Astonishing action

[xJuergenx]

As a player who's still new to real money online poker i make my first post now because i've seen for one year now very strange things like you all but after a very strange session yesterday i would appreciate your comments to the following situations:

SNG 30 entries 10+1
15 players remaing 10-handed
MP2 raises 4xBB
i fold in CO pos with rags
SB shoves AI
BB shoves AI
MP2 folds
showdown:
SB shows 82o
BB shows 8so
flop: 82J
?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


MTT 500 entries 10+1
later stage (90 players remaining) BB400
i raise 3xBB from hijack with AKs (my stack 4000)
button calls
SB folds
BB moves AI with over 16000
call
button folds
Showndown:
BB A8o
flop 8T2
no A no K.... i'm out against 88

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

SNG 30 entries 10+1
24 players remaing 10-handed
UTG+1 calls
all fold including me
SB raises 4xBB
BB folds
UTG+1 calls
flop:
3Q7 rainbow

instant AI from UTG+1 within 0.2 seconds (seemed without even thinking about it). SB thinks for a few seconds and calls

showdown:
SB TT
UTG+1
Q3s

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

i would appreciate any comments because meanwhile i'm really wondering about such moves. We all can discuss those hands and find one reason or another. Donk moves.... fishes.... but that all doesn't make really sense. Especially a showndown between two AI with 82o with a flop of 82 is something where i don't know really what to say. After a very good start i now will change to another poker room and start a projekt because i have a suspicion and i'll try to find evidence.

[mrhappy333]

stack sizes would help.
along with the Blind Sizes.

[Galapogos]

Doesn't genuine poker content in the community cause it to implode?

[WildBobAA]

lolwow

[mrhappy333]

1 post rant looks like a person thinking onlinepoker is rigged

[XTR1000]

Isn´t Uri Geller the only person allowed to use the word "astonishing"?

[Jack Sawyer]

LOL!

[bikes]

Poker in the commune?

My head asplodes!!!!!

[flomo]

i agree it looks very suspicious and possibly manipulated by the gaming site

please post more so we can confirm the riggedness

[GatorJH]

'Rilla's gonna be PISSED when he sees poker content in his community forum!!! Don't say you weren't warned.

[will641]

'Rilla's gonna be PISSED when he sees poker content in his community forum!!! Don't say you weren't warned.

i wouldnt want a 500lb gorilla coming at me.

[BankItDrew]

online poker is rigged, hence the bad beats.

The reason poker sites do this to the better hand is because the players figures that in the long run they will win, so they come back to play more. The fish on the other hand, get lucky and come back to play more.

See, if the fish lost their chips everytime they got it all in with the worst of it, they'd have to deposit money more frequently.

It's all about keeping the maximum players in the website as possible.

One huge reason sites such as Noble are rigged is because there is no one to police the site. If a fish wins more often than a shark over the course of a 100 hand period, no one can press charges because it's not illegal! Why? because the fine print within the terms of aggreement for the site states that it does not take responsibility for long-term bad beats. So long as the rake is maxed out, they make their max profit.

The trick for us good players to get around this type of bullshit, is to not play against the fish. When this happens, we only play against equal or stronger players and the website goes into a 'neutral' mode, where true poker takes place.

You know how some people cheat in live games? ie signals to teammates, sneaking peaks at cards, dealer collusion with players etc... well, it's a hell of a lot easier to program software incoreectly behind closed doors than to cheat infront of 10 other players.

hope this helps. gl btw and welcome to FTR.

[Galapogos]

There's also bots. But for some reason BankItDrew mysteriously left that out...

[givememyleg]

wheeeeeeeeeeee

[Hawk]

The trick for us good players to get around this type of bullshit, is to not play against the fish. When this happens, we only play against equal or stronger players and the website goes into a 'neutral' mode, where true poker takes place.

Even better, suck enough so that you are placed in "fish mode" by the software, then suck out against better players all day and be just slightly better than the other fish so when you DO hit neutral mode, you have the edge.

[flomo]

The trick for us good players to get around this type of bullshit, is to not play against the fish. When this happens, we only play against equal or stronger players and the website goes into a 'neutral' mode, where true poker takes place.

