Adderall

[aislephive]

Ok, so for the past year I've been underachieving in poker, almost all due to not being able to put in enough hands. For the past few months I've been really lazy and unfocused in general. I've read a little about adderall just on 2p2 using the search function and think that it can help me a lot.

For a little background, I was diagnosed with ADD when I was a kid and used to take ritalin on occasion. It was a while ago so I can't remember how much it helped me at the time. FWIW, I'm 19 years old.

Since I have a background of having ADD, it shouldn't be hard to get a prescription for adderall, yes? Also, I'm not sure if I have health insurance anymore. How much might this end up costing me?

I'd also be very interested in hearing some experiences of people using it for poker (online, not live), and anything else that is helpful I'd love to hear. Thanks.

[kevster]

I wouldn't think that taking any drug in order to play poker could be +EV.

EDIT: I am drunk at the moment though, so I could be wrong

[bigred]

A lot of kids at my uni use adderol to stay up all night studying.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

Why just take adderall when you could be like William Gustafik who's daily regiment started with coffee + Ativan, followed quickly by lines of cocaine with a chaser of testosterone injections and testosterone gel smeared on his thighs. He'd do this to get himself ready so he could play online poker all day and to get through the long days of live tournament play...

http://www.insidebayarea.com/localnews/ci_5706275


Seriously though. Abuse of perscription drugs is no better than abusing illegal ones. People like you only make it harder for physicians to discern who actually needs drugs like adderall for letigimate purposes and thus harder for legitimate patients to get perscriptions for it.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

Dude he has ADD, isn't that what Adderall is for?

I can't tell you anything bout adderall, i've never taken it myself or know anyone who actually uses it because they have ADD. I'm against most presciption drugs in general. Maybe try some kind of meditation or something?

[aislephive]

Why just take adderall when you could be like William Gustafik who's daily regiment started with coffee + Ativan, followed quickly by lines of cocaine with a chaser of testosterone injections and testosterone gel smeared on his thighs. He'd do this to get himself ready so he could play online poker all day and to get through the long days of live tournament play...

http://www.insidebayarea.com/localnews/ci_5706275


Seriously though. Abuse of perscription drugs is no better than abusing illegal ones. People like you only make it harder for physicians to discern who actually needs drugs like adderall for letigimate purposes and thus harder for legitimate patients to get perscriptions for it.

Who said I intend to abuse it, or that it's not being used for a legitimate purpose? Your entire post is incredibly ignorant and fucking stupid, frankly.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Adderall = cocaine
Seriously figure out another way to focus. I saw that thread on 2p2 and I shook my head. That shit fucks you up.

[aislephive]

Adderall = cocaine
Seriously figure out another way to focus. I saw that thread on 2p2 and I shook my head. That shit fucks you up.

Adderall is not cocaine. It's speed. And it only fucks up people who are abusing it, namely people who are using it without a prescription.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I'm just telling you, I just did a research paper on ADD and adderall is a fucked up drug. I was just saying cocaine because that shit is bad for you. If you want to do it fine, im sure it'll help when your using it.

I don't get why you think it's different whether or not you have a prescription, its still bad shit. It's bad for you and there are other ways that are a lot more fufilling and healthy for improving your focus.

[aislephive]

I'm just telling you, I just did a research paper on ADD and adderall is a fucked up drug. I was just saying cocaine because that shit is bad for you. If you want to do it fine, im sure it'll help when your using it.

I don't get why you think it's different whether or not you have a prescription, its still bad shit. It's bad for you and there are other ways that are a lot more fufilling and healthy for improving your focus.

It matters because it works different with everybody. Some people it will work great for with little side effects, while it might just do the opposite for somebody else. That's how most prescription medicine works, everybody reacts differently to it. If that weren't the case then they wouldn't be prescription, they would be OTC (over the counter).

I'm not saying the shit isn't bad for you. I'm just saying the stance your taking is kind of biased. Have you ever taken it before? I've had several people tell me they really liked it and it helped them, while some people said they experienced negative side effects and/or it isn't effective for them, or it's overly effective.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I havent taken it myself, ive had friends tell me never to take it ever who have tried it, and i've done research on it.
I will never likely support anyone taking it so that's why im being so harsh. I'd like to convince you to find another way to better your focus but if you want to take adderall go ahead. I'm just not going to say its okay.
But then again, you dont need my support, its your decision and i wish you the best!

[|~|ypermegachi]

shouldn't this be something you should be discussing with your doctor, rather than over a forum with people not qualified to answer the question?

[a500lbgorilla]

ADD is the dumbest shit ever. I could probably be diagnosed with ADD tomorrow without really answering anything untruthfully.

[aislephive]

shouldn't this be something you should be discussing with your doctor, rather than over a forum with people not qualified to answer the question?

Anybody who has taken Adderall is qualified to tell me how it affected them. Why does it have to be a doctor? That's silly logic. Of course ideally I have a doctor sitting next to me who can tell me the pros and cons of adderall. But that's just not practical and personal experiences are just as useful as anything a doctor can tell me if not more so in some cases.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

Why just take adderall when you could be like William Gustafik who's daily regiment started with coffee + Ativan, followed quickly by lines of cocaine with a chaser of testosterone injections and testosterone gel smeared on his thighs. He'd do this to get himself ready so he could play online poker all day and to get through the long days of live tournament play...

http://www.insidebayarea.com/localnews/ci_5706275


Seriously though. Abuse of perscription drugs is no better than abusing illegal ones. People like you only make it harder for physicians to discern who actually needs drugs like adderall for letigimate purposes and thus harder for legitimate patients to get perscriptions for it.

Who said I intend to abuse it, or that it's not being used for a legitimate purpose? Your entire post is incredibly ignorant and fucking stupid, frankly.

Ignorant? I apologize. I forgot I'm talking to the person that's an expert after getting their information on the drug from posts on 2+2.

I suggest you get your head out of your ass. Using a precsription drug for anything other than its intended and approved purpose is abuse. I'd think that if you were that concerned about your ADD then you would have been more proactive in getting treatment for it. Instead you saw some post on 2+2 about people using Adderall and playing poker and are trying to use the fact that you were previously diagnosed with ADD as an excuse to try and get some. If that's what you want to do then so be it. At least be honest enough to call it what it is and not try to justify it with some bullshit excuse.

Adderall is not cocaine. It's speed. And it only fucks up people who are abusing it, namely people who are using it without a prescription.

