Side Operation thread!! Omaha Only

[Da GOAT]

I played some PLO last night coz i was too tired too bored to play NL or do anything.

Anyway I found it alot of fun so I think ill make PLO my hobby away from grinding.

So what im gonna do is make this a PLO only thread so I can keep everything nice and compact here for my improvement. My experience is just a few CR vids and some advice from spenda,salsa,fnord and a few others in our own forum on FTR.

I hope this is gonna be alot of fun. Again this is my hobby so Im still playing alot of NL but may get in a few thousands or probably less hands per month.

Oh and forgot im gonna 4tbl 50PLO.

[bigspenda73]

Sweet, gl, and if you forget everything I ever said you're probably better off for it...

[Da GOAT]

No problem spenda, consider my mind wiped clean!

Had a good short session last night for +$61 for the night over 298 hands

Some hands....

Hand 1 - PF is a call with AA and one suit and i flop top set plus OESD but no FD blockers. Standard I imagine.

Prima Poker skin
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $146.34
UTG+1: $21.91
CO: $54.65
Hero: $49.75
SB: $33.83
BB: $45.59

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 7 A A 8
UTG raises to $1.75, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Hero calls $1.75 (pot was $4.25), SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: A 9 T ($8.75, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $8.75, CO folds, Hero raises to $35, 2 folds, UTG raises to $61.25, Hero calls all-in $13.
Uncalled bets: $13.25 returned to UTG.

Turn: T ($104.75, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $104.75)


River: 5 ($104.75, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $104.75)


Results:
Final pot: $104.75



Hand 2 - Again I flop top set and felt on good board. PF is fine aint it??


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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $32.33
UTG+1: $42.09
CO: $92.59
Button: $29.36
SB: $50.40
Hero: $101.25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A A K 2
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero raises to $1.5, UTG+1 calls, SB calls.

Flop: 5 J A ($5.5, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, UTG+1 calls, SB folds.

Turn: 6 ($17.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $18, UTG+1 raises all-in $34.09, Hero calls $34.09 (pot was $69.59).

River: 7 ($85.68, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $85.68)


Results:
Final pot: $85.68


Hand 3 - Hows my line here, Ive a gutshot on turn and a nut FD but htere is a paired board out there. Actually it could be an open fold PF!!

How likely is he too have a FH here given no action on flop. In hindsight he probably wouldnt bet river if he didnt have it, doh!!

Prima Poker skin
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $72.66
CO: $55.10
Hero: $141.54
SB: $78.78
BB: $48.20

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 7 T K 9
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: A J A ($4, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: T ($4, 2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero calls $3 (pot was $7).

River: Q ($10, 2 players)
SB bets $7, Hero calls $7 (pot was $17).

Results:
Final pot: $24


Ok thats about it there, any pointers would be great esp. on the last hand.

EDIT: HHs fixed

[salsa4ever]

good luck!

there's a PLO and PLO8 converter here:
http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/

you have to register though so that's a bitch. But what site are you playing on? I don't recognize the format... not sure if it will be compatible with the converter. But the hands in the raw history format are just so unreadable. Just a suggestion, of course.

But I'd be happy to look @ the hands if they were just a bit more digestable

NEWayz... I look @ the last hand

I think the raise pre flop is too big. Either raise to $1 or limp it, but I think it's a playable hand.

I would bet $2 on the flop and be done with the hand if it didn't end right there. If he checked turn I'd check, and call half pot on the end, but not more than that.

As played, I fold the turn. Don't draw to flushes on a paired board, and especially when it's the ace.

[Da GOAT]

PF, im kinda surprised about your advice and maybe im carrying over NL strategy which aint good. You advice either minbetting or open-limping, both i never do in NL. Why would you open-limp?? Warning if this is just a newb question.

i agree calling river as played cost me, opp had AQ in his hole

[bigspenda73]

I 3bet hand 1 and check hand 2 out of the blinds. Both are standard postflop.