Even better, suck enough so that you are placed in "fish mode" by the software, then suck out against better players all day and be just slightly better than the other fish so when you DO hit neutral mode, you have the edge.

bingo bango

[xJuergenx]

Well friends i thank you for your comments and i apologize for placing the post in the community forum. Hope that the Gorilla will forgive me but i thought that because this is not about just one single topic in general i would have to place it here. Btw what would be the right place ?

If i got you right that poker sites are judging players by their style of play and decide about the category the player would have to be placed in ????
And because of this decision the poker site decides if the player has to win or how often he has to lose ???? Did i undersatnd this right ? If so i honestly don't understand this and at the end it seems that several players are thinking what i think.

Would be great if somebody could let me have the link to the post about rigged poker sites and would you kindly explain what rigged means in that context ? I'm german and my english isnt that good so i guess i don't understand completely what rigged means.

[BankItDrew]

If i got you right that poker sites are judging players by their style of play and decide about the category the player would have to be placed in ????
And because of this decision the poker site decides if the player has to win or how often he has to lose ???? Did i undersatnd this right ? If so i honestly don't understand this and at the end it seems that several players are thinking what i think.

Would be great if somebody could let me have the link to the post about rigged poker sites and would you kindly explain what rigged means in that context ? I'm german and my english isnt that good so i guess i don't understand completely what rigged means.

You are not alone in thinking that some poker sites are rigged, this is because it is. A friend of mine that worked for an online site (whose name will be left unmentioned for obvious reasons) once told me that he had a part in programming some of the software that they used. He said that there were like 8 or 9 different categories of players that played. Depending on what level of player you were (more based on style than skill), the cards would turn out differently. I was pretty pissed when I heard about this because obviously I'd prefer a legit website! Just like anyone else on here I'm sure...

When I use the word 'rigged,' what I'm referring to is altered software. Faulty software is any software that is programmed in a way that is not 100% random. Hope that helps.

flomo, regarding your bingo bango comment: I thought I was the only person who said that! When I'm playing live and push all in I'll frequently say bingo bango and I always get weird looks or questions from other players.

[mrhappy333]

bingo bango

I haven't heard this in a while. lol
Also in chat the other night, the guy says
Hardy Har har, I loled

[XTR1000]

I'm german and my english isnt that good so i guess i don't understand completely what rigged means.

rigged = manipuliert

[ChrisBCritter]

Juergen, suchen Sie die Seite fuer "rigged". Es ist nicht wahr. Die leute hier macht spass. Lesen Sie alles in die "Beginners" forum was "sticky" ist, und dann koennen Sie wieder hier kommen!

Probieren Sie bitte nicht die "82o" leute zu verstehen. Das kann man nicht tun. Die sind einfach dep. Nimm ihr geld (manchmal) und sag "Danke".

Jeez, I haven't written in German in a while. That was rusty. Welcome to FTR!

[mrhappy333]

English only at the table ,sir

[Jack Sawyer]

Manipuliert, obv.

[spoonitnow]

What site imo

[ChrisBCritter]

English only at the table ,sir

[jyms]

SNG 30 entries 10+1
15 players remaing 10-handed
MP2 raises 4xBB
i fold in CO pos with rags
SB shoves AI
BB shoves AI
MP2 folds
showdown:
SB shows 82o
BB shows 8so
flop: 82J
?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I would email this HH to the site. This guy is cheating. You cna't use wild cards online, that's so unfair.

[shazbox]

Check this one out, this guy is crazy...

Stacks
Me: 1290000
Him: 950000

Blinds $5000/$10000

Dealt to me: AA

He pushes all in. I call

Shows 27o

Flop: 222

Me: FUCK! just got a million dollars

Turn/River: AA

Wooooo, just won a million dollars.

Crazy shit.

[mrhappy333]

wheres the 5 aces pic?

[jyms]

Check this one out, this guy is crazy...

Stacks
Me: 1290000
Him: 950000

Blinds $5000/$10000

Dealt to me: AA

He pushes all in. I call

Shows 27o

Flop: 222

Me: FUCK! just got a million dollars

Turn/River: AA

Wooooo, just won a million dollars.

Crazy shit.

Sucks that you couldn't win the BBJ with this hand

[xJuergenx]

well folks...

seems that some people are thinking that there may be a problem with online poker sites... some don't.