Adderall is an amphetamine. It is, as you said, "speed". Cocaine is benzoylmethylecgonine. They're different classses of drugs, however, they both increase catecholamines like dopamine in synapses and are generally CNS stimulants. To say that side effects from ampthetamine, or any other drug, aren't experienced by people taking it responsibly is incredibly ignorant. Try telling that to a cancer patient that's so sick from their chemo treatments that they can hardly move.

Anybody who has taken Adderall is qualified to tell me how it affected them. Why does it have to be a doctor? That's silly logic. Of course ideally I have a doctor sitting next to me who can tell me the pros and cons of adderall. But that's just not practical and personal experiences are just as useful as anything a doctor can tell me if not more so in some cases.

And you have the nerve to call me ignorant? You generally strike me as an intelligent person but that statement is simply retarded. If I sit in a hand against sbrugby at $300/$600 am I then suddenly qualified to give him advice? To imply that a layperson is qualified to give you advice concerning Adderall is beyond irresponsible. The average person couldn't even tell you how an OTC drug like aspirin works, let alone Adderall. Relying on anecdotal evidence to make a decision regarding taking a prescription drug is just asking for trouble. If you want information on Adderall don't solicit advice on an gambling forum or listen to what some random person has to say on 2+2. |~|ypermegachi is right. You should be discussing this with your physician. It is practical. That's how you get the prescription.

Many people think Adderall is safe simply by virtue of it being presribed to so many people with ADHD. That just because it's safe for one person to use it's automatically safe for everyone. This view leads to usage thats unsupervised, random and unregulated. That's a recipe for problems. Prescription drugs are controlled for a reason.

Our society is so obsessed with looking for shortcuts and instant gratification. "Gee... 'I'm really lazy and unfocused in general.' Instead of approaching my shortcomings in a more constructive manner I think I'd rather take some drug because 'I've read a little about adderall just on 2p2 using the search function and think it can help me a lot.' " People like you illegitmize both the people that actually need Adderall and the efforts of those that try to treat them.

[Galapogos]

^^^ quality rebuttal.

[aislephive]

Ignorant? I apologize. I forgot I'm talking to the person that's an expert after getting their information on the drug from posts on 2+2.

I suggest you get your head out of your ass. Using a precsription drug for anything other than its intended and approved purpose is abuse. I'd think that if you were that concerned about your ADD then you would have been more proactive in getting treatment for it. Instead you saw some post on 2+2 about people using Adderall and playing poker and are trying to use the fact that you were previously diagnosed with ADD as an excuse to try and get some. If that's what you want to do then so be it. At least be honest enough to call it what it is and not try to justify it with some bullshit excuse.

Who are you the fucking moral police? I'm taking the prescribed amount for the purpose of being motivated and focused, I'm not abusing shit. And no I didn't just randomly see a post about adderall on 2p2 and say to myself oh wow I need to get some of this, what's the best way for me to get this? I've done research about it and my whole intent of posting here and on 2p2 was to find out how others experiences with adderall have gone, preferably in regards to poker.

Adderall is not cocaine. It's speed. And it only fucks up people who are abusing it, namely people who are using it without a prescription.

Adderall is an amphetamine. It is, as you said, "speed". Cocaine is benzoylmethylecgonine. They're different classses of drugs, however, they both increase catecholamines like dopamine in synapses and are generally CNS stimulants. To say that side effects from ampthetamine, or any other drug, aren't experienced by people taking it responsibly is incredibly ignorant. Try telling that to a cancer patient that's so sick from their chemo treatments that they can hardly move.

Adderall is a million times safer than cocaine, just because they both work similarly and have some of the same things in them doesn't make them the same. And wow, keep coming off as a total tool. I NEVER said that people taking prescription drugs responsibly can't be harmed, I said those who take them irresponsibly OR without a prescription are much more likely to be affected adversely.

Anybody who has taken Adderall is qualified to tell me how it affected them. Why does it have to be a doctor? That's silly logic. Of course ideally I have a doctor sitting next to me who can tell me the pros and cons of adderall. But that's just not practical and personal experiences are just as useful as anything a doctor can tell me if not more so in some cases.

And you have the nerve to call me ignorant? You generally strike me as an intelligent person but that statement is simply retarded. If I sit in a hand against sbrugby at $300/$600 am I then suddenly qualified to give him advice? To imply that a layperson is qualified to give you advice concerning Adderall is beyond irresponsible. The average person couldn't even tell you how an OTC drug like aspirin works, let alone Adderall. Relying on anecdotal evidence to make a decision regarding taking a prescription drug is just asking for trouble. If you want information on Adderall don't solicit advice on an gambling forum or listen to what some random person has to say on 2+2. |~|ypermegachi is right. You should be discussing this with your physician. It is practical. That's how you get the prescription.

I take everything I read or hear with a grain of salt, I've done research of my own so don't assume my only knowledge of adderall is on a couple poker forums. And again, who said I was relying on what a couple people wrote to make a decision for me? I was just looking for some experiences with adderall or anything else helpful. I obviously will plan on speaking to some qualified people if I do go ahead and get the prescription.

Many people think Adderall is safe simply by virtue of it being presribed to so many people with ADHD. That just because it's safe for one person to use it's automatically safe for everyone. This view leads to usage thats unsupervised, random and unregulated. That's a recipe for problems. Prescription drugs are controlled for a reason.

Our society is so obsessed with looking for shortcuts and instant gratification. "Gee... 'I'm really lazy and unfocused in general.' Instead of approaching my shortcomings in a more constructive manner I think I'd rather take some drug because 'I've read a little about adderall just on 2p2 using the search function and think it can help me a lot.' " People like you illegitmize both the people that actually need Adderall and the efforts of those that try to treat them.

In conclusion, fuck off you stupid know it all cunt I'll do whatever the fuck I want to.

PS: I actually just got a couple 18 milligram adderall pills from a friend, so I'm going to try it out now. 5 pills at once is plenty, right?

[IowaSkinsFan]

Dude just be happy everyone here is giving you the exact opposite opinion you want so you can be more sure of your own.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Doggz #2?

[thizzSantaCruz]

Why don't you just rail some blow....same side effects, more expensive, cooler.

[aislephive]

Dude just be happy everyone here is giving you the exact opposite opinion you want so you can be more sure of your own.

I didn't give you any grief because you didn't come off like an ass, where as DNIYE came off like a total tool, hence my post. I don't take kindly to know it all douchebags, period.

