circumcised or uncircumcised?

[bode]

some co-workers and I were discussing this the other day. One with 3 boys said none of his kids were circumcised at birth and that its becoming increasingly more common not to.

so, which are you?

im cut myself.

[Alexos]

really?

[Fnord]

Both of my kids are uncut.

[Deanglow]

i am not getting my kids cut

[Deanglow]

although it sucks I heard a lot of ladies dont like uncut

[d0zer]

I'm uncut, but have never even had a broad notice.

I'm a rare breed, known as a half-toquer. I don't get the anteater effect. Most of the time unless the lil' dude's totally gone into his shell, the skin isn't even covering the head at all, and when it is shelled (after swimming), it's only 1/3-1/2 covering the head.

[zook]

cut, but not planning on cutting my kids, unless they do something really bad

[wufwugy]

im cut, any kids will be uncut

the idea that women dont like it as much is dumb. we only know this because of what women say and we all know that not only are women compulsive liars but theyre mostly just guessing. plus it makes no diff to them as long as they like you and you groom but they dont say this because they need to perpetuate the idea that they're a great mystery

[d0zer]

cut, but not planning on cutting my kids, unless they do something really bad

"If you kids don't cut it out back there, I'm turning this car around and heading straight for the nearest rabbi"

[donkbee]

the idea that women dont like it as much is dumb. we only know this because of what women say and we all know that not only are women compulsive liars but theyre mostly just guessing.

LOL, oh really?

Anyway I've had guys with both and as long as the uncircumcised guy is clean, it makes no difference. Actually I might even like it better uncircumcised in this case.

The problem is that he has to clean WAY more often, and if he hasn't cleaned himself really recently and you wanna go down on him, it kinda sucks because it can smell bad. So it might make spontaneous blow jobs less frequent. Which is never fun ...

Any boys I have will be cut no question.

[givememyleg]

i hear sex feels better when youre uncut, and im cut

[d0zer]

The problem is that he has to clean WAY more often, and if he hasn't cleaned himself really recently and you wanna go down on him, it kinda sucks because it can smell bad.

Showering daily is more than enough which I thought was fairly normal for most of us smelly-ass guys

I haven't seen dickcheese since I was 4 and refused to bathe.

You make it seem like we've gotta run to the bathroom 4 times a day & stick our dicks in the sink.

The smell doesn't build up any faster than it does on your skinflaps & that never stopped me from going down there

[dalecooper]

Cut and lovin' it. All your kids are gonna be gross, motherfuckers.

[wufwugy]

hygiene is an amazing thing. not only does it involve washing often but not forgetting to pull skin back when pissing, pulling skin back when bathing etc. on the same note that all women are inveterate liars, all men think their hygiene is immaculate when its often far from.

[Warpe]

an anteater and proud of it. kids are uncut as well.

the women I've been with have said the prefer uncut once they've met Elvis.

[bigspenda73]

why has everyone who is circumcised saying they will not do it to their children?

I'm jewish, 'nuff said.

[zook]

the women I've been with have said the prefer uncut once they've met Elvis.

Waaaay too creepy. I may not be able to sleep tonight.

[Warpe]

the women I've been with have said the prefer uncut once they've met Elvis.

Sexaaayy! I may not be able to sleep tonight.

fyp

[spoonitnow]

I'm uncut. And in response to Courtiebee, I think it's common courtesy for a dude to wash off the end of his dick before he tries to get his dick sucked, unless it's a random bitch in the club or something, in which case I could care less.

[a500lbgorilla]

i'm half and half

[d0zer]

i'm half and half

oh like me?

Awesome. Let's start a support group or something.

[bode]

im also surprised at everyone that is cut saying they wont have there kids cut. whats the reasoning behind this?

[bode]

not judging btw, just curious.

[zook]

im also surprised at everyone that is cut saying they wont have there kids cut. whats the reasoning behind this?

there's no good medical reason for it, so unless you're a jew, why perform unnecessary surgery on your son's special purpose?

[wesrman]

i'm half and half

oh like me?

Awesome. Let's start a support group or something.

Im in.