Thank you Chris for your efforts writing in german. Was pretty good what you have written but i don't agree with you. We all now that there are people playing so donkish that you can't believe it sometimes and we all know that quite unbelievable things have happened in the past and will happen in the future when we are talking about poker. People are playing without any logic and because of randomly generated hands the craziest things can and will happen. But the combination of circumstances and facts we are facing leads imo to just one logical explanation. Especially when we think about how something can be realized and what the results are. As i said i have a suspicion and if that would be the truth we could clearly see why so many of those strange things have happened and of course everybody knows why... money. And money always has been the reason for weird things to be happen.

As long as it is me to think about it and if i decide not to continue playing online poker it is pretty much unimportant to anybody. But i want to change to another poker site now and see what happens. The poker rooms i have been (2 in this one year) and i want to change to all have something in common. I would like to convince myself whether i'm crazy or the logical explanation is so simple (and disgusting).

I would appreciate if somebody could tell me if there is a poker site where i maybe can be nearly sure that the site is not rigged and that i will find fair environment.

[ChrisBCritter]

Look at the list of poker sites on the front page of this site. You can be absolutely sure that the highest rated sites are not rigged.

Edit...deleted long rant about sites not being rigged...sigh...

[xJuergenx]

hmmm. the interesting thing is that i am playing actually on one of the top 5 ranked poker rooms on FTR....

another nice hand

cash game 0.50 - 1.00
(have to say that i'm judging my self a tight regular player and i guess my image at the table should be so)

i'm on CO and i raise to 4 with AJs
BB calls

flop 4s9sJd

BB goes immediately AI with his remaining 12$ and i make the call
he flips over
Jh3d

turn 3 !!!!
river T

nice one don't you think ?

[euphoricism]

I can show you hundreds of those, and I can also show you the fact that despite them, I am up over $1,000 this month. And I'm a terrible poker player.

Now, what I want you to realize is that your opponent in that last hand had a 10% chance of winning. That means 1 out of every 10 times he will win.

Further, if you have a hand like QJ, you might fold when he shoves. When viewed in that light, his play, while not good, is not unreasonable. He was semi-bluffing.

It happens.

The next thing you need to learn is that when this happens, youve still made money! If your opponent will win 10% of the time, then you win 90% of the time. That means you've "won" 90% of the pot (not the whole pot!). It takes a while for that math to balance out, but I promise it does.

Welcome to FTR. You have a lot to learn, and I hope you study hard

[meeloche]

As requested:

[euphoricism]

You guys are just tapping the tank here. I think you should stop.

[flomo]

the image would be better if the loser had pocket kings and flopped quads

it seems we only notice when it happens to us and not when we do it to them

and we should be doing it to them also

[xJuergenx]

thank you very much Euphoricism for your comment and i agree with you that i still have a lot to learn. I didn't want to express that the play of my opponent i abnormal and that there is no way to explain such a hand. I just wanted to mention that for 3 weeks now i'm facing such hands every day ! And nearly all of them are won by the opponent with the very next card on the board. I don't know but i don't think that my play was getting worse with a hard cut from one day to another 3 weeks ago. The first weeks is was slowly but constantly increasing my bankroll with a few but light downswings (as it is norm i guess). Since 3 weeks ago i'm unable to win any medium sized pot at the cash tables nor i'm reaching the bubble of SNG tournies and therefore i wonder what happened over night. I don't want to excuse my play by blaming poker rooms and i agree that usually i would fold AJ to a shove but being in a certain classification of the poker room seems to be at least an explanation. Therefore i said i will change the poker romm and see. If my losing streak continues in that very strange way that i know for sure that it is my playing style and that i have no skills. Btw i of course know the thing about 90 to 10% winning rate but what when you lose those hands at 90% of the time for 3 weeks ?

[xJuergenx]

Thanks also to Meeloche for the screenshot... lol
Since the dealer said: twiceasright did win the pot but the hand of the player is convered by the window it would be really interesting with what hand he did win against the 5 aces ^^

[mrhappy333]

As requested:

