Slevins lets do things properly

I'm going to loose a? ;p

It wasn't meant to be a 'comeback' just something I said. I've decided not to denigrate my thread by mentioning or discussing, or even conversing with a certain individual you've mentioned so I won't

Point taken though on past evidence the assumption that I'm going to lose would be a perfectly reasonable conclusion. It all depends on the parameters of your enquiry. I will not lose long term. I'm losing now but it's just a blip in my embryonic poker journey radar. The 600 odd $ i'm down should pale into insignificance when I reach my target of 100k of profit within 2 years.

It's been fun I shoudn't complain, and I would have only spent the money in the pub. I used to spend about $200 in the pub over the course of a week, and poker has just meant I'm in more - so if anything my livers probabally benefitted. I still have a tendenancy to get wasted about once a month, but I only end up drinking about once a week now, so the money I'm down is just money I'd have wasted elsewhere anyway.

I'll be a winning player soon me old china don't worry about that

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I'm going to loose a? ;p

It wasn't meant to be a 'comeback' just something I said. I've decided not to denigrate my thread by mentioning or discussing, or even conversing with a certain individual you've mentioned so I won't

Point taken though on past evidence the assumption that I'm going to lose would be a perfectly reasonable conclusion. It all depends on the parameters of your enquiry. I will not lose long term. I'm losing now but it's just a blip in my embryonic poker journey radar. The 600 odd $ i'm down should pale into insignificance when I reach my target of 100k of profit within 2 years.

No worries me old china, i'll be owning 6max 10nl before you can say - wow, Slevin's improved.

So you are moving to cash games. This is a good decision if you want to make poker your profession (which is the case right?). From what I've read cash has more income potential because as you move up in SNGs stakes the games get hard relatively quickly. Although from experience I can say that micro stakes SNG players are much much worse than mirco cash game players. Get HEM or PT soon and start posting stats after 10k or so hands (even if you can't buy these programs now start saving your hand histories to your computer so you can import them as so as you do get one of these programs). I honestly do hope you prove me wrong on my going to loose assumption. And I wish you luck on your 100k goal. Ohh and stick within your BR this time plz.

I love this thread so much it hurts.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

The 600 odd $ i'm down should pale into insignificance when I reach my target of 100k of profit within 2 years

This makes me lol so hard

Originally Posted by Muzzard

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

The 600 odd $ i'm down should pale into insignificance when I reach my target of 100k of profit within 2 years

This makes me lol so hard

the SHOULD really puts it over the top.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

Originally Posted by kingnat

It's difficult to type with these tears in my eyes..... laughing is good for teh soul. Don't believe the haters Slevin you win it your way!!

thanks man

best.
post.
in.
thread.
<now wiping tears from eyes>

Stick with it slev... you're like david against goliath in this thread here. If you stick to your guns you will be the best poker player the game has known. Later, we will be honored to have known you when you just started out. We'll all come to see the light when you make it, I have faith.

My hats off to you LuckySlevin.
It takes a big person to be able to openly admit their weaknesses. I have a feeling that you are well on your way to becoming a very good and solid poker player.
I have been playing a lot of poker now for the last 5 years straight. I have very good runs and I also have very bad runs. I still need a hell of a lot of improvement in my game as well.
Like Doyle Brunson said, He is 'still' learning things about poker because it takes a lifetime to master it.

Thanks guys I really appreciate the kind words it was really nice to hear thanks

If I were you slevin, I'd get a restraining order against Muzzard. He's approaching stalker territory with all the effort he's put into you.

At the very least, I'd start wearing a chastity belt to guard against 'surprise sex'

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

Well I've lost another bankroll but I'm pleased to say it was not through not following bank roll management. I did lose 12 consecutive table buyins which didn't help! From now on after the fourth I'll take a break and go for a walk.

The majority (not all.. but the majority) of the losses were through bad beats, i.e. I have top two pair against JJ and he hits a jack on the river etc... so I'm pleased with that.

I've been reading a fair bit lately which is a nice luxury I have as I have a bit of time on my hands, and I've decided to finally get around to some hardcore poker study. I 'used' to be a fairly good student, so hopefully it should go fairly well.

I'm going to read a number of poker books and make detailed notes on them all and try to combine the notes into one overall strategy guide for myself. It'll take some time but I'm hoping it will be worth it.