[bode]

Dude just be happy everyone here is giving you the exact opposite opinion you want so you can be more sure of your own.

I didn't give you any grief because you didn't come off like an ass, where as DNIYE came off like a total tool, hence my post. I don't take kindly to know it all douchebags, period.

i dont really care either way, but in the majority of the posts i read of yours, you come off as a "know it all douchebag".

[|~|ypermegachi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall

wikipedia is your friend.

Adderall is classified as a Schedule II controlled substance. guess what? cocaine is also in the same category. there are 5 categories, and adderall is in the 2nd worst. Schedule I is worse, and has heroine, and (hmmm marijuana's in here, but let's just ignore that) other bad things.

anyways, that means adderall is a "drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse."

Anybody who has taken Adderall is qualified to tell me how it affected them. Why does it have to be a doctor? That's silly logic. Of course ideally I have a doctor sitting next to me who can tell me the pros and cons of adderall. But that's just not practical and personal experiences are just as useful as anything a doctor can tell me if not more so in some cases.

and you've probably noticed that everyone here are giving suggestions based on NOT having taken the drug, but on how likely it can screw you over.

also, there is probably a bias towards people who respond positively, because those people will still have a brain to control and post on a forum.

PS: I actually just got a couple 18 milligram adderall pills from a friend, so I'm going to try it out now. 5 pills at once is plenty, right?

this could potentially be one of the dumbest decisions you've made in your life.

[IowaSkinsFan]

*Sigh this can't end well.

[aislephive]

i dont really care either way, but in the majority of the posts i read of yours, you come off as a "know it all douchebag".

Thanks, I try.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall

wikipedia is your friend.

Adderall is classified as a Schedule II controlled substance. guess what? cocaine is also in the same category. there are 5 categories, and adderall is in the 2nd worst. Schedule I is worse, and has heroine, and (hmmm marijuana's in here, but let's just ignore that) other bad things.

anyways, that means adderall is a "drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse."

I'm well aware. The fact remains adderall is being used on every college campus in america and very few people have been seriously harmed from it. And the majority of the ones that have abused it tremendously by overdosing or using another drug like cocaine. Adderall is much safer than all of the drugs you compared it to, period.

and you've probably noticed that everyone here are giving suggestions based on NOT having taken the drug, but on how likely it can screw you over.

also, there is probably a bias towards people who respond positively, because those people will still have a brain to control and post on a forum.

Seems to me like the overwhelming majority of the people who respond positively (not just on this forum but several others in previous threads on this topic) have tried adderall for themselves. The people who think it's bad and are bringing up wikipedia links and other various articles are the ones who have no experience with the drug at all.

PS: I actually just got a couple 18 milligram adderall pills from a friend, so I'm going to try it out now. 5 pills at once is plenty, right?

this could potentially be one of the dumbest decisions you've made in your life.

No, I'm pretty sure it doesn't compare to the 15 minutes I spent replying to DaNutsInYoEye.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I'm wouldnt be surprised if you just dug your own grave on this forum AP (I don't think you care at this point)

[a500lbgorilla]

I've snorted adderall. Felt tingly. It was real mild and some time ago so I can't really give a detailed description. I've never used it to help me focus or play poker.

[|~|ypermegachi]

Adderall is much safer than all of the drugs you compared it to, period.

i had nothing to do with the comparison. you have the Department of Justice and the Department of Health and Human Services to thank for that.

The people who think it's bad and are bringing up wikipedia links and other various articles are the ones who have no experience with the drug at all.

are you suggesting that people like us should be telling you to "give a try and see what happens?" that would seem pretty irresponsible.

anyways, it's pretty obvious you've already made up your mind before posting this. hopefully everything works out as you intended.

[Galapogos]

Seems to me like the overwhelming majority of the people who respond positively (not just on this forum but several others in previous threads on this topic) have tried adderall for themselves. The people who think it's bad and are bringing up wikipedia links and other various articles are the ones who have no experience with the drug at all.

Pretty much every illegal drug when it first came out was welcomed with this kind of acclaim from all it's users though.

[IowaSkinsFan]

When someone is passionate about something and make a dickish response your just as responsible for it as the person who posted it.

[aislephive]

Adderall is much safer than all of the drugs you compared it to, period.

i had nothing to do with the comparison. you have the Department of Justice and the Department of Health and Human Services to thank for that.

The people who think it's bad and are bringing up wikipedia links and other various articles are the ones who have no experience with the drug at all.

are you suggesting that people like us should be telling you to "give a try and see what happens?" that would seem pretty irresponsible.

anyways, it's pretty obvious you've already made up your mind before posting this. hopefully everything works out as you intended.

Look, adderall is quickly becoming one of the most popular drugs in America, that's a fact. I can go to any college campus in America and get some adderall if I wanted to. My point is that it's not nearly as terrible for you as some people are making it out to be. It's definitely not healthy and I'd be better off just adjusting my lifestyle and start dieting and excercising. I'm not arguing that, or that using adderall as a means to fuction is optimal, it's far from it and I know that.

The entire purpose of this thread was to get opinions and somebody to chime in who has experience with adderall. I have had people tell me it's bad for me and some that have said it's extremely helpful. I have not said anything bad towards the people who said adderall was bad, I just said things to DaNutInYoEye because he was being an asshole. Everybody is trying to get involved now which is unnsessecary.

Iowaskinsfan, please stop posting in this thread. All you're doing is fueling the fire and not adding anything. You don't know me so stop judging me, thanks.

[|~|ypermegachi]

Look, adderall is quickly becoming one of the most popular drugs in America, that's a fact. I can go to any college campus in America and get some adderall if I wanted to. My point is that it's not nearly as terrible for you as some people are making it out to be. It's definitely not healthy and I'd be better off just adjusting my lifestyle and start dieting and excercising. I'm not arguing that, or that using adderall as a means to fuction is optimal, it's far from it and I know that.

Look, heroine is quickly becoming one of the most popular drugs in America, that's a fact. I can go to any shady area in America and get some heroine if I wanted to. My point is that it's not nearly as terrible for you as some people are making it out to be. It's definitely not healthy and I'd be better off just adjusting my lifestyle and start dieting and exercising. I'm not arguing that, or that using heroine as a means to fuction is optimal, it's far from it and I know that.

i don't mean to be an ass, but using opinions as a basis of whether something is good or bad probably isn't a good idea. anyways, i'm done with this. nothing constructive can come out of this thread anymore.

