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  1. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by zook
    Go back to basics man. Table select, seat select, tighten up. It's easy to make this game a lot harder than it needs to be. By say... 3betting like a monkey. I'm not saying there's no place for that, but why not save it for loose/bad players when you're in position? Keep your head up and get back to basics.
    Thanks Zook, yah I was actually thinking the same thing. I keep an excel sheet of my changing roll by the day and write notes for the day of things "I learned" (where learn means: made note of for that day, and seem to immediately forget the next session).

    yesterday I wrote: If a player is calling all your 3-bets, just tighten up OOP and 3-bet him looser in position.

    I guess I was just drooling at the thought of all the value there. At value towning him with my K8 vs his K3 etc etc. I don't think its necessarily bad, but it's certainly more high variance. I think i'm probably at a state right now where I should be looking for some small victories, and lower variance.

    I was contemplating dropping down to 400-500nl for a bit, and take a break from 1k-2knl. We'll see if I stick to it.

    I don't know if this applies to all sites, but I'm getting it drilled into my head more and more than most/all late street raises are almost always legitimate on crypto. I feel like I'm the only player that's bluffing on my site! geeez
  2. #77
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    Thoughts from a noob:

    You're too good to get stuck playing one style per day just because you decide to. Switch up your playing style on the go. When a villain starts adjusting to you, adjust back to exploit his adjustments, then when he thinks he's got you figured out again, change back again.

    Sounds like you're stubbornly sticking to your play of the day regardless of opponents and how they're playing back at you.
    Just dipping my toes back in.
  3. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by bjsaust
    Thoughts from a noob:

    You're too good to get stuck playing one style per day just because you decide to. Switch up your playing style on the go. When a villain starts adjusting to you, adjust back to exploit his adjustments, then when he thinks he's got you figured out again, change back again.

    Sounds like you're stubbornly sticking to your play of the day regardless of opponents and how they're playing back at you.
    Hey man, thanks for the thoughts.

    I think you hit it spot on with your use of 'stubborness'.I think a lot of it is stubborness. Either wanting to play a certain way, and just not adapting cause I wanna run some guy over or just being stubborn with hands and not folding them when i clearly should.

    Really moreso the folding. My fold button has been broken for the last few weeks.... I'm bringing it back though....
  4. #79
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    You need to sit down and talk with Alexos imo
  5. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by kmind
    You need to sit down and talk with Alexos imo
    Hahah.. yah I didddd.I need his nitty reminders to smack folding into my game.

    We also established that a lot of the good aggro highstakes regs are probably gone to Vegas. So it seems that no aggro players = my game goes to hell.

    Damn passive nits!
  6. #81
    OMG I need to move up, nit it up and profit from U
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  7. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc
    OMG I need to move up, nit it up and profit from U
    Haha.. nit it up.. and after yesterday's session it seems that villains that check/call against me is my demise!

    I can't resist trying to steal it from them when they check.

    BUTTT the good news is that I finally booked a freaking winning session, holy! It had been like > week. Up $7k, boook it... let the comeback begin. AGAIN.


    DAMN check callers!!

    -These hands with Billy are pretty stupid preflop even, cause he's pretty tight nitty
    preflop so I shouldn't even be playing these hands.

    Hand 1
    -river is a brutal card to continue this bluff on

    Game #7553837004: Hold'em NL (£2/£5) - 2008/06/25 - 23:09:02 (UK)
    Table "Alltablesopen" Seat 3 is the button.
    Seat 1: jobelu (£92.48 in chips)
    Seat 2: Longarms (£1028.05 in chips)
    Seat 3: Hero (£813.95 in chips)
    Seat 4: Jas0707 (£1216.29 in chips)
    Seat 5: Jimmyb78 (£716 in chips)
    Seat 6: Billy555 (£500 in chips)
    Jas0707: posts small blind £2
    Jimmyb78: posts big blind £5
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [Jh Qc]
    Billy555: raises to £20
    jobelu: folds
    Longarms: folds
    Hero: calls £20
    Jas0707: folds
    Jimmyb78: folds
    ----- FLOP ----- [Tc 2h 7d]
    Billy555: checks
    Hero: bets £32
    Billy555: calls £32
    ----- TURN ----- [Tc 2h 7d][8d]
    Billy555: checks
    Hero: bets £65
    Billy555: calls £65
    ----- RIVER ----- [Tc 2h 7d 8d][8c]
    Billy555: checks
    Hero: bets £222
    Billy555: calls £222
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    Hero: shows [Jh Qc] (A Pair of Eights, Queen high)
    Billy555: shows [Jd Jc] (Two Pairs, Jacks and Eights, Ten high)
    Billy555 collected £682 from Main pot

    Hand 2
    -I had been isolating on megafish all session, but decided to just flat this
    in position since regs in blinds started playing at my isolation raises

    Game #7553815514: Hold'em NL (£2/£5) - 2008/06/25 - 23:03:08 (UK)
    Table "Shameful" Seat 4 is the button.
    Seat 1: thekop (£115.30 in chips)
    Seat 2: oiQio (£250.95 in chips)
    Seat 3: spacey5 (£219 in chips)
    Seat 4: Hero (£1525.65 in chips)
    Seat 5: Longarms (£950.85 in chips)
    Billy555 joins the table at seat #6
    Longarms: posts small blind £2
    Billy555: posts big blind £5
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [Jd Ad]
    thekop: calls £5
    oiQio: folds
    spacey5: folds
    Hero: calls £5
    Longarms: folds
    Billy555: raises to £30
    thekop: calls £25
    Heffalump joins the table at seat #2
    Hero: calls £25
    ----- FLOP ----- [Qc 7c Td]
    Billy555: bets £59
    thekop: folds
    Hero: calls £59
    ----- TURN ----- [Qc 7c Td][3d]
    Billy555: checks
    Hero: checks
    ----- RIVER ----- [Qc 7c Td 3d][8c]
    Billy555: checks
    Hero: bets £135
    Billy555: calls £135
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    Hero: shows [Jd Ad] (High Card Ace)
    Billy555: shows [Ac As] (A Pair of Aces, Queen high)
    Billy555 collected £477 from Main pot

    Hand 3

    Game #7552973894: Hold'em NL ($5/$10) - 2008/06/25 - 22:18:19 (UK)
    Table "Whinchmorehill" Seat 2 is the button.
    Seat 1: Grasso2 ($400 in chips)
    Seat 2: Hero ($1692 in chips)
    Seat 3: Longarms ($934 in chips)
    Seat 4: Brutus ($1000 in chips)
    Seat 6: jroclahey ($1050 in chips)
    Longarms: posts small blind $5
    Brutus: posts big blind $10
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [Td 9d]
    jroclahey: raises to $30
    Hero: calls $30
    Longarms: folds
    Brutus: folds
    ----- FLOP ----- [4c Qd Kh]
    jroclahey: checks
    Hero: bets $50
    jroclahey: calls $50
    ----- TURN ----- [4c Qd Kh][7c]
    jroclahey: checks
    Hero: bets $164
    jroclahey: calls $164
    ----- RIVER ----- [4c Qd Kh 7c][5c]
    jroclahey: checks
    Hero: checks
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    jroclahey: shows [Ah Qs] (A Pair of Queens, Ace high)
    Hero: mucks hand [Td 9d]
    jroclahey collected $501 from Main pot


    Some other hands from yesterday


    Hand 4

    -Just based on timing and the board, felt like it was more likely he had a draw here

    Game #7551983644: Hold'em NL ($5/$10) - 2008/06/25 - 21:23:38 (UK)
    Table "Whinchmorehill" Seat 3 is the button.
    Seat 1: fausto ($935 in chips)
    Seat 2: Hero ($1076 in chips)
    Seat 3: Longarms ($1129 in chips)
    Seat 5: Lang_56 ($1634.45 in chips)
    Lang_56: posts small blind $5
    fausto: posts big blind $10
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [Ac Qd]
    Hero: raises to $40
    Longarms: calls $40
    Lang_56: folds
    fausto: folds
    ----- FLOP ----- [5c Jd 6d]
    Hero: bets $70
    Longarms: raises to $210
    Hero: raises to $1036 and is all-in
    Longarms: calls $826
    ----- TURN ----- [5c Jd 6d][Tc]
    ----- RIVER ----- [5c Jd 6d Tc][Ks]
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    Hero: shows [Ac Qd] (A Straight, Ace high)
    Longarms: shows [Ad Td] (A Pair of Tens, Ace high)
    Hero collected $2165 from Main pot


    Hand 5

    -This guy ws being pretty damn aggro, 3-betting very light PF (KTo from blinds against UTG+1 openers etc)
    -Intentional small bet on flop to induce raises from all draws and shove over, works like a charm!

    Game #7553247624: Hold'em NL ($5/$10) - 2008/06/25 - 22:39:03 (UK)
    Table "Whinchmorehill" Seat 4 is the button.
    Seat 1: Grasso2 ($357.75 in chips)
    Seat 2: Hero ($2544 in chips)
    Seat 3: Longarms ($799 in chips)
    Seat 4: Brutus ($1098 in chips)
    Seat 5: kashen ($1100.75 in chips)
    Seat 6: jroclahey ($1157 in chips)
    kashen: posts small blind $5
    jroclahey: posts big blind $10
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [Ks Kd]
    Grasso2: folds
    Hero: raises to $40
    Longarms: folds
    Brutus: folds
    kashen: raises to $140
    jroclahey: folds
    Hero: calls $100
    ----- FLOP ----- [8s 9s 7h]
    kashen: checks
    Hero: bets $110
    kashen: raises to $420
    Hero: raises to $2404 and is all-in
    kashen: is all-in $540.75
    Returned uncalled bets $1,443.25 to Hero
    ----- TURN ----- [8s 9s 7h][5s]
    ----- RIVER ----- [8s 9s 7h 5s][4s]
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    Hero: shows [Ks Kd] (A Flush, King high)
    kashen: shows [Kh Tc] (High Card King)
    Hero collected $2208.50 from Main pot



    Hand 6

    -Hands like this piss the crap out of me!

    Game #7552003914: Hold'em NL (£2/£5) - 2008/06/25 - 21:15:42 (UK)
    Table "Shameful" Seat 3 is the button.
    Seat 1: thekop (£292.80 in chips)
    Seat 2: oiQio (£179.40 in chips)
    Seat 3: JensLE (£538.39 in chips)
    Seat 4: Hero (£569.40 in chips)
    Seat 5: Longarms (£590.80 in chips)
    Seat 6: Vegaslou (£196.30 in chips)
    Hero: posts small blind £2
    Longarms: posts big blind £5
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [Kc Jc]
    Vegaslou: folds
    thekop: folds
    oiQio: calls £5
    JensLE: raises to £22
    Hero: calls £20
    Longarms: folds
    oiQio: folds
    ----- FLOP ----- [Kh Jh 4d]
    Hero: checks
    JensLE: bets £40
    Hero: raises to £150
    JensLE: raises to £516.39 and is all-in
    Hero: calls £366.39
    ----- TURN ----- [Kh Jh 4d][4s]
    ----- RIVER ----- [Kh Jh 4d 4s][4h]
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    JensLE: shows [Ac Ks] (A Full House, Fours full of Kings)
    Hero: shows [Kc Jc] (A Full House, Fours full of Kings)
    Hero collected £541.89 from Main pot
    JensLE collected £541.89 from Main pot
  8. #83
    looks like that Billy guy doesn't like money
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  9. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc
    looks like that Billy guy doesn't like money
    Either that, or he bets against every other station, and owns my over-aggro soul.
  10. #85
    I don t mind the river in the AA hand but not betting or check/raising the turn there seems criminal
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  11. #86
    Closing out the month on a good note at least.

    These have been the swingiest few weeks ever. I'm not sure what it's gonna take to smack some sense into my game, and to finally realize the folding folding folding is the key to everything.

    Hopefully it just clicks once and for all!

    Last 5 days up like $24k'ish, which will quasi salvage this horrid month a bit at least.

    July.... July will be key... "The month of folding"... here we go!
  12. #87
    lol good luck man, did you at least break even for June?
    Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
  13. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Da GOAT
    lol good luck man, did you at least break even for June?
    haha noooooooo down 2k, shiip it!

    Actually, I should be getting like 2.1k from rakeback, up $100!!
  14. #89
    So Alexos and I just agreed to another bet.

    Terms of the bet:

    -Winner is defined as the player to win the most money in the month of July
    -No rules on limits to be played
    -All play on interpoker only
    -We had some issues with regards to Alexos playing a lot more than me and 10 tabling at times vs my 4-6 tabling so we made a cap on hands:
    -maximum of 40k hands (unless the person with the least hands gets over 30k hands, in which case the max number of hands is 10k hands more than the person who played less). So technically if I play 20k hands and he plays 40k hands, that's my problem for not playing more. But if I play 34k hands he can have up to 44k hands etc.
    -rakeback does not count as winnings
    -bonuses count only because we will both win the same amount of bonuses
    -if any player plays less than 15k hands (for some unforeseen reason, emergency etc etc) the bet is called off

    -The bet is for $1k

    Alexos - I've been playing properly for the last week. I will continue to play properly for the next month. Please prepare to get owneeed!

    staaaaaaaaaarting now!
  15. #90
    gl ull need it
    Nine to five is how to survive - I ain't trying to survive / I'm trying to live it to the limit and love it a lot //

    Can offer RB deals on most sites, PM me.
  16. #91
    Post some pics so we can join in some side action.

    I want pictures of Griffey & Alexos flexing their muscles (or lack thereof). The pic has to be done by themselves, topless and in front of a bathroom mirror.

    I add $50 to the winner of the prop bet who looks the least "douchey".

