Road to 100k: stop spewing! (COMPLETE!!)

So the month is coming to a close. Nothing new to report here... it's pretty much the same old problem. I'm a river hero calling station and need to fix that problem!

Spewed off my early month winnings and ran pretty bad to close the month in terms of cooler madness..so I'm glad this month is coming to a close!

Looks like I lost my bet to Alex.. no surprise there! We tried discussing different types of propbets to get me to stop hero-calling.. like I pay him $20 per hero call. But its kinda hard.. cause the definition of "hero call" is kind of subjective.

I'm broadening my prop betting horizons though. So far I've succesfully lost all of my FTR bets.. all my monetary one's to Alex and as of late, my world series bet with Zook. So now.. who's the next FTR member to benefit from my propbet fishiness? None other than mr. kmind!

We decided that kmind needs to get in more hands and I need to just start winning. So for the month of november, kmind needs to play 20k hands and be profitable and I need to win at least $10k in november. $200 each way for each of these goals.

Hopefully we both breakeven, good luck Kmind!

Let's both ship the prop!!!!

Good luck!

Izzzz we need to settle our next prop bet tmr morning. Nom nom nom!!!!!

who wants to bet that I run at 7 ptbb/100 at 2-5 and higher for november?

1k prob bet imo

btw if u guys want action gotta take the bet before sat imo

it applies to a min of 15k hands

Originally Posted by Genitruc

who wants to bet that I run at 7 ptbb/100 at 2-5 and higher for november?

1k prob bet imo

Mannnn I would so take this if I didn't already have two pending bets going.. I can't stand to lose 3 bets in one month! Alex you take this!

I think for whoever takes this bet though, 15k hands is too little?...

Speaking of hero calls and to make them or not!:

I had a hand with a kinda aggroish donkey player tonight. He was running around 58/32/2 over 100 hands, but was the type that seemed to bet if you checked to him and such.

Some history first:

-He called my big squeeze from the blinds with 33 after UTG also called the squeeze and then I checked an AAA flop with QQ and he bet/called my shove on this board with 33

-this is a hand he had with someone else, and he is SB

$2/$5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($508.15)
UTG+1 ($1319.80)
Hero ($498.00)
BTN ($1741.22)
SB ($2039.46)
BB ($664.50)

Pre-flop: ($7, 6 players) Hero is CO
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $20, Hero folds, 1 fold, SB calls $18, 1 fold

Flop: ($45, 2 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets $30, SB raises to $90, UTG+1 calls $60

Turn: ($225, 2 players)
SB bets $150, UTG+1 calls $150

River: ($525, 2 players)
SB bets $550, UTG+1 calls $550

Final Pot: $1625
SB shows:
UTG+1 shows:

UTG+1 wins $1622 ( won +$812 )
SB lost -$810.00


-This is another hand with me, and I was surprised to see him turn this hand into a bluff, but was happy I was ahead anyhow!

$2/$5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($1080.00)
UTG+1 ($1319.22)
CO ($1032.06)
BTN ($657.30)
SB ($954.05)
BB ($2135.20)

Pre-flop: ($7, 6 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $15, 1 fold, CO calls $15, 3 folds

Flop: ($37, 2 players)
Hero bets $24, CO calls $24

Turn: ($85, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($85, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $75, Hero calls $75

Final Pot: $235
CO shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $232 ( won +$118 )
CO lost -$114.00


Hand in question
-not sure if this is a good or bad spot or not given the info I knew above

$2/$5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($1447.22)
UTG+1 ($800.76)
CO ($1048.00)
BTN ($595.05)
SB ($2142.20)
Hero ($663.30)

Pre-flop: ($7, 6 players) Hero is BB
UTG raises to $20, UTG+1 calls $20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $80, UTG calls $60, UTG+1 calls $60

Flop: ($242, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks

Turn: ($242, 3 players)
Hero bets $122, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $122

River: ($486, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $598.76, Hero calls $461.30??

ya i think i call v v quickly

Originally Posted by griffey24

Originally Posted by daven

you know about river check-call right?

b/f in this spot is much better since his calling range is waay bigger than his value betting with worse range. The only thingthat might sway this is if he's actually capable of turning AQ/AK into a bluff here knowing I have no boat and he's a nit... but I'm not sure of that.

i only recently discovered omg river check-call and want to apply it whenever i can. Mostly cos i see calling ranges that are way narrower than the combined value betting with worse + bluff-stabs with worse range

Maybe the limits I play affect how I perceive this situation - I see people bet all sorts of crazy hands when checked to in this situation, worse flushes, TT/JJ, etc. Here it seems as though the river lead is going to extract zero value (is he calling AK?), and i like to showdown a flush here if i get the chance.

Originally Posted by daven

Originally Posted by griffey24

Originally Posted by daven

you know about river check-call right?

b/f in this spot is much better since his calling range is waay bigger than his value betting with worse range. The only thingthat might sway this is if he's actually capable of turning AQ/AK into a bluff here knowing I have no boat and he's a nit... but I'm not sure of that.

i only recently discovered omg river check-call and want to apply it whenever i can. Mostly cos i see calling ranges that are way narrower than the combined value betting with worse + bluff-stabs with worse range

Maybe the limits I play affect how I perceive this situation - I see people bet all sorts of crazy hands when checked to in this situation, worse flushes, TT/JJ, etc. Here it seems as though the river lead is going to extract zero value (is he calling AK?), and i like to showdown a flush here if i get the chance.