PokerStars Game #3044245011: Tournament #14705493, $10+$1 Hold'em No
Limit - Level XX (10000/20000) - 2005/11/12 - 22:53:37 (ET)
Table '14705493 44' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: gamblninfla (3550492 in chips)
Seat 5: twiceasright (536880 in chips)
Seat 7: witzy2004 (326768 in chips)
Seat 9: MiketheKid2 (880860 in chips)
22:53:37 gamblninfla: posts the ante 1000
22:53:37 twiceasright: posts the ante 1000
22:53:37 witzy2004: posts the ante 1000
22:53:37 MiketheKid2: posts the ante 1000
22:53:37 Moving Bets to Pot
22:53:37 twiceasright: posts small blind 10000
22:53:37 witzy2004: posts big blind 20000
22:53:37 *** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gamblninfla [Kd Qc]
22:53:37
Dealt to witzy2004 [Ad Tc]
22:53:41 MiketheKid2: folds
22:53:42 albo [observer] said, "i took a bad beat in this tourney"
22:53:43 gamblninfla: raises 40000 to 60000
22:53:43 twiceasright: folds
22:53:46 albo [observer] said, "and it was in this table"
22:53:47 witzy2004: raises 265768 to 325768 and is all-in
22:53:49 gamblninfla: calls 265768
22:53:49 Moving Bets to Pot
22:53:53 *** FLOP *** [5s Ks 4d]
22:53:53 glarnex [observer] said, "qk"
22:53:58 glarnex [observer] said, "3"
22:53:59 *** TURN *** [5s Ks 4d] [3s]
22:54:01 glarnex [observer] said, "7"
22:54:02 *** RIVER *** [5s Ks 4d 3s] [Kc]
22:54:05 *** SHOW DOWN ***
witzy2004: shows [Ad Tc] (a pair of Kings)
22:54:05 gamblninfla: shows [Kd Qc] (three of a kind, Kings)
22:54:06 bighuurt11 [observer] said, "700 for you"
22:54:07 gamblninfla collected 665536 from pot
22:54:08 Dolemite42 [observer] said, "nh"
22:54:08 albo [observer] said, "finished 108"
22:54:08 twiceasright said, "gg"
22:54:09 glarnex [observer] said, "im good"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 665536 | Rake 0
Board [5s Ks 4d 3s Kc]
Seat 4: gamblninfla (button) showed [Kd Qc] and won (665536) with
three of
a kind, Kings
Seat 5: twiceasright (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: witzy2004 (big blind) showed [Ad Tc] and lost with a pair of
Kings
Seat 9: MiketheKid2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #3044243120: Tournament #14705493, $10+$1 Hold'em No
Limit - Level XX (10000/20000) - 2005/11/12 - 22:53:25 (ET)
Table '14705493 44' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 4: gamblninfla (3561492 in chips)
Seat 5: twiceasright (523880 in chips)
Seat 7: witzy2004 (327768 in chips)
Seat 9: MiketheKid2 (881860 in chips)
22:53:25 gamblninfla: posts the ante 1000
22:53:25 twiceasright: posts the ante 1000
22:53:25 witzy2004: posts the ante 1000
22:53:25 MiketheKid2: posts the ante 1000
22:53:25 Moving Bets to Pot
22:53:25 gamblninfla: posts small blind 10000
22:53:25 twiceasright: posts big blind 20000
22:53:25 *** HOLE CARDS ***
22:53:27 witzy2004: folds
22:53:28 gamblninfla said, "not a chance hon..lmao"
22:53:29 MiketheKid2: folds
22:53:30 gamblninfla: folds
22:53:30 Moving Bets to Pot
22:53:33 twiceasright collected 24000 from pot
22:53:35 twiceasright: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 24000 | Rake 0
Seat 4: gamblninfla (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: twiceasright (big blind) collected (24000)
Seat 7: witzy2004 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: MiketheKid2 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[a500lbgorilla]

Good thread, fellas.

[martindcx1e]

lol ya nice thread

[mrhappy333]

You guys are just tapping the tank here. I think you should stop.

is there any glass left, when they are an FTR member?

[jyms]

You guys are just tapping the tank here. I think you should stop.

is there any glass left, when they are an FTR member?

I was going to say, I don't think your using it right.

[martindcx1e]

You guys are just tapping the tank here. I think you should stop.

is there any glass left, when they are an FTR member?

I was going to say, I don't think your using it right.

when in rome

[BankItDrew]

I was just trying to help.

[xJuergenx]

well sometimes i'ts really hard to understand

SNG middle stages
blinds 150/300
i have >4k
villain aroung 7K
ihold AKo on button
villain raises from mp 3xBB
icall
flop K39 rainbow
villain checks
i bet 1800
immediate AI
i cal
villain shows 46o
turn 4
river 6

nice

[BankItDrew]

^^^^
avoid those players

[ChrisBCritter]

^^^^
DON'T avoid those players

FYP