[a500lbgorilla]

when yer really old, it helps keep a seal so your 80yr old fling doesnt need to get as wet.

[wufwugy]

because cut is unnecessary and uncut = thicker

[XTR1000]

im uncut just as my kids will be

[BankItDrew]

i'm cut, but i think i'll leave it as is for my kids when i have them. reason being, sex will feel better + more protection when in the pants.....

or that's what i heard.

[UG]

why wasn't there a poll?



cut, my kids will be cut

[ATOTHEC101]

uncut ftw!

[chardrian]

I figured all the foreigners would be uncut, I'm surprised that there are as many U.S. flappers.

I am uncut - and u can make a nice ricotta when you don't clean.

[lolzzz_321]

im uncut just as my kids will be

[ProZachNation]

i'm half and half

oh like me?

Awesome. Let's start a support group or something.

I am this as well. Wasn't sure if I was cut or uncut for awhile.

I think us half and halfers got best of both worlds. Don't got the ant eater which looks gross (no offense), I personally shower everyday and have always needed no extra maintenance to stay clean.

But we also get the extra sensitivity, well I guess I dunno how you can really judge unless you get cut when you are older.

[jyms]

I'm Cut, my kid isn't. He can choose his own doctor and make his own choice when he gets older.

It's that way because I think he should have his own choices.

[Ragnar4]

I'm cut, and my kid will be cut because I had to suffer through it.

Dammit!

[gabe]

regardless of what you are, do you remember the first time you saw one that was the opposite

i remember being surprised

[Thunder]

Any boys I have will be cut no question.

Anyone else perturbed by this? I think that's pretty selfish and out of order. As a parent (let alone a female) your kids dicks shouldn't be of your concern and cutting flesh off for any reason (even religious IMO) is out of order. And especially so if you aren't religiously inclined.

What valid reasons could you possibly have for having this attitude? Fashion? For the supposed benefits of future girlfriends when it comes to blow job duties? FFS!

Sex is better for the guy with foreskin for 2 main reasons:

1) the foreskin is loaded with nerve endings.
2) with it removed, the glans develop a form of "hard skin" which lessens the sensations even more.

Also, from my experience, wanking with the skin going back and forth is way more pleasurable than with the skin fully retracted. And it make's a big difference.

And as for cleanliness, that's exactly what the foreskin is for so that argument is dead in the water. Then there's the simple fact that nature designed men this way. So to permanently alter at birth is very wrong.

If your boys don't wash they don't get action, simple. But leave it up to them whether or not they wanna chop off what nature gave them, before you wade in and mutilate them on your own whim and affecting their sexual pleasure.

That's like guys saying any daughter they have is gonna have breast implants - none of their goddamn business!

[wesrman]

I am uncut - and u can make a nice ricotta when you don't clean.

OMG im disgusted and laughing at the same time.

[bode]

why wasn't there a poll?

i fail at poasting obv

[BankItDrew]

why wasn't there a poll?

i fail at poasting obv

make a poll right now mang

[BennyLaRue]

My kids are uncut. I have girls.

Egypt can kiss my ass.

[mrhappy333]

BME pain olympics, cut or uncut.

[bode]

why wasn't there a poll?

i fail at poasting obv

make a poll right now mang

done.

now everyone vote so we can have proper FTR historic documentation

[Ragnar4]

Any boys I have will be cut no question.

Anyone else perturbed by this? I think that's pretty selfish and out of order. As a parent (let alone a female) your kids dicks shouldn't be of your concern and cutting flesh off for any reason (even religious IMO) is out of order. And especially so if you aren't religiously inclined.

What valid reasons could you possibly have for having this attitude? Fashion? For the supposed benefits of future girlfriends when it comes to blow job duties? FFS!

Sex is better for the guy with foreskin for 2 main reasons:

1) the foreskin is loaded with nerve endings.
2) with it removed, the glans develop a form of "hard skin" which lessens the sensations even more.

Also, from my experience, wanking with the skin going back and forth is way more pleasurable than with the skin fully retracted. And it make's a big difference.

And as for cleanliness, that's exactly what the foreskin is for so that argument is dead in the water. Then there's the simple fact that nature designed men this way. So to permanently alter at birth is very wrong.

