Self Discipline and Me

This is the third operation thread I've started in as many months and will be my last at least for the next six or so months. I'm going to keep this one simple and not get too deep - it's more a way of tracking progress as much as anything else.

The one factor that has sapped any progress out of my game and bankroll in the 3 months I've been playing is self-discipline. Both in terms of bankroll management and while in the hand.

So the main aim of this operation is to develop self discipline. I've been reading up on the subject of self discipline lately and they say it's like a muscle that needs to be excercised to get stronger. So every day I'll make an effort away from the table to excercise it and then hopefully when I'm playing it will be there to support my game.

The second goal of the operation is to make $5,000 profit. If I can do that then I will have proved to myself I have developed good discipline, because I'll only be playing within good BR guidelines.

If I end up donking my bankroll before the end of the operation, I'm taking a forced 6 month break from poker as it will have proved to me that I'm not emotionally developed enough to succeed with my current mind/circumstance set.

I'm going to deposit $180 tomorrow and play $13 and below SNGS, this is below the reccomended BR guidelines I know, but I can top up in a week if need be, so the 180 isn't my whole bankroll. Going forward I will not play any higher buy in tournaments until I have at least 30 bi's.

I'll aim to update every 1 or 2 days! Cheers! Slevin out.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

This is the third operation thread I've started in as many months and will be my last at least for the next six or so months. I'm going to keep this one simple and not get too deep - it's more a way of tracking progress as much as anything else.

The one factor that has sapped any progress out of my game and bankroll in the 3 months I've been playing is self-discipline. Both in terms of bankroll management and while in the hand.

So the main aim of this operation is to develop self discipline. I've been reading up on the subject of self discipline lately and they say it's like a muscle that needs to be excercised to get stronger. So every day I'll make an effort away from the table to excercise it and then hopefully when I'm playing it will be there to support my game.

The second goal of the operation is to make $5,000 profit. If I can do that then I will have proved to myself I have developed good discipline, because I'll only be playing within good BR guidelines.

If I end up donking my bankroll before the end of the operation, I'm taking a forced 6 month break from poker as it will have proved to me that I'm not emotionally developed enough to succeed with my current mind/circumstance set.

I'm going to deposit $180 tomorrow and play $13 and below SNGS, this is below the reccomended BR guidelines I know, but I can top up in a week if need be, so the 180 isn't my whole bankroll. Going forward I will not play any higher buy in tournaments until I have at least 30 bi's.

I'll aim to update every 1 or 2 days! Cheers! Slevin out.

You already failed so you may as well take that break now. Just quit

well the 180 isn't my bankroll jyms i thought i said that?

dont be so evil, this is a win-win for the ftr community, either I develop the discipline here - and become a ftr success or don't play again for six months - in which case the boards won't have my hollow words scattered accross their surfaces!

we salute you

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

If I end up donking my bankroll before the end of the operation, I'm taking a forced 6 month break from poker

I'm betting 100$ against that happening. Anyone wants to book that?

Slevin, you realize that it isn't all about being rolled for a specific buyin right? You have to have the ability to beat that level also. And at this time you do not have the ability to beat $13 SNGs yet (And probably not the ability to beat $1 SNGs yet. I'm sorry, but it's the truth). Therefore, I'm sorry to be the one to break this to you, but you will be taking a 6 month break really soon if you continue with this plan.

I beg to differ on the skill front but time will tell. If my results prove you right I will of course humbly accept that you knew better than me, I don't think that will be happening though.

If I play a game outside of the criteria above then rest assured I will be the first to admit I have no chance of future success in poker.

And although I find it incredibally hard to remain disciplined in a game, I am a man of my word - so rest assured, I'll be keeping my abstinence promise if I fail! Cheers

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I beg to differ on the skill front but time will tell. If my results prove you right I will of course humbly accept that you knew better than me, I don't think that will be happening though.

Have your results not already proved that I'm right here? I do believe they have. SNGs with a buyin of $10 play pretty mechanical if I remember correctly. In late game SNGs there is generally a clearly +ev move to make, and the good regs will make those moves, and win in the long run. Can you identify those spots? I know you can't. If you could then you would be a winner. But your not. If you must do this "your way", however much turmoil it will cause you, then I suggest you maybe decide on $5.50 SNGs on stars, as it is a bit softer than the $11 SNGs (and I'm guessing the $13s as well).

