Congress set to vote next week on Internet gambling ban

[zook]

Because the commune gets a lot more traffic than the Gaming Legislation forum...

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...an-t72241.html

[Jack Sawyer]

This is it, folks.
This is it.

You already got a lot of shit shoved down your throats, such as the recent blocking of the whole alt.* branches because "child porn has been found on 88 of the 100,000+ groups".

Don't let retardedness guide you. Stick it to the man.


Revolt people, revolt. Make sure your voices are heard.

[will641]

whoa whoa whoa guys. hold on just one minute. congress is actually like, working? what changed?

[zook]

whoa whoa whoa guys. hold on just one minute. congress is actually like, working? what changed?

It's the 4th Thursday of the 6th month!

[Da GOAT]

so if they pass it, is everything legal or is there other shit to go thru

[badgers]

cmon cmon cmon cmon fishpond onetime!!!

[will641]

so if they pass it, is everything legal or is there other shit to go thru

i dont know. what i do know is its a government process. therefore, it will be painfully long and inefficient, almost certainly.

[bigred]

Because the commune gets a lot more traffic than the Gaming Legislation forum...

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...an-t72241.html

bring back neteller amirite?!?!?!

[meeloche]

cmon cmon cmon cmon fishpond onetime!!!

[Lukie]

so if they pass it, is everything legal or is there other shit to go thru

i dont know. what i do know is its a government process. therefore, it will be painfully long and inefficient, almost certainly.

couldn't have said it better myself.

[Lukie]

actually i would have removed the word 'almost', making it a slightly more accurate statement

[badgers]

apparently its a tie watever that means.

[pankfish]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...ZgCgAD91HDHVO4

Lawmakers disagree over defining online gambling

By ERICA WERNER – 3 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Lawmakers failed Wednesday to agree on setting a clear definition of illegal Internet gambling to go along with a ban on online betting passed in 2006.

The Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department have been unable to finalize rules to implement the ban because Congress didn't clearly define online gambling when it passed legislation less than two years ago.

The House Financial Services Committee voted Wednesday on legislation to require federal regulators to write a uniform definition of which types of gambling should and should not be allowed on the Internet, followed by new rules implementing the ban. The tie vote, 32-32, meant the legislation failed under committee rules.

Senate Republicans, pushed by then-Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee, had attached the online gambling ban to an unrelated port security bill in a rush of year-end legislation in 2006.

Banks and other financial institutions have complained that they are being forced into a law enforcement role because the Internet gambling ban prohibits them from accepting payments to settle online wagers without giving them a clear set of rules.

"The financial institutions are in the position of being told not process bets, but it's not clear what is legal and what is illegal," said Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., the committee's chairman. He said financial institutions had been given "a job that is undoable."

The committee's top Republican, Rep. Spencer Bachus of Alabama, argued that gambling is the fastest-growing addiction in the United States and having it online makes it accessible to children.

"The banks have decided that this is a financial burden," Bachus said. "We have decided, on the other hand, that our children are worth protecting."

Internet gambling already was considered mostly illegal in the U.S., but the games are played by many U.S. residents on sites hosted overseas in a business worth more than $15.5 billion a year. U.S. bettors have been estimated to provide at least half that revenue.

The 2006 congressional ban sought to outlaw Internet gambling by blocking payment methods for it, but didn't offer a clear definition everyone could agree on, instead referring to existing federal and state laws which themselves provoke differing interpretations.

The measure that fell to defeat Wednesday was by Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y.

[euphoricism]

This is it, folks.
This is it.

You already got a lot of shit shoved down your throats, such as the recent blocking of the whole alt.* branches because "child porn has been found on 88 of the 100,000+ groups".

Don't let retardedness guide you. Stick it to the man.


Revolt people, revolt. Make sure your voices are heard.

Thats not exactly true..

[BankItDrew]

I have always been more interested in US politics than with Canadian.

I really hope this situation turns out the way it should - free choice.

[will641]

words cant express how frustrated i am with government right now. i mean online poker just skims the surface on things they do because they think they know whats fucking best for myself and society. and in all fairness, it comes from both sides of the aisle, just with different laws/regulations.

[Keilah]

hahaha a tie US Gov't FTW

[Jack Sawyer]

This is it, folks.
This is it.

You already got a lot of shit shoved down your throats, such as the recent blocking of the whole alt.* branches because "child porn has been found on 88 of the 100,000+ groups".

Don't let retardedness guide you. Stick it to the man.


Revolt people, revolt. Make sure your voices are heard.

Thats not exactly true..

Then explain to me what is true. Cuomo didn't order Verizon to block the shit for the State of New York for this exact and specific reason, and now other States, such as California, are following suit?

What is true, euphoricism?

[Phantaroth]

Looks like I was right when I said this wouldn't make it out of committee (Almost, though!)

[2_Thumbs_Up]

Ron Paul on this bill:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32cfWI008W0

[BankItDrew]

Ron Paul on this bill:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32cfWI008W0

ron paul ftw

i've seen a few different videos of him and they make me wish he was the leader of the world. It's because he supports free choice and minimizing government intervention.