    P.S. I'm not gay, not that there is anything wrong with it.
  17. #92
    lol silu.

    glglgl both of you!
    3k post - Return of the blog!
  18. #93
    I think Alexos and I both doomswitched ourselves by starting this bet. We both ran pretty bad yesterday, ship the went to SD 22% and won at SD 38% yesss

    Played a ton of hands, like 3.5k hands and was down $3.6k. Sweet, down $1/hand, awesomeness.

    I'm gonna try making a few changes this month. Open raising to 3x so that I can 4-bet bluff to smaller amounts. STOP 5-bet jamming (4-betting with) hands like AJ/AQ that are gonna get ownnned by AK. Instead 5-bet jam with ands like 56s, 9Ts etc.

    I stack off AQ vs AK preflop waaay more times than I'd like to even think about.

    I'm also gonna start river c/r'ing more for value and as bluffs (see Alexos' blog for my attempted bluff gone wrong on him).
  19. #94
    do some allin math vs ranges to maybe re-enforce some equities for AJ compared to SCs.

    maybe just doing an hour of PT/HM review wud be solid.

    id say only raise smaller pre on BTN and only vs ppl who 3bet there blinds alot otherwise make pot bigger if they call lots or are fish. if they are uber tight then 3x is more profitable
    Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
  20. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Da GOAT
    do some allin math vs ranges to maybe re-enforce some equities for AJ compared to SCs.

    maybe just doing an hour of PT/HM review wud be solid.

    id say only raise smaller pre on BTN and only vs ppl who 3bet there blinds alot otherwise make pot bigger if they call lots or are fish. if they are uber tight then 3x is more profitable
    So here are a few stoves. This scenario is assuming villain button opens, we 3-bet in the blinds and they 4-bet in position.

    I took out some combo's of AA/KK etc cause I feel as though a lot of ppl might flat these in position (instead of 4-betting) and 4-bet primarily AK/AQish type hands.

    This is the equity of our 5-bet if called by villain. These hands are in order of increasing equity vs their calling range:

    AJo: 25.9%

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 74.088% 72.73% 01.36% 463286512 8639081.00 { AcAd, AcAh, AcAs, AdAs, KcKd, KcKh, KcKs, KdKh, KdKs, QQ-JJ, AQs+, AKo }
    Hand 1: 25.912% 24.56% 01.36% 156412414 8639081.00 { AJo }

    AJs: 29.8%

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 70.199% 68.86% 01.34% 139125708 2713451.00 { AcAd, AcAh, AcAs, AdAs, KcKd, KcKh, KcKs, KdKh, KdKs, QcQd, QcQh, QcQs, QdQh, QdQs, JcJd, JcJh, JcJs, JdJh, JdJs, AQs+, AKo }
    Hand 1: 29.801% 28.46% 01.34% 57499262 2713451.00 { AJs }

    A5s: 31.03%

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 68.974% 67.74% 01.23% 148472904 2701580.00 { AcAd, AcAh, AcAs, AdAs, KcKd, KcKh, KcKs, KdKh, KdKs, QcQd, QcQh, QcQs, QdQh, QdQs, JcJd, JcJh, JcJs, JdJh, JdJs, AQs+, AKo }
    Hand 1: 31.026% 29.79% 01.23% 65298848 2701580.00 { A5s }

    56s: 31.66%

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 68.342% 68.12% 00.22% 181954674 600651.00 { AcAd, AcAh, AcAs, AdAs, KcKd, KcKh, KcKs, KdKh, KdKs, QcQd, QcQh, QcQs, QdQh, QdQs, JcJd, JcJh, JcJs, JdJh, JdJs, AQs+, AKo }
    Hand 1: 31.658% 31.43% 00.22% 83963448 600651.00 { 65s }

    AQs: 34%

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 65.950% 60.53% 05.42% 122308710 10944334.00 { AcAd, AcAh, AcAs, AdAs, KcKd, KcKh, KcKs, KdKh, KdKs, QcQd, QcQh, QcQs, QdQh, QdQs, JcJd, JcJh, JcJs, JdJh, JdJs, AQs+, AKo }
    Hand 1: 34.050% 28.63% 05.42% 57854494 10944334.00 { AQs }

    33: 35.84%

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 64.166% 63.90% 00.26% 256042014 1057653.00 { AcAd, AcAh, AcAs, AdAs, KcKd, KcKh, KcKs, KdKh, KdKs, QcQd, QcQh, QcQs, QdQh, QdQs, JcJd, JcJh, JcJs, JdJh, JdJs, AQs+, AKo }
    Hand 1: 35.834% 35.57% 00.26% 142521816 1057653.00 { 33 }

    99: 37%

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 63.004% 62.81% 00.20% 251649492 795174.00 { AcAd, AcAh, AcAs, AdAs, KcKd, KcKh, KcKs, KdKh, KdKs, QcQd, QcQh, QcQs, QdQh, QdQs, JcJd, JcJh, JcJs, JdJh, JdJs, AQs+, AKo }
    Hand 1: 36.996% 36.80% 00.20% 147439296 795174.00 { 99 }
  21. #96
    So Alexos and I are doing a good job at butchering our bet right now! (butchering: see, the bet is looking like it'll go to to loser of the 'least' money instead of the winner of the 'most' money).

    we're both running like ass right now, and hopefully it turns around!
  22. #97
    Soooo.. once again I find myself in a 15k downswing. I'm really not sure how this many upswings and downswings is humanly possible, and I think I'm breaking all sorts of records.

    I can recognize that I'm not playin that great. I'm spewing so much and just refusing to let go of hands pre (AQ is causing big problems.. 4-betting it instead of folding etc) I'm also running severely bad, which I'll contribute about 10k to this downswing (won at SD some kind of ass 44% over stretch), but still.

    HOLY COW FOLD MARGINAL HANDSSSS

    -AQ is NOT a good 4-bet/call hand, it's a good 3-bet hand and even that is stretching it vs someone with a tight calling range. Often better off flatting it and keeping in hands you dominate

    I also can't play in 3-bet pots in position if my life depended on it. Not having initiative like counteracts what I perceive is any gain for me in position. I just end up stacking off.. hoping they are bluffing into me with pocket my 99-JJ on Q high boards etc.

    Something's gotta give at some point.. not sure what that is yet...but something..
  23. #98
    Just tighten up goddammit!

    You're right that AQ isn't a good 4bet/call hand, but it is a good 3bet hand, esp. if villain likes to call 3bets.

    Calling 3bets in position is fine if you know they're a light 3bettor and know a little about their postflop tendencies in 3bet pots (capable of c/folding low flops with overcards? great, call those 3bets. auto cbets any A or K high flop and occasionally double-barrels? great, call those 3bets with AJ+/KJ+. etc.). But in general, against players you don't have history with, you should be folding to 3bets.

    Find fish, get position on them, wait for hands and valuebet them. Resist the urge to make fancy plays or catch others making them for awhile. This game is easier than you make it!
  24. #99
    Zook's post should be your bible. So true, keep it simple man!
    Nine to five is how to survive - I ain't trying to survive / I'm trying to live it to the limit and love it a lot //

    Can offer RB deals on most sites, PM me.
  25. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by zook
    Just tighten up goddammit!

    You're right that AQ isn't a good 4bet/call hand, but it is a good 3bet hand, esp. if villain likes to call 3bets.

    Calling 3bets in position is fine if you know they're a light 3bettor and know a little about their postflop tendencies in 3bet pots (capable of c/folding low flops with overcards? great, call those 3bets. auto cbets any A or K high flop and occasionally double-barrels? great, call those 3bets with AJ+/KJ+. etc.). But in general, against players you don't have history with, you should be folding to 3bets.

    Find fish, get position on them, wait for hands and valuebet them. Resist the urge to make fancy plays or catch others making them for awhile. This game is easier than you make it!
    Good post Zook!

    Ok I'll listen to Alexos, and this quote is now my bible... let's see what happens!

    I think its more the barelling thats my problem, or facing barrels rather in 3-bet pots. I call 3-bets with hands like 88-JJ, and then it flops Q high or K high or something. I call their flop bet cause I know they will auto cbet, and then facing that next barrel...somehow I always seem to pick the wrong spots to jam on the turns.. either that.. or they always have it!
  26. #101
    Played one of my longest sessions today in a while, around 4k hands. I was down like $5k earlier in the day after 1k hands and then I read the zook bible and ended the day down $3.7k. So up $1.3k under the new zook bible!

    This was a pretty lameo session, with some stupid stackoffs I couldn't help and others were just suckout bad beat central. Here are some of the bigger losses.




    Hand 1
    -I don't normally call this to a 3-bet, but villain was 3betting me NON STOP and had seen him 3-betting hands like KTs even

    Game #6074184993: Hold'em NL ($5/$10) - 2008/07/09 - 15:26:48 (UK)
    Table "Wadsworth" Seat 1 is the button.
    Seat 1: Hero ($970 in chips)
    Seat 2: pard01 ($1384 in chips)
    Seat 4: pallefinn ($2642 in chips)
    pard01: posts small blind $5
    pallefinn: posts big blind $10
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [Jd Ac]
    Hero: raises to $30
    pard01: raises to $110
    pallefinn: folds
    Hero: calls $80
    ----- FLOP ----- [9c 7c Ad]
    pard01: bets $148
    Hero: calls $148
    ----- TURN ----- [9c 7c Ad][4d]
    pard01: bets $200
    Hero: calls $200
    ----- RIVER ----- [9c 7c Ad 4d][2c]
    pard01: bets $926 and is all-in
    Hero: is all-in $512
    Returned uncalled bets $414 to pard01
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    pard01: shows [Ah Qc] (A Pair of Aces, Queen high)
    Hero: shows [Jd Ac] (A Pair of Aces, Jack high)
    pard01 collected $1948 from Main pot


    Hand 2
    -Same villain as above, decided to take a stand against him, by 4-betting him for the first time. I should have made it bigger but don't mind ppl calling small 4-bets OOP, spew central for them
    -was confused on optimal bet sizing on flop

    Game #6074729173: Hold'em NL ($5/$10) - 2008/07/09 - 15:53:41 (UK)
    Table "Wailuku" Seat 6 is the button.
    Seat 1: TurboTT1 ($1498 in chips)
    Seat 3: pard01 ($1460.25 in chips)
    Seat 4: SoIidStat ($1162 in chips)
    Seat 5: Runner__ ($760.50 in chips)
    Seat 6: Hero ($1085 in chips)
    TurboTT1: posts small blind $5
    pard01: posts big blind $10
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [Ts 9s]
    SoIidStat: folds
    Runner__: folds
    Hero: raises to $30
    TurboTT1: folds
    pard01: raises to $110
    Hero: raises to $230
    pard01: calls $120
    ----- FLOP ----- [Qh Jd 3s]
    pard01: checks
    Hero: bets $395
    pard01: raises to $1230.25 and is all-in
    Hero: is all-in $460
    Returned uncalled bets $375.25 to pard01
    ----- TURN ----- [Qh Jd 3s][Qc]
    gubbe004 joins the table at seat #2
    ----- RIVER ----- [Qh Jd 3s Qc][Ah]
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    pard01: shows [Td Kd] (A Straight, Ace high)
    Hero: shows [Ts 9s] (A Pair of Queens, Ace high)
    pard01 collected $2172 from Main pot


    Hand 3
    -blah

    Game #6082763613: Hold'em NL ($2/$5) - 2008/07/10 - 04:38:19 (UK)
    Table "Larghetto" Seat 6 is the button.
    Seat 1: Zamster ($215.93 in chips)
    Seat 2: Hero ($861.57 in chips)
    Seat 3: Murferize ($225.90 in chips)
    Seat 4: RedMundir ($1116.50 in chips)
    Seat 5: loibedo ($874.18 in chips)
    Seat 6: mymaximus ($506.90 in chips)
    Zamster: posts small blind $2
    Hero: posts big blind $5
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [Ad Jh]
    Murferize: folds
    RedMundir: folds
    loibedo: raises to $20
    mymaximus: calls $20
    Zamster: calls $18
    Hero: calls $15
    ----- FLOP ----- [Qs Tc Ks]
    Zamster: checks
    Hero: checks
    loibedo: checks
    mymaximus: bets $60
    Zamster: folds
    Hero: raises to $170
    loibedo: folds
    mymaximus: raises to $486.90 and is all-in
    Hero: calls $316.90
    ----- TURN ----- [Qs Tc Ks][Jd]
    ----- RIVER ----- [Qs Tc Ks Jd][7s]
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    mymaximus: shows [8s Js] (A Flush, King high)
    Hero: shows [Ad Jh] (A Straight, Ace high)
    mymaximus collected $1050.80 from Main pot


    Hand 4
    -meh stupid shorty

    Game #6082727223: Hold'em NL ($2/$5) - 2008/07/10 - 03:29:38 (UK)
    Table "UticUtic" Seat 3 is the button.
    Seat 1: mymaximus ($517 in chips)
    Seat 2: potter ($683.90 in chips)
    Seat 3: Hero ($769.10 in chips)
    Seat 4: WestPark ($509 in chips)
    Seat 5: Daidai001 ($215.85 in chips)
    Seat 6: Spirillen ($816.15 in chips)
    WestPark: posts small blind $2
    Daidai001: posts big blind $5
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [Ad Js]
    Spirillen: raises to $15
    mymaximus: folds
    potter: folds
    Hero: calls $15
    WestPark: folds
    Daidai001: calls $10
    ----- FLOP ----- [Jc 7h 8d]
    Daidai001: checks
    Spirillen: checks
    Hero: bets $33
    Daidai001: raises to $66
    Spirillen: folds
    Hero: raises to $754.10 and is all-in
    Daidai001: is all-in $134.85
    Returned uncalled bets $553.25 to Hero
    ----- TURN ----- [Jc 7h 8d][Ah]
    ----- RIVER ----- [Jc 7h 8d Ah][Th]
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    Hero: shows [Ad Js] (Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks, Ten high)
    Daidai001: shows [Kh Jh] (A Flush, Ace high)
    Daidai001 collected $445.70 from Main pot


    Hand 5
    -this hand sucks, but I think I played it alright.