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Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I'm betting 100$ against that happening. Anyone wants to book that?

Even if you offered 10:1 you wouldn't get takers.

I'll take that bet from any one regular at even money, upto 100$. Just to clarify by donk I don't mean lose my bankroll I mean be a degenerate and lose - so in other words the bet would be that I would not BI to a game that I didn't have 30 bi's for from the bankroll in my stars account, except for the first phase in which I'm allowed to buy in to 13$ + table/tournament rake.

The bet would stand until I reach 5k of profit, i'm quite happy to put my money where my mouth is on this one. I haven't been here that long but I think Ragnar will attest to me being genuine where my word is concerned (obvious recent poker degeneracy aside). So the bet's there if anyone really wants it

Slevin, you were just too busy making bets (ldo) and forgot to comment on how you feel you have the ability to beat $13 SNGs, when your results state otherwise.

I'm not seeking attention. I'm starting an operation. Someone offerered a bet, I said I'd accept it. It's a simple as that.I'm not replying to any negative posts in this thread in future, the reason being I am not going to allow anyone to derail my operation thread like it was last time I created one. Cheers. I'm posting to track my own progress for me, and so I can benefit from people like Kmind, Daven, Dozer, Chardrian, Bjaust,Courtibie, wilburforce, erpel, triptanes,fat-b,deanglow and a500bgorilla that actually offer meaningful advice and do not have the ulterior purpose of constantly putting other people down in an attempt to make themselves feel better.

Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

Slevin, you were just too busy making bets (ldo) and forgot to comment on how you feel you have the ability to beat $13 SNGs, when your results state otherwise.

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Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I'm not replying to any good advice or questions that might make me think in this thread in future.

Fixed your post.

Slev, I'm not trying to bag on you here (at least not yet). I'm simply taking FACTS, and adding them together.

Fact 1: You are a losing poker player. I'm not saying you will always be, or that it is because you are retarded or anything or that nature. I'm just stating a fact, and it is that you have lost money to this date playing poker.

Fact 2: You do not have the ability to beat $13 SNGs at this time. I'm not saying you never will, but at this time you DO NOT. You haven't sustained a profit for any significant period at lower SNGs; therefore, why in the world would you believe you could do this at higher buyin SNG?

Fact 3: You have shitty self-discipline. Yes, I have no life, and looked at your other blog (non-ftr blog). There are excerpts from 9/24 talking about "Still staying self-disciplined!", etc. Well either saturday or friday I saw you playing on stars. I guess you were "taking your shot" because you played a $25ish MTT, some $38ish SNGs, and a $78ish SNG, among other things. That is nowhere near self-discipline. And please don't talk about how you won a little money before losing it all, cuz that's called positive variance, and it happens to even the worst of players.

Fact 4: You state you want to do this right, yet you haven't even started and you have already managed to abandon BR management. Do you not see how you have already FAILED at having enough willpower to do what you have set out to do? You should be able to see this.. Because it's very apparent everyone else on this site sees it.

Fact 5: You will go busto, and be taking your break very soon if you stick with this plan. There are players who frequent the SNG forums, posting hand histories, tournies, etc, and a few have a rough time at $10+ SNGs.

Just letting you know now, because chances are I won't be seeing ya for 6 or so months.

Said it already. Positive variance, and any ole' donk gets it. Need I say more?

wow you're a really nice piece of work aren't you.

Just couldn't believe you left me with such an easy opening. And I was even trying to refrain from bringing the sharkscope graphaments into this. But honestly, help me figure little question out.

If a Breakeven player makes no money, and a winning player makes money, then a player who loses money is considered what?

I believe your intelligent enough to get the answer to that question correct. And yes at this time you are a proven loser at poker. Listen, and learn, and maybe that won't be the case. Neglect to do those two things, and guess what?? Same story, different day.

I have already said in my first post that I know why I am a losing player, it is because I lack self discipline. You questioned my playing abilities from a strategy point of view, and I obliged by showing you a ream of sngs I cashed in over the period of one day, they were not hand picked, that was the last day I played poker. The shark stats are a sample over the past 3 months. Back then my strategy was excessivley wanting. Now BR aside it is not, although far from perfect, it is strong enough to give me the edge over the average players at these the 13$ stakes. That is my belief, like I said time will tell I guess.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

wow you're a really nice piece of work aren't you.

You're down $200 over your last 25ish hands.