I openlimped a lot in Omaha, why do you think there is something wrong with openlimping? It's not like in hold'em where your range immediately becomes small pp's and sc's. Why build a pot OOP with a speculative hand when you don't have to?

[Da GOAT]

I 3bet hand 1 and check hand 2 out of the blinds. Both are standard postflop.

I openlimped a lot in Omaha, why do you think there is something wrong with openlimping? It's not like in hold'em where your range immediately becomes small pp's and sc's. Why build a pot OOP with a speculative hand when you don't have to?

yeah i didnt think about that, such a newb question lol

checking aba's CR vids, 3 betting any AAxx holding aint that good a move. my AAxx hands werent exactly strong ones either. I agree i could check in the blinds though bcoz position is so important esp when PFRs get at least 3 callers

[salsa4ever]

regarding pre flop:

remember that holdem is about protecting what you have already. Omaha is about making the nuts and getting paid. When you do hit something, do you want your opponents having folded their 2nd best 'cos you bet too much? Make a small raise and let them call with their 2589 that makes shitty 2 pair or 2nd best straight when you have 89TJ. Why blast them out?

lets put that another way. the difference between good omaha hands and poor ones is that the good ones have cards that work together in lots of ways so it has lots of plausible 2 card combinations that make the nuts. Like QQJT, or 89TJds. But still, you haven't really got anything to protect, 'cos you haven't made anything yet. You just have a hand that has more chances to make something. And don't always min raise. Vary your raises so you're not predictable. And sometimes a larger raise is warranted if you're one or two off the button

Your first hand with the AA67 is an above average AAxx hand, and I would be reraising 80+% of the time. Doesn't it feel great though when you don't raise it, hit that ace and he thinks "HE CAN'T HAVE ACES HE DIDN'T RERAISE PRE-FLOP". Happened to me a few times

[Da GOAT]

great responses guys, thx alot

[Ash256]

checking aba's CR vids, 3 betting any AAxx holding aint that good a move. my AAxx hands werent exactly strong ones either. I agree i could check in the blinds though bcoz position is so important esp when PFRs get at least 3 callers

What was aba's reasoning behind not threebetting AAxx? I heard that AAxx was a favourite over pretty much anything pre.

Fair enough in deep games, but at 50PL, what's the best reasoning for not going apeshit pre?

[Da GOAT]

dont remember exactly but your hand can easily be just face up when you reraise since alot of ppl dont reraise much else.

ie if someone reraises there is such a good chance they have AA a high % of the time therefore i could play accordingly

[bigspenda73]

Yea, he and Stinger both said it. 3betting PF in Omaha will turn your hand face up. That's why they generally only 3bet the stronger AAxx combos and actually 3bet hands like 5678ds for both value and deception. They can bluff Ahi flops with nothing and they can stack players who themselves think they are stacking AAxx.

[swiggidy]

weeeee, gl goat

[Da GOAT]

Yea, he and Stinger both said it. 3betting PF in Omaha will turn your hand face up. That's why they generally only 3bet the stronger AAxx combos and actually 3bet hands like 5678ds for both value and deception. They can bluff Ahi flops with nothing and they can stack players who themselves think they are stacking AAxx.

nice added thought spenda

[Da GOAT]

had a session a few days ago at empire to clear a bonus. finished down $47. IM doing a $100 bonus there too

Some hands id like advice on, most arent especially tough spots but would like to see if im heading in the right direction.

NOTE: the converter site is down at the moment so i will convert later today

Hand 1 - I know top 2 pair isnt a premium hand but howd i play it?


Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $79.97
UTG+1: $49.50
MP1: $42.23
MP2: $63.61
MP3: $20.55
CO: $44.25
Hero: $69.38
SB: $18.88
BB: $50

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with Q A J K
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Hero calls $0.5 (pot was $2.75), SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 8 Q K ($3.5, 7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets $1, CO calls, Hero raises to $6, 5 folds, CO calls.

