UTG ($12.56)
Hero ($10.20)
MP1 ($5.34)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , .
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.2, 3 folds, Button calls $0.20, 2 folds.

Flop: ($0.47) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $0.4, Button raises to $1.2, Hero calls $0.80.

Turn: ($2.87) (2 players)
Hero bets $2.3, Button raises to $7.63, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $7.47

Results in white below:
No showdown. Button wins $7.47.

Enter the better spot.
On the flop, how much should i be re-raising here??
I know theres a good chance he has nothing and thinks im steaming a bit.
I only raised $1, but have a feeling it should be more.
2.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 ($5.93)
MP2 ($1.95)
CO ($12.45)
Button ($2.95)
SB ($16.41)
BB ($12.56)
Hero ($6.50)
UTG+1 ($5.34)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $0.2, 3 folds, CO calls $0.20, 3 folds.

Flop: ($0.47) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $0.35, CO raises to $1, Hero raises to $2, CO calls $1.

Turn: ($4.47) (2 players)
Hero bets $4.3 (All-In), CO calls $4.30.

River: ($0) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $13.07

Results in white below:
Hero has 9s 9d (three of a kind, nines).
CO doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins $13.07.
cut off mucked [Ts Qd]

3.
Ok this hand sucks.
I should have raised pre flop and i wouldnt be in this position.
As played, am i not right to slowplay this??
I flop the nuts, and the odds of him having A3 cant be good.
I dont like to slowplay, but it seems ok here if i want some action.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

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UTG+1 ($7.71)
MP1 ($2.27)
MP2 ($9.80)
Hero ($6.70)
Button ($6.68)
SB ($9.56)
BB ($10.50)
UTG ($7.81)

Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.05, Button calls $0.05, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.25) , , (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($0.25) (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, Button bets $0.5, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $1.2, Button raises to $2.55, Hero raises to $6.65, Button calls $4.08 (All-In).

River: ($13.51) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $13.51

Results in white below:
Hero has 2d Ad (full house, aces full of twos).
Button has Ah 3d (full house, aces full of threes).
Outcome: Button wins $13.51.

Feb 24 th

Bankroll $222.00

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General Info Stats.


Positional Stats.


Graph.

1.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

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UTG ($4.93)
Hero ($5.20)
MP1 ($8.24)
MP2 ($17.02)
CO ($5)
Button ($4.95)
SB ($2.07)
BB ($9.40)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , . CO posts a blind of $0.05.
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, 5 folds.

Flop: ($0.62) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $0.55, MP1 calls $0.55.

Turn: ($1.72) (2 players)
Hero bets $1.35, MP1 raises to $7.44, Hero ???

2.
Opponent is 46/16/11 although thats after only 60 hands.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

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MP1 ($3.86)
MP2 ($6.82)
CO ($2.57)
Button ($5.09)
SB ($13.75)
BB ($7.86)
UTG ($5.03)
Hero ($4.94)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , .
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.2, 2 folds, CO calls $0.20, 2 folds, BB calls $0.15.

Flop: ($0.62) , , (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.55, CO calls $0.55, BB folds.

Turn: ($1.72) (2 players)
Hero bets $1.5, CO raises to $1.82, Hero calls $0.32.

River: ($5.36) (2 players)

Final Pot: $5.36

3.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

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BB ($6)
Hero ($5.12)
MP1 ($6.37)
MP2 ($8.97)
CO ($9.47)
Button ($5.35)
SB ($10.52)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $0.2, MP1 calls $0.20, 3 folds, SB raises to $0.35, BB calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.15, MP1 calls $0.15.

Flop: ($1.40) , , (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.05, MP1 folds, SB calls $1.05, BB folds.

Turn: ($3.50) (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($3.50) (2 players)
SB bets $0.5, Hero ???

1.
No reads on this guy but hes a short stack.

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($10.69)
UTG+1 ($9.80)
MP1 ($2.24)
MP2 ($1.72)
MP3 ($28.26)
CO ($9.73)
BTN ($2.04)
SB ($6.30)
Hero ($5.79)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 9 players) Hero is BB
2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.15, 5 folds, Hero raises to $0.6, MP1 goes all-in $2.24, [i]Hero ???

2.
Villain is someone i play a lot, he is passive and very willing to fold.
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($13.02)
UTG+1 ($5.45)
MP1 ($9.13)
MP2 ($4.95)
MP3 ($5.95)
CO ($5.56)
BTN ($3.04)
SB ($6.14)
Hero ($5.63)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 9 players) Hero is BB
UTG calls $0.05, 4 folds, CO calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.3, UTG calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.92, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, UTG calls $0.75

Turn: ($2.92, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.15,

#1 Call

#2 When a weak passive guy leads flop and calls your c/r alarm bells should start ringing. Depending on his UTG range I guess his range isnt weaker than A9, maybe even stronger 99+. I dont have Pstove here in the office, but I guess we have enough equity to play this turn fast.

Originally Posted by XTR1000

#1 Call

i would be interested to hear why you say that. i was talking to Wes yesterday while this hand happened and was leaning towards a call myself. but, i told him i was about 50/50 with my decision. shorter stacked villain, could be really wide, also great for any image you may get from it down here, and its not that expensive of a gambool with a borderline hand to call a pf push with no reads. however, its the 3X/RR/Shove line that bothers me...it reeks of KK/AA.

Originally Posted by XTR1000

#2 When a weak passive guy leads flop and calls your c/r alarm bells should start ringing. Depending on his UTG range I guess his range isnt weaker than A9, maybe even stronger 99+. I dont have Pstove here in the office, but I guess we have enough equity to play this turn fast.

i think we picked up WAY too much in the way of outs to fold. this is also a good "scare card" to throw some money at agaisnt a passive player that probably sees a lot of monsters under the bed.

Originally Posted by Chopper

Originally Posted by XTR1000

#1 Call

i would be interested to hear why you say that. i was talking to Wes yesterday while this hand happened and was leaning towards a call myself. but, i told him i was about 50/50 with my decision. shorter stacked villain, could be really wide, also great for any image you may get from it down here, and its not that expensive of a gambool with a borderline hand to call a pf push with no reads. however, its the 3X/RR/Shove line that bothers me...it reeks of KK/AA.