Yeah that's what happens when you lack self discipline and enter 80$ sng's with a 200$ BR I'm afraid.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

Yeah that's what happens when you lack self discipline and enter 80$ sng's with a 200$ BR I'm afraid.

I don't doubt that BR management issues, and tilt played a part in those losses noted on the Sharkscope graphs. But your crazy if you believe you have the "strategy" to beat those games now.

No Limit Holdem Tournament
$35+$3
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG bubby33 (1400)
UTG+1 BlackTieAHi (1310)
CO Stainley88 (1510)
BTN WpgJ (1560)
SB dlkbj1 (1650)
BB LkySlev1n (1570)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-flop: (30, 6 players)
1 fold, BlackTieAHi calls 20, 1 fold, WpgJ raises to 80, 1 fold, LkySlev1n calls 60, BlackTieAHi folds

Flop: (190, 2 players)
LkySlev1n checks, WpgJ bets 100, LkySlev1n raises to 220, WpgJ goes all-in 1480, LkySlev1n calls 1260

Turn: (3150, 2 players)

River: (3150, 2 players)

Final Pot: 3150
LkySlev1n shows:
WpgJ shows:

WpgJ wins 3150 ( won +1590 )
LkySlev1n lost -1560
BlackTieAHi lost -20


$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG dR_tactics ($2.65)
UTG+1 botb2 ($12.35)
CO LkySlev1n ($18.65)
BTN Andy Kay 26 ($5.95)
SB MMA HerRo1 ($10.55)
BB prodc1982 ($9.75)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 6 players)
2 folds, LkySlev1n calls $0.10, Andy Kay 26 raises to $0.30, MMA HerRo1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, LkySlev1n calls $0.20

Flop: ($1, 3 players)
MMA HerRo1 checks, LkySlev1n bets $2, Andy Kay 26 raises to $4, MMA HerRo1 folds, LkySlev1n goes all-in $18.35, Andy Kay 26 goes all-in $1.65

Turn: ($25, 2 players)

River: ($25, 2 players)

Final Pot: $12.30
Andy Kay 26 shows:
LkySlev1n shows:

Andy Kay 26 wins $11.70 ( won +$5.75 )
LkySlev1n wins $12.70 ( lost -$5.95 )
MMA HerRo1 lost -$0.30



Still like being "unpredictable" I see. You must first realize you have alot to learn, before you ever start to actually learn.

[edit] - And don't say you knew you were ahead on that first hand. You shouldn't have seen the flop, and even then you shouldn't have stacked off. Both go against sound SNG strategy.

I dont' care you're not going to change my mind stacks, you are one of two people on ftr that I do not value at all what they say, so I really don't know why you continue to post in my threads, and hound/rail all my ps games.

I'm confident I can own 13$ sng's. I'm seeing this operation through to it's end with or without your support, but thanks for posting.

That's fine. Do what you wish. Just can I get in on some of these SNGs, and cash games you intend to be playing??

Sure I want to focus on the operation for now, but i'll be happy to play you on a cash table soon, with whatever buy in my bankroll allows for, the next time i'm playing on a cash table I'll let you know (it will be within 2 weeks).

Shit... Forgot this one... It's classic.


No Limit Holdem Tournament
$6.00+$0.50
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG LkySlev1n (1220)
UTG+1 maloyd (1030)
CO KWORTERZ (1430)
BTN john2012 (1480)
SB trancos221 (2060)
BB SmallGiant7 (1780)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-flop: (30, 6 players)
LkySlev1n says "I dont talk when I'm playing mate some other time.", LkySlev1n calls 20, 2 folds, john2012 calls 20, 1 fold, SmallGiant7 raises to 80, LkySlev1n calls 60, john2012 calls 60

Flop: (250, 3 players)
SmallGiant7 checks, LkySlev1n bets 160, john2012 folds, SmallGiant7 calls 160

Turn: (570, 2 players)
SmallGiant7 checks, LkySlev1n goes all-in 980, SmallGiant7 calls 980

River: (2530, 2 players)

Final Pot: 2530
SmallGiant7 shows:
LkySlev1n shows:

SmallGiant7 wins 2530 ( won +1310 )
LkySlev1n lost -1220
john2012 lost -80

Can you please stop posting nonsense in my operation thread? - that is a genuine request, I would appreciate it. Thanks.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I dont' care you're not going to change my mind stacks, you are one of two people on ftr that I do not value at all what they say, so I really don't know why you continue to post in my threads, and hound/rail all my ps games.