If your boys don't wash they don't get action, simple. But leave it up to them whether or not they wanna chop off what nature gave them, before you wade in and mutilate them on your own whim and affecting their sexual pleasure.

That's like guys saying any daughter they have is gonna have breast implants - none of their goddamn business!

Yeah Thunder, but:

Sex is better when a guy is cut for the woman because:

1) He'll last longer than 30 seconds because of the two reasons that you described.
2) She won't have to worry about cheese.

I mean we talk about Male Genital Mutilation like we talk about Female Genital Mutilation like they are the same thing.. But believe me, they are lightyears apart.

[Xianti]

[ProZachNation]

prozach.gif

you are so sued

[BankItDrew]

1) He'll last longer than 30 seconds because of the two reasons that you described.

So this is why I prematurely ejaculate all the time.

[Thunder]

Sex is better when a guy is cut for the woman because:

1) He'll last longer than 30 seconds because of the two reasons that you described.
2) She won't have to worry about cheese.

Awww please........

Even if you believe this, it's still no goddamn right of any body else to interfere.

I mean we talk about Male Genital Mutilation like we talk about Female Genital Mutilation like they are the same thing.. But believe me, they are lightyears apart.

Dunno who said it was the same, I certainly didn't. But the principle is still the same - altering without prior consent. And for reasons that have fuck all to do with you.

Gah!

[Ragnar4]

Sex is better when a guy is cut for the woman because:

1) He'll last longer than 30 seconds because of the two reasons that you described.
2) She won't have to worry about cheese.

Awww please........

Even if you believe this, it's still no goddamn right of any body else to interfere.

I mean we talk about Male Genital Mutilation like we talk about Female Genital Mutilation like they are the same thing.. But believe me, they are lightyears apart.

Dunno who said it was the same, I certainly didn't. But the principle is still the same - altering without prior consent. And for reasons that have fuck all to do with you.

Gah!

Seriously?

It's my choice for my children as a father. Either for religions reasons, or health reasons.

You have just as much right to tell me I shouldn't as I have to tell you that you should. There are plusses and minuses to both sides, don't let my devils advocacy tilt you Thunder.

People get a serious stick up their ass when we talk about circumcision, and "holy roller it's such a terrible thing, in fact, it's probably one of the worst things you can do to a kid, circumcise him."

You wanna talk about genital mutilation, let's talk about what goes on in the amazon among some of the tribes down there. A 15 yo girl who is freshly married, on her day of honeymoon goes through a ritual with her husband. The ritual sees her husband UNLACING her labia that were sewn shut by her father at the tender age of menstruation. Moreover, the piece of bark that's been sewn trapped underneath her labia preventing any sort of entrance is removed, showing years of scar tissue and some other unpleasant nastyness.

Then they have sex.

THEN her husband puts it all back up there and sews her shut again!

Don't even try to tell me these things are unrelated. You wanna take care of genital mutilation, start at the warzone and move your way up. Can't solve problems at the top.

I don't even remember getting cut. Moreover I'm glad I was, because I would have been one of those kids who got a nasty infection... They couldn't even make me wash behind my ears and brush my teeth, you honestly think I'm gonna pull back my sheath and wash something that hurts when you put soap on it????

oh yeah...

GAH!

[Kits]

Cut and they will probably be cut. Personally I couldn't care less but the Missus wants them cut so I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.....

[Chopper]

I don't even remember getting cut. Moreover I'm glad I was, because I would have been one of those kids who got a nasty infection... They couldn't even make me wash behind my ears and brush my teeth, you honestly think I'm gonna pull back my sheath and wash something that hurts when you put soap on it????

ding ding ding. we have a winner.

my kids are cut. they screamed like hell, but they were a day old, too. but, ask them now, and they'll tell you they dont remember.

leave it up to an 18yo kid and God only knows who/what will influence his decision. ...most likely laziness. just like most guys wont get snipped, because of associated "pain," i doubt any adult will go to a doctor and say, "hey, clean my cheese, and while youre at it, just fix this problem permanently. whaddya say, doc?"

hey, snippity snip...new poll?