Originally Posted by XTR1000

#2 When a weak passive guy leads flop and calls your c/r alarm bells should start ringing. Depending on his UTG range I guess his range isnt weaker than A9, maybe even stronger 99+. I dont have Pstove here in the office, but I guess we have enough equity to play this turn fast.

i think we picked up WAY too much in the way of outs to fold. this is also a good "scare card" to throw some money at agaisnt a passive player that probably sees a lot of monsters under the bed.

#1 pretty much for the reasons u mentioned. I tend to call shorties quite wide, mostly b/c they´re annoying me and it´s a cheap way to tilt Seriously, shorties range is probably wide enough to make this at least marginal -EV and we´re showing our willingness to gamboool what might slow them down. Since a shortstacks usually has a ton of FE vs us we must take a stand now and then, if we don´t want them to run over us.

#2 meh, I just played with pstove. To my surprise we are a 3:1 dog vs {99+, A9} and a 2:3 dog if we add 54 to his range. So, when I wrote my first post I thought we bet for value, but now I lean towards c/c, we can´t take a shove and have bad implied odds, I think we should rather take the safe and cheap line to see a river card. Given the read villian is "willing to fold" I doubt we could blow him off his pair after he called flop

you know...i just realized i did something again. wes, dont do this...

most of us assume that low AF's are passive. therefore, if he's passive, he will fold. NOT TRUE. your passives are your calling stations, too. they have low AF's because they CALL MORE THAN THEY BET. it says nothing about folding in the AF. and, we shouldnt assume it does.

this is where specific reads play a HUGE factor. i made this mistake on a huge hand last night, and it was likely a mistake. i got lucky and sucked out, but i will tell you that i had no FE when i thought i did. the more i think about that hand, the more i hate it, and think it was the worst of the session.

Reads on both hands are meh at best.
1.
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($6.72)
UTG+1 ($12.86)
MP1 ($6.18)
Hero ($5.59)
CO ($4.25)
BTN ($10.00)
SB ($7.31)
BB ($10.16)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 8 players) Hero is MP2
UTG raises to $0.3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.1, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.8

Flop: ($2.27, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.95, UTG calls $1.95

Turn: ($6.17, 2 players)
UTG bets $3, Hero goes all-in $2.54

River: ($11.25, 2 players)


2.
Opponent is 33/12/1 over 50 hands or so.
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($3.40)
UTG+1 ($10.99)
Hero ($5.60)
BTN ($5.85)
SB ($10.85)
BB ($2.90)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is CO
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.2, BTN calls $0.2, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.47, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.45, BTN calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.37, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.1, BTN calls $1.1

River: ($3.57, 2 players)
Hero bets $2, ?????

#1

This is why AA pre isn't the best hand post. I hate it when there's 3-flush there without us having that A. Your bet is 50/50, I think some people will say the board is too connected (especially the FD) but I like it. They don't have a flush, they fold, you get the pot. I probably would have bet less, make it look like I'm aiming for a call - and not leaving me with half my stack left. The very fact he called then bet on the turn means you should fold. I don't care what the odds are there's nothing we can hit which makes us win.

Remember the gap theory. We need a wider range to bet/push all-in than we need to call/call all-in. In other words, call with the goods, bet with potential. Here you called with a busted 1 pair. Ask yourself would you have played this hand with KK or TT? After the flop that's what your aces are basically worth and they're not going to get better.

#2
If he has the 3 then so be it. That's just a bitch of a board.

one...i like it fine. again, by the time you get to the point villain shoves, its too late (pot odds) to fold. how often do you need to be right to make the turn call profitable? seriously, calculate it...are you that confident in your overpair?

two...river should read "hero reaches into his pocket, pulls out the keys to his ferrari, throws them into the pot with the rest of his chips...and SHOVES". its only a $.30 overbet on river...and villain has called two psb's to this point...he's not folding. besides, any pp likely calls at this level. if its a split or 3, its a split or three. either way...felt it. if worse calls anything, it calls a shove, too. max your EV.

both hands are played fine

I finally broke out of my horrid run (at least i hope ), and made a profit the last couple sessions. Which put me over $250 for the first time.
I am starting to realize just how important mental toughness is.

Now i have to decide if im going to move up now, or wait until $275-$300. Honestly i think im playing decent, but im running pretty bad. So im not sure what to do.
Also i need to know, if i move up, how many buy ins do i allow myself to lose before moving back down??

Hands: 19 644
Profit: $129.41
Ptbb/100: 6.59
VPIP: 10.55
PFR: 7.52
AF: 4.68

Ptbb/100 is way down from where it was after 11 000 hands,
but i think it could be way worse considering how bad i ran for the last 9000 hands or so.
Im actually pretty happy with my self controll during this time.
I got as low as $183 a few days ago. It was like every time i had a hand it was crushed. Luckily i was able to keep my composer and battle through it by concentrating on playing good poker and not the results.

Thanks to Chopper, XTR, and Spoon (among others). I am actually starting (emphasize starting ) to understand what i am supposed to be doing and thinking in most situations.
I am really enjoying the learning process. Going over hands and getting their point of view is a great help, and something that i appreciate very much.

Some hands from today.
1.
I dont know what to make of this hand.
No reads as it was just after i sat down, and i had never seen this guy before.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

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BB ($6.93)
UTG ($2.80)
MP ($5.48)
CO ($18.44)
Hero ($5)
SB ($6.88)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
UTG raises to $0.1, 1 fold, CO calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, 2 folds.

Flop: ($0.37) , , (3 players)
UTG checks, CO bets $0.35, Hero raises to $1.35, UTG folds, CO raises to $2.35, Hero raises to $4.9, CO folds.

Final Pot: $5.07

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins $5.07.

2.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

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Button ($6.25)
SB ($9.20)
BB ($2.30)
UTG ($5.95)
MP1 ($17.06)
Hero ($7.30)
CO ($7.21)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with , .
1 fold, MP1 calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, 1 fold, Button raises to $0.2, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.15.

Flop: ($0.67) , , (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.55, Button raises to $1.4, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $7.1, Button calls $4.65 (All-In).

Turn: ($12.77) (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($12.77) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $12.77

Results in white below:
Hero has 3s 3h (three of a kind, threes).
Button doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins $13.82.