    Game #6082606493: Hold'em NL (£2/£5) - 2008/07/10 - 02:39:23 (UK)
    Table "ElPotosi" Seat 6 is the button.
    Seat 3: mymaximus sits out
    Seat 5: Hero (£635 in chips)
    Seat 6: upquark (£435.70 in chips)
    upquark: posts small blind £2
    Hero: posts big blind £5
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [8c 7c]
    upquark: raises to £17
    Hero: calls £12
    ----- FLOP ----- [8d 5c 2s]
    Hero: checks
    upquark: bets £23
    Hero: calls £23
    ----- TURN ----- [8d 5c 2s][Ac]
    Hero: checks
    upquark: bets £52
    Hero: calls £52
    ----- RIVER ----- [8d 5c 2s Ac][3c]
    Hero: bets £170
    upquark: raises to £343.70 and is all-in
    Hero: calls £173.70
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    upquark: shows [Kc Qc] (A Flush, Ace high)
    Hero: shows [8c 7c] (A Flush, Ace high)
    upquark collected £870.40 from Main pot


    Hand 6
    -turn call is questionable here

    Game #6074184573: Hold'em NL ($5/$10) - 2008/07/09 - 15:18:15 (UK)
    Table "Wadsworth" Seat 4 is the button.
    Seat 1: Hero ($1309 in chips)
    Seat 2: pard01 ($1374 in chips)
    Seat 3: NESSBRASS ($170 in chips)
    Seat 4: pallefinn ($2083 in chips)
    Seat 6: SoIidStat sits out
    Hero: posts small blind $5
    pard01: posts big blind $10
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [Ks Kd]
    NESSBRASS: folds
    pallefinn: raises to $30
    Hero: raises to $100
    pard01: folds
    pallefinn: calls $70
    ----- FLOP ----- [8s Ts Jc]
    Hero: bets $140
    pallefinn: calls $140
    ----- TURN ----- [8s Ts Jc][9c]
    Hero: checks
    pallefinn: bets $311
    Hero: calls $311
    ----- RIVER ----- [8s Ts Jc 9c][6s]
    Hero: checks
    pallefinn: bets $800
    Hero: folds


    Hand 7
    -flop check was a mistake, but kinda worked out nice.. since he put me on air... worked out nice till river

    Game #6074583383: Hold'em NL (£2/£5) - 2008/07/09 - 15:53:58 (UK)
    Table "Bushido" Seat 5 is the button.
    Seat 1: loibedo (£505 in chips)
    Seat 2: SoIidStat (£535 in chips)
    Seat 3: Hero (£484 in chips)
    Seat 4: Forrest1 (£1488.60 in chips)
    Seat 5: yekking (£926.80 in chips)
    Seat 6: pard01 (£2510.65 in chips)
    pard01: posts small blind £2
    loibedo: posts big blind £5
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [Kc Kh]
    SoIidStat: folds
    Hero: raises to £15
    Forrest1: folds
    yekking: folds
    pard01: folds
    loibedo: calls £10
    ----- FLOP ----- [Tc 7s 9d]
    loibedo: checks
    Hero: checks
    ----- TURN ----- [Tc 7s 9d][3c]
    loibedo: bets £30
    Hero: raises to £108
    loibedo: raises to £490 and is all-in
    Hero: is all-in £361
    Returned uncalled bets £21 to loibedo
    ----- RIVER ----- [Tc 7s 9d 3c][Ah]
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    loibedo: shows [Ac Td] (Two Pairs, Aces and Tens, Nine high)
    Hero: shows [Kc Kh] (A Pair of Kings, Ace high)
    loibedo collected £967 from Main pot


    Hand 8
    -river is debateable.. I just wanted to block bet, but c/f is possible against passive villain I suppose

    Game #6078943643: Hold'em NL ($2/$5) - 2008/07/09 - 21:29:48 (UK)
    Table "Drunken" Seat 3 is the button.
    Seat 1: Hero ($477.25 in chips)
    Seat 2: *wildking sits out
    Seat 3: Shau09103 ($408.46 in chips)
    Seat 4: missdixie ($488 in chips)
    Seat 5: Cute_fish ($556.05 in chips)
    Seat 6: WestPark ($1186.15 in chips)
    missdixie: posts small blind $2
    Cute_fish: posts big blind $5
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [Ks Kh]
    WestPark: folds
    Hero: raises to $15
    Shau09103: calls $15
    missdixie: folds
    Cute_fish: folds
    ----- FLOP ----- [5s 9d 6s]
    Hero: bets $23
    Shau09103: calls $23
    ----- TURN ----- [5s 9d 6s][Tc]
    Hero: bets $60
    Shau09103: calls $60
    ----- RIVER ----- [5s 9d 6s Tc][7d]
    Hero: bets $95
    Shau09103: calls $95
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    Hero: shows [Ks Kh] (A Pair of Kings, Ten high)
    Shau09103: shows [3d 4d] (A Straight, Seven high)
    Shau09103 collected $390 from Main pot

    Hand 9
    -read on this villain was that he raises flop wtih wide range of hands, and marginal one pair hands. With that read I probably shoulda just stuck it in but wanted to pot control in case I was behind

    Game #6082487273: Hold'em NL ($2/$5) - 2008/07/10 - 02:38:19 (UK)
    Table "Larghetto" Seat 2 is the button.
    Seat 1: Spirillen ($652.60 in chips)
    Seat 2: Hero ($722.81 in chips)
    Seat 4: Loser18 ($508 in chips)
    Seat 5: HAPPY-DAD ($580 in chips)
    Seat 6: mymaximus sits out
    Loser18: posts small blind $2
    HAPPY-DAD: posts big blind $5
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [Ac Ts]
    Spirillen: folds
    Hero: raises to $15
    Loser18: folds
    HAPPY-DAD: calls $10
    ----- FLOP ----- [4h Td 2s]
    HAPPY-DAD: checks
    Hero: bets $23
    HAPPY-DAD: raises to $65
    Hero: calls $42
    ----- TURN ----- [4h Td 2s][8d]
    HAPPY-DAD: bets $125
    Hero: calls $125
    ----- RIVER ----- [4h Td 2s 8d][3c]
    HAPPY-DAD: checks
    Hero: checks
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    HAPPY-DAD: shows [Th 8c] (Two Pairs, Tens and Eights, Four high)
    Hero: mucks hand [Ac Ts]
    HAPPY-DAD collected $410 from Main pot


    Hand 10
    -standard flipping I guess

    Game #6075174373: Hold'em NL ($2/$5) - 2008/07/09 - 17:02:06 (UK)
    Table "Claire" Seat 5 is the button.
    Seat 1: MrFistaDD ($500 in chips)
    Seat 2: Abigail ($1080.15 in chips)
    Seat 3: Hero ($622.60 in chips)
    Seat 4: jonlundy ($714.40 in chips)
    Seat 6: mip5058 ($163.55 in chips)
    mip5058: posts small blind $2
    MrFistaDD: posts big blind $5
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [Ad Qh]
    Abigail: folds
    Hero: raises to $15
    jonlundy: calls $15
    mip5058: folds
    MrFistaDD: folds
    ----- FLOP ----- [4s Qs 9d]
    Hero: checks
    jonlundy: bets $25
    Hero: raises to $115
    jonlundy: raises to $400
    Hero: raises to $607.60 and is all-in
    jonlundy: calls $207.60
    ----- TURN ----- [4s Qs 9d][5s]
    ----- RIVER ----- [4s Qs 9d 5s][2h]
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    Hero: shows [Ad Qh] (A Pair of Queens, Ace high)
    jonlundy: shows [Ts Ks] (A Flush, King high)
    jonlundy collected $1249.20 from Main pot


    Hand 11
    -felt like a raise on this board would look super drawy by me, and he might even shove AK etc over top

    Game #6074912913: Hold'em NL (£2/£5) - 2008/07/09 - 16:15:43 (UK)
    Table "Tresero" Seat 6 is the button.
    Seat 1: Pstfrous (£475 in chips)
    Seat 2: gubbe004 (£500 in chips)
    Seat 3: SoIidStat (£526 in chips)
    Seat 4: pard01 (£1118.60 in chips)
    Seat 5: mymaximus (£571.70 in chips)
    Seat 6: Hero (£500 in chips)
    Pstfrous: posts small blind £2
    gubbe004: posts big blind £5
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [Kh Qd]
    SoIidStat: folds
    pard01: folds
    mymaximus: raises to £17
    Hero: calls £17
    Pstfrous: folds
    gubbe004: folds
    ----- FLOP ----- [Qc 6s Tc]
    mymaximus: bets £31
    Hero: raises to £115
    mymaximus: raises to £554.70 and is all-in
    Hero: is all-in £368
    Returned uncalled bets £71.70 to mymaximus
    ----- TURN ----- [Qc 6s Tc][4c]
    ----- RIVER ----- [Qc 6s Tc 4c][Ad]
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    mymaximus: shows [Ks Kd] (A Pair of Kings, Ace high)
    Hero: shows [Kh Qd] (A Pair of Queens, Ace high)
    mymaximus collected £1004 from Main pot


    Hand 12
    -yay slowplaying... slowplaying sucks

    Game #6082488873: Hold'em NL ($2/$5) - 2008/07/10 - 03:11:19 (UK)
    Table "Larghetto" Seat 3 is the button.
    Seat 1: Spirillen ($1169.15 in chips)
    Seat 2: Hero ($1067.81 in chips)
    Seat 3: potter ($900 in chips)
    Seat 4: And050978 ($532 in chips)
    Seat 5: HAPPY-DAD ($493 in chips)
    Seat 6: mymaximus ($612.50 in chips)
    And050978: posts small blind $2
    HAPPY-DAD: posts big blind $5
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [Ac Ah]
    mymaximus: folds
    Spirillen: folds
    Hero: raises to $15
    potter: folds
    And050978: raises to $55
    HAPPY-DAD: folds
    Hero: calls $40
    ----- FLOP ----- [4c 4s 8c]
    And050978: bets $61
    Hero: calls $61
    ----- TURN ----- [4c 4s 8c][6c]
    And050978: bets $144
    Hero: calls $144
    ----- RIVER ----- [4c 4s 8c 6c][3d]
    And050978: bets $272 and is all-in
    Hero: calls $272
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    And050978: shows [5d 7d] (A Straight, Eight high)
    Hero: shows [Ac Ah] (Two Pairs, Aces and Fours, Eight high)
    And050978 collected $1066 from Main pot


    Hand 13
    -villain is pretty nitty hence the flat pre, though I guess if that was my read then my turn raise is prob bad anyhow. Should just call down against such a nit probably

    Game #6078093883: Hold'em NL (£2/£5) - 2008/07/09 - 20:52:46 (UK)
    Table "Tresero" Seat 5 is the button.
    Seat 1: TurboTT1 (£283.95 in chips)
    Seat 2: hunter47 (£500 in chips)
    Seat 3: missdixie (£578.90 in chips)
    Seat 4: Hero (£536 in chips)
    Seat 5: bluecheek (£486 in chips)
    TurboTT1: posts small blind £2
    hunter47: posts big blind £5
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Hero [Ah Kd]
    missdixie: raises to £20
    Hero: calls £20
    bluecheek: folds
    TurboTT1: folds
    hunter47: folds
    ----- FLOP ----- [Ts Kc 5d]
    rembo joins the table at seat #6
    missdixie: bets £30
    Hero: calls £30
    ----- TURN ----- [Ts Kc 5d][3s]
    missdixie: bets £80
    Hero: raises to £210
    missdixie: raises to £528.90 and is all-in
    Hero: is all-in £276
    Returned uncalled bets £42.90 to missdixie
    ----- RIVER ----- [Ts Kc 5d 3s][9d]
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    missdixie: shows [Ks Kh] (Three of a kind, Kings, Ten high)
    Hero: shows [Ah Kd] (A Pair of Kings, Ace high)
    missdixie collected £1076 from Main pot
  27. #102
    Finally had a winning session! My friend downloaded interpoker and was watching me play and I think that kinda forced me to play pretty nitty/tighter than usual. Ran like 19/15 which is a bit tighter than my usual 21/17ish. Up around 4.3kish today... let's keep it up!


    A few hands from the sesh:

    Hand 1
    -this hand super sucked, I don't like my turn raise size, should raise it to at least like 450ish if not more

    $5/$10 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG kidkarate ($543.00)
    UTG+1 ryss ($2041.00)
    CO crazyfool ($1050.85)
    BTN Billy555 ($1293.00)
    SB Drexlspiv ($1139.00)
    BB Hero ($2351.51)

    Pre-flop: ($15, 6 players) Hero is BB
    1 fold, ryss raises to $40, 2 folds, Drexlspiv calls $35, Hero calls $30

    Flop: ($120, 3 players)
    Drexlspiv checks, Hero checks, ryss checks

    Turn: ($120, 3 players)
    Drexlspiv checks, Hero bets $80, 1 fold, Drexlspiv raises to $160, Hero raises to $390, Drexlspiv calls $230

    River: ($900, 2 players)
    Drexlspiv goes all-in $709, Hero calls $709

    Final Pot: $2318
    Drexlspiv shows:
    Hero shows:

    Drexlspiv wins $2315 ( won +$1176 )
    ryss lost -$40.00
    Hero lost -$1139.00


    Hand 2
    -I don't mind this hand, he called a pretty big bet to what he's hoping is at best a split

    $5/$10 No Limit Holdem
    4 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    CO Hero ($2070.36)
    BTN ryss ($2121.00)
    SB Billy555 ($1321.00)
    BB Drexlspiv ($2345.00)

    Pre-flop: ($15, 4 players) Hero is CO
    Hero raises to $30, 2 folds, Drexlspiv calls $20

    Flop: ($65, 2 players)
    Drexlspiv checks, Hero bets $40, Drexlspiv calls $40

    Turn: ($145, 2 players)
    Drexlspiv checks, Hero bets $120, Drexlspiv calls $120

    River: ($385, 2 players)
    Drexlspiv checks, Hero bets $588, Drexlspiv calls $588

    Final Pot: $1561
    Drexlspiv shows:
    Hero shows:

    Drexlspiv wins $1559 ( won +$781 )
    Hero lost -$778.00
  28. #103
    Hand 1 - Could 3 bet AQ pre. Maybe you didnt bcoz calling was just better based on info/reads.