I'm confident I can own 13$ sng's. I'm seeing this operation through to it's end with or without your support, but thanks for posting.

You don't have to listen to me telling you that you suck. Or even Muzz (obviously the other individual). You can just look at your other operation threads, hand histories you have posted, every individual you have come into contact with throughout your life (harsh i know), and they will tell you the same thing.

Oh and LOL @ the second bold part. In all seriousness, quit poker, and either become a writer (cuz you have the imagination.. Example: I will win 100k in two years), or a comedian. You will excel at either of those easily. Poker....not so much.

I have an English and American Lit. degree and have considered becoming an author previously. Who knows I may one day if I don't make it at poker. For now my attention is squarely on my poker.

I don't know why I'm bothering but I will try to point out the futility of your posts. I've already said I don't value what you say so if you're trying to wind me up or put me off (which is the only motiviation I can think one would have to constantly stalk me and my operations like you do - posting negative comment after negative comment) then you are wasting your time. The reason being that for one to be hurt or offended by a comment that someone makes, they have to ascribe value to the judgement of the individual making the negative comment. I ascribe no value to you and therefore none to your comments.

If you are genuinely trying to be constructive but just have very poor communication skills then I might suggest you think a little more about both the content and presentation of your posts.

If you are posting in an attempt to massage your ego then I'd suggest you direct your energies at improving your life instead of wasting them writing futile posts.

Anyway that really is the last interaction you will have from me Stacks, I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but enough is enough. I'm not wasting any more of my time on you. Post if you want or don't I do not mind. But please bear in mind that any negative posts or condescending remarks will just be ignored, so it really will be a waste of your time. Cheers.

My best suggestion on the self-discipline front would be to stop reloading and set aside a small amount as your bankroll without adding anymore to it. Ideally it would be about 30 BIs to whatever level SNGs you've decided to play. This creates accountability, which helps. It also creates an urgency not to spew randomly since you can't just reload if you blow all of your money. In contrast, if you assume your bankroll is however much you can put into it, then you've already torn through a bankroll of over $1000.

My best suggestion on the skill front would be to stop making elaborate bluffs, and try to articulate in this thread what skills you bring to the table that would allow you to be +EV in $13 SNGs.

In any case, good luck.

Thanks for the advice spoon, I can see your point.

Taking on board what you've said I'm going to change tact and enter the 6$ sngs until I have $750 and then move up to the $25 sng's with 30 BI's.

epic

GL.

and what Spoon said.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

Thanks for the advice spoon, I can see your point.

Taking on board what you've said I'm going to change tact and enter the 6$ sngs until I have $750 and then move up to the $25 sng's with 30 BI's.

wow.

ummm i genuinely wish you good luck. Please don't move up, the lower games are easiest to beat I promise you.

I don't doubt that you have an English degree, as you seem to do fairly well with articulating your ideas/beliefs. However, your writing isn't your problem. It's your reading/listening skills that need to be worked on.

You don't have to assign any value to my posts, and I honestly don't expect you to, as I haven't approached you in the most wonderful of manners. However, at the current time I assign no faith in you as an individual who can set a goal and achieve that goal. You have proven this multiple times, while the advice I have given you has yet to be proven incorrect by any source other than yourself.

To be completely honest, I don't really give a shit whether you fail or not. At one time I was on the bandwagon trying to get you on the right track to winning money. However, your ignorance, and inability to listen and learn from your mistakes, has derailed that course of action. If you fail, it will be no ones fault but your own, as many individuals have tried countless times to help you and you have yet to take any advice to heart and realize your faults. If you succeed, then that's also fine with me. If you think that I will be impressed and that you will have "shown me up", then you are far from accurate. And if you do turn around this currently disastrous dream that is your poker "career", then you will have deserved it because you have put up with more than a lot of individuals have. And based on your current skill set, and the skill set you need to become a winning player, you will have obviously put in a sufficient amount of work if you ever become a winning player.

I have noted numerous times that I have no need to massage my ego, or believe that I am any better than I am. This is one of the major differences between us. You believe you are better than you are, and because of this you fail to listen to others who are have proven they are better than you. And because of this you have had horrible results and are a losing player. I, on the other hand, realize I still have a shitload of work to put in before I can consider myself good. I work hard, and listen well. It's because of this I am in the green, and nothing else.