3.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

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Hero ($5.93)
MP1 ($5.78)
MP2 ($6.07)
CO ($5.35)
Button ($4.93)
SB ($4.69)
BB ($5)
UTG ($5.92)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , .
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.25, 3 folds, Button calls $0.25, 2 folds.

Flop: ($0.57) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $0.45, Button calls $0.45.

Turn: ($1.47) (2 players)
Hero bets $1.4, Button calls $1.40.

River: ($4.27) (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2.83 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $1.44

Results in white below:
Button doesn't show.
Outcome: Button wins $7.10.

i will tell you that you move up with 30 BIs and move back with 40 BIs at your previous level. that would be $300 to move up, and $200 to move down. however, if you want to take a shot at 10NL, i wont stop you, but you still need to watch the $200 mark, imo.

1...i play it the same way, and think the guy is strange for folding. but, maybe he was bluffing with air.

2...this is why you get it in early, if possible, with sets. that turn/river combo is nasty if you are getting tricky and trying to slow play this. nh.

3...yeah, i find the fold button there, too. i dont know if its correct, but i dont like the turn. i like your bet size, if you bet at it, but the card itself is not the best for you. but, being oop, thats a tough spot for me. dont like the river at all...the only thing i see you beating is A-crap. AT+ all have you smoked.

Move up now. You´re doing well. You have 25BI. Every minute u spend at 5NL you´re costing yourself money. Move back down when u hit 20BI or $200. Until you reach 50NL there´s nothing wrong with aggressive BRM.


#1 is totally fine. villian obvioulsy sucks when he b/3b´s flop and then folds.

#2 also fine. on such dry flops we may consider playing the flop not too fast to encourage weaker hands to stick around. Calling his raise and crai on turn would be sexy

#3 Ugly board, but u played it well. No point in putting anymore money in on the river.

I moved up to 10NL
So now im a 10 dolla balla.
Session 1
Played allright except for one hand.
The AA, hand 3 below.
I finished 900 or so hands up $17.
Not great but ill take it.

Reads are non existent due to the fact that i havent really played any of these people before.
1.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

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MP1 ($11.20)
MP2 ($7.40)
Hero ($11.30)
Button ($1.85)
SB ($10.15)
BB ($5)
UTG ($9.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold.

Flop: ($0.90) , , (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.9, SB calls $0.90.

Turn: ($2.70) (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.5, SB calls $2.50.

River: ($7.70) (2 players)
SB bets $6.35 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $1.35

Results in white below:
SB doesn't show.
Outcome: SB wins $14.05.

2.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

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MP3 ($13.60)
CO ($8.65)
Hero ($9.95)
SB ($6.15)
BB ($2)
UTG ($12.85)
UTG+1 ($2.40)
MP1 ($4.20)
MP2 ($7.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
UTG raises to $0.4, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.40, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.10, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($3.55) , , (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.3, UTG raises to $11.35, Hero calls $5.15 (All-In).

Turn: ($20.45) (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($20.45) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $20.45

3.
SPEWWWWWWWWWWWWW ....lol
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

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MP1 ($4.90)
MP2 ($11.30)
CO ($14.55)
Button ($1.85)
SB ($11.55)
BB ($11.50)
Hero ($10.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $0.4, 2 folds, CO calls $0.40, 3 folds.

Flop: ($0.95) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $0.9, CO raises to $1.8, Hero raises to $10.35, CO calls $8.55.

Turn: ($21.65) (2 players)

River: ($21.65) (2 players)

Final Pot: $21.65

Results in white below:
Hero has As Ac (two pair, aces and jacks).
CO has 7d 7s (full house, sevens full of jacks).
Outcome: CO wins $21.65.

you didnt screw up hand three. it happens.

hand two was a MUCH scarier board to stack off with. and, you did it there.

at 2, 5, and 10NL, overpairs are very often the best hand on the flop...and stack worthy.

good fold, in hand one, too.

i think you played all three fine. good luck at 10NL. i dont think you'll see much difference in the play.

Broke $300 tonight.
So i figured id make a graph.
24, 933 hands.
From 2-10NL $117 - $303.
Click then click again.


1.
Opponent is 38/12/1.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

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BB ($17.55)
Hero ($15.35)
MP1 ($3.25)
MP2 ($11.45)
CO ($10.90)
Button ($7.70)
SB ($9.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $0.4, MP1 calls $0.40, 1 fold, CO calls $0.40, 2 folds, BB calls $0.30.

Flop: ($1.65) , , (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.5, MP1 folds, CO calls $1.50, BB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($6.15) (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

River: ($6.15) (3 players)
BB bets $2, Hero calls $2, CO folds.

Final Pot: $10.15

2.
WOOO fell ass backwards into this one.
Im not real happy about how i played it.
BUT, i played patient all day.
Even when it wasnt going well.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

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MP1 ($9.80)
MP2 ($6.15)
CO ($23.15)
Button ($8.90)
Hero ($11.35)
BB ($2)
UTG ($18.05)
UTG+1 ($1.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
UTG raises to $0.4, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.40, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.35, 1 fold.

Flop: ($1.30) , , (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: ($1.30) (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.3, MP2 calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1, UTG raises to $3.8, MP2 raises to $5.75, Hero raises to $10.95, UTG calls $7.15.

River: ($28.95) (3 players)

Final Pot: $28.95

Results in white below:
Hero has 4c 4h (full house, fours full of aces).
UTG doesn't show.
MP2 doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins $28.95.

UTG mucked [Kh As]
MP2 mucked [Ad 3d]

This is by far one of the most impressive operation threads I've seen. We're not talking about supernova or making a hundred k's, but we're talking about someone getting serious about poker and learning the game and doing it right. Bankroll management. Taking shots. Moving back down. Taking better shots. Making bank. Very nice hands, wes.

I checked the position stats from a couple weeks back in depth. I like them. You have a 3 to 1 ration of VP$P from button to UTG, which is VERY positional. I give advice to newbies all the time to just get to 2 to 1. Also, you're not getting loose out of either SB or BB (which is a mistake I tend to make). These two table positions should play more like UTG than Button, imo.

General stats look very solid. I like the 5+ AF, w/ AF ~ 8 on the flop. This is the way I play, and I think it works well at the micros. Wait for decent hands + position, and then kick some ass.

I give this advice to noobies in the beginner's forum all the time: tighten up preflop, play positionally, and get hyperagro postflop. I'm gonna start sending them here for tips on how to do this thing right.

