The 2 + 2 thread {EDIT: THIS IS A WARNING TO ALL - XIANTI}

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[Fnord]

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[a500lbgorilla]

What was your reasoning behind posting it on 2+2, knowing that there is a greater number of harsh critics there?

If PMs from FTR guys expressing their gratitude is good enough for you, I don't see why you need to post it over there.

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[Warpe]

Well said, Rippy.

I was finding the 2+2 thread entertaining, and I don't know why UG locked the thread here 'cause I don't think anyone was trashing you, we were just enjoying the show, but whatever...

Welcome home?

[Fnord]

What was your reasoning behind posting it on 2+2, knowing that there is a greater number of harsh critics there?

Good question.

Rippy just doesn't speak the same language as a lot of us reguarding poker. For starters, he mostly plays stacks and has a good feel for chicken. This starts to come out when you get him past chest pounding and other results oriented spew.

Then come around to accept that he's probably a winning player. Then stop focusing on what he's doing wrong, that's too darn easy and start looking for the value he finds that makes up for all of that.

Finnally, a lot of his stuff works against weaker players. Strong, (mostly) cash players get the best of him. But weaker players are where all the money is anyway...

[Phantaroth]

I think your over-reacting to the FTR thread.

I thought the person who locked it over reacted as well.

It was indeed incorrectly titled but no one in it was being a dick, and saying bad things about you, so I don't see what the problem is.

And I agree with your comments about the other forum.

Edit: And also I think you very rarely on FTR get criticized by anyone, most ppl here seem to enjoy your strategy.

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[Phantaroth]

O gosh, and i take back anything good I said about you.

You seem more stuck up then anyone who ever criticized you in the first place.

Dwarfman you are one of those assholes. You are a mosquito on my ass. STFU and go masturbate to the lingerie section in the Sears catalog you little worm. You are a nobody. I hope you get run over by a double decker bus you judgemental little rodent. Stop following me everywhere...you are worse than a little one legged dog that I picked up at the animal shelter. . I value the brown crust on my shit-stained underwear more than I value your pea-brained opinions.

I was only asking a legitimate question...

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[Fnord]

O gosh, and i take back anything good I said about you.

You seem more stuck up then anyone who ever criticized you in the first place.

The internet brings out the worst in some people. Also, how much do being a nice guy and playing well (enough to have something interesting to say) have in common?

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[Phantaroth]

Nothing.

Ripptyde might be a good or great player, dont know, dont really care.

But come on, why be a dick to a legitimatley nice forum member like that?

I have no respect for this kind of behavior in a person, poker skills or not.

[NewJack33]

they're just haters who can't come to terms with 06 being the year of the tyde

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[Phantaroth]

K if there are pre existing issues then i'll stay out of it, I was just a bit suprised at your response to his post. <3 you both I guess, I don't know either of you well enough to comment further. :P

I have my own issues with Dwarfman for his 'stalking'...its been a curse I have to live with. he is impossible to get rid of. And this 'legitimately nice' forum member also happens to be a backstabber and a gossip artist. He is a cancer on my ass

Note that I do not want to turn this thread into a pissing contest, so I do not intend to post here again.

Just consider the irony in your statement.

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[Phantaroth]

anyway... ehh... back on topic?!~!

Yeah! those 2+2 scumbags!

Amiritie?

*rescues this thread from being locked!*

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[a500lbgorilla]

This thread is un-lockable.

Ive decided if shit is gonna hit the fan, it'll happen here or no where else.

Though, I doubt shit will hit the fan since I dont really see the big issue here.

That thread was just pointing out the rippy was getting torn a new one over at 2+2, not to spread a rumor that he had left. UG locked it becuase he felt it was taking a negative spin and I respect his opinion on that (and didnt feel strongly enough to have it unlocked)

[vqc]

all I can say is : look at my results

is poker really one of those things where u can judge someones ability to play the game based on results?

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[donkbee]

all I can say is : look at my results

is poker really one of those things where u can judge someones ability to play the game based on results?

In the long-term, yes. In the short-term, no.

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[Fnord]

all I can say is : look at my results

is poker really one of those things where u can judge someones ability to play the game based on results?

In the long-term, yes. In the short-term, no.

If Rippy ever opened his mind to the approach other winning players take to this game it could have a huge impact on his earn. Until that day comes along, you may as well be speaking greek.