You obviously don't have to interact with me ever again. That's fine with me. My bankroll will be a little lighter, but I will get over it. But I will continue to follow this thread, posting when I see fit even if it busts your balls until either you get on the right track or take your 6 month break. You truly have my messages confused if you believe I am only doing what I am doing because I want you to feel bad. That isn't the cause. It's because your main problem is failing to listen, and believing you are better than you are. By posting your graph, and hands played, I hope it breaks you down to a humble state, so then you can rebuild and become a winner.

Take it for what you will.

gl op.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

My best suggestion on the self-discipline front would be to stop reloading and set aside a small amount as your bankroll without adding anymore to it. Ideally it would be about 30 BIs to whatever level SNGs you've decided to play. This creates accountability, which helps. It also creates an urgency not to spew randomly since you can't just reload if you blow all of your money. In contrast, if you assume your bankroll is however much you can put into it, then you've already torn through a bankroll of over $1000.

My best suggestion on the skill front would be to stop making elaborate bluffs, and try to articulate in this thread what skills you bring to the table that would allow you to be +EV in $13 SNGs.

In any case, good luck.

this is good advice. Follow it. And read stacks' last post as what it is - genuine and not out to hate anyone.
Best of luck - I thought you were going to be playing cash, but i guess you changed your mind

Thanks guys yeah I was but I have changed some strategy recently and seem to be doing a bit better in the SNGs I guess I'll find out today if that was just variance or not

Well day one session one is about to start so I'll post back later tonight with the results. For now I think I'll four table and move up to more later if I can sustain a decent ROI.

Welcome back Slev Missed You! 25 posts from you to read this morning with coffee Woohoo.

When you become famous, the best poker player the world has known, I hope you'll write a book and autograph it for me. I hope this is the time you don't mess up, I know you'll make it past this obstacle, I have total faith. I just hope this time is the time.

Keep your eye on the prize, you're better than everyone, you just have to somehow get past this little tiny self-disipline thing then everyone will have to admit they were wrong... Go Go Slevin!

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

Can you please stop posting nonsense in my operation thread? - that is a genuine request, I would appreciate it. Thanks.

Posting hands you played excruciatingly badly is hardly posting nonsense. The sad thing is, it is you that should be posting those hands - which you were advised to do and which you said you would do but, alas, did not do, yet another broken commitment on your part. Once again, you are entirely focused on results and not on the process of learning how to achieve those results, which means the results you desire will likely continue to elude you.

Originally Posted by Warpe

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

Can you please stop posting nonsense in my operation thread? - that is a genuine request, I would appreciate it. Thanks.

Posting hands you played excruciatingly badly is hardly posting nonsense. The sad thing is, it is you that should be posting those hands - which you were advised to do and which you said you would do but, alas, did not do, yet another broken commitment on your part. Once again, you are entirely focused on results and not on the process of learning how to achieve those results, which means the results you desire will likely continue to elude you.

dude.... do you have any idea how hard it is to learn... it is... hard

Originally Posted by wellrounded08

blah blah blah flame flame flame...

OP split and sent to recycle bin. PM Xianti if u wanna complain.

Good luck slevin!

Listen to spoon & co. I don't mean just read their words and agree with them...I mean internalize their messages.

Remember to always keep your ego in check. Pretty much every donk in the world thinks they're good at this game. The more and more I learn about it, the more I realize that I'm not half as good as I think.

Also, don't play after drinking. The sauce is the antithesis to discipline.

Not been a great start to the operation im down half my bankroll have ebbed and flowed but at least i've remained disiciplined and not entered anything about 6$, all been sngs apart from two mtts for some variety, and the ftr game later today.

This 5k could take some time. Going to go down to 3$ now as I'm too underolled for the 6$ with the 87 odd $ that's left of my bankroll.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

This 5k could take some time.

This is the first intelligent thing you've said about poker.

Congrats on taking a step

Yeah back to the drawing board I think! Operation over but I didn't donk my roll - I played within the limits I set just didn't win much. 8 tabling was a bit of a bad idea with hindsight the bankroll dissapeared kind of fast, I followed what I thought was pretty sound stratgegy but it must have been a bit less sound than I thought. Grinding out a bankroll isn't for me at the moment.