The things I've learned playing roughly this style is that poker is very simple. At micros, showing aggression with good hands is fine. They don't pay enough attention to get out of the way. And instead of calling a street or two when you're beat, you're just folding. Very good. Very disciplined. Very positive EV.

I will checking this op thread often. See ya at NL50 in a few months!!!

Thanks Robb, thats very nice of you to say.

Today on the other hand was not nice at all.
I never made a draw all day. I lost with sets to runner, runner straights etc. Not to mention tieing like 4 pots when opponent and i had the same hand. Basically nothing went right and i finished down 4 buy ins.
I feel like i played okay for the most part (although i did spew a few hands), and concentrated on playing good and not tilting. I just couldnt win a pot.
I guess days like this will happen and theres not much i can do about it except maybe quit a little earlier.
I really need to work on some things, including not overplaying TPTK.

1.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

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MP1 ($3.45)
MP2 ($42.65)
MP3 ($7.40)
CO ($0.85)
Button ($11.05)
SB ($20.20)
Hero ($12.35)
UTG ($28.75)
UTG+1 ($6.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
4 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.4, Hero calls $0.30, MP3 calls $0.30, CO folds.

Flop: ($1.30) , , (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, MP3 calls $1, SB folds.

Turn: ($3.30) (2 players)
Hero bets $3, MP3 raises to $6, Hero calls $3.

River: ($15.30) (2 players)

Final Pot: $15.30

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac Qh (one pair, queens).
MP3 has 4d Ad (straight, five high).
Outcome: MP3 wins $15.30.

2.
$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($9.90)
UTG+1 ($3.40)
MP1 ($6.35)
MP2 ($13.45)
MP3 ($2.00)
CO ($6.70)
BTN ($2.55)
SB ($4.90)
Hero ($11.95)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 9 players) Hero is BB
2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.4, 5 folds, Hero raises to $1.4, MP1 calls $1

Flop: ($2.85, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.5, MP1 calls $2.5

Turn: ($7.85, 2 players)
Hero bets $5.2, MP1 goes all-in $2.45

River: ($12.75, 2 players)

Final Pot: $12.75
Hero shows:
MP1 shows:

Hero wins $2.75 ( lost -$6.35 )
MP1 wins $12.15 ( won +$5.8 )

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1. gross
2. gross. but why did you bet so big on flop?

Originally Posted by kmind

1. gross
2. gross. but why did you bet so big on flop?

Please elaborate, just saying gross doesnt help.
Bad flop to c bet??
I bet so big because if i dont, they call anyway thinking im weak.
At least if i bet close to the pot i have a chance of getting a weak Q to fold.
Also with his small stack i thought he may fear making a bad call and committing himself.

Originally Posted by wesrman

Originally Posted by kmind

1. gross
2. gross. but why did you bet so big on flop?

I disagree. Neither hand was badly played, for these stakes. You'll catch villains stacking off with middle pair, air or a gutshot draw far too often to play TPTK passively.

Originally Posted by wesrman

Also with his small stack i thought he may fear making a bad call and committing himself.

LoL. This is why we like the micros - they almost never "fear making a bad call..."

Hand 1. I'm not folding here. Ever. I could never have gotten away from this one when villain has only $3 behind. If he's full stacked, and pushes all-in over my turn bet, I probably would have ditched it.

Hand 2. The turn caught you. I like the cbet on the flop, and I vary my cbets between 2/3's and pot, depending upon reads, table condition, stack sizes position, etc. If this was part of your cbetting plan, it's not terrible. You have 6 solid outs, one of which hits on the turn. So now you're pot committed and get it all in. No problem.

Both are standard against typical villains at this level. Just a bit coolered is all.

My only critique is that you need to begin working on pot control. Both of these hands could have been played for slightly smaller bets on each street (postflop). Watch effective stack sizes preflop, as the flop party is developing. See who has what stack, and think about leaving some maneuvering room for flop and turn bets. However, even with pot control, I'm probably going broke on both these hands.

My game took a big step forward when I took fnord's oft-repeated advice to think about effective stack sizes at the beginning of every hand I got involved in.

hey, wes. took a bit of a vacation...sorry i havent been watching. but, DAMNED NICE GRAPH!!

you need to bust me while we are playing so i can post it here for you...lol. youre gonna have to crack AA, tho. i'm not getting involved with you, if you are on my left.

TPTK and big overpairs play about the same at micros. Here's an NL25 example. I thought a long time about the river call. I had no reads on villain, and I hate making this call "blind." But I just didn't believe I was beat 75% of the time against an unknown.

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($29.65)
CO ($10.00)
BTN ($56.01)
SB ($23.45)
BB ($17.55)
[CO posted $0.25]

Pre-flop: ($0.6, 5 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.6, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.5, BB calls $1.5

Turn: ($5.6, 2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero calls $3

River: ($11.6, 2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls $5

Final Pot: $21.35
BB shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $20.3 ( won $9.8 )
BB lost -$10.50

OMFG.
I think Robb JINXED me...lol
Im down another 3 1/2 buy ins today.
So i was at $330, and after 3 sessions im down to $254.91.

March 9th Session 1.
1.
$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
7 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($10.10)
UTG+1 ($7.90)
MP ($10.55)
Hero ($10.00)
BTN ($9.25)
SB ($3.75)
BB ($3.20)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 7 players) Hero is CO
1 fold, BTN says "yt", 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, BTN calls $0.4, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.95, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.7, BTN calls $0.7

Turn: ($2.35, 2 players)
Hero bets $2, BTN calls $2

River: ($6.35, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN goes all-in $6.15, Hero ????