I think in this particular example, we're talking about a pretty nitty player. So the more important questions to ask are "Is he going to call a bet with AK more often than he will bet AK if checked to?" (which is clearly yes in this spot). "Is he going to call worse flushes than bet them if checked to?" again this is yes. "Is he likely to bluff shove on the river with worse hands than us?" - the answer here is probably no, as most of the hands he gets to river with have showdown value so he'd likely just call or fold. So in this spot b/f is clearly better.

Against a very aggressive opponents, there would be more debate for either c/c or even b/c if betting might induce a spastic bluff shove

How's the month so far?

I fucking suck at poker.

Hand in question: I'd check turn, but as played i think you have to fold river. He raised UTG and called a threebet, severely tightening his range, and then 86,t8, fd etc hit on the river, and he repped sd value on the turn anyways.

Originally Posted by kmind

How's the month so far?

I fucking suck at poker.

Hey man, I actually haven't been home yet "all month"... halloween stuff, and went to the raptors game. I'll probably get in some hands in the evening today. How's it going for you?

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Hand in question: I'd check turn, but as played i think you have to fold river. He raised UTG and called a threebet, severely tightening his range, and then 86,t8, fd etc hit on the river, and he repped sd value on the turn anyways.

Hey man, yah I agree that there probably isn't too much value in a bet in this spot. Though, the villain in this hand actually cold called the UTG raise from UTG+1 and then called the 3bet after UTG. Not sure if that really makes a significant difference here, for calling now between folding?

omg u were at the raps home opener?

seemed like sheer madness on TV

Originally Posted by Genitruc

omg u were at the raps home opener?

seemed like sheer madness on TV

Yaah it was soo good! I'm pretty excited about them this year, they have a good team. It went to OT though which was good. .. cause they won.. but bad worrying about getting into clubs on halloween after the game!

I wish I lived downtown downtown.. I'd get season ticks for sure. gotta get out of the 'burbs!

we will definitely hit up some games this year

if Rav keeps running hot and owning, he may just buy a piece of the team so getting tix will be ez

Nice man, NBA games are sweet to go to, but bobcats > raptors

Originally Posted by Genitruc

we will definitely hit up some games this year

if Rav keeps running hot and owning, he may just buy a piece of the team so getting tix will be ez

sweeet.. let me know when you're in town, I'm game whenever. My goal is to go to all of their playoff games this year (when they make the playoffs... that is)

kmind - raptors >>> bobcats! when do they play each other? we should put some $ on it!

I had a hand today and I think it was a turning point for me. I just always level myself into making calls. "Well.. it looks like I have air or A high here tryin to thin value bet, and he knows I'm thin value betting so he's jamming... so I have to call"

$2/$5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($593.40)
UTG+1 ($584.65)
CO ($413.98)
Hero ($555.61)
SB ($509.50)
BB ($678.15)

Pre-flop: ($7, 6 players) Hero is BTN
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $60, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $40

Flop: ($127, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($127, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

River: ($127, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $74, UTG+1 raises to $524.65, Hero calls $421.61

Final Pot: $1147.26
UTG+1 shows:
Hero shows:

UTG+1 wins $1144.26 ( won +$559.61 )
Hero lost -$555.61



This hand was my last straw... too many hero calls.. and I can't stop it. I think I'm gonna look into getting a mental coach or something.
( http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/10...endler-312054/ )

I just can't find the fold button ever, and I'm realizing that its not gonna change itself, so I need to be proactive I guess.

The coach sounds pretty busy though, so I might be waiting a while still.

In other news, I went prop bet crazy this month.

I have my bet with kmind for $200.

I have a bet with another guy on crypto that I will win $10k and he will win $20k. $500 bet. We can pull out after two weeks for $250.

I now have a bet with alex (ldo) that I will win $10k and he will win $35k. $500 bet. we can pull out after two weeks for $250.

imo alex and I will keep making bets, and the margin will keep getting wider and wider until I win one! (or I go busto.. whichever comes first).

So.. I pretty much need to win $10k this month. Down $4k to start first couple of days doesn't help.. but it doesn't matter. It's happening!

I'm gonna play mostly 2/5, cause I withdrew a big chunk and don't wanna go busto and have to re-deposit.

Nice play by villain in that hand. Out of curiosity, why would you vbet A-high here? I think your hand looks more like what it is (or air or maybe JJ). And I'm not sure what hands you're getting value from that call a 3b oop. 99?

It sounds like that mental coach is for real so I'm sure he would help you out. As you know, hero calls are one of my biggest leaks as well so I'll share anything I can think of. One idea is committing yourself to quitting as soon as you make a big hero call for the wrong reasons. I know immediately after I click call (and presumably before) if I'm doing it for the right reasons (ranges and reads) or wrong reasons (some version of "aw, fuck it" goes through my mind). If you committed to ending your session in the latter cases, it might make you slow down a little more before you click call? Another option is to pay me $20 for every bad hero call you make.

