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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Also, no field theory explanation of matter?
    There is no field theory explanation of matter in classical physics, no. There were field theories for energy at least, and understanding vibrations and waves was the major interest in physics just before Planck, Einstein, Bohr, Schroedinger, Heisenberg, etc. revolutionized the field. Wave equations are solved for fields.

    When it was discovered that particle and wave are synonymous, suddenly matter fields were introduced. It was a hard pill to swallow for established physicists, as were many revolutionary concepts in the early 1900's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    There is no field theory explanation of matter in classical physics, no. There were field theories for energy at least, and understanding vibrations and waves was the major interest in physics just before Planck, Einstein, Bohr, Schroedinger, Heisenberg, etc. revolutionized the field. Wave equations are solved for fields.

    When it was discovered that particle and wave are synonymous, suddenly matter fields were introduced. It was a hard pill to swallow for established physicists, as were many revolutionary concepts in the early 1900's.
    Pardon my ignorance but I was the believe the Higgs Boson was proposed on the basis of field theory.

    Rolling from memory, field theory is the most basic mathematic description of stuff. Fields are everywhere and have value where there is stuff, that stuff represents discrete jumps in specific fields. All fields interact with each other in different ways. The Higgs field exists and is everywhere nonzero, making it unique. Its interaction with the other fields yield mass.

    So, the other natural question is how indivisible are the Lepton, Boson and Quark?
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Pardon my ignorance but I was the believe the Higgs Boson was proposed on the basis of field theory.
    Yes. I see the confusion. Classical physics excludes Einstein's Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, which were developed in the early 1900's. Field theories were known for a while, as the Electromagnetic fields were well understood no later than 1873. As modern physics has developed, it has relied heavily on the use of fields. Fields are just a useful tool to keep track of things.

    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Rolling from memory, field theory is the most basic mathematic description of stuff. Fields are everywhere and have value where there is stuff, that stuff represents discrete jumps in specific fields. All fields interact with each other in different ways. The Higgs field exists and is everywhere nonzero, making it unique. Its interaction with the other fields yield mass.
    A field exists everywhere in space, and is not discreet in this sense. There is no point in space where the field does not have a value. A discrete field would have a value at some points but not others. Like the integers are a discrete set of numbers on a continuous number line.

    Some fields represent discrete quantities, but some represent continuous quantities.

    Stuff is discrete in a sense. As in, "There's one electron in the ground state of that Hydrogen atom". But the field represents something like the position of the electron, which is not discrete. The properties of a particle are represented by probability functions. The position is smeared out over a volume, with high probability density regions and low probability density regions. Ultimately the position/momentum field for any particle is non-zero at all points in space.

    Not all fields interact with each other. Electromagnetic fields do not interact with non-charged particles.

    The explanation of mass is the unique property of the Higgs mechanism.

    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    So, the other natural question is how indivisible are the Lepton, Boson and Quark?
    That's another good question. I am quite curious myself. I'll get back to you on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Ultimately the position/momentum field for any particle is non-zero at all points in space.
    This is poorly worded. I meant to say that the position field for any particle is non-zero over any volume. There are, in fact, sometimes, surfaces which have a zero probability of the particle being there, but no volumes.

    The corresponding momentum field has positive, negative or zero values based on the orientation of the reference frame relative to the average velocity of the particle.

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    That's another good question. I am quite curious myself. I'll get back to you on this.
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    I have found the experiments that showed that protons and neutrons have internal structure (quarks and gluons). I have not found the reason why it is believed that the quarks and gluons do not have internal structure.

    The thing that is daunting: Science is no good at proving a negative.

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