[BennyLaRue]

You know what is a good time? Fun threads. This is not one of those threads. But here I think it appropriate to share the sage words of a man from a long time ago. He said:

Now, the world don’t move to the beat of just one drum,
What might be right for you, may not be right for some.
A man is born, he’s a man of means.
Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans.

But they got, Diff’rent Strokes. It takes, Diff’rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff’rent Strokes to move the world.

[bigred]

I think when men talk about their wangs logic goes out the door and its a pissing contest....


FWIW, I'm cut and so will my kids....go hug a tree hippies

[dick_pump]

cut me mick,cut me!!



also its kinda funny your "poll" is talking about "poles"

get it?

[yourfather]

Ask me about MY WEEEEEEENER. weird thread imo.

[wesrman]

FWIW, I'm cut and so will my kids....go hug a tree hippies

You act like its natural to be cut.

Anyone that cuts their kids cock is a freak imo.

[Aces]

Cut and cut.

There are certainly two sides to the issue but there are valid reasons either way. And of course you as a parent have the right to make that decision just like the bazillion other decisions, big and small, you make that will affect their lives.

[Andrew]

Cut and any boys I'll have are going to be cut too. There are too many positives and (almost) zero negatives.

[wufwugy]

im pretty amazed at all those saying theyre gonna get their kids cut. lets look at what circumcision actually is...

for all you bleeding heart nancies, circumcising an infant is massively barbaric, and if anybody were to perform a similar or even much minor act upon a child that wasnt erroneously condoned by the retards that call themselves humans they would be put in prison for a long time. this is non-anesthesia surgery performed on newborn boys we're talking about here. if i slap your baby will i go prison for over a decade? no doubt. if you pay a doctor to cut your baby's skin while it screams and wails and you wait in the other room with nothing but hopes and dreams will anybody go to prison?

infant circumcision is wildly immoral, end of story.

but it doesn't end there, it doesnt even begin

the true purpose behind circumcision we may never know, but we can estimate very accurately. its either, but likely a combination of both, due to lack of hygiene in primitive pre-modern societies, and as a mode of curbing sexual exuberance in pre-modern societies.

just because your great-great-great-great-great grandfather was too lazy or too ignorant to pull his foreskin back when he urinated so as to not piss on himself and trap moisture and bacteria sufficient enough to cause disease doesnt mean that that you should be just as lazy or ignorant.

just because our religious semi-origins taught us that sex is evil and we're committing abominations unto our god whenever we permit ourselves to succumb to the will of satan by being more sexually aware than our precious doctrine commands doesn't mean we should too listen to that foolish nonsense.

people nowadays incorrectly equivocate the more nerves of foreskin with cumming faster, and then bunk that since they already cum too quickly. well first, learn how to control your fucking self, and second, increased sexual pleasure in no way means climax is achieved quicker.

do you not find it curious that the purpose of female circumcision is to curb sexual appetite? do you not figure that male circumcision may have a similar purpose? even so it doesnt matter what we rationalize since the empirical evidence is in and it concludes that circumcision reduces penile sexual sensitivity.

not to mention that when the foreskin is intact the PENIS IS BIGGER. and not only bigger but its THICKER and thats what matters the most

will never cease to amaze me how a society that is so abundantly fixated on penis size and sex can so carefree lop off an hugely important part of the penis in both those regards.

after you allow this http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/plastibell.htm to be done to your boy please submit yourself to be hanged, or actually please try to learn from your ignorance and create a better world for your progeny.


sorry for the hostility, im in a hostile mood. i guess being bombarded by illogical and unscientific thought has that affect, and my fuse has been teased repeatedly today


oh and for those of you who say uncut dicks smell worse, well they dont. either the man genetically had a smellier dick than others you know, or he didnt understand genital hygiene that well


cliffnotes for spoon: marklar

[wufwugy]

wow i am so fucking mad

reading more and more about what foreskin actually is, and i am becoming more and more angered at what the superstitious foolish wackos in control of my birth and infancy did

the statement that theres a bunch of positives with circumcision and almost no negatives is the opposite of true. there are almost no positives and tons of negatives. and those negatives are pretty fucking big. thats what you get when you chop off over 50% of the EROGENOUS ZONE OF THE PENIS YOU FUCKERS

i wonder if other hominid species annihilated themselves by using great illogics. maybe homo erectus went extinct because they got the bright idea that their gods wanted them to chop off their balls. that shit sounds stupid but no doubt that type of thing is responsible for many small populations becoming extinct