[Jack Sawyer]

Ron Paul is the bestest.

Someone tell me again why/how McCain is the Republican canidate?

[wufwugy]

because rp is the bestest

[2_Thumbs_Up]

Ron Paul is the bestest.

Someone tell me again why/how McCain is the Republican canidate?

Because media didn't want him to win. They blocked him out, censored some of his best speeches and constantly called him unrealistic and unelectable.

At one GOP debate RP wasn't even invited, though candidates who came lower than him in polls were.

[wufwugy]

in WA state RP got second at the caucus trailing by only 2%, but the news didn't even list him

[will641]

Ron Paul is the bestest.

Someone tell me again why/how McCain is the Republican canidate?

Because media didn't want him to win. They blocked him out, censored some of his best speeches and constantly called him unrealistic and unelectable.

At one GOP debate RP wasn't even invited, though candidates who came lower than him in polls were.

i think the bigger thing is he has 0 name recognition.

[2_Thumbs_Up]

Ron Paul is the bestest.

Someone tell me again why/how McCain is the Republican canidate?

Because media didn't want him to win. They blocked him out, censored some of his best speeches and constantly called him unrealistic and unelectable.

At one GOP debate RP wasn't even invited, though candidates who came lower than him in polls were.

i think the bigger thing is he has 0 name recognition.

There's no coubt he was marginalized in media though. At a time when he had raised more money for the last quarter than any other GOP candidate and were out-polling Rudy Guiliani, Fox News decided to exclude him from a debate. Jay Leno took him on his show the next day and talked about it cause he thought it was too unfair. Here's a vid of the Jay Leno interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-FTUfH4BPA

Also, stuff like this got censored from the televised debates:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlacFmRGPgI

[will641]

interesting. i havent heard fox news response to it, so i dont want to pass a judgment on it.

[Miffed22001]

Because the commune gets a lot more traffic than the Gaming Legislation forum...

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...an-t72241.html

bring back neteller amirite?!?!?!

wait. what. it left?

[ATOTHEC101]

for americans it did.

[bode]

so is this thing dead in the water or does it have a chance of being looked at again at some point?

[Jack Sawyer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-FTUfH4BPA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlacFmRGPgI

oh. my. god.

ron paul. every issue spot on.

he is the man.

[Jack Sawyer]

for ronnie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbb6RgSvKDc&NR=1


bonus = around 3:34 you see why hillary was such a lying and conniving bitch

[pankfish]

Ron Paul is the bestest.

Someone tell me again why/how McCain is the Republican canidate?

Because media didn't want himJ to win. They blocked him out, censored some of his best speeches and constantly called him unrealistic and unelectable.

At one GOP debate RP wasn't even invited, though candidates who came lower than him in polls were.

i think the bigger thing is he has 0 name recognition.

Right, and this couldn't have anything to do with the media going out of there way to not cover his candidacy and if they ever did cover him making sure they mentioned that he couldn't win.

Jesus Christ, they acted like Fred Thompson was a legitimate candidate while ignoring Ron Paul.

[wufwugy]

is there anything as shameful as what the media/repubs did to rp?

[will641]

Ron Paul is the bestest.

Someone tell me again why/how McCain is the Republican canidate?

Because media didn't want himJ to win. They blocked him out, censored some of his best speeches and constantly called him unrealistic and unelectable.

At one GOP debate RP wasn't even invited, though candidates who came lower than him in polls were.

i think the bigger thing is he has 0 name recognition.

Right, and this couldn't have anything to do with the media going out of there way to not cover his candidacy and if they ever did cover him making sure they mentioned that he couldn't win.

Jesus Christ, they acted like Fred Thompson was a legitimate candidate while ignoring Ron Paul.

you know, your opinion of who should be president, does not reflect who the nation sees as a legitimate candidate.

[pankfish]

you know, your opinion of who should be president, does not reflect who the nation sees as a legitimate candidate.

Wow Will, great point.

You quoted a post that pointed out that Ron Paul was ignored by the media and replied, " I think the bigger issue is that he has 0 name recognition."

1) Could there be a connection here?
2) If the nation thought that Fred Thompson was such a great candidate why didn't anyone vote for him?

[will641]

you know, your opinion of who should be president, does not reflect who the nation sees as a legitimate candidate.

Wow Will, great point.

You quoted a post that pointed out that Ron Paul was ignored by the media and replied, " I think the bigger issue is that he has 0 name recognition."

1) Could there be a connection here?
2) If the nation thought that Fred Thompson was such a great candidate why didn't anyone vote for him?

yeah he has no fucking name recognition. nobody knew who the fuck he was before the election. do you even know what name recognition means? Fred Thompson actually had some name recognition. that has more to do with why he didnt go anywhere in the fucking election than some speculation on your part of how unfairly he was treated. i dont hear you complaining about how unfairly duncan hunter was treated. oh wait, thats because you dont have any interest in him!

now he has more name recognition, and maybe will be able to go somewhere in the next election if mccain loses. i hope he does.[/i]

[pankfish]

Why does anyone have name recognition? Where can we hear about these people? hmmmm

[pankfish]

John Edwards also got the same treatment on the other side. Fair to say I think he had some name recognition before this election.