2.
Villain is 50/11/1 over 60 or so hands.
$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($9.85)
UTG+1 ($5.00)
MP1 ($10.70)
Hero ($11.05)
CO ($11.30)
BTN ($9.35)
SB ($16.50)
BB ($9.70)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 8 players) Hero is MP2
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, 2 folds, SB calls $0.35, BB calls $0.3

Flop: ($1.2, 3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.4, Hero raises to $1.5, SB calls $1.5, BB folds

Turn: ($4.6, 2 players)
SB bets $5.8, Hero folds

Final Pot: $4.60

SB wins $10.2 ( won +$2.5 )
Hero lost -$1.90
BB lost -$0.80

3.
$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($2.85)
UTG+1 ($6.40)
MP1 ($4.95)
MP2 ($10.00)
CO ($10.95)
Hero ($15.20)
SB ($9.80)
BB ($2.60)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 8 players) Hero is BTN
UTG calls $0.1, UTG+1 calls $0.1, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.6, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.5, UTG+1 folds

Flop: ($1.45, 2 players)
UTG bets $0.8, Hero raises to $2.2, UTG goes all-in $2.25, Hero calls $0.05

Turn: ($5.95, 2 players)

River: ($5.95, 2 players)

Final Pot: $5.95
UTG shows:
Hero shows:

UTG wins $5.7 ( won +$2.85 )
UTG+1 lost -$0.10
Hero lost -$2.85

1. Bet out on the river. What can he have? Most of the suited broadway crap is out the window after the river. This is dicey, but I don't you're behind here enough to check the river. I'm going broke here, if he's got the better flush. Lots of sets, 2 pair are in his range, most of which won't have the 5th flush card.
2. Good fold.
3. Can't fault this play against a shorty. Impossible to get away from on this dry a board.

Don't blame me for the jinx - i jinx my own damn self too often to take much credit for anyone else's!!

hand one....FOLD. 4th card blows chunks for your, now, 6 high flush.

hand two...he seems passive postflop, but pay as much attention to his WtSD% in your reads. it will give you a better idea as to whether he just calls, or whether he calls EVERYTHING!
but, i fold here, too. its a flush. look at how he weakly donks the turn (giving HIMSELF odds), and blasts river. he hit it.

hand three...be grateful this dillhole called your preflop raise. 6X w/ Q7? he plays any two suited cards, and likely chases ANY flush draw. note him as such, and dont pay off flushes when you charged the hell out of him along the way, and he does to you what villain in hand two did.

Originally Posted by Chopper

hand one....FOLD. 4th card blows chunks for your, now, 6 high flush.

Dunno, chop. Put him on a range, and remember the board blocks most of his diamond holdings. He can have JJ or worse, std junk, Aces/broadways (most of which can't be suited in a way that helps). A set of 8's can't hit the flush. The sc's and TT don't make sense with this betting pattern. The small/med pp's make the most sense, but there's not a big probability he has a diamond. Like I said above, I'm going broke here, but I think a big river bet is needed. I don't see very much of his range both matching the betting and containing a diamond.

how is a "big river bet" needed? villain shoved. its nuts or air (and by air i mean sets, etc, too...basically turning their hands into bluffs). do you burn the rest of your stack on that? river turned my hand into complete shit. its most likely something with the Jd in it. JJ, KJ, QJ, AJ, 9J all may come along in the hand, and whether they have the diamond or not, they may push here. this is why i like short-stacking right now. i am already in, and dont have this decision.

i'll give credit for the Jd and go on my way...money likely saved. and, i will move on to a different spot. calling does nothing for any possible image and i will most likely get another situation in the next 20 minutes or so. and, it may be against this guy, too.

caveat: if you feel this is 50/50, YOU MUST CALL. you are getting 2:1.

Originally Posted by wesrman

River: ($6.35, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN goes all-in $6.15, Hero ????

It's the "Hero checks" part where I'm suggesting a river bet. And I think it's better than 50-50. The villain's bet makes no sense compared to his range and betting patterns. Of course, he sucks at poker, which might explain things.

Originally Posted by Robb

Originally Posted by wesrman

River: ($6.35, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN goes all-in $6.15, Hero ????

It's the "Hero checks" part where I'm suggesting a river bet. And I think it's better than 50-50. The villain's bet makes no sense compared to his range and betting patterns. Of course, he sucks at poker, which might explain things.

Hmm.... I guess many hands don't make sense, but that really takes a little thought and I don't think I'd be able to compute that within 30second timeframe. Usually I just check/fold this river and don't really give it much thought. But I think robb your right, this is isnt a flush all the time - but I still think I cant make this call with a 6high flush.

sorry robb. i didnt see the check first...dunno why.

but, you are suggesting we induced a big bluff. and, you may very well be correct. but, how can we call the shove?

wes, if you had a read on villain being aggro, then, yes...you must call this.

i think its better than 50/50 that no other diamond makes sense. dont we think he'd valuebet it, unless he thinks we are on the flush, too.

why not a blocking bet? i know almost any blocking bet prices us in to call here, but why not give it a shot?

either way, i am looking for the escape hatch w/ the timer on. it may be a different answer if i can stop and think this one through a little. hell, it required thought/discussion to get me this far...lol.

Thanks guys for the discussion on the hands.
I appreciate you taking the time to read them and post.
Its very helpfull to get your thoughts.

March 9th Session 2.
Another brutal session tonight.
Down to $240.91.
Just kind of lost right now as to what the problem is.
Sorry if these hands arent really post worthy.
I just dont really know whats going on,
and im hoping looking at them tomorrow or getting a different point of view will help me.
Or at least i can make sure that im not tilting off money.
I dont mind losing a couple buy ins, but this is ridiculous.
Every hand seems to blow up in my face.
Oh well, it will turn around soon and i will upswing hard.

1.
$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($1.60)
UTG+1 ($10.25)
MP1 ($9.40)
MP2 ($5.45)
MP3 ($12.55)
CO ($8.35)
BTN ($10.95)
Hero ($13.75)
BB ($15.40)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 9 players) Hero is SB
4 folds, MP3 raises to $0.4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.4, 1 fold, MP3 calls $1

Flop: ($2.9, 2 players)
Hero bets $2, MP3 calls $2

Turn: ($6.9, 2 players)
Hero bets $5.4, MP3 calls $5.4

River: ($17.7, 2 players)
Hero goes all-in $4.95, MP3 goes all-in $3.75

Final Pot: $25.20
MP3 shows:
Hero shows:

MP3 wins $24 ( won +$11.45 )
Hero wins $1.2 ( lost -$12.55 )

2.
$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
7 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($7.90)
UTG+1 ($29.70)
MP ($2.50)
CO ($14.85)
Hero ($10.00)
SB ($6.70)
BB ($9.60)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 7 players) Hero is BTN
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.4, MP calls $0.4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, UTG+1 says "are u sure", 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.6, MP calls $0.6

Flop: ($3.15, 3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP checks, Hero bets $2, MP says "are u??", UTG+1 raises to $6, MP folds, Hero ????