Can you guys tell me your thoughts on the books I'm going to use, I've included six here in the order I plan to study them, if you can think of any reasons for changing the order or adding or removing any please let me know!

Thanks.

1. Doyle Brunson's Super System - A Course in Power Poker.
2. No Limit Holdem Theory and Practice - Sklansky/Miller
3. Harrington on Holdem I, II, III.
4. Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players - Sklansky/Malmuth

I've read HOH 1 and it is pretty good. It has a lot of information in it and good examples, but it will take more reading of it multiple times to make sense of it all. I'm through it twice so far and yet to grasp all of the details and nuance.

I think if I were you at this point Slev I'd not worry about books so much. Make sure you are using PokerStove, it's free and can help you with percentages... also helps to know if you are likely ahead or behind in a hand. That helped me improve. I didn't go back and look for older histories in your messages, but post some tournament histories for us to look through, then maybe we can spot some of your troubles.

Bad Beats don't usually come in 12 game spurts... 2 or 3, yes. 12, not that I have had in my 6 mos of playing. Especially not at low levels. I don't recall the level you are playing at, but stick to one game and let's work out the issues there first. I'll do what i can to help... I started out in SNG's for $1 and $2 until I built up some headway...

See below for re-edited pic

Originally Posted by d0zer

If I were you slevin, I'd get a restraining order against Muzzard. He's approaching stalker territory with all the effort he's put into you.

At the very least, I'd start wearing a chastity belt to guard against 'surprise sex'

HAHAHA dozer



And thanks monty I'm going to re-read all the forum stickies for small stakes cash games and also some of the theory of holdem I'm also going to play with play money for the next couple of days while I'm just getting in the routine of playing according to what they dictate, I know the games are going to be different in real money but it will just be a way of not throwing money away while I'm constantly refering to the books/posts etc... then when I feel I have the bulk of preflop and some post flop play under my belt according to what they've taught I'll make a small deposit and hopefully not look back!

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

fail for effort

Username Games/Av. Profit/Av. Stake/Av. ROI/Total Profit/Form
the_VENOM17 3 $9 $13 118% $28 - FullTilt


I'm not really a SNG player, but the few I have played are posted above.

Those results are following the most simple basics of SNG strategy...

Slev1n: something is not clicking for you! Change is your best friend right now, all you have to do is embrace that, step back and realize what your faults are. Then you can PLAN a course of action and decide what YOU MUST do in order to achieve that goal! If not Failure is 100% and any further attempts is not needed. That's 100% Man to Man Truth!

I hear you man, and i'm there that's why I'm going over all the stickies and reading and doing nothing but play money for the next couple of days while the bad habbits dissapear.

I was putting it down to bad luck (bad br aside) but everyone here keeps telling me how easy the micro stakes are to beat, so it must have been more than just bad luck.

It took me a while but yeah the need for change finally dawned on me yesterday!

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I was putting it down to bad luck (bad br aside) but everyone here keeps telling me how easy the micro stakes are to beat, so it must have been more than just bad luck.

HOLY SHIT! The penny drops. GL at the $50's when you deposit £2k, you'll pwn with the right attitude.

Slevin, if you deposit more and play higher your sharkscope might end up looking like mine:

Slevin, you would be much better off taking the $3.5k you intend to deposit back the staking site and staking someone else to play. I mean will you ever learn or not?

The sad thing here is you continue to believe that you are going to dominate poker, and earn $100k in two years, yet you are down hundreds of dollars in a few months, and still have SOOOO MANY holes in your game that you need to get fixed. And it's not the leaks that the players are laughing at, it's your lack of taking the steps to fix them.

First off you say you don't want to listen to Muzz, but he has given sound advice in many cases. You are a losing poker player (aka loser). Muzz, and most other people in this thread are winning poker players (aka winners). You want to be a winner don't you?? Then fucking listen to the winners.

No matter how good you are (which you aren't you just suck, but using this as an example) if you play outside of your Bankroll then you will lose, plain and simple. Poker is a game of variance, and if you don't prepare for the future properly you will fail, as you have done time and time again.

I am also calling BULLSHIT on all the effort you claim to put into poker. You have stated numerous times that you are taking a few days off to do nothing but read strategy posts, books, or watch videos. Yet you come on with hands that are fucked up on even the most basic levels, and instead of saying "What's wrong with this?", and then when being told that you played it badly agreeing and saying "Thanks for explaining why I played it badly. I will try not to do the same mistake", you come in here and whine because you lose after playing horribly and think we give a shit? We don't. If you play badly, you will lose. Simple as that. And you are playing badly, therefore you are losing. Instead, come in here and take the advice given and apply it towards your game.