Turn: 6 ($16.5, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $13, CO calls.

River: 6 ($42.5, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: $42.5



Hand 2 - flop is bad aint it


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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $7.50
Button: $14.86
SB: $26.74
Hero: $50

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with T K A A
UTG raises to $1, Button calls, SB calls, Hero raises to $5, UTG calls, Button calls, SB folds.

Flop: 8 7 8 ($16, 3 players)
Hero bets $12, UTG calls all-in $2.5, Button calls all-in $9.86.
Uncalled bets: $2.14 returned to Hero.

Turn: 6 ($38.22, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $23.5, Sidepot 1: $14.72)


River: J ($38.22, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $23.5, Sidepot 1: $14.72)


Results:
Final pot: $38.22


Hand 3 - standard??


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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
8 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $25
UTG+1: $31.79
MP1: $35.57
MP2: $23.77
CO: $10.69
Button: $29.48
SB: $13.52
BB: $5.55

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG with A 4 J A
Hero raises to $0.85, 3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 6 J T ($2.8, 3 players)
SB bets $2.66, Hero raises to $10.64, CO folds, SB calls all-in $10.01, Hero calls $2.03 (pot was $23.45).

Turn: 7 ($28.14, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $28.14)


River: 9 ($28.14, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $28.14)


Results:
Final pot: $28.14



thanks for any comments.

[swiggidy]

remove the results next time please, it messes with my head

Hand 1 - Top 2 in a 5-6 way pot is crap, it will cause you nothing but problems, I check behind turn

Hand 2 - you got over 1/2 their effective stack in pre, yes flop sucks, but you still have good equity (I don't feel like running it) and against 2 shorties it's your only option

Also, you could loose to shorty and still get part of the pot. You're not going to run into a sick strong draw like he has very often (almost never) at 25NL

Hand 3 - Flop is standard. I don't raise this UTG, if a shorty raises pre you can 3bet almost all-in

You had 50% equity. Isn't Omaha fun?

[salsa4ever]

hand 1: good - first to act on the river you should probably bet, but in this situation, checking seems like a prudent option. Although betting $8-10 might be optimal

hand 2: good
hand 3: good - going by the 50% equity I'm guessing he had 2 pairs?

[Da GOAT]

had a -$14 session yday, heres the highlight hand in a very short session.

I went from a NL game striaght into a PLO game, obv i didnt clean all the NL off my boots as i stepped into the game.

WTF i have the A high Flush, how did i lose LOL??

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $41.35
UTG+1: $17.30
MP1: $24.50
MP2: $24.84
MP3: $27.58
Hero: $25.83
Button: $1.47
SB: $24.67
BB: $31.69

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with 6 A A Q
4 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises to $1.1, 2 folds, BB calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: T Q Q ($3.4, 3 players)
BB bets $0.75, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $4.75, BB calls.

Turn: 4 ($12.9, 2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero calls.

River: 5 ($18.9, 2 players)
BB bets $8, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $34.9

[swiggidy]

WTF i have the A high Flush, how did i lose LOL??

haha, I had the biggest problem with full houses at first

hand 1: good - first to act on the river you should probably bet, but in this situation, checking seems like a prudent option. Although betting $8-10 might be optimal

You like flop raise?
Because of position?

[bigspenda73]

I really really think you could bluff/shove somewhere in that hand, you should certainy fold out all flushes, just have to wonder if he can fold underfulls to shoves.

[swiggidy]

at 25PLO? I think not often enough to matter

[Flups]

Omaha is so much fun. Started to play it recently myself, took me ages to figure out what my hand was in the beginning, lol. Gonna keep an eye on this thread...

BTW: it seems to me that there's a higher winrate possible at this game than at nl holdem at the micro's, am I right? Sometimes I see average potsizes of over half a buy-in, lol.