    On turn, since we have position we could opt to just call his raise. What type of hands would you put him on there.

    Hand 2 - Why not just check back turn since we have picked up a draw? can be tough to make ppl fold this turn given flop texture. plus when yuo do barrel can probably will need to barrel river again to give yourself just a chance to win the pot.
    Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
  29. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Da GOAT
    Hand 1 - Could 3 bet AQ pre. Maybe you didnt bcoz calling was just better based on info/reads.

    On turn, since we have position we could opt to just call his raise. What type of hands would you put him on there.

    Hand 2 - Why not just check back turn since we have picked up a draw? can be tough to make ppl fold this turn given flop texture. plus when yuo do barrel can probably will need to barrel river again to give yourself just a chance to win the pot.

    Hand 1 - I really don't like squeezing AQ, because squeezes get played back at so often and its not the type of hand I wanna felt PF. Also initial PFR owns my ass, so wanted to keep the pot small OOP.

    As played, villain is kinda donkish so I didn't put it passed him to have A7 or A6, and also possibly 66/77 but less likely. Figured I was ahead most often and whatever he was c/r he'd probably go with.


    Hand 2 - If i was on the CO or button, I'd for sure check back my OESD on turn because I got more outs and my barrel would probably get less respect. In this spot I'm raising UTG, and my range is much stronger on this board, so if he wants to play his crappy aces to my UTG open then he'll have to face 3-barrels on an A high board... always Checking turn is ofcourse fine, but I'd rather put the heat on while my range is the strongest.
  30. #105
    thx man good points.
    Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
  31. #106
    Sooo I'm running like mega-death the last couple days. Just getting into dumb cooler spots where people keep showing up with hands in squeezed pots, or QQ vs KK 3 times, KK vs AA, AK vs KK etc etc. Also I keep getting sucked out in these pots where I lose like 40-50bb's, but those seem to be adding up.

    Overall I'm playing pretty well, so can't be too unhappy, but would be nice to run a little better! one time dealer.. one time!


    Hand 1
    -yessss shipping 33 PF

    £2/£5 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG gubbe004 (£500.00)
    UTG+1 JensLE (£500.00)
    CO Teegaa1 (£300.00)
    BTN Hero (£578.50)
    SB matdamon (£439.00)
    BB Cmonaces (£1872.35)

    Pre-flop: (£7, 6 players) Hero is BTN
    3 folds, Hero raises to £10, matdamon raises to £35, 1 fold, Hero raises to £118, matdamon goes all-in £439, Hero calls £321

    Flop: (£883, 2 players)

    Turn: (£883, 2 players)

    River: (£883, 2 players)

    Final Pot: £883
    Hero shows:
    matdamon shows:

    matdamon wins £880 ( won +£441 )
    Hero lost -£439.00


    Hand 2
    -this river raise is debateable, I just felt like i could prob get some value from two pair etc. Flatting might be a lot better

    $2/$5 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG NPND ($682.85)
    UTG+1 Bungler01 ($550.31)
    CO MrFistaDD ($466.00)
    BTN Hero ($504.40)
    SB daneil86 ($495.00)
    BB HoffBjar ($500.00)

    Pre-flop: ($7, 6 players) Hero is BTN
    1 fold, Bungler01 calls $5, 1 fold, Hero raises to $30, 2 folds, Bungler01 calls $25

    Flop: ($67, 2 players)
    Bungler01 bets $20, Hero calls $20

    Turn: ($107, 2 players)
    Bungler01 bets $50, Hero calls $50

    River: ($207, 2 players)
    Bungler01 bets $150, Hero raises to $370, Bungler01 goes all-in $450.31, Hero goes all-in $34.40

    Final Pot: $1015.80
    Hero shows:
    Bungler01 shows:

    Bungler01 wins $1428.71 ( won +$878.40 )
    Hero lost -$134.40


    Hand 3
    -had just 3-bet this guy the previous hand, figured he prob thought I was full of it and his flop lead/call just reaked of Ax type hand

    £2/£5 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG curlyone (£485.15)
    CO Hero (£781.25)
    BTN JensLE (£1435.02)
    SB gubbe004 (£493.00)
    BB matdamon (£424.15)

    Pre-flop: (£7, 5 players) Hero is CO
    curlyone raises to £10, Hero raises to £30, 3 folds, curlyone calls £20

    Flop: (£67, 2 players)
    curlyone bets £50, Hero raises to £190, curlyone calls £140

    Turn: (£447, 2 players)
    curlyone goes all-in £265.15, Hero calls £265.15

    River: (£977.30, 2 players)

    Final Pot: £977.30
    curlyone shows:
    Hero shows:

    curlyone wins £974.30 ( won +£489.15 )
    Hero lost -£485.15


    Hand 4
    -meh.. should probably fold flop but my equity vs his entire range is prob around 40ish% and I figure I have some fold equity since he only minraised

    £2/£5 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Hero (£506.15)
    UTG+1 JensLE (£1429.17)
    CO gubbe004 (£500.00)
    BTN Bigbluffa (£305.79)
    SB curlyone (£663.50)
    BB Jibby147 (£761.90)

    Pre-flop: (£7, 6 players) Hero is UTG
    Hero raises to £15, 2 folds, Bigbluffa calls £15, 2 folds

    Flop: (£37, 2 players)
    Hero bets £22, Bigbluffa raises to £44, Hero goes all-in £491.15, Bigbluffa goes all-in £246.79

    Turn: (£530.58, 2 players)

    River: (£530.58, 2 players)

    Final Pot: £618.58
    Hero shows:
    Bigbluffa shows:

    Hero wins £244.36 ( lost -£261.79 )
    Bigbluffa wins £615.58 ( won +£353.79 )


    Hand 5
    -river call is.. meh.. just wanted to see how he was peeling flops

    $5/$10 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG TRIPLEV ($1029.00)
    CO gubbe004 ($1433.13)
    BTN Garr21123 ($715.25)
    SB Hero ($2509.00)
    BB Morgil ($995.00)

    Pre-flop: ($15, 5 players) Hero is SB
    2 folds, Garr21123 calls $10, Hero calls $5, Morgil checks

    Flop: ($30, 3 players)
    Hero bets $20, 1 fold, Garr21123 calls $20

    Turn: ($70, 2 players)
    Hero bets $40, Garr21123 calls $40

    River: ($150, 2 players)
    Hero bets $90, Garr21123 raises to $180, Hero calls $90

    Final Pot: $510
    Garr21123 shows:

    Garr21123 wins $507 ( won +$257 )
    Hero lost -$250.00
    Morgil lost -$10.00


    Hand 5
    -can't fold really... just gotta prey its QQ and not AA

    $5/$10 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Morgil ($1015.00)
    UTG+1 pallefinn ($985.00)
    CO gubbe004 ($1442.13)
    BTN JensLE ($1569.00)
    SB Hero ($2726.00)
    BB crazyfool ($1012.00)

    Pre-flop: ($15, 6 players) Hero is SB
    3 folds, JensLE raises to $30, Hero raises to $120, crazyfool calls $110, JensLE calls $90

    Flop: ($360, 3 players)
    Hero checks, crazyfool checks, JensLE bets $220, Hero raises to $544, crazyfool goes all-in $892, JensLE folds, Hero calls $348

    Turn: ($2364, 2 players)

    River: ($2364, 2 players)

    Final Pot: $2364
    Hero shows:
    crazyfool shows:

    crazyfool wins $2361 ( won +$1349 )
    JensLE lost -$340.00
    Hero lost -$1012.00

    Hand 6
    -weird how these donk fish put 3/4 of their stacks in the middle with these hands and not just pushing

    £2/£5 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG skanz (£262.05)
    UTG+1 curlyone (£681.62)
    CO gubbe004 (£914.80)
    BTN lzy247 (£152.82)
    SB Hero (£495.00)
    BB Mic061283 (£138.36)

    Pre-flop: (£7, 6 players) Hero is SB
    skanz calls £5, 1 fold, gubbe004 raises to £20, lzy247 calls £20, Hero raises to £90, 1 fold, skanz folds, gubbe004 folds, lzy247 calls £70

    Flop: (£210, 2 players)
    Hero bets £64, lzy247 goes all-in £62.82

    Turn: (£335.64, 2 players)

    River: (£335.64, 2 players)

    Final Pot: £335.64
    Hero shows:
    lzy247 shows:

    Hero wins £1.18 ( lost -£152.82 )
    lzy247 wins £332.64 ( won +£179.82 )
    skanz lost -£5.00
    gubbe004 lost -£20.00

    Hand 7
    -yah can't blame him postflop, pre is pretty solid... but its sooooted

    £2/£5 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Mi2008 (£195.00)
    UTG+1 jageflode (£640.00)
    CO gubbe004 (£755.20)
    BTN Hero (£1201.55)
    SB Morgil (£502.00)
    BB JensLE (£983.95)

    Pre-flop: (£7, 6 players) Hero is BTN
    Mi2008 calls £5, 1 fold, gubbe004 calls £5, Hero raises to £25, 2 folds, Mi2008 calls £20, gubbe004 calls £20

    Flop: (£82, 3 players)
    Mi2008 bets £70, 1 fold, Hero goes all-in £1176.55, Mi2008 goes all-in £100

    Turn: (£282, 2 players)

    River: (£282, 2 players)

    Final Pot: £422
    Mi2008 shows:
    Hero shows:

    Mi2008 wins £419 ( won +£294 )
    Hero wins £1076.55 ( lost -£125 )
    gubbe004 lost -£25.00


    Hand 8
    -maybe river value bet is somewhat thin, though really didn't put him on an ace


    $5/$10 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Bigmamba ($990.00)
    UTG+1 luisfigo ($209.50)
    CO Edoua0512 ($306.00)
    BTN Steve95 ($1146.75)
    SB JMan ($1822.00)
    BB Hero ($1615.00)

    Pre-flop: ($15, 6 players) Hero is BB
    4 folds, JMan raises to $40, Hero calls $30

    Flop: ($80, 2 players)
    JMan bets $60, Hero calls $60

    Turn: ($200, 2 players)
    JMan checks, Hero bets $110, JMan calls $110

    River: ($420, 2 players)
    JMan checks, Hero bets $287, JMan calls $287

    Final Pot: $994
    JMan shows:
    Hero shows:

    JMan wins $991 ( won +$494 )
    Hero lost -$497.00


    Hand 9
    -last but not least.. this is my favourite of them all!

    £2/£5 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ilDuce_ (£878.00)
    CO Hero (£693.50)
    BTN Rob150636 (£179.25)
    SB MACHone (£598.00)
    BB Billy555 (£493.00)

    Pre-flop: (£7, 5 players) Hero is CO
    1 fold, Hero raises to £15, Rob150636 calls £15, 1 fold, Billy555 calls £10

    Flop: (£47, 3 players)
    Billy555 checks, Hero bets £34, Rob150636 goes all-in £164.25, Billy555 folds, Hero calls £130.25

    Turn: (£375.50, 2 players)

    River: (£375.50, 2 players)

    Final Pot: £375.50
    Hero shows:
    Rob150636 shows:

    Rob150636 wins £372.50 ( won +£193.25 )
    Billy555 lost -£15.00
    Hero lost -£179.25
  32. #107
    So I decided some things needed to change to get me back on track. At the advice of kmind and alexos and some others I decided to get HEM a couple days ago. Figure it couldn't hurt.

    Word of advice: do NOT use a NEW HUD at the stakes you're rolled at, drop down for a bit!

    I started using it at 1knl, 4-tabling and went on solid "new HUD" tilt cause I couldn't move the stats, and it was covering up stack sizes and I was just like "holy whats going on".. $4k later I shut it down and dropped down to 25nl for a few hands to fix the settings. Bad scene!

    But upon getting used to it, it seems pretty cool. It shows the image of the mucked hands (which PT can't do on crypto) which is a time saver not having to check HH's after every interesting hand. I haven't really taken full advantage of all the stats and hands available etc (esp stats like 3bet/4bet) cause my samples are big enough, but I'll try that soon.

    On a side note: After that HUD tilt day I was down 16k for the month.... sigh.. but running very bad which I'm aware of (far far far too many QQ vs KK's, KK vs AA's and really big suckouts when I'm way ahead). Yesterday I decided to get my act together solidly and really start making folds. Figures the day I start doing that, people start SHOWING me big bluffs on the river.. but whatever, as long as it was the correct decision against their ranges it's fine.

    I've decided that my main leak is making mistakes in 10-20bb pots, and making bad 10-20bb late street calls. This kind of thing often goes unnoticed (cause we mostly on remember these hands we got stacked and look at those), so I gotta fix that somehow.

    Won back $4k yesterday.

    Down $12k for the month (compared to Alexos' down $6k.. ship the awesome quality results for this bet)

    BR: $73k

    Time to start folding!
  33. #108
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    You guys are nits. Stop folding and lose more monies. It's fun.
  34. #109
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    Yeah, HM really messed me up, took way too long to figure out how to set it up .

