Quote Originally Posted by tugger
Look, I know open shoving aces pf is not the most profitable way of making money with them. But shoving with them is still profitable. Play them how you like. If you want to maximise value with the hand, raise, don't open shove. But I personally don't want four people to call my x6 raise, I'd rather nobody call my x120 raise. So I shove more often than not... certainly utg, certainly if there is some heavy pf action, certainly on the blinds if half the table have limped, and certainly if I'm surrounded by fish.
This is why we are telling you that your advice is bad. The above paragraph is absolutely terrible from a logic standpoint. You say "shoving isn't the most profitable way", but that we should do it? Why would we do that? It makes no sense. Why would you not want to maximize the value you get with a hand, let alone the best hand?

You don't want anyone to call your raise? You want people to call when you raise to 6x with JJ/QQ/etc, but you would rather avoid having to play a pot with AA/KK? How can that even sound correct to you? You want people to play against your more vulnerable hands, but the stronger the hand, the better off we are just stealing the blinds, and settling for a low average profit?

And the reason that people are getting angry is because you seem to be passing your advice off as 100% correct. Your not saying all of this in your initial post. Instead of saying, "I KNOW that it's not best to shove AA preflop, but I do it anyways just because", you are saying "You should shove AA preflop" or "Open shoving AA preflop is good".

How do the new players that you are giving advice to know what you actually mean, and how are they to decipher the good advice from the bad? They can't, so it's our jobs to do it for them, and tell them what advice is bad. And that is what has been done here. Sorry it caused a flamefest, but your advice was not correct, and players said so. I'm not always correct either, you need to learn to take it better.

Also, your statement that everyone is equal here is no where near correct. Just because it's a public forum does not make everyone equal. I don't see how you could even see it that way. Do you equal the individuals who created this forum? Do you equal the individuals that spend hours on here moderating the forum? Does your advice carry the same weight as a player who has won over $1million from poker? Not hardly.