Originally Posted by zook

Nice play by villain in that hand. Out of curiosity, why would you vbet A-high here? I think your hand looks more like what it is (or air or maybe JJ). And I'm not sure what hands you're getting value from that call a 3b oop. 99?

It sounds like that mental coach is for real so I'm sure he would help you out. As you know, hero calls are one of my biggest leaks as well so I'll share anything I can think of. One idea is committing yourself to quitting as soon as you make a big hero call for the wrong reasons. I know immediately after I click call (and presumably before) if I'm doing it for the right reasons (ranges and reads) or wrong reasons (some version of "aw, fuck it" goes through my mind). If you committed to ending your session in the latter cases, it might make you slow down a little more before you click call? Another option is to pay me $20 for every bad hero call you make.

Villain in that hand is the type that doesn't believe that much. So I felt like he might even look me up with AQ in that spot or something. The problem I get into is that I feel as though I take a certain line with a certain hand.. like in the T9 case, where T9 is the top of my range for a hand that I"d take that line with. So I convince myself to call. It's also possible that someone might turn any other midpairish type hand into a bluff.. but who knows.

I also convince myself to call, when I tell myself "man, this is such a good spot for him to bluff bomb, cause I look so weak"... so I feel as though just cause I'd bluff there other ppl would too. Yah its bad.. god I hate hero calls!

The mental coach definitely sounds good, and I'm probably gonna do it. He sounds really busy till January though, which is too bad!

Thanks for the advice zook, and yah I insta quit all my tables when I made that hero call. I think a good thing to do is to quit for like 1-2 hours every hero call I make as a punishment. If i keep doing it, I'll just never play, and that should teach me.

wow wtf terrible timing for my overbet on the river

Originally Posted by Genitruc

wow wtf terrible timing for my overbet on the river

lol OMG.. I almost FTR blog levelled myself thinking you ALREADY read this! hahah

glad I folded!

this was the hand:

$2/$5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Genitruc ($1088.25)
Genitruc+1 ($502.00)
CO ($485.00)
BTN ($203.54)
Hero ($502.00)
BB ($505.00)

Pre-flop: ($7, 6 players) Hero is SB
Genitruc raises to $17, 3 folds, Hero calls $15, 1 fold

Flop: ($39, 2 players)
Hero checks, Genitruc checks

Turn: ($39, 2 players)
Hero checks, Genitruc bets $31, Hero calls $31

River: ($101, 2 players)
Hero checks, Genitruc bets $145, Hero folds

Final Pot: $246

Genitruc wins $243 ( won +$50 )
Hero lost -$48.00


Genitruc claims AK

I think Geni just leveled you so hard

Originally Posted by zook

I think Geni just leveled you so hard

Its possible. man it really sucks playing FTRers when I write in my blog "today I'm folding to all river overbets" and then they start overbetting

Gah all I can say is I feel for you man. Hang in there. I was on a super heater until I made a bad hero call vs my crypto nemesis (maria) in a huge pot and it just ate all my momentum and put me on insta-tilt. All that to say: you're not alone! You looked like you were playing better today though from the limited hands I noticed. That straight into top boat is tough without a read on the guy. I think I only fold there when i'm playing super well which is rare. That being said, the line he took is the nuts so often it's sick.

Anyway, run better.

Originally Posted by Ravageur

Gah all I can say is I feel for you man. Hang in there. I was on a super heater until I made a bad hero call vs my crypto nemesis (maria) in a huge pot and it just ate all my momentum and put me on insta-tilt. All that to say: you're not alone! You looked like you were playing better today though from the limited hands I noticed. That straight into top boat is tough without a read on the guy. I think I only fold there when i'm playing super well which is rare. That being said, the line he took is the nuts so often it's sick.

Anyway, run better.

Maria is such a random nemesis to have! haha... I haven't played with him in a while.. does he mostly play 1/2 now? I used to play with him quite a bit. From what I recall, he would just jam like a monkey and 4bet over like every squeeze attempt. Don't remember how bluffy he was back then.

Everytime I sit in to play him HU he refuses it though pffft

Thanks for the feedback on that hand. Yah I mean I think the fold to the river c/r is possible with the straight, but I think its possible that he value raises AJ sometimes and maybe even chop that I should call the small raise. The more I look at this hand, the more I think a boat is unlikely, given that the board is so draw heavy on the flop and there is no c/r.. but I could be wrong... so maybe this makes just Jx more likely here?

This is the hand in question Ravageur is talkin about:

$2/$5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($400.00)
Hero ($501.65)
CO ($1695.45)
BTN ($984.60)
SB ($524.30)
BB ($747.05)

Pre-flop: ($7, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1
UTG raises to $15, Hero calls $15, 3 folds, BB calls $10

Flop: ($47, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $37, BB calls $37, UTG calls $37

Turn: ($158, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($158, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $95, BB raises to $260, UTG folds, Hero calls $165

Final Pot: $678
BB shows:
Hero shows:

BB wins $675 ( won +$363 )
UTG lost -$52.00
Hero lost -$312.00

Originally Posted by Ravageur

Gah all I can say is I feel for you man. Hang in there. I was on a super heater until I made a bad hero call vs my crypto nemesis (maria) in a huge pot and it just ate all my momentum and put me on insta-tilt.

oh and show hand!