    Dont fold too much, just when you're beat .
    Just dipping my toes back in.
  35. #110
    Soooo... this month is kinda going blah so far. I've been getting owned by losing 90/10's the last few days, but have managed to stay somewhat afloat.

    Yesterday I decided to get back to my old style of play. Somewhere along the line I got into this whole mentality of flatting hands like AJ/AQ instead of re-popping to keep worse aces in etc etc. The end result was me flatting a whole ton of hands from the blinds and such. Well that's over, I'm back to my 3-betting madness ways, and it felt kinda nice!

    In other news, Alexos is owning me in our bet (what's new? :P) But there's still a week left, and I'm prob down by like 20k at the moment. Poker gods, give me a nice swing!

    Oh and we're discussing a bet for next month (yah I know.. I keep losing and i keep making bets... I'm like a prop betting fish).. we'll discuss the terms of this bet soon. It sounds interesting though!
  36. #111
    #1 why not just call preflop for another £35 (btw im not a big set miner), we can also fold if you dont wanna get tricky on flops)? i prob wudnt 4bet here. any reads.

    #2meh its not so bad but i agree calling is best. he aint gonna call off with 2 pairs here.

    #3 v nh wp

    #4 hmm interesting, i guess we are shoving bcoz 1) we are oop for the whole hand thus floating his raise wont work 2) we have some equity vs his stacking range. if we were IP would you play any different like calling flop as a float?? wud you ever do this on this board when your likely playing your good hands fast?

    #5 insta raise preflop, no? i prob just get 2 streets of value from this. i may just c/c river but thats prob results oriented. i always find donks have us crushed when they make a minraise on rivers. imo it is a fold.

    # 5 (b) unlucky

    #6 unlucky again totally std

    #7 damn shorties

    #8 i rather 3bet KQs here more than calling, i can live with a ''bit of both arguement '' id try raise it up and get it in on flop unless opp was a very poor player and wud stack off if i just call and hit. turn is cool tho i think we can bet more but i reckon river is too thin and i check back. 88/TT wont call again imo.

    #9 fucking hell
    Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
  37. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Da GOAT
    #1 why not just call preflop for another £35 (btw im not a big set miner), we can also fold if you dont wanna get tricky on flops)? i prob wudnt 4bet here. any reads.

    #2meh its not so bad but i agree calling is best. he aint gonna call off with 2 pairs here.

    #3 v nh wp

    #4 hmm interesting, i guess we are shoving bcoz 1) we are oop for the whole hand thus floating his raise wont work 2) we have some equity vs his stacking range. if we were IP would you play any different like calling flop as a float?? wud you ever do this on this board when your likely playing your good hands fast?

    #5 insta raise preflop, no? i prob just get 2 streets of value from this. i may just c/c river but thats prob results oriented. i always find donks have us crushed when they make a minraise on rivers. imo it is a fold.

    # 5 (b) unlucky

    #6 unlucky again totally std

    #7 damn shorties

    #8 i rather 3bet KQs here more than calling, i can live with a ''bit of both arguement '' id try raise it up and get it in on flop unless opp was a very poor player and wud stack off if i just call and hit. turn is cool tho i think we can bet more but i reckon river is too thin and i check back. 88/TT wont call again imo.

    #9 fucking hell
    Hey man, thanks so much for checking out the hands!

    hand 1 - reads were that he was popping me a ton so I decided to play back with a pair. 33= pairs up to like TT pretty much, against his 5-bet shoving range. I'd rather CALL a hand like TT sometimes, cause it has showdown value on its own and holds up well against his range for 3-betting suited connectors. 33 doesn't have much showdown value on its own, will be behind connectors that hit a piece and I don't think his 3-betting range (light.. hence the 4-bet in the first place) is strong enough to set mine and stack. The last point is up for debate, it really depends on his bluffing frequencies.

    hand 2- yah I tried raising small to get crying calls by two pairs/sets. but that backfired.

    hand 4 - this isn't a standard shove by me, but the shove is cause I figured to have equity and felt like I was ahead of most of his straight draws and some of his FD's. In position I would probably flat his c/r, yah.

    hand 5 - raising AT from blinds? hmmm I probably always raise here vs only SB, but majority flat here given the limper we'll be OOP of PF. Maybe ATo raise is standard though... hmmm...

    hand 8 - yah 3-betting KQs or flatting is often just flow dependent. If I have been 3-betting a lot and he's started calling OOP then I'll for sure 3-bet. If i've been 3-betting a lot and feel like he might 4-bet then I'll prob flat, cause this isn't the type of hand I wanna get it in with PF.

    Oh and I flatted the flop instead of raising because a) I figured I was likely ahead of his SB raising range b) I figured he'd barrel all Q's and K's not expecting me to have one . Raising is ofcourse also standard, but calling isn't bad sometimes.




    Thanks again for the comments, helpful! And helps me think about why I'm doing some of the silly things I do
  38. #113
    no problem man,

    i like raising AT here tho since btn limps incl alot of dominated Tx hands and other crap we crush. i think being oop isnt a major disadvantage here since opp is prob poor.
    Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
  39. #114
    I don't know what's wrong with me. Sometimes I frustrate myself quite a bit.

    Last couple days have been pretty solid. I'd say I played pretty damn well the last few days, and am up 12k over that span.

    I've been playing pretty solid, and playing focused.

    What do I do today? Completely waste all that by playing like a nutjob.. and losing 10k. I started the session suuuuuper bad, losing AA twice and QQ once to start the session down 3k right off the bat.

    I really need to setmyself a 'max limit' for losses, like 4k or something and stop for a while. Even if they were uncontrollable.

    This is becoming a bit habit for me now.. just as things look to be going well... whammooooo.. self destruct... aaaaaaaaah

    some of the hands today:



    Hand 1
    -should have 4-bet bigger pre.. but.. after that is just meh

    ***** Hand History for Game 6245303913 *****
    $1000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 26, 03:58:14 ET 2008
    Table Wadsworth (Real Money)
    Seat 5 is the button
    Seat 1: jobelu ( $1741.92 USD )
    Seat 2: Hero ( $1154.00 USD )
    Seat 3: JanneGul ( $1015.00 USD )
    Seat 4: Ultgamb ( $702.00 USD )
    Seat 5: rollDbone ( $1658.76 USD )
    Seat 6: loibedo ( $932.99 USD )
    loibedo posts small blind [$5.00 USD].
    jobelu posts big blind [$10.00 USD].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Hero [ Ac As ]
    Hero raises [$30.00 USD]
    JanneGul folds
    Ultgamb raises [$90.00 USD]
    rollDbone calls [$90.00 USD]
    loibedo folds
    jobelu folds
    Hero raises [$190.00 USD]
    Ultgamb folds
    rollDbone calls [$130.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 6d, 7s ]
    Hero bets [$290.00 USD]
    rollDbone calls [$290.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
    Hero bets [$644.00 USD]
    rollDbone calls [$644.00 USD]
    ** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]
    Hero shows [Ac, As ]
    rollDbone shows [4h, 5h ]
    rollDbone wins $2410.00 USD from main pot



    Hand 2
    -crappy board.. maybe its a fold, but I just waited for safe turn


    ***** Hand History for Game 6245169503 *****
    $500.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 26, 04:19:52 ET 2008
    Table Lahitkaya (Real Money)
    Seat 6 is the button
    Seat 1: Fra220623 ( $1087.80 USD )
    Seat 2: WestPark ( $507.00 USD )
    Seat 3: loibedo ( $1494.25 USD )
    Seat 4: Hero ( $493.00 USD )
    Seat 5: JensLE ( $706.45 USD )
    Seat 6: JanneGul ( $500.00 USD )
    Fra220623 posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
    WestPark posts big blind [$5.00 USD].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Hero [ Ac Ah ]
    Hero raises [$15.00 USD]
    JensLE folds
    JanneGul folds
    Fra220623 calls [$13.00 USD]
    WestPark folds
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ Td, 6s, 7h ]
    Fra220623 checks
    Hero bets [$23.00 USD]
    Fra220623 raises [$70.00 USD]
    Hero calls [$47.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
    Fra220623 bets [$155.00 USD]
    Hero raises [$408.00 USD]
    Fra220623 calls [$253.00 USD]
    ** Dealing River ** [ Qd ]
    Hero shows [Ac, Ah ]
    Fra220623 shows [Tc, 7c ]
    Fra220623 wins $988.00 USD from main pot



    Hand 3
    -this hand is against a huge 3bet pot floater, so I was gonna c/r turn
    -river is meh gross... maybe its a fold.. but I know he gets to river with so much air

    ***** Hand History for Game 6244690353 *****
    $500.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 26, 03:50:20 ET 2008
    Table Lahitkaya (Real Money)
    Seat 3 is the button
    Seat 1: Fra220623 ( $1112.80 USD )
    Seat 2: WestPark ( $546.00 USD )
    Seat 3: loibedo ( $887.25 USD )
    Seat 4: Hero ( $495.00 USD )
    Seat 5: j_born ( $188.37 USD )
    Seat 6: JanneGul ( $520.15 USD )
    Hero posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
    j_born posts big blind [$5.00 USD].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Hero [ Qs Qh ]
    JanneGul folds
    Fra220623 folds
    WestPark folds
    loibedo raises [$15.00 USD]
    Hero raises [$53.00 USD]
    j_born folds
    loibedo calls [$40.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, 6d, 8c ]
    Hero bets [$70.00 USD]
    loibedo calls [$70.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
    Hero checks
    loibedo checks
    ** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
    Hero checks
    loibedo bets [$762.25 USD]
    Hero calls [$370.00 USD]
    loibedo wins $392.25 USD from main pot
    loibedo shows [Ac, 3c ]
    Hero shows [Qs, Qh ]
    loibedo wins $992.00 USD from main pot


    Hand 4
    -meh.. not sure I can play this too much differently, after 4bombing pre
    -could c/c or someting I guess


    ***** Hand History for Game 6246158803 *****
    $1000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 26, 05:52:01 ET 2008
    Table Wadsworth (Real Money)
    Seat 5 is the button
    Seat 1: Isomerkii ( $1000.00 USD )
    Seat 2: Hero ( $1375.00 USD )
    Seat 3: ibadbeatu ( $886.00 USD )
    Seat 4: Ultgamb ( $2239.00 USD )
    Seat 5: pard01 ( $995.00 USD )
    Hero posts small blind [$5.00 USD].
    ibadbeatu posts big blind [$10.00 USD].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Hero [ 9h 9d ]
    Ultgamb folds
    pard01 folds
    Hero raises [$25.00 USD]
    ibadbeatu raises [$89.00 USD]
    Hero raises [$204.00 USD]
    ibadbeatu calls [$135.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, 6h, 2s ]
    Hero bets [$1141.00 USD]
    ibadbeatu calls [$652.00 USD]
    Hero wins $489.00 USD from main pot
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
    ** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
    Hero shows [9h, 9d ]
    ibadbeatu shows [Qs, Ad ]
    ibadbeatu wins $1770.00 USD from main pot


    hold on to your seats.. this is where things get absolutely dumbass ridiculous

    Hand 5
    -this hand was against a suuuuuuper aggro lagg running 33/29 and folding to NO 3-bets at all
    -thought his range had a low of low pairs and draws in it


    ***** Hand History for Game 6245531733 *****
    $1000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 26, 04:47:57 ET 2008
    Table Wailuku (Real Money)
    Seat 6 is the button
    Seat 1: Hero ( $2038.00 USD )
    Seat 2: RoccoEast ( $955.00 USD )
    Seat 3: yekking ( $1013.50 USD )
    Seat 4: JanneGul ( $2020.50 USD )
    Seat 5: pard01 ( $1167.00 USD )
    Seat 6: Edoua0512 ( $1845.75 USD )
    Hero posts small blind [$5.00 USD].
    RoccoEast posts big blind [$10.00 USD].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Hero [ Ah Kh ]
    yekking calls [$10.00 USD]
    JanneGul folds
    pard01 raises [$45.00 USD]
    Edoua0512 folds
    Hero raises [$155.00 USD]
    RoccoEast folds
    yekking folds
    pard01 calls [$115.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 7s, 3h, Ts ]
    Hero bets [$230.00 USD]
    pard01 raises [$1007.00 USD]
    Hero calls [$777.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ]
    ** Dealing River ** [ Th ]
    pard01 shows [Tc, Kc ]
    Hero shows [Ah, Kh ]
    pard01 wins $2351.00 USD from main pot


    Hand 6
    -could have 3-bet pre, but it was quasi deep so decided to just flat it
    -on flop based on timing of this 3-bet I really felt like this was a draw... common trend here I keep putting ppl on draws. THis is so stupid.. even IF he has a draw, my equity sucks ass
    -FOLDDDDDD
    -I have this problem of shipping it when hands are deep, with false sense of fold equity

    ***** Hand History for Game 6246525783 *****
    $500.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 26, 06:38:02 ET 2008
    Table Bushido (Real Money)
    Seat 5 is the button
    Seat 2: Hero ( $838.30 USD )
    Seat 3: loibedo ( $574.80 USD )
    Seat 4: Lang_56 ( $973.00 USD )
    Seat 5: ibadbeatu ( $574.00 USD )
    Seat 6: Isomerkii ( $826.00 USD )
    Isomerkii posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
    Hero posts big blind [$5.00 USD].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Hero [ Kh Ah ]
    loibedo folds
    Lang_56 raises [$15.00 USD]
    ibadbeatu folds
    Isomerkii folds
    Hero calls [$10.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, Tc, 5c ]
    Hero checks
    Lang_56 bets [$25.00 USD]
    Hero raises [$78.00 USD]
    Lang_56 raises [$197.00 USD]
    Hero raises [$745.30 USD]
    Lang_56 calls [$601.30 USD]
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
    ** Dealing River ** [ 9h ]
    Hero shows [Kh, Ah ]
    Lang_56 shows [Ts, Td ]
    Lang_56 wins $1675.60 USD from main pot


