Bush administration trying to finalize UIGEA regs!

[jimmy44]

Guys,

I do not live in the US, but I felt that this was too much important for US poker playes and also world poker players that I should post this here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...9/index13.html

[Kijjo]

Why does the government want to butt their nose into online gaming/gambling?
If they were SMART they would regulate a payment system so they had a reliable way to tax the earnings from betting, thus generating more $ for the gov't. But ofcourse they're not.

[Jack Sawyer]

here we go again


ever thought about live tourneys in the US? the government is your main backer, it seems

[spoonitnow]

The sky is falling

[a500lbgorilla]

Finally, my house is safe!

[spoonitnow]

Rilla the liberal scum strikes again

[jimmy44]

Finally, my house is safe!

Rilla, remember what happened in October 2006? The good thing until now was that there was not yet a definition of what banks should consider unlawful Internet gambling and, therefore, reject the transactions.
Apparently, the regulations defining the unlawfull Internet gambling transations are being finalized, by the Bush Administration, before Obama's will take office on the 20th January! Making it impossible for US players to withdrawal money!

So, if we don't do anything, next year the remaing of the US poker players will stop playing online, which is bad for everyone!!

Following the twoplustwo post I put on my first post you can call the U.S. Federal Reserve and tell them not to approve the UIGEA regulations.

Following this link, you'll be able to make a bit of publicity about this:
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Bu...ght_regulation

[a500lbgorilla]

My deep and highly theoretical sense of humor can yield a wide spectrum of results.

[jimmy44]

My deep and highly theoretical sense of humor can yield a wide spectrum of results.

I knew you were joking
I just wanted to let everyone understand that this is a very serious issue!

[a500lbgorilla]

My deep and highly theoretical sense of humor can yield a wide spectrum of results.

I knew you were joking
I just wanted to let everyone understand that this is a very serious issue!

Maybe my last post was the joke!

[will641]

this is teh suck.

[bode]

http://blogs.cardrunners.com/ezmogee

newest blog entry has a number to call and even gives points to talk about if you dont know what to say. I encourage EVERYONE on this forum to make a call today.

[9999999]

ok so... should i be scared or not? can someone please tell me how scared i should be 1 through 10? (10 being very scared)

[a500lbgorilla]

11

[spoonitnow]

<@spoonitnow> OH NO THE SKY IS FALLING
<@spoonitnow> THERE ARE FLYING MONKEYS AND BILL FRIST IS SHITTING ON EVERYONE'S CARDS
<@spoonitnow> INTERNET POKER IS DOOMED
<@spoonitnow> THE UIGEA IS GOING TO FUCK EVERYONE UP THE ASS WITH A GIANT PLASTIC BASEBALL BAT
<@spoonitnow> lol oh wait had a flashback, thought it was 2006
<@spoonitnow> I wish all these motherfuckers who have been playing for like 6 months would shut the fuck up

[9999999]

<@spoonitnow> OH NO THE SKY IS FALLING
<@spoonitnow> THERE ARE FLYING MONKEYS AND BILL FRIST IS SHITTING ON EVERYONE'S CARDS
<@spoonitnow> INTERNET POKER IS DOOMED
<@spoonitnow> THE UIGEA IS GOING TO FUCK EVERYONE UP THE ASS WITH A GIANT PLASTIC BASEBALL BAT
<@spoonitnow> lol oh wait had a flashback, thought it was 2006
<@spoonitnow> I wish all these motherfuckers who have been playing for like 6 months would shut the fuck up

*true ; xanax is +EV

[will641]

that would be pretty sweet if we could organize a uigea protest on capitol hill and just get a shit ton of poker players to come. WHO IS DOWN?

[zook]

I just called. I waited ~30 seconds to speak with someone and talked to her for ~ a minute. The woman said they've been getting lots of calls today. BUT LET'S GET MORE! The number is 888-851-1920.

If you're too lazy to call, go to this webpage and submit comments:

http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsev.../20071001a.htm

The woman I spoke with said that the Board of Governors told the phone operators that we should submit our comments there if we wanted to ensure our voices were heard.

[9999999]

comment posted- check
make that phone operators life easier by posting instead of calling - check! :/

[drmcboy]

done

[will641]

if anybody is too lazy to do this they dont deserve to be playing online poker. gogogogogo.

it seems like calling would be more effective than posting, cause then they have to actually deal with people. it might actually hit them that this is fucking ridiculous.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

this is insane

[BankItDrew]

i submitted a response plus got some non poker friends to do the same.

[bigspenda73]

done

so pissed about this

[bikes]

Done and Done!

This is some serious garbage.

[a500lbgorilla]

i submitted a response plus got some non poker friends to do the same.

They probably hung up thinking they answered the fax-machine line :/

[wufwugy]

This proposal imposes upon banking institutions the role of law enforcement. Not only is this illegal, it is highly impractical, and it is an undue burden upon the already stressed out banking system.

I implore those of you who hold the law in your hands to delineate to your good judgment when reviewing this proposal.

my comment ^^^^

post your comment to provide motivation and guidance for others plz

[wufwugy]

Not only is this proposal unconstitutional, but it imposes a heavy burden of policing (which is the job of law enforcement, not banks) upon already crippled banks.

Also, not only is the UIGEA overly vague and undefined, it is undefinable. Its passing was a sneaky political move that brinked on disgusting, and it has anti-civil rights written all over it. Millions of tax-paying Americans enjoy the recreation of poker gaming in the privacy of their own homes. Is it not unjust to impose upon our rights when it is perfectly legal at casinos and poker rooms across America?