Meh I hate my OOP flop check it was just like an 'oh i don't know what to do if he raises me so i'll just check and hope he keeps the pot small'. Then when that bastard bets there's no way I can find the fold button even though the river is just an easy fold after I took such a 'i want to get to showdown' line. Add to that that he is up over 5k on me on crypto and just always owns me so he knows i'm never folding since I want to re-own him.

***** Hand History for Game 8229103694 *****
$500.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, November 03, 09:39:11 ET 2008
Table Chelsagloria (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Ravageur ( $841.95 USD )
Seat 2: trespeu ( $691.95 USD )
Seat 3: Jibby147 ( $500.00 USD )
Seat 4: imsta ( $623.90 USD )
Seat 5: Maria158 ( $871.15 USD )
Seat 6: theguns ( $135.00 USD )
theguns posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
Ravageur posts big blind [$5.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ravageur [ Qs Ac ]
trespeu folds
imsta folds
Maria158 raises [$15.00 USD]
theguns folds
Ravageur raises [$49.00 USD]
Maria158 calls [$39.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jh, Qh, 8h ]
Ravageur checks
Maria158 bets [$70.00 USD]
Ravageur calls [$70.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5s ]
Ravageur checks
Maria158 bets [$140.00 USD]
Ravageur calls [$140.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
Ravageur checks
Maria158 bets [$400.00 USD]
Ravageur calls [$400.00 USD]
Maria158 shows [3h, 4h ]
Ravageur shows [Qs, Ac ]
Maria158 wins $1327.00 USD from main pot

nah I srsly had AK in that hand griff and was like 100% sure you were calling

just a thought for Rav : in general vs ppl who call and apply pressure it's not always great to 3-bet AQo oop

ravag - I play so many hands like that, and it always ends up bad. Just cause its almost like I level myself into a call down, cause you "took a line to let him bluff, so you can't fold now in case he's bluffing".. sucks. Though more often than not, the first couple barrels are air and they give up but if that third barrel comes in its legit.

Would you have bet/called shove on flop? I kind of like a c/c flop, lead turn line... though again its possible to convince yourself that a sudden "donk lead" would induce a raise.

Not everyone is bluffing.

I say this as a reminder to myself ,but for different reasons than normal. Normally I'd be saying this because I become too much of a station, especially making far too many bad/expensive river calls.

Today I'm saying this in terms of getting value out of big hands. As of late, I've been calling too much when people make big donks into me, or raise me on the flop or turn. The logic being "If they have a hand, they will bet again and if they have air I should let them bluff". I think this logic does work sometimes (more specifically against aggro/bluffy players), but lately I've been noticing several spots where I should just be shipping it over their aggression and instead I call and bad cards come or they slow down and I lose too much value with my good hands when they ARE NOT bluffing at the time of their aggression.

Not everyone is bluffing. So don't get fancy, and just ship it in with the good hands!


(aside from that: down $2k on month, but up around $1k with EV. Playing better as of late though, so thats good. Just gotta stick with it!)

Played some 50nl on FT today with kmind.. like 5 tabling.

Wow.. playing low stakes is a solid recipe for disaster! I'm pretty sure I was just jamming the whole world. "zomggg insider JAMMMM".

I solidly donated a bit to kmind though... so thats good at least!

Aside from that, I've been playing a lot better at 2/5, 5/10 later. Not making nearly as many hero calls, and just playing more aggro in general which is going well.

Enjoyed it today for sure haha. Pretty fucking crazy action. Toughest/weirdest 1 buyin day I think I have ever had.

I've been tryin to use HEM filters lately to find leaks. I think I might have found a pretty glaring one so far.

I filtered only for "allin preflop" for this month. A filter which, playing well, I would expect should be VERY positive.

I was up only $280 (so about on avg with the stakes i play 40 bb's) over 80 allin hands. This seems pretty bad to me.

I'd be interested in hearing what kind of results other people get when they filter for "allin preflop" hands only?

I find myself getting it in as 2:1 dog waaaaaay too much.

I went through the HEM 'articles' which are obviously very basic and mostly obvious but I still found it was reassuring to see that I was in the right range and in a few spots I saw that there were things I could improve (tighten up oop and loosen up ip).

I'm not sure what AI preflop filter you mean though. It wasn't an option to 'load' it and the once you get from 'edit' seem weird.

I'm in Philly on my way to Vegas so here's to both of us running good.

I am proud to say I am proud of your FTR avatar, Rav.

As for Griffey running good... MAKE THE MANIEZ, THE F DO.

Originally Posted by Ravageur

I'm not sure what AI preflop filter you mean though. It wasn't an option to 'load' it and the once you get from 'edit' seem weird.

I'm in Philly on my way to Vegas so here's to both of us running good.

Rav - the all-in preflop filter is in the filters section, edit, and then go to the 'more filters' tab and its at the bottom of the 'preflop filters' section, "all in preflop"

Figured it was a good filter to judge by 5bet jamming and 4bet/calling frequencies. And it seems mine are def off right now.

