Am I agnostic, atheist or something else?

[wufwugy]

Some kinds of negatives can be proven. Like if you can prove I am in America, you are concurrently proving I am not in Canada. The whole "God" thing plays by the same rules. Every single meaningful thing anybody has ever said about the supernatural is disproven already

[jackvance]

Pascal's wager > Occam's razor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager

In terms of religion, they seem to be opposites. Pascal's Wager is pretty much that what my friend said to me..

Some kinds of negatives can be proven. Like if you can prove I am in America, you are concurrently proving I am not in Canada. The whole "God" thing plays by the same rules. Every single meaningful thing anybody has ever said about the supernatural is disproven already

But you cannot prove that "a diety" doesn't exist.

[wufwugy]

But you cannot prove that "a diety" doesn't exist.

Only some kind of meaningless ones. Once you give a deity a causal relationship with the natural world, it is easily disproven through counter proofs. For example, I know that my light bulbs are not powered by tectonic shifts in the earth's crust because they're powered by electricity. Likewise, we know that there exists no personal god nor one guiding the cosmos.

When we play the game of finding God, it becomes God of the Gaps, which is finding what we do not know then calling that God. There are many problems with this, but one that I rarely see discussed is that doing so creates a completely meaningless god. For example, because we don't know about anything smaller than quarks, it's possible that a deity exists within them or something, but if it were true, this deity would be impotent with respects to anything humanly experiential, thus is entirely meaningless

Basically, we know for a fact that if a deity exists, it is outside the natural world, thus it is meaningless, fundamentally unknowable, and even fundamentally non-existent since the only thing of existence is natural. The supernatural is really just an impossible idea