[Fnord]

what exactly do you consider 'short term'...I have been posting wins from over a year and a 1/2 ago

Time durration is irrelevent. Stuff like number of entries and ROI is. The wins mean a lot to you personally, but are meaningless to your "critics."

Also, simulation and real world results have both shown WILD swings playing poker. Particularly with styles like yours.

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[donkbee]

what exactly do you consider 'short term'...I have been posting wins from over a year and a 1/2 ago

If you are asking whether my statement was directly related to you, as a player, the answer is no.

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[boost]

rippy Im not talking shit, Im stating facts, so if you reply to this with some bitching and moaning then Ill just ignore you and this thread from now on.

5 mtt wins is NOT a lot. 11 ft's is NOT a lot. And according to thepokerdb, you could very well be a losing player over hte long term. Only you could tell us this for sure. But I believe reading that your ROI is just over 100%, and you have a totoal of like 45k winnings. So you have profitted 22.5k. Right? Wrong... We all know your preferred tournament is one with a rebuy structure. We all know you spend a lot of rebuys on average in the rebuy hour. So really, if you add in all the rebuys, and then factor in what youve lost at cash games (Im not talking shit, but I think its safe to say you are a losing player over the long run at cash games..?) And you really havent won that much, if any. So maybe you should relax on throwing your results in peoples faces as proof of your poker strategyies?

Again, take it for face value, Im not trying to talk shit, all Ive expressed is a possible conclusion that was reached through logical reasoning. If you want to bitch and moan and throw insults at me fine, but that will only further prove to me that the above is true.

[Fnord]

(Im not talking shit, but I think its safe to say you are a losing player over the long run at cash games..?)

I don't think it's safe to say either way. Also consider that I've seen him put in a lot of time at the lower levels ($25NL 6 max, $11 SnGs (many multi-table.)) Not enough data.

[boost]

I agree... but with the data hes providing and the data that we can get from thepokerdb, it doesnt look too good for him.

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[dthorne04]

yawn.

[Robert]

I dont understand why someone complains about others hating and then begin hating themselves.

[Fnord]

Fnord you are assuming that I don't have my eyes wide open already.

Oh and Boost for the record...I did happen to take 13th place in arguably the biggest tourney on the internet with just under 4000 entries. If I happen to take 1st ($169,000)...even second place....WE ARENT HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.

All the bankroll management armchair quarterbacks are kissin my ass, and your beloved statistics on ROI and events played aint worth the corn in my shit.

Exactly.

I still find it fascinating how people are so quick to break my stats down so they can show me how much I suck..lol

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Your distain for simple record keeping fustrates any attempt to say much of anything really. I know better than to write you off as a goof, as many others do, but beyond that, *shrug*

[boost]

yes rippy, but... you got 13th, not 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th or 12th. Thirteenth. So we are having this discussion. If I didnt get one outted a month ago, my roll would be much healthier and I wouldnt be as upset over this terrible swing at sngs Im taking, but that didnt happen, so Im not gonna live my life in "what if" land. If you chose to, have fun.

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[Pingviini]

I havent yet looked at that thread on 2+2 but I will. Most of the people here on ftr think that you have a lot of potential (myself included) but you really dont seem to have no idea what "a winning player" means. sure, we can talk about $$$ won in tournaments but when we reduce the tournament fees all that matters is our net income (or ROI). It's like saying that I have won 1ook in cash games this year but also lost 99k. I am totally with fnord here about keeping statistics and almost everything else too (and I dont agree with him a whole lot of time).

Also, it again seems to come back to br management, eventhough a player would be a winning player in long term if you dont respect any br management rules you will bust. period. you know that. I dont wanna borrow money for gambling, I think that is even worse than borrowing money for alcohol/drugs. Respect and understand variance and dont curse the "fish who call too much so that you cant win". If you win "the sklansky dollars" you win in the long run. sorry for this ramble but I really think that you should start to understand why so many people here (including me) are a bit sensitive about some threads of yours and some ideas of yours.

This all shit being said, your MTT guides, especially the first edition, when I started playing poker, have truly inspired me.

[Bmxicle]

Does anyone else see the hilarious irony in this statement?

"all I can say is : look at my results"

I could go on, but you and your worshippers might eat me alive.

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[boost]

yes if you won 150k that would be huge... but what you obviously cant wrap your brain around is the fact that if you won that due to positive variance while making a -ev decision, then you still have lost in the long run. And if you continue after your big break to play the same you will eventually lose it. Youll lose it all, and then youll look like a fool.