Enjoy UFC and good luck in vegas!

Haven't posted in here much lately. Finding it hard to post many good HH's and stuff lately, cause I find that more and more people playing my stakes on crypto have found this blog. So, last thing I wanna say is something like "today I'm flatting all overpairs" and have these ppl read it. Though I guess I can level them!

I just played a pretty sick session tonight. The biggest aggro fish I've ever seen was playing. He was running 98/50/8 and was in ever pot and betting pot, POT, in EVERY hand, on EVERY street over and over and over again.

If you had any piece, you pretty much knew the second he potted it on flop that your stack was in the middle, so decision time was right there. Makes for a pretty high variance scenario!

This was at 2/5, and he ended up leaving after around 70 hands and around 9 buyins later!

Here are some interesting hands from this session:


Hand 1:
- SB in this hand is the mega whale 98/50/8.0 aggro aggro crazy aggro donk betting pot everywhere
- UTG+1 is a good reg

$2/$5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($1306.23)
UTG+1 ($2725.70)
Hero ($2866.70)
BTN ($852.00)
SB ($449.00)
BB ($947.00)

Pre-flop: ($7, 6 players) Hero is CO
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $20, Hero calls $20, BTN calls $20, SB calls $18, 1 fold

preflop call is pretty standard given that me and reg are like >500bb's deep

Flop: ($85, 4 players)
SB bets $82, UTG+1 calls $82, Hero raises to $195, 1 fold, SB calls $113, UTG+1 folds

I think this is the interesting part of the hand. Once reg calls the crazy fish I'm pretty sure its likely I'm behind him but ahead of the fish. I decide to raise, because given how deep him and I are, there is NO way he can fight back in this spot by raising me again. He's pretty much forced to fold everything (all better 7x, 88-TT and prob even weak Jx hands)

Turn: ($557, 2 players)
SB bets $234, Hero calls $234

with reg out of hand this is a pretty easy call now vs this monkey

River: ($1025, 2 players)

Final Pot: $1025
Hero shows:
SB shows:

Hero wins $1022 ( won +$573 )
UTG+1 lost -$102.00
BTN lost -$20.00
SB lost -$449.00


Hand 2:
-this hand is vs the same reg above, and I'm not sure what the best line is on the river. call or fold?
-I haven't ran any big bluffs today and we've been keeping inline for the most part, but he's not the biggest folder ever to me
-I think the turn raise is good given the range he barrels with but has to fold, but once called shutting down could be correct on river

$2/$5 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO ($501.90)
Hero ($578.90)
SB ($526.00)
BB ($930.00)

Pre-flop: ($7, 4 players) Hero is BTN
CO raises to $15, Hero calls $15, 2 folds

Flop: ($37, 2 players)
CO bets $25, Hero calls $25

Turn: ($87, 2 players)
CO bets $65, Hero raises to $155, CO calls $90

River: ($397, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $383.90, CO calls $306.90

Final Pot: $1087.80
CO shows:
Hero shows:

CO wins $1008.80 ( won +$506.90 )
Hero wins $77 ( lost -$501.90 )


The month is going ok so far. I started the month down around 6k, but I'm probably up near $5k after today's sesh. So I should be sitting pretty good for all my bets requiring me to win $10k!

Hand 1 I love, great flop move to increase your equity in the hand vs a better hand you can push out

Hand 2-only way to win the hand is if u shove river. I like the lining up on bets for a river shove but i think this works a ton more if your seen as a tag. AQ is among the top of his range when he calls turn so meh.

hey man. first of all congrats for all that you've acheived. it's pretty damn good.
as far as your play goes, I think you know exactly what leaks you have, so not much to add there.
on a psychological note, however, I do think that your losses seem to be affecting you. It seems to me that it's not the losses themselves, but the amounts lost. perhaps you're not comfortable losing this much?
Maybe take out a decent chunk and do something for yourself with it...buy a car, invest in something, whatever floats your boat, drop down in limits and reinvent your game and perhaps you'll be less affected when you lose.

Originally Posted by Hate

hey man. first of all congrats for all that you've acheived. it's pretty damn good.
as far as your play goes, I think you know exactly what leaks you have, so not much to add there.
on a psychological note, however, I do think that your losses seem to be affecting you. It seems to me that it's not the losses themselves, but the amounts lost. perhaps you're not comfortable losing this much?
Maybe take out a decent chunk and do something for yourself with it...buy a car, invest in something, whatever floats your boat, drop down in limits and reinvent your game and perhaps you'll be less affected when you lose.

Hey man, thanks for the comments and support. I actually did recently withdraw a pretty big chunk, when the Canadian dollar was doing well relative to USD. But now it sucks again, so I probably won't withdraw for a while.

Yah I mean I think the losses affected me in terms of inducing tilt. I've been pretty good lately at avoiding that.

I've dropped down my number of tables to around 6 lately which has been working well. I've also just slowed down EVERY decision. I think slowing down the pace makes a big difference to your quality of play. When you slowdown your pace for even raises and 3bets preflop, its contagious, and results in taking more time before bluff raises or even big calls postflop.