Well for the next month or two i'm going to be a recreational player, just deposit some money and play in a couple of tournaments. The pro idea will need to take a back seat for a bit it just seems to be an endless consumer of money at the moment. Cheers for the comments they have helped I'll be looking over them over the coming months.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

Yeah back to the drawing board I think! Operation over but I didn't donk my roll - I played within the limits I set just didn't win much. 8 tabling was a bit of a bad idea with hindsight the bankroll dissapeared kind of fast, I followed what I thought was pretty sound stratgegy but it must have been a bit less sound than I thought. Grinding out a bankroll isn't for me at the moment.

Well for the next month or two i'm going to be a recreational player, just deposit some money and play in a couple of tournaments. The pro idea will need to take a back seat for a bit it just seems to be an endless consumer of money at the moment. Cheers for the comments they have helped I'll be looking over them over the coming months.

That's certainly one possibility.

Another would be to take some of that recreational income and invest it in a tool like SNGWizard or whatever the current popular program is to teach you sound SNG push/fold strategy. The effect is that you will be making your money work for you, and it wouldn't take long to see a result since from my understanding the learning curve for beating SNGs isn't very tough.

In any event, that's my best suggestion. Good luck.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

Well for the next month or two i'm going to be a recreational player

This made me lol

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

, I followed what I thought was pretty sound stratgegy but it must have been a bit less sound than I thought.

ok. Obviously your strategy is flawed. The hands posted above suggest that this is the case. Poker is about discipline. Discipline is about bankroll management and folding.

IF you want to get better:
Look at the trimmed tournaments that have been posted in the sng forum. Imagine what you would do in each hand. Chances are you wouldn't be folding enough....

Did you watch my video on low stakes STTs in the videos section? Strategy for these things doesnt need to be much:

Dont bluff until you're in P/F mode.
Play good P/F poker when you're down to 10bbs.

Looking at the hands other people posted, the best thing you could do for your game is to remove bluffing from it entirely until you're in P/F mode.

I'd also highly recommend you dont play any more than 2 tables at a time until you're a winning player for a period of a month.

Spoons suggestion of investing in SnGWiz is also a good one. Thats what it is, an investment that you expect to return positive results. SnGs are about Push/Fold (P/F) poker. Under $10 (and probably above), you could probably show positive ROI just by folding everything under KK until you've blinded down to P/F mode (not a suggestion, just an example of how key understanding push/fold is to SnGs).

are you kidding me??You busted in One day? Do you even know what AA looks like?

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

Can you please stop posting nonsense in my operation thread? - that is a genuine request, I would appreciate it. Thanks.

The first step in self-discipline is to accept your flaws. Stacks posted a lot of problem hands you've faced, but you didn't acknowledge it. This already showed how far your level of self-discipline would take you.

gl op

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

The pro idea will need to take a back seat for a bit it just seems to be an endless consumer of money at the moment.

OMG! you don't actually have dreams of being a pro?

Originally Posted by jyms

are you kidding me??You busted in One day? Do you even know what AA looks like?

I'm actually surprised you're surprised...

Originally Posted by KillsAids

Originally Posted by jyms

are you kidding me??You busted in One day? Do you even know what AA looks like?

I'm actually surprised you're surprised...

I thought he would bust in one day because he would break his rules, he says he didn't. I'm at work so I can't take the time, but someone add up all those wins he posted with his BR and find out exactly how many games he played and lost then in one day? If he played within his pretend BR guidelines and won all those postings farther up then he must have lost a ton. And by ton I mean, he would have had to put in special effort to lose that many. Considering JGB can play with post it's over his cards and destroy the table, looking at your cards has to be easier, no?

[ ] played within his limits

Originally Posted by jyms

OMG! you don't actually have dreams of being a pro?

Clearly, you haven't kept up with his blog, detailing his journey to become the "greatest poker player the world has ever known". Duh!

OMG I'm so glad my man is back. And damn the moderator that locked the last one.

Slev1in is the shit. Thanks for the link Muzzard, I would never have seen it.

You go lucky!!! Prove them all wrong you crazy cowboy you!!!

slevin - if something is not working for you, change it.

The 38$ tournaments were entered after I had finished my op, hence them being the last two tournaments played. they were the recreational tournamnents as stackx will testify who railed a few of my games that day.

Thanks everyone for your words they are nice and encouraging. I surely have alot to learn. I am throwing everything I thought I knew out of the window and starting again.