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[boost]

Its just a like a black jack addict, or any other gambler. They are just waiting for taht hot streak, that big one, and then everythign will change, they keep convincing you, after that one big win everything will change. How will it change? If you are making -ev decisions and end up with 150k, how will anything change? Really unless you reevalute your game, and stop doing -ev things, that 150k will only turn right back into zero. Z-E-R-O.

Really, I think Im done after this post, I feel like this is the atheist vs theist thread... if you believe you can donk your fucking way to millions, have fun crashing and burning. IF you do make it, you still made a terrible decision and it doenst bother me. Ive lost all respect I ever had for you, you arent making any sense and sound like the classic person with a gambling problem. And its sad because you are selling your ideas as sound poker strategy. Some of them are fine, but put together they are -ev and amount to nothing more then gambling.

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[Bmxicle]

lol @ 'worshippers'

pffffffffft

hehe, you are a good guy, and you certainly make me laugh sometimes.

[boost]

right... but I dont claim my stats are something amazing. My MTT stats are terrible, however I am a winning player in the long run, Ive never borrowed any substantial amount of money from anyone. I currently owe dthorne like 35$ or some shit cuz he payed for a guantlet buyin for me cuz I had no money on stars and like 25$ cuz my money was all tied up and I was bored, and hes my freind. You on the other hand borrowed substantial amounts of money from numerous sources never letting on that you were already in debt to otheres, and of course always promising a quick pay back. However if you are in debt to several people already how could you promise a quick pay back to a new loaner? You did clear up most if not all of your debts and thats good, but it took nearly a year in some cases. I didnt mean for it to come to this, but you brought it there. I dont feel one bit ashamed by my stats on thepokerdb, I really could care less, Im trying to learn and get a lot of expeirence. Im trying ot make decisions that are +ev. Im trying to be the best I can, you on the other hand pretend to be the best you can.

Youre a 40+ y/o man, who brags about having a net earnings of ~20k in a year, why the fuck am I even arugeing with you?

[dthorne04]

this is pretty much the worst thread ever.

lots of condescending replies, lots of bullshit, lots of ignorance.

loooovely.

[boost]

Oh and do I need to bring up the way you used to suck innocent ftr newbs into giving you money? You know what Im talking about... sitting around IRC and the second someone starts doing good, try your hardest to get the mon the phone with you, then 'coach' them, then make it clear that you deserve a cut of hte money. Hell, I thought it was how things went. But why does a winning player as accomplished as you care about a percent of a 1500$ win? You should be ashamed. You think you deserve a tip? Heres a tip, stop being a fucking deadbeat loser, youre too old for that shit.

[a500lbgorilla]

this is pretty much the worst thread ever.

lots of condescending replies, lots of bullshit, lots of ignorance.

loooovely.

Im just hoping to get it all out here and over with.

[Phantaroth]

my thoughts exactly.

Everyone in the shelter, this one is getting heated.

[donkbee]

What amazes me, Rippy, is that you shoot down constructive criticism so fast. A lot of this constructive criticism comes from people who both care about you and respect you. Being defensive is fine to a point. But when you start insulting people who don't mean any harm whatsoever when they comment on your threads, that's when you start losing respect. Is it worth it, just because you don't like what they're saying?

A forum is used to share opinons. If you don't want opinons, then you shouldn't post.

lmao Boost you dont know what the fuck you are talking about. Your stats are miserable.

Boost only posted to help you. He only posted to share his thoughts and opinons and hopefully make you understand what he's trying to say about something that may be true. He never intended to piss you off, he never insulted you, he never said anything with bad intent. Yet this is how you treat people who sincerely want to help you, you directly insult them. Why?

I respect your game a lot, Rippy, but I don't respect your attitude or the way you treat people sometimes.

[donkbee]

this is pretty much the worst thread ever.

lots of condescending replies, lots of bullshit, lots of ignorance.

loooovely.

Im just hoping to get it all out here and over with.

what's the point?

[a500lbgorilla]

this is pretty much the worst thread ever.

lots of condescending replies, lots of bullshit, lots of ignorance.

loooovely.

Im just hoping to get it all out here and over with.

what's the point?

A healthy catharsis of anger.