Sloooow is goood.

Didn't play online yesterday, but played a 50nl home game last night, and shipped like $250. Gotta love home games! Actually my end of the night stack was $500 but I was in for $240!

Sooo this is my graph for the month so far. The green lines aren't correct, due to pounds conversion. I'm up around 5k as of today for the month, and I probably need to get to around 7.5k for the month to reach my 10k goal (with RB) and win these bets.

It's nothing crazy, but its a slow start on the upward path.

The red and blue lines are pretty ridiculous if you ask me.....

Not surprisingly, given the red line, my AF for the month is around 3.95, which is the highest I think I've ever had it for any long period of time.

I don't mind the deviation between the red and blue line. I feel like a lot of the downward blue is stuff that can be fixed with preflop leaks and shoving too light etc. The fact that I've taken AA to showdown 40 times this month and am DOWN $1k overall, also doesn't help matters!

Ravageur tilts my life.

Dude wtf your red and blue lines are like the inverse of mine and my agg. factor is permanently > 3.5

Add my months graph to yours and we've have an excellent blue/red line combo.

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Dude wtf your red and blue lines are like the inverse of mine and my agg. factor is permanently > 3.5

Yaaah I mean, I think the red and blue lines are often inversely proportional. I think I clearly just triple barrel a lot, and this results in upwards red (when I get folds) and downwards blue when called.

So fkn ridiculous...

The sick part is most of the hands are standard but you're just always on the wrong side of it vs me.

Originally Posted by Ravageur

So fkn ridiculous...

The sick part is most of the hands are standard but you're just always on the wrong side of it vs me.

oh yah definitely, the QQ is mega standard, but poker gods are out to get me! The 67 one was pretty standard too, only question was for you to raise or call flop really, and raise/call river.

These are the hands in question vs ravageur

$2/$5 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com


Stacks:
CO ($679.30)
Hero (BTN) ($505.00)
SB ($1008.00)
BB ($172.50)

Pre-flop: ($7, 4 players) Hero is BTN
Ravageur raises to $17, Hero calls $17, InMyTrap calls $15, Jibby147 calls $12

Flop: ($68, 4 players)
InMyTrap checks, Jibby147 bets $40, Ravageur calls $40, Hero raises to $144, InMyTrap folds, Jibby147 raises to $155.50, Ravageur raises to $662.30, Hero calls $344

Turn: ($1373.80, 3 players)

River: ($1373.80, 3 players)

Final Pot: $1373.80
Jibby147 shows:
Ravageur shows:
Hero shows:

Ravageur wins $1371.80 ( won +$692.50 )
InMyTrap lost -$17.00
Jibby147 lost -$172.50
Hero lost -$505.00



$2/$5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($139.20)
Hero (CO) ($494.00)
BTN ($1184.20)
SB ($491.15)
BB ($434.00)

Pre-flop: ($7, 5 players) Hero is CO
1 fold, Hero raises to $15, 2 folds, Ravageur calls $10

Flop: ($32, 2 players)
Ravageur checks, Hero bets $22, Ravageur calls $22

Turn: ($76, 2 players)
Ravageur checks, Hero bets $55, Ravageur calls $55

River: ($186, 2 players)
Ravageur checks, Hero bets $134, Ravageur calls $134

Final Pot: $454
Hero shows:
Ravageur shows:

Ravageur wins $451 ( won +$225 )
Hero lost -$226.00

Yeah in hand 2 i think it was a mix of 'he probably has air here so no point in raising' which is obviously super flawed combined with feeling bad that i sucked out on you again and secretly not wanting your whole stack

Originally Posted by Ravageur

Yeah in hand 2 i think it was a mix of 'he probably has air here so no point in raising' which is obviously super flawed combined with feeling bad that i sucked out on you again and secretly not wanting your whole stack

heh... it would have gone like this:

I bet
you shove all-in
I type to you on another table: "omgggg.. did you just river me?? #$#$#@"
"unreal"
I fold

Though maybe me b/f in this spot and not b/c is flawed in itself? Not sure, I can have a 7x as much as you can in this particular spot I feel like. In fact, I think you might c/r OESD on flop a good % (maybe?) so I might even show up with more 7x on this river than you.

Thanks for looking out for me though! appreciated

Here are some position stats for the month. It's hard for me to tell how much I "should" expect to be losing from the blinds. Interesting to note that my AF by position decreases pretty much from SB to Button... perhaps that is normal?

Button is doing well at least!

seems like if you fold everything in the BB or SB you'll have +20K months EZ

OMG :Ad::As I FOLD

Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer

seems like if you fold everything in the BB or SB you'll have +20K months EZ

haha yah thats how it would appear at first glance! I wish that was the case.

If we assume that my average game is 2/5, so just using the small blind as an example. Each SB is $2, and I have around 7k hands in the SB, so thats $14k lost if I fold all SB's! (and similarly around $35k lost in the BB yikes)

Booo to that plan not working.

What are other ppl's bb/100 in the blinds?

Over the past 100k hands, i'm running at -18bb/100 out of the BB and only -1bb/100 out of the SB. I imagine that's because i'm defending my BB by just calling a lot more whereas i'm repopping out of the SB more of the time.

