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						My point was simple and I thought it was pretty clear. 
 
Reality doesn't give a hoot about your best description of it. That the vehicle of probability is so useful in our description of the universe doesn't mean  
 
	
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by  MadMojoMonkey
					 
				 
				that uncertainty dominates the microscopic world 
			
		 
	 
 You shoulda said uncertainty dominates our understanding of the microscopic world. 
 
 
	
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by  a500lbgorilla
					 
				 
				And did you show that probability is what dominates the tiny-verse or did you demonstrate that our best understanding of the tiny-verse is made by the vehicle of probability? 
			
		 
	 
 
	
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by  MadMojoMonkey
					 
				 
				What would be the difference?  I honestly don't know that those are 2 different things. 
			
		 
	 
 The difference is stark. On the one side is us and our brains and how they describe the universe and on the other is the universe and how it is carried across all that is. 
 
The only language that can <perfect metric> describe reality is reality. And we don't speak that.  
 
 
And don't think that I'm leading you with some argument. I'm standing in one spot. 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  MadMojoMonkey
					 
				 
				The long history of the EPR "paradox" has shown that the randomness associated with particle states is thoroughly described by specific probability functions. 
			
		 
	 
 You know it as well as I.
					 
				 
				
			 
			 
		  
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