[ensign_lee]

Aislephive:

I don't know why you even posted this thread. It's clear that your mind was made up before you ever posted it and that all you were looking for were responses like "aderoll is cool!!!11!!! take it!!!!!1!!"

The drug you're trying to convince us all that it's ok to abuse (yes; you're abusing it) was made with the intent of helping people that couldn't function normally in society (couldn't concentrate at all, etc). You can obviously function normally, but just want to have it to boost your awareness (in studying or poker, whatever).

If you want to lie to yourself, so be it, but don't lie to us all and say that you need adderall.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

I don't understand where you get off getting pissed at people that respond to you when you create a thread soliciting advice. No one was being a douchebag until you chimed in with the insults. You're being hypersensitive because I'm telling you something you didn't want to hear. The tone of the thread seemed fine to me until you called me "ignorant" and said what I wrote was "fucking stupid."

Who are you the fucking moral police?

Yes, I am. Badge number 54176.

I'm taking the prescribed amount for the purpose of being motivated and focused, I'm not abusing shit. And no I didn't just randomly see a post about adderall on 2p2 and say to myself oh wow I need to get some of this, what's the best way for me to get this? I've done research about it and my whole intent of posting here and on 2p2 was to find out how others experiences with adderall have gone, preferably in regards to poker.

No, you're not taking the prescribed amount unless you went to a physician and he prescribed it for you. Taking someone elses prescribed amount is not the same thing. If I get something like percocet or skelaxin from a friend I'm still abusing it regardless if I take the same dose that was prescribed for him or her. Taking a presribed drug that wasn't prescribed to you is drug abuse.

Adderall is a million times safer than cocaine, just because they both work similarly and have some of the same things in them doesn't make them the same.

I feel safe in assuming that you don't have the background in pharmacology to make ridiculous statements like that. You're just pulling random numbers out of your ass. I wasn't even debating the comparative safety profile of the drugs anyways and I never said they were the same. I was simply trying to remind you that Adderall is a controlled drug for a reason because you seemed to trivialize the safety of taking it. A controlled (scheduled) drug is one whose use and distribution is tightly controlled because of its abuse potential or risk. Controlled drugs are rated in the order of their abuse risk and placed in Schedules by the Federal Drug Enforcement Administration. There are five schedules (I-V). Schedule I drugs have a high abuse risk. These drugs have no safe, accepted medical use in the United States. Drugs like PCP, LSD, heroin, etc. fall into this category. Schedule II drugs also have with a high abuse risk and can cause severe psychological or physical dependence. Since they have medical uses though they're legal, although tightly controlled. Narcotics are placed in Schedule II. So is Adderall. Other prescription drugs fall into schedules III-V based upon subsequently less abuse potential.

And wow, keep coming off as a total tool. I NEVER said that people taking prescription drugs responsibly can't be harmed

it ONLY fucks up people who are abusing it

You did say it. Who's the tool?

I take everything I read or hear with a grain of salt, I've done research of my own so don't assume my only knowledge of adderall is on a couple poker forums. And again, who said I was relying on what a couple people wrote to make a decision for me?

I didn't assume anything. You said it yourself...

I've read A LITTLE about adderall JUST on 2p2 using the search function and think that it can help me a lot.

Don't try to tell me I'm putting words in your mouth when all I did was reply to what you directly said. Don't try to say you take things you read with a grain of salt either if you're going to resort to telling people that what they wrote is "fucking stupid" and that they're a "cunt". What you said doesn't particularly bother me. It makes you a hypocrite though when you say things such as that and then exercise no self control.

In conclusion, fuck off you stupid know it all cunt I'll do whatever the fuck I want to.

In conclusion, I suggest that the next time you post something like this that you mention that you're only interested in hearing one side of the story and that people that are going to tell you differently should keep their mouth shut. Maybe that way you can keep yourself from getting worked up over something so minor. There was no reason for you to come off like you are.

[bigred]

This thread needs a group hug.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

I have not said anything bad towards the people who said adderall was bad, I just said things to DaNutInYoEye because he was being an asshole.

You need to re-read my first post. I wasn't being an ass. I don't think I particularly was in my rebuttal either, but if so it was only in response to the name calling that you initiated.

[Phantaroth]

You can do whatever you want, but as others have said, if you want to do whatever you want - don't ask the internet for permission. Just do it.

I personally have also been diagnosed with ADD in the past, and I refuse to take the medication even for legitimate use. I am sure ADD meds would help me focus while playing Poker, but honestly, I don't drink, I don't smoke, and I don't take medication that is not really needed.

If you don't care about that kinda stuff, go ahead, the forum has been quite clear with what they think of it.

[euphoricism]

Look, adderall is quickly becoming one of the most popular drugs in America, that's a fact. I can go to any college campus in America and get some adderall if I wanted to. My point is that it's not nearly as terrible for you as some people are making it out to be. It's definitely not healthy and I'd be better off just adjusting my lifestyle and start dieting and excercising. I'm not arguing that, or that using adderall as a means to fuction is optimal, it's far from it and I know that.

Look, heroine is quickly becoming one of the most popular drugs in America, that's a fact. I can go to any shady area in America and get some heroine if I wanted to. My point is that it's not nearly as terrible for you as some people are making it out to be. It's definitely not healthy and I'd be better off just adjusting my lifestyle and start dieting and exercising. I'm not arguing that, or that using heroine as a means to fuction is optimal, it's far from it and I know that.

Look, crystal meth is quickly becoming one of the most popular drugs in America, that's a fact. I can go to any college campus in America and get some crystal meth if I wanted to. My point is that it's not nearly as terrible for you as some people are making it out to be. (eds note: I like the leap of logic that just occured. It's definitely not healthy and I'd be better off just adjusting my lifestyle and start dieting and exercising. I'm not arguing that, or that using crystal meth as a means to fuction is optimal, it's far from it and I know that.


Aisle, I think you need some good, old fashioned mare-jee-wanna myself.

[vqc]

how is it that on a website about poker, a game where reasoning is supposed to rule, people wont defer to reason when it comes to other discussions?

[aislephive]

No, you're not taking the prescribed amount unless you went to a physician and he prescribed it for you. Taking someone elses prescribed amount is not the same thing. If I get something like percocet or skelaxin from a friend I'm still abusing it regardless if I take the same dose that was prescribed for him or her. Taking a presribed drug that wasn't prescribed to you is drug abuse.