[dthorne04]

this is pretty much the worst thread ever.

lots of condescending replies, lots of bullshit, lots of ignorance.

loooovely.

Im just hoping to get it all out here and over with.

Do you really think this is going to achieve anything?

Granted, I don't post nearly as much as most of the members here, but I just think this whole fucking thing is absurd. A fucking joke. This will solve nothing.

[Phantaroth]

I feel there is equally no point in locking it.... If people are gonna argue over stuff, it'll be argued over thread or no thread. Atleast it is contained to one thread, although this should problabley be handled privatley.

[a500lbgorilla]

this is pretty much the worst thread ever.

lots of condescending replies, lots of bullshit, lots of ignorance.

loooovely.

Im just hoping to get it all out here and over with.

Do you really think this is going to achieve anything?

Granted, I don't post nearly as much as most of the members here, but I just think this whole fucking thing is absurd. A fucking joke. This will solve nothing.

It keeps the argument from becoming a big network ordeal. Boost tells 2 or 3 other people about his gripe with rippy, some people agree, some relay the message to rippy who gets angry and shit just snowballs.

Might aswell just have everyone yell at each other for a day or two and then ignore it from then on out instead of having it flare up in thread after thread.

[dthorne04]

perhaps, rilla. but what you're likely to get is yet another condescending reply out of rippy, and more flaming. just a waste of time...your call, however.

i don't know.

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[boost]

Ok, so how about we lay out the figures, instead of clouding it all in mystery. Ive Been playing poker just over a year, Ive made ~8,000$ net. Im 20 years old. Ive borrowed effictively 0$.

now its your turn.

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[boost]

ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED, WAKE THE FUCK UP OLD MAN. YOU POST A HAND HISTORY IN WHICH YOU PLAYEd lIKE A FUCKING IDIOT. PEOPLE TELL YOU IT WAS A BAD PLAY. YOU GET DEFENSIVE. PEOPLE THEN FURTHER EXPLAIN THE LOGIC AND MATH BEHIND WHY ITS A BAD PLAY. YOU START INSULTING PEOPLE. YOU ARE THE FUCKING PROBLEM. NOT ANYONE ELSE. WAKE UP AND SMELL YOUR OWN BULLSHIT. YOURE AN IDIOT, STOP BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE, ASSHOLE.

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[a500lbgorilla]

And we're done.

From now on, I have one rule that rises above the rest.

In no instance will you ever be disrespectful of any other poster on this forum. If you can not make your points politely and respectfully then you can not make your points on this forum.

It will be at my discretion and mine alone which comments will be considered light hearted jabs or in jest and which will be direct attacks on character or generally meant to anger and frustrate others. (At least as far as my forum goes)

Frustration is the sign that you're losing a battle of wits, the first person to frustration is the first to lose.

Private matters will remain private. There will be no open discussion of debt in my forum at all unless it is your debt and you started the thread. Again, content will remain at my discretion.

Any more suggestions or ways to expand or shear down these rules, you can pm me or maybe start a thread.

[Fnord]

Classic is when I won the $5.00 r/a a few days ago and I go on IRC and the welcome message set by Lambchop is : 'Congrats to Rippy for almost donking off 1/2 his bankroll calling with 7/4os'...lol real nice

The big topic of conversation was what a bad player I am and how stupid I was for calling off like 1/3rd of my stack with 7/4os.

If this is true, that was pretty tasteless. Ripp puts in a big cash and you guys are beating him up over hands over IRC/IM/whatever. Be happy for him and accept that you're not going to have a constructive discussion of play of a hand unless he wants to go there.

Chill with the debt angle too. People who gave him money certainly weren't in the dark about what they were getting into and he did the right thing in the end.

I certainly think Rippy plays like a real goof at times. Part of me is amazed he's not bust. It's kinda sad to see him shoot off steam in chat/forums/IRC/whatever. But when it comes down to it, I've met Marty, he's a great guy with a lot of gamble and I'm glad he's had a good run over the last couple months and wish him only the best.

[a500lbgorilla]

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[Phantaroth]

I think you all are to blame!

Ripptyde is a bit too defensive, and perhaps he has reasons to be if ppl are constantly poking fun at him.

And everyone else is a bit too aggressive in their comments and instigative behavior.

I think you all need to just relax and enjoy something, too much hate.

[a500lbgorilla]

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Also, this probably shows why Im pretty sure I shouldnt be mod.