If you put in the effort you say you do, then you would not be down this much money in such a short amount of time. Winning money at poker isn't that hard if you just listen to better players. While you have dropped >$600, I, as have quite a few players here, have turned a minimum deposit into a few thousand dollars ($0 to $3400 right now for me).

Just listen to people and you will stop losing money. I suggest you make one last deposit of $50 on Pokerstars (because one deposit is all you should have made in the first place), and play either $1.20 SNGs, or 2nl. And just grind that $50 until you are at $100 and have posted enough tournies/hands to get clear feedback that you are improved. If you are and your BR dictates that over a large enough sample you have become a winner, then you can think about moving up the stakes to 5nl or 2.20SNGs.

I am going to dominate poker it's as certain as you continuing to post in such a condescending fashion, people that are truly good at the game here don't talk to people the way you do or with the same indefatigable pomposity it's just stupid but whatever. Fnord, BJ, Daven, Deanglow, Kmind, Jymns, Warpe, Chardrian, Dozer, they are all regular posters and good players, if any deserved the privilidge of talking down to someone it would be them, yet they don't.

I think you need to reassess your reasons for posting - if it's just to puff your chest I'm sure there are easier ways for you to get the same buzz pal.

For God's sakes slevin, if you intend to be a degen and play out of your BR at least put the fucking money on my tables.

Originally Posted by Deanglow

Slevin, if you deposit more and play higher your sharkscope might end up looking like mine:

wow how long did it take you to play that sample?

Originally Posted by Deanglow

Slevin, if you deposit more and play higher your sharkscope might end up looking like mine:

I bet you felt like a god right around tourney #160ish.... gg. move up to $5k HU SnGs... where gabe will respect your raises.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I am going to dominate poker it's as certain as you continuing to post in such a condescending fashion, people that are truly good at the game here don't talk to people the way you do or with the same indefatigable pomposity it's just stupid but whatever. Fnord, BJ, Daven, Deanglow, Kmind, Jymns, Warpe, Chardrian, Dozer, they are all regular posters and good players, if any deserved the privilidge of talking down to someone it would be them, yet they don't.

I think you need to reassess your reasons for posting - if it's just to puff your chest I'm sure there are easier ways for you to get the same buzz pal.

And I absolute agree that the above mentioned posters are solid winners, and that their advice is worth listening to. However, apparently you do not, because your posts here practically spit on their advice.

FTR offers advice
You disregard it.
You lose money.
You whine, and say you will do better next time.
FTR offers advice.
You disregard it.

See where that is going? Because that's exactly how the past month or two has gone for you. If you were to listen to the advice given by those players, and other players that have proven themselves as winners, then you would be able to turn around that trend and actually profit from this game.

And sorry buddy, but I don't have a need to puff out my chest and claim to be anything other than I am. Yeah, I've turn $0 into a decent amount of money. Do I claim to be the next poker prodigy? Absolutely not. Do I believe that I'm a winner? Yeah my results dictate that unlike yours. Did I do this because I have a natural gift at poker? Another no. I was probably as horrible as you at one point (although I never lost money like you did), but instead I listened to players better than me (spoon, redZill, mcat, Muzz, Bbickes, yAAwn, Bankitdrew, Taipan, TLR, Bjsaust, Kingnat, etc), and because of this instead of burning money as you are, I am printing a small sum of it.

So in conclusion, QUIT BITCHING about your shitty luck, and quit making absurd goals involving hundreds of thousands of dollars, when you have yet to prove your ability to be disciplined enough to play within your roll for a day or two, let alone for a lifetime. As a wise man said once, "Get the Bitch out of your uterus"! Get down to work, and learn the game from the ground up because that's what you need. Or settle as you have and continue to see the same results.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

Originally Posted by Deanglow

Slevin, if you deposit more and play higher your sharkscope might end up looking like mine:

wow how long did it take you to play that sample?

4 to 5 days, but that is another story

stacks get a life and get the hell out of my thread. good day, you have now earned yourself the esteemed position that was until now reserved only for muzzard in my books, so I will not be entertaining your stupidity with any more of my time. Hence I shan't be reading, replying, refuting, or otherwise engadging with your future posts.