When did I ever say that I was going to take it unprescribed? I happen to NOW, but that was after you wrote out that long-winded post and you knew nothing about it until I made a joke that I was going to take 5 at once. You assumed that I was going to take it unprescribed, so that's on you bud.

Adderall is a million times safer than cocaine, just because they both work similarly and have some of the same things in them doesn't make them the same.

I feel safe in assuming that you don't have the background in pharmacology to make ridiculous statements like that. You're just pulling random numbers out of your ass. I wasn't even debating the comparative safety profile of the drugs anyways and I never said they were the same. I was simply trying to remind you that Adderall is a controlled drug for a reason because you seemed to trivialize the safety of taking it. A controlled (scheduled) drug is one whose use and distribution is tightly controlled because of its abuse potential or risk. Controlled drugs are rated in the order of their abuse risk and placed in Schedules by the Federal Drug Enforcement Administration. There are five schedules (I-V). Schedule I drugs have a high abuse risk. These drugs have no safe, accepted medical use in the United States. Drugs like PCP, LSD, heroin, etc. fall into this category. Schedule II drugs also have with a high abuse risk and can cause severe psychological or physical dependence. Since they have medical uses though they're legal, although tightly controlled. Narcotics are placed in Schedule II. So is Adderall. Other prescription drugs fall into schedules III-V based upon subsequently less abuse potential.

http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/12883

That was one article that I read yesterday. Yes it is a few years old but still has some relevant info, here is one quote from the article.

" The Journal of Emergency Medicine reported 123 stimulant-related deaths in 2003, Baum says. Of those deaths, he says, a significant number were caused by cocaine use, but "quite a few" teenagers died from amphetamine abuse"

Now I'm no doctor, but I can read the fine print. Most people who are harmed by adderall have abused it by taking too many pills or using them with another drug. I'm not saying that it can't hurt somebody who uses it properly, but you can get hurt doing anything. Thousands of car accidents happen every day (I would know, losing my brother in 2002 to a car accident), but cars are still "generally" safe to use. Not my best analogy but it gets the point across.

And wow, keep coming off as a total tool. I NEVER said that people taking prescription drugs responsibly can't be harmed

it ONLY fucks up people who are abusing it

You did say it. Who's the tool?

Fair enough, but I didn't mean it literally like that. If you were to ask me at that time if you can get hurt using adderall even using it as prescribed, do you think I'd be so naive to say that it was impossible to get hurt?

I take everything I read or hear with a grain of salt, I've done research of my own so don't assume my only knowledge of adderall is on a couple poker forums. And again, who said I was relying on what a couple people wrote to make a decision for me?

I didn't assume anything. You said it yourself...

I've read A LITTLE about adderall JUST on 2p2 using the search function and think that it can help me a lot.

Don't try to tell me I'm putting words in your mouth when all I did was reply to what you directly said. Don't try to say you take things you read with a grain of salt either if you're going to resort to telling people that what they wrote is "fucking stupid" and that they're a "cunt". What you said doesn't particularly bother me. It makes you a hypocrite though when you say things such as that and then exercise no self control.

That was at the time of the post, I've been researching adderall furiously since then trying to get as much info as I can on it. But yeah, you can keep taking my words and using them against me because they make me look stupid and you smart. If the medicine career doesn't work out for you I think you have a bright future in politics.

In conclusion, fuck off you stupid know it all cunt I'll do whatever the fuck I want to.

In conclusion, I suggest that the next time you post something like this that you mention that you're only interested in hearing one side of the story and that people that are going to tell you differently should keep their mouth shut. Maybe that way you can keep yourself from getting worked up over something so minor. There was no reason for you to come off like you are.

I've never said a negative word to anybody who has expressed disinterest in adderall. It was YOUR ignorant post that pissed me off. And in case anybody hasn't seen it, here it is.

Why just take adderall when you could be like William Gustafik who's daily regiment started with coffee + Ativan, followed quickly by lines of cocaine with a chaser of testosterone injections and testosterone gel smeared on his thighs. He'd do this to get himself ready so he could play online poker all day and to get through the long days of live tournament play...

Seriously though. Abuse of perscription drugs is no better than abusing illegal ones. People like you only make it harder for physicians to discern who actually needs drugs like adderall for letigimate purposes and thus harder for legitimate patients to get perscriptions for it.

So basically, you start your fallacious post with an incredibly ignorant paragraph that might as well have read "Why not just take various pills and snort coke instead like xxxx who did this to play online poker all day."

THEN you accuse me of abusing adderall and say it's "people like me" who make it harder for legitimate people to get prescriptions for adderall. Now, keep in mind this is in response to my ORIGINAL post, and was completely unwarranted.

I came off like an asshole because honestly I took offense to what you said. I don't like when people try to judge me without knowing me or make insane accusations. I apologize for my crude remarks as they were in bad taste. But in the future you should try to get your point across with less tasteless humor and hostility.

And for the record, I've posted this on 2p2, LiquidPoker, cardrunners, and here. I didn't sit there and defend adderall every time somebody said something negative about it. I got into an argument with you about it which spreads through basically the whole thread which makes it look that way, when it's not the truth at all.

[|~|ypermegachi]

heh, i need to take 1 more shot at this thread.

Jackie Kurta, an Alcohol and Drug Specialist at UC Santa Barbara’s Student Heath Services states, “Students start out taking study drugs one time to study. The drugs work so well that the students begin to lose confidence in their own abilities to study without them,” (Hirschey).

replace abilities to study and what not with ability to play poker well, and we may have a problem.

[aislephive]

^ Yes, that's true and it's a definite risk involved. I never said the pills were perfect or had no pitfalls or bad side effects.

Look, adderall is quickly becoming one of the most popular drugs in America, that's a fact. I can go to any college campus in America and get some adderall if I wanted to. My point is that it's not nearly as terrible for you as some people are making it out to be. It's definitely not healthy and I'd be better off just adjusting my lifestyle and start dieting and excercising. I'm not arguing that, or that using adderall as a means to fuction is optimal, it's far from it and I know that.

Look, heroine is quickly becoming one of the most popular drugs in America, that's a fact. I can go to any shady area in America and get some heroine if I wanted to. My point is that it's not nearly as terrible for you as some people are making it out to be. It's definitely not healthy and I'd be better off just adjusting my lifestyle and start dieting and exercising. I'm not arguing that, or that using heroine as a means to fuction is optimal, it's far from it and I know that.

i don't mean to be an ass, but using opinions as a basis of whether something is good or bad probably isn't a good idea. anyways, i'm done with this. nothing constructive can come out of this thread anymore.