[aka_red]

cut, my kids will be cut

[bigred]

"hi, i'm wufwugy"

[aka_red]

im convinced that wuf just copy pastes his TLDR posts from some wimmenz forum.

[d0zer]

im convinced that wuf just copy pastes his TLDR posts from some wimmenz forum.

I'm convinced you c/p all of your posts from the troll's handbook.

I was playing 200NL with you the other day btw. According to PT I've won $14 from you so...pwnt?

[aka_red]

im convinced that wuf just copy pastes his TLDR posts from some wimmenz forum.

I'm convinced you c/p all of your posts from the troll's handbook.

I was playing 200NL with you the other day btw. According to PT I've won $14 from you so...pwnt?

sn or it didnt happen. also u got aim/msn?

[chardrian]

You know what is a good time? Fun threads. This is not one of those threads. But here I think it appropriate to share the sage words of a man from a long time ago. He said:

Now, the world don’t move to the beat of just one drum,
What might be right for you, may not be right for some.
A man is born, he’s a man of means.
Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans.

But they got, Diff’rent Strokes. It takes, Diff’rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff’rent Strokes to move the world.

Little known fact - the composer (and possibly singer) of this song is Alan Thicke aka Jason Seaver from Growing Pains (I think he did Facts of Life too).

[Sykedupp]

for all you bleeding heart nancies, circumcising an infant is massively barbaric, and if anybody were to perform a similar or even much minor act upon a child that wasnt erroneously condoned by the retards that call themselves humans they would be put in prison for a long time. this is non-anesthesia surgery performed on newborn boys we're talking about here. if i slap your baby will i go prison for over a decade? no doubt. if you pay a doctor to cut your baby's skin while it screams and wails and you wait in the other room with nothing but hopes and dreams will anybody go to prison?

I agree with your post, but your logic isnt quite on here.. using this logic, one could then say that a doctor performing a mammogram can be charged with molestation, and a surgeon doing a boob job can be charged with assault with a deadly weapon (a scalpal [sp?]) and also molestation, etc etc. I do agree, and although I am cut, my kids probably wont be.

-Chris

[chardrian]

So I asked my wife about this today (she's an ob/gyn). As far as pain goes it looks like both sides of the argument tend to exagerate just a wee bit. She says many docs don't give anasthetic at all because the shot hurts just as much as the snipping. From what she's seen, a pinky with sugar water is used as a pacifier - most of them cry when being snipped, but she's been surprised that a couple haven't. And all of the ones she's seen calm down after it's done. She equated it more on the spectrum of ear piercing than to an amputation (I think it's got to be a little worse than an ear piercing). That said, she agrees that unless there are religious beliefs behind it, it is simply an unnecessary cosmetic procedure. But people frequently cause themselves pain for cosmetics (piercings, tatoos, etc.).

I guess I think there are more important things in the world to get your panties in a bunch over than this.

[wufwugy]

for all you bleeding heart nancies, circumcising an infant is massively barbaric, and if anybody were to perform a similar or even much minor act upon a child that wasnt erroneously condoned by the retards that call themselves humans they would be put in prison for a long time. this is non-anesthesia surgery performed on newborn boys we're talking about here. if i slap your baby will i go prison for over a decade? no doubt. if you pay a doctor to cut your baby's skin while it screams and wails and you wait in the other room with nothing but hopes and dreams will anybody go to prison?

I agree with your post, but your logic isnt quite on here.. using this logic, one could then say that a doctor performing a mammogram can be charged with molestation, and a surgeon doing a boob job can be charged with assault with a deadly weapon (a scalpal [sp?]) and also molestation, etc etc. I do agree, and although I am cut, my kids probably wont be.