Hand 1.
Standard, nothing you can do with that shit. However I have one suggestion, think about your bet sizes/effective stack sizes. I hate leaving pissy little river bets like you did here. It's hard for me to elaborate eloquently on the reason we need to align our stack better, but we do.

If we bet pot of the flop, this means that we have just over a PSB shove on the turn, which I think is better than leaving such a small river betin comparison to the pot size.

Hand 2
This is a fold IMO

agreed.

one....variance.

two... fold where your question marks are. rest looks fine.

March 10thSession 1
I played 1450 hands andim down another 1/2 BI.
BR $236
So im thinking that moving up was a mistake.
I may be tilting a bit because i have been running sooo bad,
but i think what happened was:
I was doing ok at $5NL (not great), then i went on a bit of a heater and made some quick cash. Which put me up to $250 and made me want to move up. I really should have stayed at 5 until i was really owning it and felt 100% sure that i would do well at 10.
I started off good at 10, but now i think a lot of it was just me running good.
Haveto work on not getting too high when things are going good, and not getting too low when things are going bad.

Now i have to decide how much of this is varience and how much of it is just me sucking. Also whether or not i should move down now or wait until i hit $200 which was the original plan.

Any thoughts would be helpfull.
Thanks...

In his KK hand, can we not c/r that turn instead of bet? It seems very thin to try to bet and get value when only something like AQ should be calling. But then again I know nothing about villain.

Originally Posted by wesrman

March 10thSession 1
I played 1450 hands andim down another 1/2 BI.
BR $236
So im thinking that moving up was a mistake.
I may be tilting a bit because i have been running sooo bad,
but i think what happened was:
I was doing ok at $5NL (not great), then i went on a bit of a heater and made some quick cash. Which put me up to $250 and made me want to move up. I really should have stayed at 5 until i was really owning it and felt 100% sure that i would do well at 10.
I started off good at 10, but now i think a lot of it was just me running good.
Haveto work on not getting too high when things are going good, and not getting too low when things are going bad.

Now i have to decide how much of this is varience and how much of it is just me sucking. Also whether or not i should move down now or wait until i hit $200 which was the original plan.

Any thoughts would be helpfull.
Thanks...

wes, this is nothing a lot of us still dont face. some of us control it better than others, but we all face it.

if you feel like you arent ready for 10NL, then, certainly move back down. if your bankroll allows you to stick it out, and you want to see if its simply variance, also fine.

spoon is the biggest proponent i know of that says that you should win solidly, as well as have the money, before you move up. i am not going to dispute that advice.

but, i think you have the game, fwiw. but, its your decision. you make the one that is right for you.

Wes, I don't know what decision is best about moving back down. Moving up definitely wasn't a mistake. You have the game for NL10. It's just not working out right now. You certainly need to move back down if you drop below $200, but that's almost 4 BI away. It will take a lot less time to grind it back up to $300 at NL10 if you start running good.

The key is confidence. If NL10 is getting to you, you need to move back down for a couple thousand hands to get your head right. If you're confident you're playing well and just getting some bad beats and negative variance kickin' in, then keep playing NL10.

I took two shots at NL25 before this one started March 1st. I moved back down both times. I had some kinks in my game that needed more thought, but I was probably at least break-even at NL25 (with rakeback being my only winnings, basically). The problem was confidence - I was playing weak-tight and second-guessing myself on every big decision whereas at NL10 I was just playing poker and letting the game happen.

This time, when I moved up, I faced a 6 BI downswing (of which 2 were definitely my fault), fought back even, then a 3 BI downswing, then some solid results. The thing is, I felt confident about my play after about 1.5k hands. I knew I was playing reasonably well, at least relative to my competition. I knew I could beat the game at NL25, so I stayed even though I was down to $630 in bankroll at one point, very close to my stop-loss.

Only you can assess your confidence. I would move back down to NL10 in a heartbeat if I lost my confidence at NL25. Why beat your head against a brick wall when easy money is only one level down? All that said, I'm not touching any NL10 tables for a long while - I need to focus on NL25 and make this work. It's a problem I can and will solve. I'm confident right now at NL25, excited every time I sit down at the table about doing well.

Only you can assess your confidence level right now, and that's more crucial (imo) than your bankroll. Just know this: you have the game for NL10, and it will all come good for you sooner than you think!!

Ok, so heres my PokerEV graph for $10NL.
Maybe if someone can make sense of it for me.
I can have a better idea of whether or not i am running bad,
or its just me playing bad.
Im sure its a bit of both.
I won 8 buy ins, then dropped 10.

Sklansky bucks (red line) are EV calculations based only hands where showdowns occur. My understanding of these graphs is in this thread:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ev-t68176.html

Basically, you're experiencing negative variance to the tune of 7 BI, imo. The red line shows an upward slope indicating general +EV decisions wherever it's possible to calculate them precisely, street by street. A downward sloping SB line indicates bad decisions. I'm unsure of the exact calculations (and I've searched), but either way it's calculated tilts the SB results toward postflop play. In English, that means your postflop play appears to be solid. And I've seen your PT stats - preflop, you're doing fine.

I would be thrilled if all my NL25 career I had an SB line like the one in this graph. Warning, though, this is a small sample, since SB's are only calculated when a showdown occurs, a percentage of time you can find in PT stats. Basically, the trend looks positive, like you're making sound decisions and just having lots of miracles hit the river after you've committed a ton of chips. You're getting your money in good.

Keep pwn'ing NL10, man. You're there with your game. The results will come.

Isn't the blue line above the red line mean he's actually running well because you should be running at your red line? Also, some say you need to look at "All-in Luck" to see really how you are running. Bah, I am really no expert at this.

Originally Posted by kmind

Isn't the blue line above the red line mean he's actually running well because you should be running at your red line? Also, some say you need to look at "All-in Luck" to see really how you are running. Bah, I am really no expert at this.

Oops - you may have me, there. Red and blue should track roughly the same thing, with Green being the overall actual results. I didn't look closely and thought it was "all-in" like on the other screen. Hmm...I was probably full of crap.