My strategy was basically this: -

Raise and be prepared to go all in with AA KK QQ AK, from any position. If QQ be cautious if faising more than one re raise,or a re-raise and caller.

Limp all PP's < 10,10, and throw them away if they don't flop a set on the flop. (or just check it down). Unless the post flop bet is very small in which case maybe call or go over the top with a sensible raise.

Raise 10,10, jj - and if it' an over to the board call a flop bet, otherwise bet and check fourth and the river.

If someones bluffing alot and I have position on them 2bet their flop bet with any two cards. fold if they 3bet.

Later in SNGs - push fold, open the ranges. Push alot more early hands taking into consideration chip stacks.

Early on hardly ever play suited connectors unless 9,10+ - and then with caution (as I can find it hard to put them down if top pair hits sometimes.) Play A-X suited in a multiway limped pot, and perhaps with one 3/4 bb raise early on, with a couple of callers - but not facing a big raise.

This has basically been my strategy but it doesn't seem to be a winning one. So as I say i'm throwing it away and starting again. Will do nothing but read and watch / play free rolls for a week and then make a small deposit and try to play with what i've learnt.

Thank again all the +ve people out there that take the time to read my op thread

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

If someones bluffing alot and I have position on them 2bet their flop bet with any two cards. fold if they 3bet.

I think your better off not doing that yet. Just start over fresh and follow a more nitty guideline, loosening up as blinds get higher. Depending on what blind level it is, raising with air on flop could turn out to be very expensive. I think your overthinking what it requires to beat the $6. Ur idea is correct but it's just not worth doing things like that outta place at that level. Just play a taggy ABC game and more importantly, try to be consistent and you will crush that level.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

This has basically been my strategy but it doesn't seem to be a winning one. So as I say i'm throwing it away and starting again.

lol. Missed that part. Feel free to ignore my 1st post

*Note - this will be the last advice I will offer unless you prove you can accomplish this. Mainly because, while I almost already feel it's a waste of time (mainly because of your self-discipline), I'm not certain as you do have persistence on your side. I'm by no means stating this is the best advice you will find, but it is better than what you know right now, so get to it.

If you actually want to learn, and not just waste time, then you need to get to reading and understanding.. And start with a solid Bankroll Plan. Your bankroll plan isn't working and you know this. So change it. You do not have the skill set to beat the $13 SNGs, nor the $6 SNGs right now, as I'm sure you know now. And you said you don't want to risk a significant portion of cash anymore without knowing it's not just a waste, but an investment.

So therefore, I propose to you this. Deposit $50 on stars, and that is all. Never deposit again, unless you had to withdraw and you are replacing what you withdrew. Since you can "never" deposit again then this $50 isn't just "$50" anymore. This is an investment, that if cultivated can make you a lot of money in the future. And it's because this is an investment, you need to take the proper precautions to protect your roll. That obviously leads into playing with sufficient buyins for the level you wish to play. To do this correctly you should follow something similar to this:

- Play $1 SNGs till BR is $100. [will take a while, but you have a lot to learn]

- At $100 you can move to the $3.30 SNGs until the roll is >$150.

- At $150 BR, if you feel you have the skill set to beat the $5 SNGs then make the move, but be willing to drop down to the $3.30 SNGs if your roll drops to around $120 or so. However, you should have posted a few tourneys by now, and a lot of hands, so you should be sure if you can beat it or not (as indicated by other players advice).

- Play the $5 SNGs until you have around $500 or so, and sure you are a good SNG player, before moving to the $10 SNGs. As stated before, in $5 SNGs and below the play is rather soft, but above that level you begin to run into more and more good players who understand ICM (which you will need to learn soon).

- At this point you have accomplished a whole hell of alot. You will have increased your deposit ten-fold. If you choose to stick with SNGs, then go for it. If you choose to move to cash/MTTs, then you will have even more studying to do because they are different games and must be treated as such.

Here are some articles you should read before playing another SNG. And I don't mean read them once and that's it... Read each one of them until you understand it fully!!!

http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-art...aments-2426097

http://www.pocketfives.com/Poker-Strategy#15

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...re-t36043.html

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...aq-t15929.html

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...on-t50176.html

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...on-t50295.html

There ya go for now... Read and understand those before playing again, then follow the bankroll plan and you will do much better (and maybe win).

cheers will do, i found a wcoop ticket in my stars account by accident, clicked tickets never knew it was there. You're currently unable to use them in wcoop but can use them on PCA steps so i'm grinding my way up the pca steps atm - who knows i might be jetting off to the caribean some time soon !