-Chris

sorry man but thats not the case. however i appreciate attempting to evaluate my logic since there's nothing i despise more than incorrect logic.

youre describing scenarios where the patient is willing, as well as where anesthesia may be applicable. im describing scenarios where the patients (infant boys) are unwilling as well as no anesthesia is used. the lack of anesthesia is probably healthier for the boys, but that doesnt change the fact that their flesh is sliced off while completely sober and coherent. my logic is just fine

[Sykedupp]

Fair enough. My personal belief is that a parent/guardian has the right to choose what they seem fit for an infant boy, as obviously the infant cannot choose for itsself. But, not all people think like me Also remember, neither of us knows what an infant wants or doesnt want.. although common sense would suggest that cutting part of your dick off goes in the "unwanted" column.

[wufwugy]

So I asked my wife about this today (she's an ob/gyn). As far as pain goes it looks like both sides of the argument tend to exagerate just a wee bit. She says many docs don't give anasthetic at all because the shot hurts just as much as the snipping. From what she's seen, a pinky with sugar water is used as a pacifier - most of them cry when being snipped, but she's been surprised that a couple haven't. And all of the ones she's seen calm down after it's done. She equated it more on the spectrum of ear piercing than to an amputation (I think it's got to be a little worse than an ear piercing). That said, she agrees that unless there are religious beliefs behind it, it is simply an unnecessary cosmetic procedure. But people frequently cause themselves pain for cosmetics (piercings, tatoos, etc.).

I guess I think there are more important things in the world to get your panties in a bunch over than this.

personally i couldnt care less about that particular point i made, but i made it to point out disruptions in the masses' rationale, and because its the type of thing that most other people care about except somehow they dont realize its applicable in circumcisions.

even then this is a great example of arbitrary morality. forcing this type of a procedure on an adult would result in the perpetrator spending many years in prison (even if its the equivalent to a piercing). somehow this does not apply to newborns.

you are right that there are better things to get panty wadded over. i was hanging out with the fam the whole day yesterday, and they're a bunch of bigots, so yea

[wufwugy]

Fair enough. My personal belief is that a parent/guardian has the right to choose what they seem fit for an infant boy, as obviously the infant cannot choose for itsself.

in a way i completely agree, however as a whole i do not.

the most natural thing is to let humans have complete control over their young offspring just like all other animals do. this would involve things like a mother is allowed to smother her child if its born with a severe birth defect or something.

however, the reason i am against your reasoning is because unlike all other species, homo sapiens are capable of amazing evil. if human mothers/fathers were given complete reign over their young then we'd be seeing some of the most horrible acts in the world

[Sykedupp]

Agree. Unfortunately thats what we have evolved into, so your logic is definately sound. Now the question becomes: Where do we draw the line? Is it OK for the odd genital mutilation, retarded baby sacrifice, etc? or do we have no control?

-Chris

[spoonitnow]

So I asked my wife about this today (she's an ob/gyn). As far as pain goes it looks like both sides of the argument tend to exagerate just a wee bit. She says many docs don't give anasthetic at all because the shot hurts just as much as the snipping. From what she's seen, a pinky with sugar water is used as a pacifier - most of them cry when being snipped, but she's been surprised that a couple haven't. And all of the ones she's seen calm down after it's done. She equated it more on the spectrum of ear piercing than to an amputation (I think it's got to be a little worse than an ear piercing). That said, she agrees that unless there are religious beliefs behind it, it is simply an unnecessary cosmetic procedure. But people frequently cause themselves pain for cosmetics (piercings, tatoos, etc.).

I guess I think there are more important things in the world to get your panties in a bunch over than this.

personally i couldnt care less about that particular point i made, but i made it to point out disruptions in the masses' rationale, and because its the type of thing that most other people care about except somehow they dont realize its applicable in circumcisions.

even then this is a great example of arbitrary morality. forcing this type of a procedure on an adult would result in the perpetrator spending many years in prison (even if its the equivalent to a piercing). somehow this does not apply to newborns.

you are right that there are better things to get panty wadded over. i was hanging out with the fam the whole day yesterday, and they're a bunch of bigots, so yea