Once again slev, just please if you insist on giving money to complete strangers through online poker, come to my table.. Seeing as I can't help you become a winner, I might as well help you become more of a degen (if possible).

Slev, even though others have taken this where you don't want it to go, I think I remember reading that you play SNGs and at low levels.

Can we try an experiment? If you are on Stars/FTP/similar, sign up for a non-turbo, 9-10 man SNG for under $5. I would suggest a $2 SNG.

Sit through the entire first three level folding anything EXCEPT AA, KK, AK, QQ. Raise those hands when you have them (or open the betting for 4-5xBB). If you bet/raise AA or KK and get re-raised, shove it all in.

Do that for the first three levels. By that time you should be down a few players.

From there, beginning at fourth level, start playing more hands from late position, AT+, KQ, all pairs, and only play a hand if you are willing to raise it.

Once you complete that tournament, post the history of it, or if it won't work with the converter, post the file somewhere on a free hosting site and post the link. I'll review it as another learning player and provide an honest commentary.

If that isn't something you want to do, fine, but I'm willing to take a look.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

stacks get a life and get the hell out of my thread. good day, you have now earned yourself the esteemed position that was until now reserved only for muzzard in my books, so I will not be entertaining your stupidity with any more of my time. Hence I shan't be reading, replying, refuting, or otherwise engadging with your future posts.

You're obviously bad at poker seeing your results and all, but that's ok cause we've all been there.
You obviously can't manage your bankroll fine, but it's ok too, cause we all been there.

HOWEVER, there's something common between all ftr's, which is being open to advice from better players who have already been there themselves. You, my friend, aren't open to those advices and have shown evidence of that. You lack open mindedness (if such a word exists) and should listen to the people you have asked advice from. Otherwise, stop asking for advice.

I don't have any useful tips to give u per se, it has all been given to you. But all I can I hope u read my entire post cause u sure seem not to have read the entire posts of others and stopped at the first occurrence of "fuck" and started insulting them or w/e.

Good luck, hope to see u at the tables.

slevin people here are giving you good advice and then you call them condescending? You have done nothing to deserve anyone's respect here, I'm not going to go over what I said before. Play a few $1.20 SnGs, post hand histories in the SnG forum, hell post an entire tournament and taipan will probably go over it for you unless for some reason you've slagged him off already. Look how many replies you've got, many admitedly are just to laugh at you but a lot of people here are genuinely trying to help.

solid thread. would read again.

I agree with badgers. This entire thread is results oriented.

Bankroll management issues aside (though not forgotten, 'cause you've shown absolutely zero ability to be disciplined in this area), lets see some hands - trimmed tourney summaries, preferably. You're losing due to abysmal play and you should be trying to get feedback on that, first and foremost.

[x]quality
[x] BBV worthy

I lol'ed

Finally this thread has delivered. Initially it damn annoying but I felt compelled to read it. Now its actually getting good.

Keep at it Slevin!

Thanks guys sure will do I'm just playing in free rolls at the moment while I'm redeveloping some kind of strategy I'll focus on the process, not the results and post my next tournament.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I'm redeveloping some kind of strategy...

How 'bout using tried and true instead of designing your own? This isn't a wheel that needs reinventing.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I'll focus on the process, not the results...

Bingo.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

...and post my next tournament.

Can't wait. Make it a seperate thread in the correct forum pls.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I'm redeveloping some kind of strategy

If only there was some place you could go that might have a strategy "pre"developed... This is such a new and novel idea. How would you like to be business partners on a new website venture? Once you've redeveloped a strategy.. will put it up on our website, and charge people to look at it... or will get tons of hits and sell advertising. We may not get a lot of traffic early on, but after you've made millions... they'll flock to us like flies to shit.... metaphorically speaking.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

Thanks guys sure will do I'm just playing in free rolls at the moment while I'm redeveloping some kind of strategy I'll focus on the process, not the results and post my next tournament.

Bad idea. Don't post whole freeroll tournaments.

Instead, post the sng histories from the 50nl and 22nl tournies you have already played. Let people show you where your leaks are. Hell, you may have played them really well and just got unlucky. If you're not able to deal with honest and fair analysis of your play to date, then you're going to struggle.