Big difference between what's popular in a shady area in America as opposed to what's popular on college campuses. People use adderall in college to stay up and study for tests or finish long assignements, that's a lot different than people using heroin in the streets of Brooklyn, both the drug and the purpose.

And I think everybody here is using their opinion of whether or not adderall is bad, with some facts thrown in like excerpts of wikiipedia articles. There is a ton of information on the internet about this that have conflicting views about whether or not adderall is good or bad for you, or worth it in general.

Look, crystal meth is quickly becoming one of the most popular drugs in America, that's a fact. I can go to any college campus in America and get some crystal meth if I wanted to. My point is that it's not nearly as terrible for you as some people are making it out to be. (eds note: I like the leap of logic that just occured. It's definitely not healthy and I'd be better off just adjusting my lifestyle and start dieting and exercising. I'm not arguing that, or that using crystal meth as a means to fuction is optimal, it's far from it and I know that.

Yawn. Crystal meth isn't a prescription drug (technically it is, but very few use it and it cannot be refilled) and every use for it on the streets is harmful. That's not a very good argument on your end, crystal meth isn't used by college kids to get good grades, adderall is.

Aislephive:

I don't know why you even posted this thread. It's clear that your mind was made up before you ever posted it and that all you were looking for were responses like "aderoll is cool!!!11!!! take it!!!!!1!!"

The drug you're trying to convince us all that it's ok to abuse (yes; you're abusing it) was made with the intent of helping people that couldn't function normally in society (couldn't concentrate at all, etc). You can obviously function normally, but just want to have it to boost your awareness (in studying or poker, whatever).

If you want to lie to yourself, so be it, but don't lie to us all and say that you need adderall.

No my mind wasn't made up, but I'll admit I do have a bias because I'm hoping that it could help me. But I have not turned my head away from those who think it's harmful and I shouldn't take it. One person in particular took that stance (DaNutsInYoEye) and I got into an argument with him, which makes it look like that. But it's not true at all, I do want all responses if they're civil. If the only reason you don't like adderall is because in general you don't like to use "drugs" then you have an immediate bias against it and nullifies whatever you say. I wasn't asking anybody for alternatives to adderall, I was asking for personal experiences with it or anything else that can be considered helpful advice. "Omg drugs are bad, mmkay?" does not qualify as helpful advice, imo.

[Pelion]

ensign_lee has said almost everything I wanted to say.

Why not put some effort in and try to fix your attitude yourself instead of trying to rely on a quick fix. Laziness isnt a disease, its a personality trait that you can change if you want to. Pretending its some sort of disease just takes it out of your hands imo.
Set youself some goals and stick to them without resorting to a drug.

Also arguing that its "safer than cocaine" doesnt make much sense unless someone was suggesting you should take cocaine instead.

@aislephive Fwiw your posts are usually pretty intelligent and interesting but I think youve lost it a little in this thread.

[euphoricism]

And I think everybody here is using their opinion of whether or not adderall is bad

No dude, no one here REALLY gives a shit what you do. No one really gives one flying fuck about it. No one really gives a shit whether adderall is bad for you or not. Let me say it again, WE DONT CARE.

We take offense that youre acting like a douchenozzle.

Man up. You're thinking of using your prior diagnosis when you were younger to get your hands on a prescription drug that you clearly dont feel you NEED. Thats abuse man, its not a big deal. I abused the shit out of alcohol last night, but call a spade a fuckin spade.

Its not our fault you don't want to look yourself in the mirror and say "I abuse prescription drugs" and hey thats fine, we really don't care. I'd bet theres several people who have popped a friends valium, xanax, or oxycontin. I bet theres a few who have done all three. I bet theres a couple who have done all three at once. Not to mention the several people who have openly and plainly stated that they enjoy marijuana.

The point being -- we don't give a shit WHAT you do. But don't ask people's opinions and then bitch at them when you don't like what they say. Man up.

[euphoricism]

Oh one more thing:

And I think everybody here is using their opinion of whether or not adderall is bad

Wasnt this the entire point of the fucking thread?

[|~|ypermegachi]

This thread needs a group hug.

[aislephive]

ensign_lee has said almost everything I wanted to say.

Why not put some effort in and try to fix your attitude yourself instead of trying to rely on a quick fix. Laziness isnt a disease, its a personality trait that you can change if you want to. Pretending its some sort of disease just takes it out of your hands imo.
Set youself some goals and stick to them without resorting to a drug.

Also arguing that its "safer than cocaine" doesnt make much sense unless someone was suggesting you should take cocaine instead.

@aislephive Fwiw your posts are usually pretty intelligent and interesting but I think youve lost it a little in this thread.

Look man, I've tried before to change. I'm convinced that there ARE things wrong with me, I'm not just making it up. Laziness involves me being really tired in the middle of the day and feeling like shit. It's not a "personality trait." I'm not sure if it should be considered "depression" instead (although I don't really feel depressed most of the time) instead, but there are definitely things wrong with me, either physically or emotionally, that cause me to be lazy.

You guys have done a pretty good job of making me look stupid throughout this thread, so I'll give you respect where respect is due. But you'd be better off doing it a live debate where I freeze up and slurr words while putting together an incoherent rebuttal, instead of here where I can just scroll throughout the thread and make you eat your own words (kind of like you guys are doing to me).

For example: "Also arguing that its "safer than cocaine" doesnt make much sense unless someone was suggesting you should take cocaine instead."

Firstly, you ignored everything else I said on the matter, while putting in the part that makes your rebuttal seem legit. I have already said that there are huge differences between stuff like cocaine and heroin, and adderall. What are the main uses of each? Cocaine and heroin are used predominantly to get fucked up, adderall is used in that manner by some, but it's prescribed for speeding up your body and focusing. If tens of thousands of college students are using it and improving their results in school, then it can't be too bad. When doctors start prescribing cocaine to do the same thing, then you can use that argument.

No dude, no one here REALLY gives a shit what you do. No one really gives one flying fuck about it. No one really gives a shit whether adderall is bad for you or not. Let me say it again, WE DONT CARE.

I don't expect you to care, what's your point? Stop trying to act like I give a fuck what you think of me, because I don't.

We take offense that youre acting like a douchenozzle.