    Hand 7
    -this one is alright, but i think shipping flop is kinda dumb cause even his draws mostly have
    us beat

    ***** Hand History for Game 6246380733 *****
    $500.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 26, 06:29:34 ET 2008
    Table Columbus (Real Money)
    Seat 5 is the button
    Seat 1: RedMundir ( $500.00 USD )
    Seat 2: AAimallin ( $500.00 USD )
    Seat 3: Hero ( $1362.30 USD )
    Seat 4: Raven ( $587.00 USD )
    Seat 5: smilu ( $486.00 USD )
    Seat 6: wingster ( $631.99 USD )
    wingster posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
    AAimallin posts big blind [$5.00 USD].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Hero [ Js Qh ]
    Hero raises [$15.00 USD]
    Raven calls [$15.00 USD]
    smilu folds
    wingster folds
    AAimallin folds
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 9d, Tc, 2c ]
    Hero bets [$23.00 USD]
    Raven raises [$85.00 USD]
    Hero raises [$1324.30 USD]
    Raven calls [$487.00 USD]
    Hero wins $775.30 USD from main pot
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
    ** Dealing River ** [ Td ]
    Hero shows [Js, Qh ]
    Raven shows [3c, Ac ]
    Raven wins $1178.00 USD from main pot


    Hand 8
    -and the last hand of my session, HU against the same 'compulsive floater' as I stated above
    -once again.. an example of how money behind makes me do dumbass moves
    -once again shipping nonsense... it was so deep too. no reason not to just flat this
    turn minraise and try hitting my insider. Obviously I ship it instead
    -my read was that his turn minraise was a hand with SD value that wanted to check through river
    -bad reads

    ***** Hand History for Game 6246555803 *****
    $1000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 26, 06:54:28 ET 2008
    Table Wailuku (Real Money)
    Seat 1 is the button
    Seat 1: loibedo ( $1870.00 USD )
    Seat 2: Hero ( $1875.00 USD )
    loibedo posts small blind [$5.00 USD].
    Hero posts big blind [$10.00 USD].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Hero [ Qh Jc ]
    loibedo raises [$25.00 USD]
    Hero raises [$100.00 USD]
    loibedo calls [$80.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ Td, Ad, 4s ]
    Hero bets [$140.00 USD]
    loibedo calls [$140.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 7s ]
    Hero bets [$240.00 USD]
    loibedo raises [$480.00 USD]
    Hero raises [$1385.00 USD]
    loibedo calls [$1140.00 USD]
    Hero wins $5.00 USD from main pot
    ** Dealing River ** [ Jh ]
    Hero shows [Qh, Jc ]
    loibedo shows [7c, 7d ]
    loibedo wins $3739.00 USD from main pot
  40. #115
    I'm such a schizo poker player! I'm pretty sure everytime I play I have a completely different style, that ppl must be thinking I have multiple users on the account.

    So what's the best way to remedy a morning of losing 10k? Coming back in the evening and winning 9k back!

    I must admit.. two 10 buyin swings in a day is beyond ridiculous, but I won't complain.

    I played a really really passive style in the evening. I actually tried out c/c a lot instead of continuation betting and stuff. Was pretty interesting.

    Here are some hands:

    hand 1
    -this hand was HU. This player calls all 3-bets in position it seems
    -since I didn't think he had an ace, I figured his most likely hand was either a mid pair
    that prob wouldn't call a second barrel on river, a draw or maybe a straight
    -c/bomb and hope he has something to call



    ***** Hand History for Game 6252228693 *****
    $500.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, July 27, 04:40:58 ET 2008
    Table TheSummit (Real Money)
    Seat 4 is the button
    Seat 3: Hero ( $888.58 USD )
    Seat 4: Lang_56 ( $1091.80 USD )
    Seat 6: guynexdor ( $500.00 USD )
    Lang_56 posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
    Hero posts big blind [$5.00 USD].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Hero [ Ah As ]
    Lang_56 raises [$13.00 USD]
    Hero raises [$50.00 USD]
    Lang_56 calls [$40.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 7s, 6d, Ad ]
    Hero checks
    Lang_56 checks
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
    Hero bets [$70.00 USD]
    Lang_56 calls [$70.00 USD]
    ** Dealing River ** [ 4s ]
    Hero checks
    Lang_56 bets [$188.00 USD]
    Hero raises [$763.58 USD]
    Lang_56 calls [$575.58 USD]
    Hero shows [Ah, As ]
    Lang_56 shows [Qc, Ac ]
    Hero wins $1776.16 USD from main pot



    Hand 2
    -gotta love mega fish

    ***** Hand History for Game 6252421543 *****
    $500.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, July 27, 05:00:03 ET 2008
    Table TheSummit (Real Money)
    Seat 6 is the button
    Seat 1: Ultgamb ( $495.00 USD )
    Seat 2: Venecia ( $597.00 USD )
    Seat 3: Hero ( $1692.66 USD )
    Seat 4: Lang_56 ( $500.00 USD )
    Seat 5: MACHone ( $480.00 USD )
    Seat 6: guynexdor ( $687.00 USD )
    Ultgamb posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
    Venecia posts big blind [$5.00 USD].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Hero [ Ac Kh ]
    Hero raises [$15.00 USD]
    Lang_56 folds
    MACHone folds
    guynexdor folds
    Ultgamb calls [$13.00 USD]
    Venecia raises [$45.00 USD]
    Hero raises [$125.00 USD]
    Ultgamb folds
    Venecia calls [$90.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, Ts, Th ]
    Venecia checks
    Hero bets [$222.00 USD]
    Venecia raises [$457.00 USD]
    Hero calls [$235.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]
    ** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
    Venecia shows [4s, Kc ]
    Hero shows [Ac, Kh ]
    Hero wins $1206.00 USD from main pot



    Hand 3
    -this hand was a reg and I think its an interesting and common spot. After checking through the
    flop I am about 90% certain that he'd check through Ace high on the turn again. Given this
    it's more likely that his river bet is a bluff, since he bet the turn as well. Had
    he checked through the turn I'd prob fold to this river bet since A high is in his range a lot


    ***** Hand History for Game 6252003253 *****
    $1000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, July 27, 03:30:35 ET 2008
    Table Wadsworth (Real Money)
    Seat 5 is the button
    Seat 1: loibedo ( $2334.50 USD )
    Seat 2: Cmonaces ( $1055.00 USD )
    Seat 4: Hero ( $1107.00 USD )
    Seat 5: Villain ( $1238.00 USD )
    Seat 6: Lang_56 ( $1063.00 USD )
    Lang_56 posts small blind [$5.00 USD].
    loibedo posts big blind [$10.00 USD].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Hero [ 7h 7s ]
    Cmonaces folds
    Hero raises [$30.00 USD]
    Villain raises [$100.00 USD]
    Lang_56 folds
    loibedo folds
    Hero calls [$70.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 9c, 2d ]
    Hero checks
    Villain checks
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
    Hero checks
    Villain bets [$156.00 USD]
    Hero calls [$156.00 USD]
    ** Dealing River ** [ Ah ]
    Hero checks
    Villain bets [$388.00 USD]
    Hero calls [$388.00 USD]
    Villain shows [6c, 8c ]
    Hero shows [7h, 7s ]
    Hero wins $1300.00 USD from main pot
  41. #116
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    Crazy hands (last 2). I think I can see why you run so swingy. Run hot when you're right and cold when you're not.

    That said, I seem to run much the same swingy way, just smaller swings in buyin terms (prob coz of less tables).

    Have you done much review to work out where you're having problems? I've noticed I tend to slip into bad play without really realizing it, especially if I hit a run of cold decks. Rather than just riding it out and minimizing losses, I try to force things to happen and spew away. For instance when I'm playing well I make good call downs based on reads/plays that dont make sense. When I'm playing bad I call just because they may be bluffing without any reason to back it up.

    Enough about me. Have you looked into that? I mean, if you can minimise your big downswings, then you make much profits from your big upswings!
    Just dipping my toes back in.
  42. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by bjsaust
    Crazy hands (last 2). I think I can see why you run so swingy. Run hot when you're right and cold when you're not.

    That said, I seem to run much the same swingy way, just smaller swings in buyin terms (prob coz of less tables).

    Have you done much review to work out where you're having problems? I've noticed I tend to slip into bad play without really realizing it, especially if I hit a run of cold decks. Rather than just riding it out and minimizing losses, I try to force things to happen and spew away. For instance when I'm playing well I make good call downs based on reads/plays that dont make sense. When I'm playing bad I call just because they may be bluffing without any reason to back it up.

    Enough about me. Have you looked into that? I mean, if you can minimise your big downswings, then you make much profits from your big upswings!
    Thanks for the message bjsaust. I'd say in terms of "problems".. its a lot of just tilt really.. not being focused and not stopping playing when i'm not focused. Really as I stated in a n earlier post, I should just set a stop loss and take a break after I pass my x buyins losses.

    When I get tilty I start shove spewing in places that i have no b usiness shoving or no fold equity or both! Its a bad scene

    what kind of review do you do to find out what "problems' you may have?

    And yah I agree, if you're running on a cold deck you feel as though you gotta bluff more to win a pot. That sucks for sure!
  43. #118
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    I've found something really simple has helped. I grab a pad and a pen, and go through my bad sessions. Every time I think I played a hand badly (not results oriented, in fact some of my big pot wins have earned bad marks and big pot losses I'm fine with), I put it under a heading and add a mark. After a few sessions I review my marks.

    Last time I did this I think I reviewed 3 losing sessions over about 1.2k hands and had:

    Semi-bluff shove- 3 (noone folds in big pots at 50nl so stacking off with 30% equity is spew)
    Slowplay - 8 (didnt think this was too bad until I realised just how often people were improving over my medium hands I checked for 'value').
    Bluff - 13 (again, people just dont fold. If I make my value off people calling with weak hands, why am I bluffing them?).
    bad calls - 11 (I think bluff catching is a fairly decent part of my game, but these were just calls with no reasoning, or bad reasoning, behind them).

    So its nothing fancy. I'm not delving into the depths of HM doing complex filtering, just literally going through my +/-4BB hands looking for ones I think I played wrong.

    A similar review from winning sessions would yield about 1/4 of those marks. The thing is, I dont realise I'm doing it at the time. Before I did that review I just thought I was running bad, and I was, but if I'd cut those mistakes in half or even more, a 7 buyin downswing may have only been a 2-3 buyin downswing.

    Which I think is the point. You're probably not going to come up with any great answers on how to turn a negative 10 buyin session into a winning one, but if you turn it into a negative 5 buyin session, then your 1 buyin loss for the day has turned into a 4 buyin win.
    Just dipping my toes back in.
  44. #119
    ill give my million dollar thoughts on hands if you convert them
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  45. #120
    bjsaust - hey man, really good post. Yah I've never really thought about keeping track of the TYPE of mistake I was making.. over multiple sessions.

    Actually, I have an excel spreadsheet and everyday at the end of the day or end of a session I write down my end bankroll and keep track of my swings for each day. And each day I write a note about what happened, so I guess in a way that's kind of like what you're doing.

    So now I can go back and review the notes for like the last however many days. It doesn't take long to come to a common consensus:

    "OMG stop bluffing!! people don't fold ever, just value bet!"

    I think I have that written in at least 100 sessions. no joke! I'm a slow learner clearly.

    Along the same lines of stop bluffing, I think you should stop slowplaying! People call, and they call too much. So no need to get fancy, just bet bet bet.

    oh and another common one is "OMG FOLD! stop stacking off like an idiot"

    So yah I guess I'm in the same boat as your "bluff - 13" and "bad calls - 11". It's kind of nice having an excel spreadsheet though, cause when you're running bad you can go back to when you were upswinging and look at what you were doing well.

    DaGoat - haha you drive a hard bargain. Ok next set of hands, I'll convert them!
  46. #121
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    I find I learn my lesson, then a couple weeks later its back without realising.

    Fnord has a saying that we play a couple of stinker hands each session, so dont worry about them. I try to go with that and not get caught up over a couple bad hands per session, but listing them and counting them like this helps me realise when I've slipped from a couple into a real problem.

    I'm literally thinking of sticking a list above my monitor to see if that helps keep me in check better .
    Just dipping my toes back in.
  47. #122
    Prop-bet addictions!

    Ok so I'm about to lose my propbet with Alexos for this month quite handily... as expected. I really think I can beat him.. I don't think these competitions are as one-sided as the results seem to show.. but I just really can't win lately so we'll see how next month goes

    But as an aside, Alexos and I decided that we've been waaaay too much of pot controlling donks lately.. with ridiculously low AF's lately in the low-mid 2's.

    (my AF several months ago used to consistently be in the 3-3.5 range on every street, and it isn't anymore)

    In any case, we made a prop bet today. We're gonna 6 table 500nl for 5k hands (not a huge sample.. but a good start) and we have to maintain an AF > 4 overall.

    Winner of the prop bet is the player who wins the most over 5k hands with an AF >4.
    If either player has an AF > 6, they win by default no matter how much won or lost.
    I guess if both players have AF > 6, then either player with highest AF wins or highest earn wins (what do you think Alexos?)

    Loser of the prop bet is gonna make a vid, and I guess if it's good maybe it'll be FTR worthy!