I hope you take my words and feelings into account when you address the UIGEA.

comment submitted by friend ^^^^^^^^^^

[wufwugy]

this is really just a matter of quantity

if the fed gets enough opposition then they will scratch this thing. a large part of the success of the PPA over the last two years has simply been quantity of calls/emails

[wufwugy]

I am against the finalization of the UIGEA, and here are four reasons why...

1. The banking institutions of our nation should not be focused on internet poker regulations. This is the job of legal entities, yet that is not the proposal of the UIGEA. Even then, it is unfair and dishonest to make something illegal in one's own home which is legal outside one's home.

2. The UIGEA adds additional burdens on our already crippled financial systems. In this time of crisis, the last things we need to do is cripple the economy. What would be the opposite of UIGEA, laws explicitly legalizing and regulating internet poker, would be a huge boon to our economy as it will allow US institutions to get involved in the online community and keep our money here. Not to mention creation of jobs.

3. Internet poker is a game of skill and form of recreation for millions of Americans; it should be exempted from the UIGEA. We watch it on television and we play it in casinos and poker rooms across the country. Why not in our own homes?

4. Please do not finalize the UIGEA regulations until their impact on our banking systems and average Americans has been fully studied. As it is now, the UIGEA is a nondescript collection of impossible to enforce unconstitutional demands backed by disingenuous scaremongering. As we have seen, the passing of the UIGEA in 2006 has not deterred internet poker (as well it shouldn't because it is wrong), and finalizing it will only push poker enthusiasts further underground. As it was with the infamous Prohibition, it does not work. What better way to create the safest internet environment for the American families than to legitimize and regulate what the people want? The people want casinos and poker rooms in local establishments as well as their own homes.

anudder wun

[Galapogos]

i submitted a response plus got some non poker friends to do the same.

They probably hung up thinking they answered the fax-machine line :/

Needs love. I brought it: <3

[a500lbgorilla]

yes! validation!

[jimmy44]

Gogogogogo!!

[EasyT]

A solid legal opinion of the new regulation going into effect January 19, 2009.
http://b2bheaven.com/phpBB2/index.php?page=15

[IowaSkinsFan]

Thats pretty encouraging

[bode]

thats a very encouraging article. although i haven't felt as bad after this issue as I did after the initial UIGEA, reading that makes me realize that maybe this isnt anything different than the last 2 years. Actually, it seems like there's a chance rooms can get "registered" or whatever (mainly KGC rooms like FTP) and can have MORE deposit options than in the past 2 years.

*crosses fingers*

[EasyT]

Additional information suggesting that the new UIGEA is even more impotent than the existing legislation...
http://b2bheaven.com/phpBB2/index.php?page=15

[triumphant cracker]

because i am too lazy i cut n pasted...

I am against the finalization of the UIGEA, and here are four reasons why...

1. The banking institutions of our nation should not be focused on internet poker regulations. This is the job of legal entities, yet that is not the proposal of the UIGEA. Even then, it is unfair and dishonest to make something illegal in one's own home which is legal outside one's home.

2. The UIGEA adds additional burdens on our already crippled financial systems. In this time of crisis, the last things we need to do is cripple the economy. What would be the opposite of UIGEA, laws explicitly legalizing and regulating internet poker, would be a huge boon to our economy as it will allow US institutions to get involved in the online community and keep our money here. Not to mention creation of jobs.

3. Internet poker is a game of skill and form of recreation for millions of Americans; it should be exempted from the UIGEA. We watch it on television and we play it in casinos and poker rooms across the country. Why not in our own homes?

4. Please do not finalize the UIGEA regulations until their impact on our banking systems and average Americans has been fully studied. As it is now, the UIGEA is a nondescript collection of impossible to enforce unconstitutional demands backed by disingenuous scaremongering. As we have seen, the passing of the UIGEA in 2006 has not deterred internet poker (as well it shouldn't because it is wrong), and finalizing it will only push poker enthusiasts further underground. As it was with the infamous Prohibition, it does not work. What better way to create the safest internet environment for the American families than to legitimize and regulate what the people want? The people want casinos and poker rooms in local establishments as well as their own homes.



Not only is this proposal unconstitutional, but it imposes a heavy burden of policing (which is the job of law enforcement, not banks) upon already crippled banks.

Also, not only is the UIGEA overly vague and undefined, it is undefinable. Its passing was a sneaky political move that brinked on disgusting, and it has anti-civil rights written all over it. Millions of tax-paying Americans enjoy the recreation of poker gaming in the privacy of their own homes. Is it not unjust to impose upon our rights when it is perfectly legal at casinos and poker rooms across America?





This proposal imposes upon banking institutions the role of law enforcement. Not only is this illegal, it is highly impractical, and it is an undue burden upon the already stressed out banking system.

I implore those of you who hold the law in your hands to delineate to your good judgment when reviewing this proposal



I hope you take my words and feelings into account when you address the UIGEA.

thank you wufwugy for posting your comments so i can feel as good as you when you send it....

i could hug you.....

[EasyT]

4. Please do not finalize the UIGEA regulations until their impact on our banking systems and average Americans has been fully studied. As it is now, the UIGEA is a nondescript collection of impossible to enforce unconstitutional demands backed by disingenuous scaremongering. As we have seen, the passing of the UIGEA in 2006 has not deterred internet poker (as well it shouldn't because it is wrong), and finalizing it will only push poker enthusiasts further underground. As it was with the infamous Prohibition, it does not work. What better way to create the safest internet environment for the American families than to legitimize and regulate what the people want? The people want casinos and poker rooms in local establishments as well as their own homes.

Too late, bub.

The final rule becomes effective January 19, 2009. If there is any doubt that this is one of those last minute regulations being pushed through by the Bush White House, look at the date. When Barack Obama is sworn in as president the next day he may or may not be able to undo these regs.