The ONLY person who has the right to say that, if anybody at all, is DaNutsInYoEye. I addressed everyone else in a very civilized manner. Don't get it twisted.

Man up. You're thinking of using your prior diagnosis when you were younger to get your hands on a prescription drug that you clearly dont feel you NEED. Thats abuse man, its not a big deal. I abused the shit out of alcohol last night, but call a spade a fuckin spade.

I mentioned me being diagnosed with ADD as a child only because I wanted it be known that I could get a prescription if I felt it were nessecary. What is your definition of need? If you mean it as in, can't live without - then no I don't "need" it. But that's not the point, just because I don't "need" it to live doesn't mean it's abuse if I take it. I'd say that the vast majority of users, prescription or not, do not NEED it. What do you expect from a stimulant drug?

Its not our fault you don't want to look yourself in the mirror and say "I abuse prescription drugs" and hey thats fine, we really don't care. I'd bet theres several people who have popped a friends valium, xanax, or oxycontin. I bet theres a few who have done all three. I bet theres a couple who have done all three at once. Not to mention the several people who have openly and plainly stated that they enjoy marijuana.

I abuse prescription drugs? That's good to know. Glad I know now.

The point being -- we don't give a shit WHAT you do. But don't ask people's opinions and then bitch at them when you don't like what they say. Man up.

Ok, you've said you don't give a shit what I do 6, count it 6 times. What the fuck is the point of your post? To show me that you don't care? If you don't give a "flying fuck" as you so eloquently put it, why did you waste your time posting in this thread?

Oh one more thing:

And I think everybody here is using their opinion of whether or not adderall is bad

Wasnt this the entire point of the fucking thread?

Maybe you could use some reading comprehension to see that I was responding to somebody who was quoted as saying the following:

"i don't mean to be an ass, but using opinions as a basis of whether something is good or bad probably isn't a good idea. anyways, i'm done with this. nothing constructive can come out of this thread anymore."

I just stated the obvious, that everybody is using their opinion in this thread, therefore their basis is just as legit or as worthless as mine. Thanks for playing, though.

[IowaSkinsFan]

people in this forum don't know when to stop jesus christ (and i'm NOT just talking about aislephive).

[aislephive]

Ok, everybody in this thread who I said something bad towards, particularly DaNutInYoEye, I'm sorry. I was out of line. I did not intend for my post to spiral out of control like it did. Some emotions yada yada yada got the best of me. Then everybody and their brother tagged along and I'm sitting here trying to defend myself and my opinions, probably looking like a fool in the process, etc. But whatever, that's past me now and off my back. Doesn't help I'm in a really ugly downswing/breakeven stretch at the moment, either.

I don't think I'm mentally together lately, maybe I need a break from the internets/poker for the time being. Not sure ..

[Galapogos]

Am I too late for the group hug?

[DaNutsInYoEye]

So basically, you start your fallacious post with an incredibly ignorant paragraph that might as well have read "Why not just take various pills and snort coke instead like xxxx who did this to play online poker all day."

THEN you accuse me of abusing adderall and say it's "people like me" who make it harder for legitimate people to get prescriptions for adderall. Now, keep in mind this is in response to my ORIGINAL post, and was completely unwarranted.

I came off like an asshole because honestly I took offense to what you said. I don't like when people try to judge me without knowing me or make insane accusations. I apologize for my crude remarks as they were in bad taste. But in the future you should try to get your point across with less tasteless humor and hostility.

Aislephive, the first part of my original post was sarcasm. I read a thread about that guy earlier in the day on 2+2 and when I read your post later it made me think of that. I even began the next paragraph with "Seriously though..." to make that clear.

From your posts it seemed as though you didn't really care about the ADD and just wanted Adderall specifically for poker. I wasn't trying to attack you, that was just the impression that I got. I apologize for jumping to conclusions.

FWIW I don't really care what you do and I'm sorry if I offended you. I enjoy debating though and when things turned in that direction I was more than willing to participate. I did get a little ugly and I want you to know that what I said was for sake of argument rather than me passing judgement. You're a grown man and are capable of making your own decisions. If you want Adderall so you can focus and play poker for hours at a time then so be it. It seemed like you were using other things to justify getting it and we just called you out on it. Again, I don't think anyone really cares what you do but at least be honest about it and take responsibilty for your actions. That's not solely directed at you. It applies to everyone.

Look man, I've tried before to change. I'm convinced that there ARE things wrong with me, I'm not just making it up. Laziness involves me being really tired in the middle of the day and feeling like shit. It's not a "personality trait." I'm not sure if it should be considered "depression" instead (although I don't really feel depressed most of the time) instead, but there are definitely things wrong with me, either physically or emotionally, that cause me to be lazy.

A lot of things have been said, but realize that some of the points are very valid. This is just further reason why you should go see a doctor. There are innumerable things that could be causing your fatigue.

In high school I would regularly fall asleep in class despite trying to stay awake. My energy levels were always low. Despite sleeping for several hours I would still wake up tired. Initially my father thought I was depressed and he even put me on an antidepressant for awhile. It did nothing for me though. I then got some blood work done and my TSH levels were elevated. It turned out I had hypothyroidism. When my dad told me he actually joked "Well... I always thought you were just lazy." It's not a big deal. I just take a pill for it and within about a month of starting it I felt 10x better.

I'm not implying that this is what's going on with you. My point is that fatigue is in the differential for a hell of a lot of conditions. That's why it's so important to get it checked out. You need to be honest with yourself and your physician so that you can get to the bottom of it.

It seems to come down to that you're not satisfied with the way you're feeling and you want to do something about it. You want to feel and good and you should feel good. Take care of yourself. Go talk to someone.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I really respect your apology aisle, it takes a real good guy to do that.

[IowaSkinsFan]

99.9% of people never apologize at the point you were at in this banter and you did so congrats.

What people need to realize is when a problem like this happens, aislephive and danuts both have to hold themselves responsible.
Aisle could've been been less harsh tolds his replyers and more open to their comments; it's not like your going to change anyones opinion or its not likely.
Danuts could have been less sarcastic to a legitimate question. It came off as really dickish and as much as you think someone deserves it it just makes things a lot worse.

Seriously, conflicts like this dont need to happen as funny as they are.

[bigred]

Am I too late for the group hug?

My place, 10 o clock, bring flowers.