    I think this will be a good bet, to get us back to our old aggressive roots. I think somewhere along the lines of highstakes, we became passive and decided to let the mad aggro regs do all the betting and we'd just let them bluff into us. This may not be a bad plan at all, but will be good to get our feel back for playing more aggressive.
  48. #123
    So today was the first day of Alexos and I's 500nl AF > 4 prop bet, so to speak.

    I played 3k hands today and it was alright. It was nice to start barelling more than I had been, and just having ppl call me down light in spots etc. I hadn't had a truly bad image in a while!

    I won't say too much about my AF for this session or how much wins or losses were, cause I want Alexos to be in the dark until we both get to the 5k hand mark for this.

    Here are some hands from this session though. I converted them, as per request by Da Goat!



    Hand 1:
    -villain is pretty good, aggro regular
    -we've had a few 3-betting/4-betting wars and he's shown up with the goods most of the time.. esp in 4-bet pots
    -I'm not sure what his range is for betting this flop, but I felt like most of
    his range that was drawing or for value would check behind on this turn


    $2/$5 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG guynexdor ($548.49)
    UTG+1 jomapel ($600.00)
    CO KWR460 ($918.47)
    BTN Corrosive ($597.65)
    SB kermit6 ($454.80)
    BB Hero ($1034.60)

    Pre-flop: ($7, 6 players) Hero is BB
    3 folds, Corrosive raises to $15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $55, Corrosive calls $40

    Flop: ($112, 2 players)
    Hero checks, Corrosive bets $75, Hero calls $75

    Turn: ($262, 2 players)
    Hero checks, Corrosive bets $170, Hero folds


    Hand 2:
    -villain is kinda donkish
    -River bet standard here.. or check through?

    $2/$5 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Hero ($532.15)
    UTG+1 Corrosive ($1134.95)
    CO pasajlic ($483.00)
    BTN MACHone ($517.00)
    SB D_ouble07 ($769.01)
    BB guynexdor ($874.65)

    Pre-flop: ($7, 6 players) Hero is UTG
    Hero raises to $15, 4 folds, guynexdor calls $10

    Flop: ($32, 2 players)
    guynexdor checks, Hero bets $23, guynexdor calls $23

    Turn: ($78, 2 players)
    guynexdor checks, Hero bets $50, guynexdor calls $50

    River: ($178, 2 players)
    guynexdor checks, Hero bets $110


    Hand 3
    -no real reads on this guy either way.. he seems ok
    -turn bet is luring me into a call.... bad call here?

    $2/$5 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG wingster ($500.00)
    UTG+1 MACHone ($488.00)
    CO D_ouble07 ($531.06)
    BTN guynexdor ($662.50)
    SB Hero ($1247.65)
    BB Corrosive ($834.30)

    Pre-flop: ($7, 6 players) Hero is SB
    2 folds, D_ouble07 raises to $15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $55, 1 fold, D_ouble07 calls $40

    Flop: ($115, 2 players)
    Hero bets $85, D_ouble07 calls $85

    Turn: ($285, 2 players)
    Hero checks, D_ouble07 bets $80, Hero calls $80


    Hand 4
    -TOKEN go buckwild c/r river hand
    -this guy was raising a lot so 3-betting him light
    -was gonna go for flop c/r but missed it
    -thought he'd bet his FD on flop so didn't think he could have it.. figured he was value betting light on river so went for c/r


    $2/$5 No Limit Holdem
    4 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    CO Kingis00 ($473.00)
    BTN Krampa ($940.77)
    SB wingster ($1094.80)
    BB Hero ($1250.92)

    Pre-flop: ($7, 4 players) Hero is BB
    1 fold, Krampa raises to $20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $80, Krampa calls $60

    Flop: ($162, 2 players)
    Hero checks, Krampa checks

    Turn: ($162, 2 players)
    Hero bets $110, Krampa calls $110

    River: ($382, 2 players)
    Hero checks, Krampa bets $225, Hero raises to $1060.92


    Hand 5
    -beautiful flop but missed my c/r!
    -river bet might be too thin, but I gotta bet to keep my AF high lol stupid
    prop bet!

    $2/$5 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Isomerkii ($507.00)
    UTG+1 pasajlic ($459.30)
    CO ibadbeatu ($1679.60)
    BTN Kingis00 ($466.00)
    SB Hero ($1704.00)
    BB wingster ($586.40)

    Pre-flop: ($7, 6 players) Hero is SB
    2 folds, ibadbeatu raises to $17, 1 fold, Hero raises to $65, 1 fold, ibadbeatu calls $48

    Flop: ($135, 2 players)
    Hero checks, ibadbeatu checks

    Turn: ($135, 2 players)
    Hero bets $95, ibadbeatu calls $95

    River: ($325, 2 players)
    Hero bets $190


    Hand 6
    -villain is unknown.. seemed kinda loose donkish
    -TOKEN ok what are you repping?.. nothing... I call you with A high hand

    $2/$5 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG goaty ($537.00)
    CO Jussiejay ($353.27)
    BTN wingster ($1183.15)
    SB Isomerkii ($535.90)
    BB Hero ($471.00)

    Pre-flop: ($7, 5 players) Hero is BB
    1 fold, Jussiejay raises to $15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $55, Jussiejay calls $40

    Flop: ($112, 2 players)
    Hero checks, Jussiejay checks

    Turn: ($112, 2 players)
    Hero bets $70, Jussiejay calls $70

    River: ($252, 2 players)
    Hero checks, Jussiejay bets $228.27, Hero calls $228.27

    Final Pot: $708.54
    Hero shows:
    Jussiejay shows:

    Hero wins $705.54 ( won +$352.27 )
    Jussiejay lost -$353.27


    Hand 7
    -TOKEN omg poker gods hand

    $2/$5 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Corrosive ($877.56)
    CO kermit6 ($500.00)
    BTN Hero ($1111.12)
    SB davewhu23 ($327.83)
    BB KWR460 ($496.32)
    [kermit6 posted $5]

    Pre-flop: ($12, 5 players) Hero is BTN
    1 fold, kermit6 checks, Hero raises to $15, davewhu23 calls $13, KWR460 raises to $60, kermit6 folds, Hero calls $45, davewhu23 calls $45

    Flop: ($185, 3 players)
    davewhu23 checks, KWR460 bets $77, Hero calls $77, davewhu23 folds

    Turn: ($339, 2 players)
    KWR460 checks, Hero checks

    River: ($339, 2 players)
    KWR460 bets $222, Hero raises to $444, KWR460 calls $137.32

    Final Pot: $1142.32
    Hero shows:
    KWR460 shows:

    Hero wins $84.68 ( lost -$496.32 )
    KWR460 wins $1054.64 ( won +$558.32 )
    kermit6 lost -$5.00
    davewhu23 lost -$60.00


    Hand 8
    -villain was 3-betting me a lot, so decided to take a stand with some equity
    -probably reasonably standard


    $2/$5 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Krampa ($778.77)
    CO wingster ($1121.80)
    BTN Hero ($852.27)
    SB pasajlic ($675.15)
    BB Kingis00 ($514.00)

    Pre-flop: ($7, 5 players) Hero is BTN
    2 folds, Hero raises to $15, 1 fold, Kingis00 raises to $55, Hero calls $40

    Flop: ($112, 2 players)
    Kingis00 bets $80, Hero raises to $797.27


    Hand 9
    -same villain as hand before, and once again taking a stand
    -seemed like a good board, as all hands worse than Kx will have a tough time calling and I can definitely have some Kx in my range here
    -also good board since no obvious draws on board


    $2/$5 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Krampa ($495.50)
    CO Hero ($618.95)
    BTN Kingis00 ($485.15)
    SB wingster ($488.00)
    BB pasajlic ($1117.85)

    Pre-flop: ($7, 5 players) Hero is CO
    1 fold, Hero raises to $15, Kingis00 raises to $55, 2 folds, Hero calls $40

    Flop: ($117, 2 players)
    Hero checks, Kingis00 bets $80, Hero raises to $563.95


    As an aside, I did some studying of my months 2/5 stats to see where I'm making and losing money:


    for the month at 2/5:

    calling 3-bets I'm up 10k
    3-betting myself: up 8.7k
    suited connectors/one gappers: up 7k
    unsuited connectors/one gappers: down 3.2k and should be down 8k
    suited cards in general: down 400
    unsuited cards in general: down 15k (holy! stop playing these)
    pocket pairs: 99+ : up 23k
    pocket pairs: 22-88: down 2k (all month got it all in with only 5 sets which is pretty brutal)
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    Came here to ask a question, but now I have a request as well. Can you give examples of where you're making money callig 3-bets? I'm down a fair bit in calling 3-bet hands.

    Actually, I have an excel spreadsheet and everyday at the end of the day or end of a session I write down my end bankroll and keep track of my swings for each day. And each day I write a note about what happened, so I guess in a way that's kind of like what you're doing.
    I've started copying this idea, just thought I'd ask exactly what you track. For instance I have

    Movement type (mainly Session but figure I can track bonus/withdraws/etc)
    Total BR
    Buyins (movement amount in buyins for the stakes I play)
    Comments

    And then a column for each site so I can track how much is on each and I just sum those for my total BR column. Anything else you have on yours?
    Just dipping my toes back in.
  50. #125
    [quote="griffey24"]
    Here are some hands from this session though. I converted them, as per request by Da Goat!

    lol this is weird, i seen this when u first posted it and really thought i replied!!!


    Hand 1: imo im betting this flop alot and will barrel if he calls and no heart comes. if he raises our bet tho its a def tough spot but ill prob call it off vs an aggro opp. as played your repping such a weak range of hands that he shud be able to barrel you with ease.

    Hand 2: fine

    Hand 3 - yeah call turn. c/f river.

    Hand 4 - seems ok i guess. only JJ or AJ can call you as played. i pu tmost other hands out of his range and he shud be able to buff you a otn here with missed draws.


    Hand 5 - tough spot. id pu thim on some JJ-KK and Ax hands. i think a river bet is good and he has less Ax holdings. also cud he call off with JJ-KK here much since he doesnt look like you have an Ax hand


    Hand 6 nh

    Hand 7 JJ<AA n wai

    Hand 8 not so bad but since we have an unpaired hand id rather 4bet him. remember the 1st 4bet by some who you've been beatign on is a bluff therefore he cud call lighter



    Hand 9 much prefer the 3bet flat here, nh
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  51. #126
    Hey man,

    Just looking at my 3-bet pot hands for the last little while where I saw flops.

    It looks like most of the hands I won were really very standard type hands. Calling 3-bets in position with strong broadway cards, or suited connector type hands, and shoving flops with good draws etc, or tptk on drawy boards that are likely to get called by worse.

    In a lot of spots, I also called 3-bets in pos with overpairs if I hadn't established a 4-betting reputation against this particular villain in that particular session. In that case, I'd flat overpairs as well, and jam all/most flops, esp if drawy.

    Most of the 3-bet pots that I lost were one's where I shoved draws and missed (obviously) and shoved overcards and got called and missed. I'm starting to think that shoving overcards might not be the best, since you're risking a lot to win a little. Floating with overcards could be better, also since villain will likely bluff fire Q,K,A turns, when you hit.


    As for my excel spreadsheet. I mostly just keep track of my end date bankrolls and also have another column to adjust for any additions/subtractions that may be non poker-related (ie: bonuses, rakeback, losing dumbass prop bets and paying out of my roll etc etc)

    The notes are probably the most helpful thing though, as long as I listen to them.
  52. #127
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24
    Here are some hands from this session though. I converted them, as per request by Da Goat!

    lol this is weird, i seen this when u first posted it and really thought i replied!!!


    Hand 1: imo im betting this flop alot and will barrel if he calls and no heart comes. if he raises our bet tho its a def tough spot but ill prob call it off vs an aggro opp. as played your repping such a weak range of hands that he shud be able to barrel you with ease.

    Hand 2: fine

    Hand 3 - yeah call turn. c/f river.

    Hand 4 - seems ok i guess. only JJ or AJ can call you as played. i pu tmost other hands out of his range and he shud be able to buff you a otn here with missed draws.


    Hand 5 - tough spot. id pu thim on some JJ-KK and Ax hands. i think a river bet is good and he has less Ax holdings. also cud he call off with JJ-KK here much since he doesnt look like you have an Ax hand


    Hand 6 nh

    Hand 7 JJ<AA n wai

    Hand 8 not so bad but since we have an unpaired hand id rather 4bet him. remember the 1st 4bet by some who you've been beatign on is a bluff therefore he cud call lighter



    Hand 9 much prefer the 3bet flat here, nh
    Hey man,

    Thanks for the comments.

    Yah I agree with most comments you made. I definitely should have bet flop. I'm such a pussy in spots where I think its likely I'm gonna get jammed and have a quasi marginal hand, but I should just bet more and be happy to induce shoves.

    Hand 3 - I think c/f is actually prob best, given that we're OOP and also reverse implied odds in our hand. I c/c'd but I don't think its good.

    Hand 5 - pretty bad river bet I think. c/f > c/c > bet I'm pretty sure.
  53. #128
    yeah on hand 5 id c/f>c/c anyway. basically im betting as a bluff.

    most comments are really general though since theres so many hands to look at
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  54. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24
    Loser of the prop bet is gonna make a vid, and I guess if it's good maybe it'll be FTR worthy!

    i think everyone would appreciate a video from either one of you guys, regardless of what you think of the quality.

    did you win?
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  55. #130
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24
    Hey man,

    Just looking at my 3-bet pot hands for the last little while where I saw flops.

    It looks like most of the hands I won were really very standard type hands. Calling 3-bets in position with strong broadway cards, or suited connector type hands, and shoving flops with good draws etc, or tptk on drawy boards that are likely to get called by worse.

    In a lot of spots, I also called 3-bets in pos with overpairs if I hadn't established a 4-betting reputation against this particular villain in that particular session. In that case, I'd flat overpairs as well, and jam all/most flops, esp if drawy.

