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    Default Algebra / Probability Genius Required

    Can one of you maths geniuses help me solve this problem:

    I am being offered decimal odds on 4 possible outcomes of a race @
    1.79, 5.48, 9.35 & 6.35

    I can work out the implied probabilities from these odds as follows:
    runner A: 1.79 = 55.86%
    runner B: 5.48 = 18.25%
    runner C: 9.35 = 10.69%
    runner D: 6.35 = 15.75%

    The total implied probability comes to 100.55% showing a slight advantage to the bookmaker and thus preventing me from using a dutching system to make this +EV.

    However, I earlier placed a $2 bet on runner A at odds of 2.6 (showing a $3.20 profit if this runner wins). This means I can now use a dutching system to make this +EV in all 4 outcomes. (I threw some bets into the spreadsheet until I came up with A=18, B=7, C=4 & D=6 which appears to work.)

    What formula should I use to work out the best bet sizes to extract most profit from this situation???

    (I am guessing it is something to do with dividing the $3.20 by the .55 overround but am getting lost somewhere....)
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    What the fuck is dutching? This is interesting to me.
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    dutching is where you place a bet on every runner with the stakes adjusted so that all outcomes show a profit. (Named after Al Capone's accountant reputedly)

    In order to successfully apply a dutching system the total implied probability must be <100
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiLo
    dutching is where you place a bet on every runner with the stakes adjusted so that all outcomes show a profit. (Named after Al Capone's accountant reputedly)

    In order to successfully apply a dutching system the total implied probability must be <100
    Gotcha.
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    Dutching sounds dirty.


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    wow I just finished my probability and statistics course 3 months ago and already this makes no sense. The second I left that class room for the last time I left my knowledge there!
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    Is the technical term "arbitrage"?
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    sorry i don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biondino
    Is the technical term "arbitrage"?
    Basically the same thing, I think. Betting both sides with a gaurenteed +EV result as in sportsbetting.
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    Thanks to those who showed an interest:
    I have since confirmed that you can't increase the equity by backing runner A at the new odds.

    If I wish to guarantee a win by dutching the other 3 selections that is fine, but the return will always be limited by the earlier bet.
    i.e. bet sizes should be:
    B = (5.2 / 5.48) = 0.95
    C = (5.2 / 9.35) = 0.96
    D = (5.2/6.35) = 0.82
    producing a guaranteed return of $0.88 on any outcome.

    If i add to runner A at the new odds then dutch it across the other 3 I will return less than $0.88.

    Wish I could express this in terms of algebra though...
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    I never tried to do the math because I haven't been that bored.

    Intuition tells me that if the sum of the odds is > 100% it doesn't really matter how you spread the money profit wise. You could minimize variance, but eV is typically eV in a non-decision based environment.
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