Also note i've run pretty good over this sample so I imagine it would usually be a bit more in the negative.

Originally Posted by Ravageur

Over the past 100k hands, i'm running at -18bb/100 out of the BB and only -1bb/100 out of the SB. I imagine that's because i'm defending my BB by just calling a lot more whereas i'm repopping out of the SB more of the time.

Also note i've run pretty good over this sample so I imagine it would usually be a bit more in the negative.

Hmmm interesting. I filtered out any HU hands.. cause they skew the results. Did you filter out any HU?

So yah for anyone checking these stats, they should def filter out HU. If I keep HU in, my BB numbers are even more bruuutal and SB numbers are much better.

good point. With it filtered out, sb is -4.25bb and BB -20.5 bbs. SB agg factor is 4 and BB agg is 2.56.

The genitruc/ravageur family ownsssss my life in coolers! well moreso genitruc today! I like to rotate between the two from one day to the next.. for variety.

But that's ok, had a good day today, up around 3k.

Up around 7k for month, so with rakeback I'm probably just about at my monthly goal.

Soooo I can either book it for the month and just coast to the wins.. or play more and risk losing the bets but also win more... hmmm what to do.. what to do...

Oh and in other news, today was my first day in ages... that my "non-showdown winnings" were negative..... anddd this also happens to be my biggest winning day in a while. hmmm coincidence?? probably not.. death to "non-showdown" winnings.

Month is winding down, and I've been up the last couple days so with RB for the month I made the 10k mark!

Its nothing too crazy, but little things for now. Ship the up month finallllllly.

Ship the bets! Well I think I'm gonna break even into two of my bets (with kmind? right.....you reach your goal too? , and another guy on my site). Buttt I finally beat Alex in a bet, though he hardly played this month really. But I'll take it!

I'm gonna take tomorrow off and just book the win.. don't need to have some disaster tilt session and lose my bets too. Playing it safe!

keep it going

also if you can keep having winning months while running like dirt vs me that'd be nice as well

KEEP PLAYING AND START LOSING IMO!!

and yes, I should be cleared with my portion of the bet too (CONGRATS!!)

stop spewing already!

I haven't posted in a while. The month is going ok so far. Nothing too crazy good or too crazy bad.

Every session as of late is a battle with ravageur. It used to be alexos.. but now alexos is mad baller now. So now Ravageur has taken alexos' place at owning my life... though he owns me in more of a tilting suckout/luckbox kinda way!

here are some hands from this session against Ravageur:

Hand 1:
-flop: OMGGG I finally spiked!! and flush redraw too
-turn: sweet.. don't need the two pair.. but its nice anyhow
-river: ZOMGG

$2/$5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($425.00)
UTG+1 ($177.53)
Hero (CO) ($1498.53)
BTN ($625.00)
SB ($778.45)
BB ($535.00)

Pre-flop: ($7, 6 players) Hero is CO
2 folds, Hero raises to $17, 2 folds, BB raises to $54, Hero raises to $122, BB raises to $535, Hero calls $413

Flop: ($1,072, 2 players)

Turn: ($1,072, 2 players)

River: ($1,072, 2 players)

Final Pot: $1,072
Hero shows:
BB shows:

BB wins $1,069 ( won +$534 )
Hero lost -$535.00

The next two hands are at 5/10 pounds

Hand 2:
-preflop: ok he gives me no respect.. os obviously he's calling my 3bet
-flop: money flop... dry as hell too
-flop: wtf.. he's min raising me?.. if you have 444 or 777 good game to you
-flop: zomgggg A4

$5/$10 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($4632.25)
UTG+1 ($1665.00)
CO ($1392.00)
BTN ($1040.00)
SB ($966.00)
Hero (BB) ($1158.00)

Pre-flop: ($15, 6 players) Hero is BB
3 folds, BTN raises to $35, 1 fold, Hero raises to $130, BTN calls $95

Flop: ($265, 2 players)
Hero bets $170, BTN raises to $340, Hero raises to $1,028, BTN calls $570

Turn: ($2,203, 2 players)

River: ($2,203, 2 players)

Final Pot: $2,203
BTN shows:
Hero shows:

BTN wins $2,082 ( won +$1,042 )
Hero wins $118 ( lost -$1,040 )


Hand 3
-The only way I can win a hand is if it DOES N'T go to showdown vs ravageur
-This hand is mega deep at 5/10 pounds
-preflop: Ohhh.. you wanna 3bet me.. OOP... THISSS deep? ok fine.. but you're gonna pay for that...
-flop: floaty floats
-turn: ginnn for floaty floats
-river: this is where you payyyyyy foor your deep OOP 3bet. Position ownss

$5/$10 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($2731.50)
CO ($3329.80)
Hero (BTN) ($2654.00)
SB ($2910.00)
BB ($1000.00)

Pre-flop: ($15, 5 players) Hero is BTN
1 fold, CO calls $10, Hero raises to $40, SB raises to $171, 1 fold, CO folds, Hero calls $131

Flop: ($362, 2 players)
SB bets $161, Hero calls $161

Turn: ($684, 2 players)
SB bets $272, Hero raises to $625, SB calls $353

River: ($1,934, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $950, SB folds

Final Pot: $2,884

Hero wins $2,881 ( won +$974 )
CO lost -$10.00
SB lost -$957.00

Yeah I play like a fish vs u and run good. Nh with k9 I had QQ wiwht qh and should've raised more PF and c/called turn i guess.