    Most of the 3-bet pots that I lost were one's where I shoved draws and missed (obviously) and shoved overcards and got called and missed. I'm starting to think that shoving overcards might not be the best, since you're risking a lot to win a little. Floating with overcards could be better, also since villain will likely bluff fire Q,K,A turns, when you hit.
    Heh, I guess if I shoved flops where I have some equity instead of very little I'd probably show results closer to yours . Thanks for reply .
    Just dipping my toes back in.
  56. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24
    Loser of the prop bet is gonna make a vid, and I guess if it's good maybe it'll be FTR worthy!

    i think everyone would appreciate a video from either one of you guys, regardless of what you think of the quality.

    did you win?
    Yah I won in theory, as in I had an AF > 8 the whole time, but lost a lot of $. BUT Alexos won more money than me during that time, while having a weak ass AF < 4. So I suppose "winning" is subjective.

    We actually both recorded a vid yesterday of the two of us playing on a few of the same tables. I don't think either of us have done audio for it yet.. we'll see how it goes!


    Quote Originally Posted by bjsaust

    Heh, I guess if I shoved flops where I have some equity instead of very little I'd probably show results closer to yours . Thanks for reply .
    What kind of flops are you shoving if you're not shoving with equity? What kind of hands are you shoving with?
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    Its embarrasing, but I swear I'm over it now!!

    Umm, mainly mid PPs where I dont believe them.

    I'm also probably folding draws because of poor odds instead of shoving with them. I'll check that out.
    Just dipping my toes back in.
  58. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by bjsaust
    Umm, mainly mid PPs where I dont believe them.
    ugh.. yah I don't like this. Honestly, when you're shoving ("bluff shoving"), don't think about what hand they HAVE but rather what hand they are CALLING with.

    You don't care what hand they have if they are folding, so it doesn't matter.

    You want your hand to have the best equity against their CALLING range. Just because 66 is a pair and AQ is just A high, doesn't mean that it's better to shove 66 than AQ. 66 is completely owned against their calling range (2 outs), but AQ has better equity and sometimes even 6 outs. Even further, if you have some kind of draw its more outs even still.
  59. #134
    oh noez

    sounds like you recorded a session of Ravageur getting murdered?

    Can't wait to see it
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  60. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc
    oh noez

    sounds like you recorded a session of Ravageur getting murdered?

    Can't wait to see it
    Just checked the video.. noooo I don't think I recorded that session where he got quasi owned! haha, but maybe I'll record it next time.
  61. #136
    its okay, Ravageur gets owned pretty bad in my vid...

    And by owned i mean coolered
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  62. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by Alexos
    its okay, Ravageur gets owned pretty bad in my vid...

    And by owned i mean coolered
    more of this plz
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    Yeah, I finally worked that advice out on my own, but its one that can do with being reinforced. Double checked my results, I'm actually not down that much in called 3-bet pots afterall. If I take one cooler out I'm about even, so if I can keep not bluff shoving without equity it should start going up again soon.

    Thanks.
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    What's your bankroll at now Griffey I'm reading with anticipation - also any developments with the vid? I'd love to watch it! Thanks
  65. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by LuckySlevin
    What's your bankroll at now Griffey I'm reading with anticipation - also any developments with the vid? I'd love to watch it! Thanks
    Thanks for the support luckyslevin,

    BR is at around 73k right now. Started the month down a solid 15k or something, but got it back to around even now and am running around 16k under EV.

    I'm playing a lot better as of late, and slowly results are showing, so I'm hoping that I FINALLY turned a new leaf after months of nonsense bad play. I guess we'll see!
  66. #141
    Alright.. so someone really switched the doom switch on me yesterday and today. So whoever did that, please switch it back!

    Yesterday I got smoked QQ vs KK, KK vs AA, AK vs AA and a few other bad beats to the tune of $3k in 20mins. I stop lossed that session before it got out of hand.

    I lost like 5 flips today at 5/10 and then a few others at 2/5.. so pretty much I lost all my flips today which is pretty tilt inducing.

    Then someone doomswitched me more with these hands in my second session of today. Hand 1 is obviously fine, but I'm not sure if maaaybe somehow hand 2 and 3 are potentially overplayed, especially hand 3:


    Hand 1

    $2/$5 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG J9sharky ($695.69)
    UTG+1 jomapel ($535.00)
    CO shahzad ($730.55)
    BTN Spirillen ($540.00)
    SB imsta ($847.00)
    BB Hero ($533.60)

    Pre-flop: ($7, 6 players) Hero is BB
    2 folds, shahzad calls $5, 1 fold, imsta calls $3, Hero checks

    Flop: ($15, 3 players)
    imsta checks, Hero bets $12, shahzad calls $12, imsta folds

    Turn: ($39, 2 players)
    Hero bets $30, shahzad calls $30

    River: ($99, 2 players)
    Hero checks, shahzad bets $35, Hero raises to $486.60, shahzad calls $451.60

    Final Pot: $1072.20
    shahzad shows:
    Hero shows:

    shahzad wins $1069.20 ( won +$535.60 )
    imsta lost -$5.00
    Hero lost -$533.60


    Hand 2

    $2/$5 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Hero ($1091.70)
    CO 15ti1000 ($470.20)
    BTN Blu_Blood ($1409.70)
    SB Dunyamum ($58.60)
    BB Klipps ($519.00)

    Pre-flop: ($7, 5 players) Hero is UTG
    Hero raises to $15, 3 folds, Klipps calls $10

    Flop: ($32, 2 players)
    Klipps checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($32, 2 players)
    Klipps bets $22, Hero calls $22

    River: ($76, 2 players)
    Klipps checks, Hero bets $70, Klipps raises to $255, Hero raises to $1054.70, Klipps calls $227

    Final Pot: $1612.70
    Klipps shows:
    Hero shows:

    Klipps wins $1037 ( won +$518 )


    Hand 3

    $2/$5 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Yimmy1 ($210.08)
    CO 0fresh0 ($527.85)
    BTN Spirillen ($952.15)
    SB Hero ($916.85)
    BB J9sharky ($341.04)

    Pre-flop: ($7, 5 players) Hero is SB
    3 folds, Hero raises to $15, J9sharky calls $10

    Flop: ($30, 2 players)
    Hero checks, J9sharky checks

    Turn: ($30, 2 players)
    Hero bets $25, J9sharky calls $25

    River: ($80, 2 players)
    Hero bets $65, J9sharky raises to $130, Hero raises to $876.85, J9sharky calls $171.04

    Final Pot: $1257.89
    Hero shows:
    J9sharky shows:

    Hero wins $575.81 ( lost -$341.04 )
    J9sharky wins $679.08 ( won +$338.04 )


    And a few non cooler hands:

    Hand 4
    -villain isn't anything too crazy, not too aggro or too tricky just pretty taggish

    $2/$5 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG 0fresh0 ($429.00)
    CO Spirillen ($790.00)
    BTN theguns ($140.00)
    SB Hero ($1361.25)
    BB ($529.30)

    Pre-flop: ($7, 5 players) Hero is SB
    0fresh0 raises to $17, Spirillen calls $17, 1 fold, Hero calls $15, 1 fold

    Flop: ($56, 3 players)
    Hero bets $40, 1 fold, Spirillen calls $40

    Turn: ($136, 2 players)
    Hero bets $75, Spirillen calls $75

    River: ($286, 2 players)
    Hero checks, Spirillen bets $170, Hero calls ??

    Hand 5
    -villain again is pretty taggy, and decent regular
    -capable of folding I'm pretty sure

    $2/$5 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Hroar ($743.35)
    UTG+1 15ti1000 ($646.00)
    CO ($1416.15)
    BTN 0fresh0 ($410.20)
    SB Klipps ($929.00)
    BB Hero ($584.85)

    Pre-flop: ($7, 6 players) Hero is BB
    2 folds, CO raises to $20, 2 folds, Hero calls $15

    Flop: ($42, 2 players)
    Hero checks, CObets $30, Hero calls $30

    Turn: ($102, 2 players)
    Hero bets $64, CO calls $64

    River: ($230, 2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $185, Hero raises to $470.85
  67. #142
    First 3 are fine. Don't check paired flops with overpairs though, people love to play poker on these flops.

    4 ya idk I cant put him on much that beats us.

    5 he's getting too good a price.
  68. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Irisheyes
    First 3 are fine. Don't check paired flops with overpairs though, people love to play poker on these flops.

    4 ya idk I cant put him on much that beats us.

    5 he's getting too good a price.
    Thanks Irish, yah I was going to c/r the QQ hand on the paired board just cause it looks so bluffy/airy that I figured to get played back at light.

    I usually bet here though.

    Ok I'm glad that all those boats are standard.

    Yah 5 is probably pretty close. He ended up folding, but its possible i just had the best hand in the first place.
  69. #144
    So the last few weeks I've been playing pretty well. Though results aren't particularly showing of it, since I can safely say that August has been my worst month ever in terms of "running bad" (too many coolers to count, and suckouts). Which is pretty crazy, considering I've felt the last few months haven't been tooo hot either!

    But nonetheless, I don't mind having a down month as long as I think I'm playing pretty well, so that's alright. Hopefully next month I play well AND run well, and then all will be good!

    My "Elements of Poker" - by Tommy Angelo arrived today, which is exciting! I've heard some good things about it, so I'm looking forward to reading it. I'll give some thoughts on it once I'm further in.

    BR: 63k
    down around 13k this month, but running from what I can tell around 20ishk under expectation, which is pretty sick!

    My goal for the next bit is to: well finish reading elements of poker. But also to avoid high variance spots for the time being. I'd rather avoid high variance spots, especially while I'm running bad.

    This is what i mean by high variance spot, and is a hand I had while taking a shot at 10/20 (5/10 pounds) the other day. The high variance decision is choosing to 3-bet on flop (when I probably don't have that much fold equity vs this opponent) instead of calling and c/f missed turns.


    No Limit Holdem Ring game
    Blinds: $5/$10 pounds
    6 players
    Converter

    Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with
    UTG calls, 4 folds, 4 folds, Hero checks.

    Flop: ($25, 2 players)
    Hero bets $17, UTG raises to $70, Hero raises to $240, UTG raises all-in $920, Hero calls.
  70. #145
    Haven't been playing much the last few days. Just trying to close this month out and start fresh or something. Instead of playing, I've been trying to do some calculations and stuff.

    My calculations for last night were trying to figure out what % of time we need folds if we're 5-bet jamming hands like :As: or something. Or pocket 5's.

    Assumption: 5-bet calling range by villain once he 4-bets = 99+, AQ+

    5-bet Jamming with Axs hands

    Axs has about 31% equity vs this calling range.

    So given:
    villain open to 3 BB ($15 at 2/5)
    Hero repop to 11 BB ($55)
    villain 4-bet to 26 BB ($130)
    Hero jams 100BB stack ($500 in middle total)

    We need villain to be 4-bet folding 51% of the time for his 5-bet jam to be profitable! This surprised me, as this requires a VERY high frequency for villain to be bluffing.

    5-bet Jamming with smaller pairs

    Pocket 5's has about 37ish% equity vs the same calling range above.
    In this scenario, with 55, we need villain to be 4-bet folding 38% of time, which is still a lot but seems more reasonable.


    4-bet Jamming over 3-bets

    Hero opens 3 BB
    Villain 3-bets to 11 BB
    Hero jams for full stack 100BB

    Assume a tighter 4-bet jam calling range here of JJ+.

    Axs has about 29% equity vs this range, and we need folds 75%!! To 4-bet jam and be profitable.
    55 has about 33ish% equity vs this range, and we need folds 72% to 4-bet jam be profitable.

    These are both VERY high fold percentages that we need, so we need someone who is 3-betting very light to do this, and ideally probably when we are CO vs a button 3-bet.

    I think both of these examples show that these 'bluffs' need to work very often and are probably mostly best served for meta game or when we have a strong read.
  71. #146
    nice point, some thoughts:

    I think 4bet jamming looking for 75% isnt that high, ppl will prob fold more than that intitially.

    Then we need to add in other factors like history/your image/his image/have u dont this 4bet jam yet which imo will drastically lower his folding %.
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  72. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Da GOAT
    I think 4bet jamming looking for 75% isnt that high, ppl will prob fold more than that intitially.
    I agree with this. I think especially the first time you raise on CO and BTN 3-bets you, they will be folding a VERY high percentage to a 4-bet jam. Much higher than 75% I'd say.

    But that assumes that the first time this happens, you have a hand as good as A2s or 55 or something from CO.

    4-bet jams like this also work cause it LOOKS like AK, so people will often fold good aces and even lower pairs not wanting to just flip hoping its AK.
  73. #148
    I think you need some serious history before villains start snap calling AQ and even TT/99. But maybe my games play differently than yours...
  74. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by zook
    I think you need some serious history before villains start snap calling AQ and even TT/99. But maybe my games play differently than yours...

    Are you commenting on my 5-bet calling range in the first example?

    I think its safe to say that IF villain is 4-betting 99/TT and AQ that they ARE going to be calling a 5-bet shove. Otherwise, I can't imagine why they'd 4-bet/fold such strong hands. That's why I included those in the range.

    I'm assuming that the scenario we'd be 5-bet shoving A2s is one in which we've been 3-betting them a lot, such that we'd assume they would be 4-bet/calling hands like 99+ kind of thing.
  75. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24
    I think its safe to say that IF villain is 4-betting 99/TT and AQ that they ARE going to be calling a 5-bet shove. Otherwise, I can't imagine why they'd 4-bet/fold such strong hands. That's why I included those in the range.
    Yeah, you're right I should have said I don't think they're 4-betting them. Although AQ is still a fold if you 4bet it and get shoved on without history.

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