As for abusing Stax - crazy. His advice is sound, and his results speak for themselves - of the merits of discipline, study, application and sound bankroll management. and the list of players he cites is a crew who (mostly?) frequent IRC and are very good players who continue to improve. Don't hate so much dude.

ALSO: use the hand converter/tournament trimmer or we'll hunt you down and cut your balls off. NO MORE RAW HH'S!

Originally Posted by daven

Instead, post the sng histories from the 50nl and 22nl tournies you have already played. Let people show you where your leaks are. Hell, you may have played them really well and just got unlucky. If you're not able to deal with honest and fair analysis of your play to date, then you're going to struggle.

+1

(not all of them please, just a few for now)

Since everyone loves the sharkscope graphs so much and you've mentioned my name a few times, search for bjsaust on stars and view the graph.

See those first 150 games? All at $1.20s. Thats a month or so of playing the lowest games available on stars and posting hands and tournaments on here to be reviewed because I was terribad.

From 150 to about 320 you have mainly $5.50s and $6.50s as my roll grew a bit, but still learning how it all works. Won a bit, lost it back. Still playing all within my BR though. Then after a couple months of posting hands and tournaments and reviewing my play AFTER all of that it triggers and up my graph goes. I could get those 320 games in because I used BRM and used FTR advice to get going.

Now search bjsaust on FullTilt. See now why we use BRM? I think I lost 25 buyins in 35 games. I wasnt playing that bad. Variance happens in SNGs (and poker in general). You take that downswing out and the graph still has an overall upward swing, but I needed solid BRM to ride it out.

Then I moved to cash because the swings sucked . Even then though, my cash graph took almost 10k hands before it started moving upwards, but again solid BRM let me ride those hands out while I learnt enough about cash to be a winning player and I've already had some swings that make me grateful I use BRM to ride them out.

http://tuffish.ytmnd.com/

i propose that slevin pays somebody to live at their house and give them permission to beat him with bamboo until he gets it right. this is OP's only chance at success.

well I've posted one I couldn't get the trimmer to work so please don't cut me in half! =/ it was a very short tournament though so hopefully not too bad. If someone knows what the TT error means can you let me know please!

Re my past hand histories I've reformatted my computer earlier today it's been running really slow and I wanted to clear things out ready for the new chapter in my poker journey so I don't have any.

Here is the tournament I posted - I'd appreciate your thoughts, thanks

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...09.html#753777

New FTR drinking game. Everyone does a shot each time Slevin redeposits.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

New FTR drinking game. Everyone does a shot each time Slevin redeposits.

Damn spoon you know Red is a lightweight. No way he could keep up.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

Re my past hand histories I've reformatted my computer earlier today it's been running really slow and I wanted to clear things out ready for the new chapter in my poker journey so I don't have any.

that's an unfortunate coincidence...
what do you mean by reformatting your computer?

just request from stars?

Originally Posted by badgers

just request from stars?

Starpwned.

It's quite funny he comes to us for help, yet attempts to deceive us at the same time. As made evident by his "nice investigation work guys" comment when he didn't think his losses would show up here. And now this coincidence.. He obviously doesn't want help, so fuck it. He obviously doesn't deserve it as he has either argued or wrote of a good portion of the forum. I say we let him continue to lose his money, which will go to other fish, which hopefully will make it to some of us. Sounds harsh, but you can only try to help an individual so many times.

Originally Posted by badgers

just request from stars?

this.

dude i believe in you slevin. The more you play the better you'll get if you play 100 dollar tourney's you'll get better faster with a 2.5k bankroll you can play 100nl and learn faster. Go for it.

Originally Posted by bigteif

dude i believe in you slevin. The more you play the better you'll get if you play 100 dollar tourney's you'll get better faster with a 2.5k bankroll you can play 100nl and learn faster. Go for it.

Bigteif you are smart beyond your years. I concur that playing 100nl on Stars would greatly improve your game.

Alright , enough already. Muzzard was out of line and others are going to get out of line soon enough.

Luckyslev1n? give it a rest. I suggest you forget about the blog/OP and move on to learning poker on your own, you obviously do not want anyone posting help in your thread. Don't tell me otherwise because even Muzzard started off on page one trying to help. I suggest that Selv1n go learn poker on his own and everyone elsee stop giving advice to him. This is how we will all get along.


If Slev1n wants to keep posting in this train wreck of a thread I can unlock it, but FTR will no longer be responsible for the responses you get.


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