Anyway i should get my own blog so i don't keep hijacking yours but at least you didn't recover from a 20k downswing then proceed to lose another 10k at 10/20 in 1 hour! So you still beat me at the internet pokerz

Originally Posted by Ravageur

Yeah I play like a fish vs u and run good. Nh with k9 I had QQ wiwht qh and should've raised more PF and c/called turn i guess.

Anyway i should get my own blog so i don't keep hijacking yours but at least you didn't recover from a 20k downswing then proceed to lose another 10k at 10/20 in 1 hour! So you still beat me at the internet pokerz

Yah I definitely like a turn c/c in the QQ hand. Even c/f isn't too terrible this deep, when you can have a big river headache.

yah damn your downswing sucks, I hope you recover man.. and yesss make a blog!

So I dropped down to 100nl a few days ago.

Ok well not really, but I tried depositing 6k onto pokerstars and they said I have a $600 max deposit.. whattt. (though I soon after realized that that is prob a daily deposit limit.. so I could just deposit 600 a day but thats annoying)

So I decided to grind 100nl for a bit. been going alright so far (100nl on $600 stars roll... shippppp the BR management)

Got my roll up to around 1.1k now... so time to move up to 200nl imo!

100nl -> 1knl in 30 days!

Well the year is winding down. I'm just about to head into downtown T.O for a new years club night but thought I'd write in here first.

Lookin back on the year its been a craaaazy up and down swingy struggle of running bad and playing bad. Lots of leak fixing, and changing styles.

Buuuut finally things seem to have calmed down. The last couple months have been ok. Nothing too balla like nutsinho or alexos, but slowly finding some consistency.

Last month up 10k on not that many hands and this month another 10k with half as many. So at this rate I can feel confident in saying that this 100k blog will FINALLY die next month <crosses fingers>

Here's to 2009, a year with more consistent solid poker! (and more folding)

Happy New Year everyone!

I haven't posted in a pretty long time!

I feel like I'm at one of those important turning points again.

The goal of this thread was to get my roll to 100k. I've been playing pretty well the last several months, and as of yesterday morning's session I was at 99.4k. GAH so close! I played another session and dropped 2k, and then another session yesterday and back up to 99.3k! So close again.

Then... I'm sitting pretty for the day till Alexos tells me the games are good so I put in an evening session (blames Alexos), and I get completely demolished by variance. I probably had it coming a bit, but not all at once I don't think. I went down 7k in that session.

This was the sickest hand of the session by far, and was at 5/10 pounds which makes it worse. Was also one of the last hands of the session where I decided.. wow this isn't gonna end pretty if I keep playing.


$5/$10 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero (UTG) ($1129.00)
UTG+1 ($400.00)
CO ($316.25)
BTN ($1361.00)
SB ($1476.50)
BB ($2615.00)

Pre-flop: ($15, 6 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $30, 1 fold, CO calls $30, BTN calls $30, SB calls $25, BB calls $20

Flop: ($150, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $89, SB calls $89, BB folds, Hero raises to $299, CO folds, BTN calls $210, SB calls $210

Turn: ($1,047, 3 players)
SB bets $271, Hero calls $271, BTN calls $271

River: ($1,860, 3 players)
SB bets $876.50, Hero calls $529, BTN calls $761

Final Pot: $4,026.50
Hero shows:
BTN shows:
SB shows:

BTN wins $3,908 ( won +$2,547 )
SB wins $115.50 ( lost -$1,361 )
BB lost -$30
Hero lost -$1,129
CO lost -$30

Current BR: 92.1k

In the past, this is where bad things like self destruct would happen, so I can't let that be the case! I was soooo close to 100k yesterday, so gotta stay focused.

100k this month!

GL man, an easy cheat could be to drop down a level and just grind over the figure.

crazy to see you came last on that hand.

I've been reading through this thread and its so inspirational to me. To see and read your ups and downs and watch you climb to your goal is great. Your almost there!!! I'm rooting for you!!!!!

Thanks for the supprt guys!

I was playing amazing today. On a huuuge roll, and was up around $6-7k for the session.

Then I lost at 5/10 pounds, top set of Kings on Kx6h8h board to QhJh, all in on flop. That's fine.. standard I can deal!

Thennn I played the biggest pot of my life against Ravageur. My biggest pot ever (or close to it), and my biggest loss ever.

I posted about it in high stakes:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ur-t80870.html

Ive been talking to a few ppl about that hand. Some say its a stackoff for sure, and others say it could be a close fold. I'm not entirely sure really.

In any case, despite ending the session on a $5k downswing in two hands, I'm still up 1k, so I guess thats something!

I am your biggest fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep at it!!!!!!

Thx for the quick rail last night man, yay $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Ill post a few spots in my blog thread at some stage 2day.