Originally Posted by wesrman

March 10thSession 1
I played 1450 hands andim down another 1/2 BI.
BR $236
So im thinking that moving up was a mistake.
I may be tilting a bit because i have been running sooo bad,
but i think what happened was:
I was doing ok at $5NL (not great), then i went on a bit of a heater and made some quick cash. Which put me up to $250 and made me want to move up. I really should have stayed at 5 until i was really owning it and felt 100% sure that i would do well at 10.
I started off good at 10, but now i think a lot of it was just me running good.
Haveto work on not getting too high when things are going good, and not getting too low when things are going bad.

Now i have to decide how much of this is varience and how much of it is just me sucking. Also whether or not i should move down now or wait until i hit $200 which was the original plan.

Any thoughts would be helpfull.
Thanks...

I somehow missed this.

It´s not a secret, that I´m advocating a way more aggresive BRM at micros than spoon does and I was one of the guys telling u to move up. Now the tables have turned, but you know what? I don´t feel the least bit sorry for you, cuz I´m pretty confident you made money all along. You lost a good chunk or your roll and a couple of big pots, but when I recall your progress so far and look thru the hands posted in here I can just say:
" Dude hang on, u got the game for 10NL"

You´re lacking confidence in your game, but that´s what we all do when push comes to shove. It´s a natural process and a necessary part of every grinders evolution to question you´re own game over and over again. And tbh, we wouldn´t question our play all that much if we hadn´t to go thru cold weeks now and then.

Try to direct these strong emotions into a positive and useful direction, take the cold deck and bad beats as inspiration and motivation to improve your game.

If I were u, I´d stay at 10NL until I crash thru $200, but if u feel truly uncomfortable, move back down.

oh, regarding your pokerev graph (!!ask someone who really understands this graphs, before u listen to a graph-donk like me !!)

The gap between red/blue and green that starts openening at 9k shows basically "lost without SD", which means u either started making a ton of huge laydowns or suddenly became a river chicken

as long as red and blue run somewhat parallel there´s no indication that u ran bad at showdowns.
Look for the recent 10 laydowns in 60BB+ pots u made and post them

Ok im sure this should tell me what my main issues are,
and destroy any thoughts that i play decent.
Please help and feel free to berate.
I dont care, i just want to get better.

General Stats


More detail (i did 2 screen shots because i suck at computers as much
as i suck at poker)




Position Stats

couple of quick things that I noticed. First, your position stats seems really flat until the CO/BTN. Don't know if you want to try raising over limpers more, or something like that.

Second, under the more detail, take a good look at your steal success, and what that is telling you. 1)you take down the blinds 60% of the time. 2)of the 40% that see a flop you are winning without showdown 75% of the time. 3)when you do get to showdown, you are winning 60% of the time.

what does all of this tell you about stealing blinds/the play of your opponents post flop and what can you do to take advantage of this? I am not suggesting you undertake a massive change in style here, but even a minor tweaking could show some good results.

very much agree with pgil here. I'd steal blinds a lot more, like mid-low 30%. I also wonder if you abuse limpers or not, mainly in later position.

Originally Posted by kmind

very much agree with pgil here. I'd steal blinds a lot more, like mid-low 30%. I also wonder if you abuse limpers or not, mainly in later position.

Thanks.
Ive been working on stealing. If you recall, last time you suggested it i was at like 16% or something like that and now im up to 24%. the problem is, when i have 2 stations to my left i cant steal anything.
When its someone relatively tight i havebeen stealing with almost any two cards.

March 11 session 1
Ok so im down more..lol $203
Now i dont have to make the decision, its made for me.
Im dropping down to $5NL which wouldnt be so dissapointing if i hadnt won the $80 the first few days and thought i was doing well.
Oh well thats poker.
I have figured out one leak so far.
(although any more advice regarding my stats is welcome)
Im c betting way too much and leaking money real bad.
So i will work on being more selective and learning what boards are best, and which to stay away from.
I stil think im running bad, even if im doing ok in showdowns.
I think i am just folding when i know im beat for the most part (maybe too often), but im compounding it by c betting like a retard.
Heres a few hands from todays session that im only posting to see if i could have done anything differently in.
These hands are what killed me today.
Other than these i actually thought i played OK.
So ill drop down and work on cbetting in better spots and be back up in no time. I just wish i would have been checking the stat the whole time.
It may have saved me some $$$$.
1.
$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
7 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($11.90)
UTG+1 ($2.50)
MP ($11.50)
Hero ($9.90)
BTN ($9.85)
SB ($5.80)
BB ($3.40)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 7 players) Hero is CO
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.5, 2 folds, BB calls $0.4, UTG+1 folds

Flop: ($1.15, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.9, BB calls $0.9

Turn: ($2.95, 2 players)
BB goes all-in $2, Hero calls $2

River: ($6.95, 2 players)

Final Pot: $6.95
BB shows:
Hero shows:

BB wins $6.65 ( won +$3.25 )
UTG+1 lost -$0.10
Hero lost -$3.40

2.
$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($10.00)
UTG+1 ($1.90)
MP1 ($12.80)
MP2 ($3.40)
MP3 ($13.45)
CO ($9.90)
BTN ($9.20)
SB ($5.20)
BB ($2.50)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 9 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $0.5, UTG+1 calls $0.5, 7 folds

Flop: ($1.15, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.9, UTG+1 goes all-in $1.4, Hero calls $0.5

Turn: ($3.95, 2 players)

River: ($3.95, 2 players)

Final Pot: $3.95
Hero shows:
UTG+1 shows:

UTG+1 wins $3.8 ( won +$1.9 )
Hero lost -$1.90

3.
$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
7 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($6.70)
UTG+1 ($10.45)
MP ($0.65)
CO ($7.00)
BTN ($13.10)
SB ($8.25)
Hero ($10.35)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 7 players) Hero is BB
UTG calls $0.1, UTG+1 calls $0.1, 1 fold, CO calls $0.1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.5, 5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.5, 5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.4, UTG calls $0.4, UTG+1 raises to $0.8, 1 fold, SB folds, Hero raises to $3.2, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $2.4

River: ($7.3, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

Final Pot: $7.30
Hero shows:
UTG+1 shows:

UTG+1 wins $6.95 ( won +$3.65 )
CO lost -$0.10
SB lost -$0.10
Hero lost -$3.30
UTG lost -$0.50

4.
$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($10.35)
UTG+1 ($16.65)
MP1 ($10.40)
MP2 ($2.05)
Hero ($12.20)
BTN ($5.05)
SB ($12.25)
BB ($13.65)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 8 players) Hero is CO
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, BB raises to $1.3, Hero raises to $4.4, SB folds, BB goes all-in $13.65, Hero goes all-in $7.8

Flop: ($24.8, 2 players)

Turn: ($24.8, 2 players)

River: ($24.8, 2 players)

Final Pot: $24.80
Hero shows:
BB shows:

BB wins $25.05 ( won +$11.4 )
Hero lost -$12.20
SB lost -$0.40

Originally Posted by wesrman

Heres a few hands from todays session that im only posting to see if i could have done anything differently in. These hands are what killed me today. Other than these i actually thought i played OK.

