Bigred's Video Game Thread

[Jack Sawyer]

All that's been presented is a case of a dishonest non-disclosure. I haven't seen any definitive evidence of malice. The dishonesty was caught, punished, and corrected. What should have happened instead?

Gone to prison for a long, longass time

I understand that according to the letter of the law, it's not gambling. If you have a problem with that, take it up with lawmakers. Explain to them how the McDonalds monopoly game is ruining kids lives, and needs to be stopped. Start a petition. Get a gofund me page to help all of the afflicted underage gamblers out there.

But DON"T stomp your feet and demand a whole new judicial precedent that expands the definition of gambling, just so it can be used to shut down a perfectly legal business practice that you find distasteful. And I'll reiterate, this concern you seem to have for the children feels really really phony. I know for a fact there were some terrible stories of kids losing shitloads at online poker about a dozen years ago. I'll bet anything that no one on this forum gave a shit.

Of course no one on this forum gives a shit. Does that make it less bad?

Be honest now Jack...let's say hypothetically you took $1,000 from someone in heads-up cash games online. Then later you got a letter from PokerStars saying "Your opponent was actually underage, and it would be nice if you gave the money back". Are you gonna give the money back?

See, shutting down poker to protect kids would take away something you like. But shutting down skin-gambling takes away something you don't like, so now it's ok to invoke the "what about the children" argument.....why?????

Strawman, but I'll bite. You do understand how the blame in this particular strawman falls on Stars right? In proper poker parlance, DUCY?

Not relevant. That was one case 25 years ago. As I see it, your problem here stems from the fact that these guys were not prosecuted aggressively enough, and that the 'slap on the wrist' was not a fitting punishment. How is that relevant to OJ? They charged him with two counts of capital murder, and sought a minimum punishment of life in prison.

There are plenty of bad people who get prosecuted and punished with the full power of the law, every single day. Are you really telling me that your faith in the justice system is shaken because they didn't absolutely destroy the life and livelihood of these kids? Like....is it at all possible in your mind that they're actually good people who just got carried away and made a mistake??

It happened a million years ago, yet he still got away light.

If not, then maybe you should run for attorney general and actually DO something about the problem. Or communicate with your own local judicial authorities and let them know of your concern. If enough people do that, then it will be considered in future cases.

But if you're just gonna sit here and say "NAAAAAH, I don't like that....change it!" Then don't get pissy when no one listens or cares.

Sure, had I been a Yankee

From what I gather, this isn't the same thing as potripper. The superuser problem in poker resulted in people actually losing money through exploitation. There were actual victims, with measurable damages. This skin-gambling thing seems to be limited to a simple non-disclosure in advertising. Not even close.

Like, if potripper owned the site, and was playing on the site, but was doing so in a way that did not give him an advantage....that's still bad. But it is decidedly LESS bad than if he used his superuser status to cheat.

All rise!

Evidence #651 your honor.



So he wins big at his own site. WHAT A COINCIDENCE?

95% of his videos were big wins. I wonder why ...

Oh, and just to help you get your facts straight, it WAS an owner of then UB who did the POTRIPPER-ing. Also the one on Absolute Poker.

Owners, man, never with any malicious intent

https://www.highstakesdb.com/communi...iliar-with-it/
https://www.pokernewsdaily.com/new-e...scandal-10735/

There is obviously a lot of gray area here. Laws can't "refuse" to do something, only people can. If the law is being broken, report it to law enforcement. If it's really a problem, if the law is really being broken, they will do something about it.

But as you are learning....the law is alot more than your own personal narrow understanding of it.

So, you just lay down and take laws? You never dispute anything? If it has been made THE LAW it is correct for you every single time?

So what? Scrambling, desperate denials are not uncommon when people are caught. His denials were proven false, and the FTC acted. So what's the problem?? If the guy has lost credibility in your eyes because of his dishonesty....so be it. He risked his reputation, he lost, and now it's tarnished. I have no problem if you choose to participate in a market response.

Yup, he got caught, and now came the lies and the denials. If you were just "an idiot" doing it "without malice", fess the fuck up. You already got caught with the hand in the cookie jar. That's an extra 20 years right there

Again, that's a crime with identifiable victims and measurable damages.

Do you really really think that these guys should go to jail for a "long, longass time"?

What a silly question