[boost]

People use adderall in college to stay up and study for tests or finish long assignements, that's a lot different than people using heroin in the streets of Brooklyn, both the drug and the purpose.

hitler used a form of speed to boost his energy for speeches and eventually used it multiple times a day to give him an edge in his day to day duties as ruler of the third reich. You are right, theres a huge difference, speed is a drug of upstanding morals, at the small cost of personal health it gets positive things done in this world. Sieg Heil.

.o/

[aislephive]

People use adderall in college to stay up and study for tests or finish long assignements, that's a lot different than people using heroin in the streets of Brooklyn, both the drug and the purpose.

hitler used a form of speed to boost his energy for speeches and eventually used it multiple times a day to give him an edge in his day to day duties as ruler of the third reich. You are right, theres a huge difference, speed is a drug of upstanding morals, at the small cost of personal health it gets positive things done in this world. Sieg Heil.

.o/

I hope you aren't serious.

and this discussion is on adderall, which was introduced in 1996. =/

Adderal wasn't specifically designed to help college kids get good grades, it was designed to improve concentration. Whether or not it's being used to concentrate on plotting another terrorist attack or by a college student to finish his 30 page report is irrelevant.

Man I have a headache ..

[thizzSantaCruz]

this thread sucks.

[Phantaroth]

I think this thread is over, I think everyone should accept OP apology, people say shit on the internet, it's fine. Good luck to fix your downswing.

[Irisheyes]

So are you gonna go get high or what?

[IowaSkinsFan]

dude wtf whats with FTR continuing to berate people after they apologize?

[Irisheyes]

ISF I'f you mean me I'm joking and I know that he knows it from talking on AIM.

[boost]

People use adderall in college to stay up and study for tests or finish long assignements, that's a lot different than people using heroin in the streets of Brooklyn, both the drug and the purpose.

hitler used a form of speed to boost his energy for speeches and eventually used it multiple times a day to give him an edge in his day to day duties as ruler of the third reich. You are right, theres a huge difference, speed is a drug of upstanding morals, at the small cost of personal health it gets positive things done in this world. Sieg Heil.

.o/

I hope you aren't serious.

and this discussion is on adderall, which was introduced in 1996. =/

Adderal wasn't specifically designed to help college kids get good grades, it was designed to improve concentration. Whether or not it's being used to concentrate on plotting another terrorist attack or by a college student to finish his 30 page report is irrelevant.

Man I have a headache ..

serious? Idk.. just kinda fun throwing nazis into discussions and Ill use any excuse to say "SIEG HEIL"

[IowaSkinsFan]

lol no i didnt mean u irish.

[aislephive]

People use adderall in college to stay up and study for tests or finish long assignements, that's a lot different than people using heroin in the streets of Brooklyn, both the drug and the purpose.

hitler used a form of speed to boost his energy for speeches and eventually used it multiple times a day to give him an edge in his day to day duties as ruler of the third reich. You are right, theres a huge difference, speed is a drug of upstanding morals, at the small cost of personal health it gets positive things done in this world. Sieg Heil.

.o/

I hope you aren't serious.

and this discussion is on adderall, which was introduced in 1996. =/

Adderal wasn't specifically designed to help college kids get good grades, it was designed to improve concentration. Whether or not it's being used to concentrate on plotting another terrorist attack or by a college student to finish his 30 page report is irrelevant.

Man I have a headache ..

serious? Idk.. just kinda fun throwing nazis into discussions and Ill use any excuse to say "SIEG HEIL"

Haha, you know better than to bring that sarcasm crap on the interwebz.

I've tried adderall twice now, and I've gotta say it's more mild than I expected it to be, in a good way. I don't feel too different after I take it, but I do feel way better after I take it, much more focused and motivated. I know it's not the kind of drug you're supposed to be taking daily so I'm going to lay off of it today having taken it the past two days.

The only side effect I've experienced at this point is a prolonged insominia. Now it seems like it's even harder to fall asleep at a decent hour. But whatever, nothing can be perfect in this world.

Also, +9 bi session yesterday in 3k hands. Although to be fair I was -4 buyins the day before that. Either way it's helped me play more hands and with more focus than ever before.

[AHiltz]

The only side effect I've experienced at this point is a prolonged insominia.

Sleep disorders lead to tiredness and lack of concentration. It's lack of concentration that you want to overcome by taking the drug. Oh the irony.

[euphoricism]

euphoricism wrote:
Its not our fault you don't want to look yourself in the mirror and say "I abuse prescription drugs" and hey thats fine, we really don't care. I'd bet theres several people who have popped a friends valium, xanax, or oxycontin. I bet theres a few who have done all three. I bet theres a couple who have done all three at once. Not to mention the several people who have openly and plainly stated that they enjoy marijuana.

I abuse prescription drugs? That's good to know. Glad I know now.

So do you have a prescription yet, or are you still abusing prescription drugs?

[IowaSkinsFan]

i still highly encourage you to not take adderall. I think this is something you're going to regret.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

I know it's not the kind of drug you're supposed to be taking daily so I'm going to lay off of it today having taken it the past two days.

You just keep showing your ignorance. Adderall is suppossed to be taken daily. Unless of course you're referring to people that aren't actually prescribed it which just goes back to point that they shouldn't be taking it to begin with.

It never ceases to suprise me how people can be so willing to put a substance into their body when they're so clueless. How does it feel to step across the line into degeneracy? Thank you for representing online poker players so proudly.

Quit self medicating and go se a doctor. It seriously sounds like you might have a health issue that your trying to help with the Adderall. If so, the adderall likely isn't doing anything other then temporarily mask the symptoms.

[Galapogos]

Here we go again...

[euphoricism]

We're just trying to get aisle to go see a fucking doctor rather than just buying it off some guy he knows!

[Galapogos]

We're just trying to get aisle to go see a fucking doctor rather than just buying it off some guy he knows!

Aren't you the guy that is known to smoke crack recreationally?

[IowaSkinsFan]

[Alexos]

Wow, epic thread, lmao

[boost]

We're just trying to get aisle to go see a fucking doctor rather than just buying it off some guy he knows!

Aren't you the guy that is known to smoke crack recreationally?

wait .. that wasnt euph was it? lololink?


any of you guys remember that one time that doggz posted a thread about an energy drink and almost dieing or something? Or how about that time rippy posted ... well... anywhere..

[euphoricism]

We're just trying to get aisle to go see a fucking doctor rather than just buying it off some guy he knows!

Aren't you the guy that is known to smoke crack recreationally?

What the fuck? No? Wow.