Dude, you got all the money in while you were ahead significantly in each. There's nothing you can do if you got sucked out out.

all look pretty good. You got the money in pretty far ahead in 2 of the 4. The AK vs 77 hand your opp was too short for it to matter. AA vs KK sucks but happens. The only think I would look at in a hand like that is if you are getting value out of AK/QQ/JJ with your line. If you are vs. your opponents then nh. If not, then you may want to see a flop with the button and get it AI on the flop. End result is the same in this hand, but you will get more from hands that you are beating in future situations.

yep, hands look good.

I definitely applaud you for thinking of the right boards to cbet. This will help tremendously if you get a good idea. Try to figure out their ranges and what all hands can you get to fold with certain boards. Also think of what types of hands YOU have and if maybe checking behind is better etc. If you really have calling stations when you are trying to isolate, try to come up with a good range vs. theirs and don't bluff, just value town them to death.

I´d go broke in all 4 hands u posted.

You are cbetting like 60-65% which is quite low. I suppose the problem lays more in your preflop play, where u´re not often enough IP, given the low gradient from UTG to MP3. Loosen more up in the HJ and MP3 and be more cautious in UTG and UTG+1.

When u say you´re spewing money with cbets, what does your opposition to make u feel this? Do they call too much or give u trouble right on the flop?

In case they call too much, go to Massimo´s blog/OP and look for his thoughts on 2barrels.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...me-t54259.html

Hi there, keep seeing you at the tables, thought I would say good luck man!

Originally Posted by XTR1000

I´d go broke in all 4 hands u posted.

You are cbetting like 60-65% which is quite low. I suppose the problem lays more in your preflop play, where u´re not often enough IP, given the low gradient from UTG to MP3. Loosen more up in the HJ and MP3 and be more cautious in UTG and UTG+1.

When u say you´re spewing money with cbets, what does your opposition to make u feel this? Do they call too much or give u trouble right on the flop?

In case they call too much, go to Massimo´s blog/OP and look for his thoughts on 2barrels.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...me-t54259.html

My flop agression is like 7.
You dont think that is too high???
They seem to be calling on the flop, then calling on the turn also when i chose to fire again.
This could have something to do with the fact that i havent been hitting flops very hard lately, and when i do, it seems like my opponents are too.

Wow great post my massimo about 2 barreling, thanks XTR.

FlopAF and %cbet are two different pair of shoes. FlopAF reflects a ratio, while %cbet is an absolute rate. U could cbet 10% and still have a monster AF.

7 is pretty high tho, but I remember we talked about this topic earlier here, didnt we?

Given your opposition calls too much u clearly should cbet less, there´s no point in cbetting air if they call anyway and no need to balance big hands with junk if they call anyway. Just valuebet them hard lower your valuebet requirements. I´ll be in mIRC/msn tonight, would be glad to talk some poker.

1.
Opponent is 23/11/4.
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($10.97)
UTG+1 ($7.48)
MP1 ($5.77)
MP2 ($2.88)
Hero ($8.98)
CO ($15.00)
BTN ($1.72)
SB ($4.68)
BB ($5.76)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 9 players) Hero is MP3
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.65, 4 folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.2, Hero calls $0.55

Flop: ($2.47, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $2, UTG+1 goes all-in $6.28, Hero folds

Final Pot: $6.47

Hero wins $2.2204460492503E-16 ( lost -$3.2 )
UTG+1 wins $10.45 ( won +$2.97 )

What's your reasoning for betting on that flop?

Played some 6 max to change things up a bit.
Thought i might enjoy it.
Lol, same old shit.
I started at 5NL 6 max, that went bad.
Played some 2NL 6 max that went meh.
So now im dropping down to 2NL FR,
and if i cant at least break even there im gonna take some time off.
Please critique, if there is anything i could do better i need to know.

Heres 2 hands from my 6 max mini session.
1.
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO ($1.38)
BTN ($7.47)
SB ($12.57)
Hero ($4.80)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 4 players) Hero is BB
CO goes all-in $1.38, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.33

Flop: ($2.78, 2 players)

Turn: ($2.78, 2 players)

River: ($2.78, 2 players)

Final Pot: $2.78
Hero shows:
CO shows:

Hero wins $2.2204460492503E-16 ( lost -$1.38 )
CO wins $2.68 ( won +$1.3 )

2.
Am i playing my aces too strong???
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($3.95)
CO ($4.88)
BTN ($9.83)
Hero ($4.93)
BB ($2.23)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 5 players) Hero is SB
2 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.3

Flop: ($0.95, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.8, BTN goes all-in $9.38, Hero goes all-in $3.68

Turn: ($9.91, 2 players)

River: ($9.91, 2 players)

Final Pot: $9.91
BTN shows:
Hero shows:

BTN wins $14.36 ( won +$4.53 )
Hero wins $5.5511151231258E-17 ( lost -$4.93 )


Some hands from FR.
3.
$0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
7 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($0.49)
UTG+1 ($0.99)
MP ($2.76)
CO ($5.50)
BTN ($2.62)
SB ($0.89)
Hero ($1.95)

Pre-flop: ($0.03, 7 players) Hero is BB
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP raises to $0.2, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.64, UTG+1 folds, MP raises to $2.22, Hero goes all-in $1.31

Flop: ($3.93, 2 players)

Turn: ($3.93, 2 players)

River: ($3.93, 2 players)

Final Pot: $3.93
Hero shows:
MP shows:

MP wins $4.05 ( won +$1.83 )
Hero lost -$1.95
UTG+1 lost -$0.02