10 year old with 4 guns....

[HarleyGuy13]

And the crazy fucking thing is that criminals aren't somehow fucked up people, they're people who have been fucked up. There isn't some identifiable genetic characteristic that makes people criminals. We need to stop punishing people for being the ones who get screwed by the shit system we've designed, and start fixing that system in the first place

Like with child molesters. In the US we say lock them up for life, but in countries that don't hate themselves, they've been discovering that the molesters are being reformed as they simply change the system the molesters live in. People aren't bad, systems are bad.

Wufwugy I was totally with you until I read this. Your point about "criminals aren't somehow fucked up people" is only partially correct. Many studies have shown that the majority of serious criminals do in deed have genetic characteristics which. Now there are many minor criminals out there who are victims of there surroundings but they don't grow into killers and rapist.

Then you say child molesters are being reformed. BULLSHIT BULLSHIT. Have you ever talked with a child molester? Have you ever had one look you in the eye and tell you he can control his urges? NO FUCKING WAY. Sir I have participated in numerous interviews and interrogations of sex offenders of all types. They are truly fucked up my friend and they will tell you they CANNOT control it. The unfortunate part here is the huge % of sex offenders who were victims of sex crimes themselves, it's staggering!

[wufwugy]

Wufwugy I was totally with you until I read this. Your point about "criminals aren't somehow fucked up people" is only partially correct. Many studies have shown that the majority of serious criminals do in deed have genetic characteristics which. Now there are many minor criminals out there who are victims of there surroundings but they don't grow into killers and rapist.

I would love to see evidence of genetic imperatives for criminality

Then you say child molesters are being reformed. BULLSHIT BULLSHIT. Have you ever talked with a child molester? Have you ever had one look you in the eye and tell you he can control his urges? NO FUCKING WAY. Sir I have participated in numerous interviews and interrogations of sex offenders of all types. They are truly fucked up my friend and they will tell you they CANNOT control it. The unfortunate part here is the huge % of sex offenders who were victims of sex crimes themselves, it's staggering!

Well, I didn't actually say that. You are right that the systems US uses for any sort of reforms don't work. Repeat offense in US is enormous

I couldn't find it again, so I'm sorry about that, but I was referring to some preliminary research showing significant reductions in repeat offense for some pedophilia due to new and quite different programs from the mainstream. It was in like Norway or some place, and it was much, much different than the kinds of things we do in the US. The research is preliminary, but instead of throwing away the key, it attempts to use what we know how what causes pedophilia to combat it, and results are showing fruitful

The point I was making was that reform is possible, not that we're achieving it in any conventional means.