In the meantime cheers for the links i'll checkthem out later tonight

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

but can use them on PCA steps so i'm grinding my way up the pca steps atm - who knows i might be jetting off to the caribean some time soon !

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

cheers will do, i found a wcoop ticket in my stars account by accident, clicked tickets never knew it was there. You're currently unable to use them in wcoop but can use them on PCA steps so i'm grinding my way up the pca steps atm - who knows i might be jetting off to the caribean some time soon !

In the meantime cheers for the links i'll checkthem out later tonight

can you convert this to $T and use the money to start grinding $1 sngs?

Thanks for the advice Daven just saw it, unfortunately I already lost (it was a 7$ ticket) but I did get to stage 2, which was 28$ ticket - but unfortunately didn't know about converting them,have to hold off on the cruise ship sunglasses for now. I'm just studying now for the next 7 days and not playing one hand. I'm also planning to incorporate more balance into my game in 7 days when I start again. I'll go swimming in the morning and play in the afternoon early evening. I'm looking forward to starting over with a new strategy foundation - I have the next 7 days more or less completely to myself so am going to invest the time wisely studying, something I should have done from the off - instead of reading for an hour or two here and there and then diving right in.

I'm now back at square one so to speak conceeding that I know nothing, but it's quite a nice stage to be at as things can only get better fromhere.

Cheers again for reading and commenting I appreciate it one and all.

all those following this thread, read the latest blog entry. I really think that you may have a chance this time lucky.

Okay that was fun for a day.

It's getting seriously PAINFUL again watching the regs try to help, making long thoughtful posts, and the response is always something like cheers for links, I'll check it out! blah blah free roll blah blah caribbean blah blah swimming blah blah never talking about poker itself blah blah only talking about hands and tourneys he won blah blah square one blah blah I found a leak - I'm not folding enough!!!! blah blah stop posting nonsense in my thread blah blah you're a piece of work blah blah.

You regs are so nice /bow. Stacks, I'm gonna go through all your links today and try to plug some leaks in my SNG game. Your time was not wasted there, thanks.

Meanwhile I'll keep giving Slev what he wants. Good luck Slev I know you'll make it! You're the best, keep at it, you will get there your own way I have faith! All you need is desire to be the greatest - and eventually it will come. Good luck on your new plan, I know you'll stick to it.

Sup, you got killed in werewolf.

=(

not really red - i've spoken to stacks out of ftr and he convinced me he had my best interests in mind with his derision hence the change in attitude, as for other regs i've always appreciated the input of anyone trying to help me.

Originally Posted by daven

all those following this thread, read the latest blog entry. I really think that you may have a chance this time lucky.

Thanks Daven I hope so, from the studying yesterday and today it's already becoming clear to me just how flawed my basic strategy was and why I was a losing player. Instead of looking to the next session with an air of desperation, thinking surely this time it will get good, I don't feel desperate any more. Just relieved that I've finally given myself half a chance at passing the starting line.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

Originally Posted by daven

all those following this thread, read the latest blog entry. I really think that you may have a chance this time lucky.

Thanks Daven I hope so, from the studying yesterday and today it's already becoming clear to me just how flawed my basic strategy was and why I was a losing player. Instead of looking to the next session with an air of desperation, thinking surely this time it will get good, I don't feel desperate any more. Just relieved that I've finally given myself half a chance at passing the starting line.

I'm sorry folks but really... Don't get sucked in again. You amuse the shit out of me Slev1n but if I had a 6 pence for all your epiphanies I wouldn't have to play poker as a part time job. I'm not even sure how much a 6 pence is worth but I'd have a lot of them dammit.

This will be the last I post in this thread but I'll keep reading and laughing.

You are bad poker player and you don't have the conviction to become a good poker player. It just isn't in your makeup.

I'm sorry but I don't think any reg ought to post until Slevin can go a month without breaking the rules of BR management. A MONTH I tell you. Because of the input from people on this site I turned $40 bucks into $1600. This took me 9 months of work, 9 months of BR management, 9 months of learning. For you folks to take up your time when you could be helping people that will value and respect your input enough to put it into practice is a waste.

Slevin, put up or shut the fuck up. Sorry Mods, as I said this will be the last time I post in this op.