[will641]

Yeah i would completely agree that he had name recognition, but so did hillary, and a lot more of it. i think everyone not named barack obama got unfair treatment in the democratic race.

however, john edwards situation is not very similar to ron paul's. he didnt have a chance to begin with. the oakland raiders have a better shot at winning the super bowl this year than rp did in this nomination. i like ron paul too, but not to the point of delusion.

[Jack Sawyer]

you know, your opinion of who should be president, does not reflect who the nation sees as a legitimate candidate.

nor the media's opinion

[Jack Sawyer]

a) he's a smart man
b) he will bring actual change
c) he has spot on no-bullshit views on every single weak point in America
d) he's not a yes man
e) those in power did not like him


operation ignore ron paul activate.




so, mike huckabee had name recognition? did mitt romney? did barack obama? did john mccain?

[will641]

ofc john mccain did. mit romney not so much. barack didnt really have any, but i credit his going far due to two things: 1) the media is absolutely in love with him, and theyre totally in the tank for him. 2) he ran a really good campaign and had no bumps in the road until march with the whole jeremiah wright thing. also, hes an attractive politician and a good orator, so when ppl see him for the first time they dont think wow i cant stand this guy. quite the opposite is true.

mike huckabee i dont think had a lot of recognition. i dont really know much about him tbh.

[BennyLaRue]

Ron Paul's ideas with regard to economics and libertarianism have merit. I'm a big fan of those particular viewpoints. But the man might have said some extremely racist things in the past (allegations he denies). He blames Abe Lincoln for the Civil War and thought Lincoln was an egomaniac. He doesn't believe in evolution. Sure, everyone is entitled to his opinion, but his ideas rub against the grain and are easily attackable. The media didn't have to try very hard to play a role in his campaign not getting far off the ground...he's just not as electable in today's environment as he needed to be.

Plus, he's old as dirt.

[grnydrowave2]

Thread derailed. Well done.

[Galapogos]

Thread derailed. Well done.

Not exactly record FTR time though, I'm a little disappointed...

[wufwugy]

Ron Paul's ideas with regard to economics and libertarianism have merit. I'm a big fan of those particular viewpoints. But the man might have said some extremely racist things in the past (allegations he denies). He blames Abe Lincoln for the Civil War and thought Lincoln was an egomaniac. He doesn't believe in evolution. Sure, everyone is entitled to his opinion, but his ideas rub against the grain and are easily attackable. The media didn't have to try very hard to play a role in his campaign not getting far off the ground...he's just not as electable in today's environment as he needed to be.

Plus, he's old as dirt.

this seems like good points to bring up but they're actually not. he may have or have had some certain racial issues, we do not know, and he probably didn't given he's a post-modern politician; and he does not personally believe in a branch of science that he finds to be highly debatable (its not and he's dumb for it but watev). the problem here is that these issues just dont really matter in comparison to issues that presidents (especially right now) deal with. any ideas he has on evolution and race are insignificant enough that they will not change anything, especially since his paradigm of nation ruling doesn't even allow that.

its his foreign policy and economic policy and a few other things that are what are truly issues. those are so much more important now than whether or not intelligent design should be taught in schools. i fucking hate ID too, but i realize its a small issue in comparison. also he doesn't even believe in federal legislation of state issues anyways.

and about the racism thing, lol if thats a fucking issue. no doubt racism is terrible, but he would get beaten down so quickly if he attempting to implement any of his supposed racial ideas. i dont care if a man is sexually attracted to young boys, as long as it doens't leave his mind its cool.

[BennyLaRue]

this seems like good points to bring up but they're actually not.

There was only one point...that the perception of him is that he's out there, he rubs against the grain, and that's why he was looked over quickly as a candidate. Whether he is a racist or made racist comments or not is beside the point as the perception is already out there and can be attacked by the other side, true or not. Sadly, Presidential candidates live and die on the mass perception of them, not on more valid criteria.

[2_Thumbs_Up]

ofc john mccain did. mit romney not so much. barack didnt really have any, but i credit his going far due to two things: 1) the media is absolutely in love with him, and theyre totally in the tank for him. 2) he ran a really good campaign and had no bumps in the road until march with the whole jeremiah wright thing. also, hes an attractive politician and a good orator, so when ppl see him for the first time they dont think wow i cant stand this guy. quite the opposite is true.

mike huckabee i dont think had a lot of recognition. i dont really know much about him tbh.

Aren't you almost acknowledging what i said? That it's media exposure that's important and not name recognition.

[will641]

ofc john mccain did. mit romney not so much. barack didnt really have any, but i credit his going far due to two things: 1) the media is absolutely in love with him, and theyre totally in the tank for him. 2) he ran a really good campaign and had no bumps in the road until march with the whole jeremiah wright thing. also, hes an attractive politician and a good orator, so when ppl see him for the first time they dont think wow i cant stand this guy. quite the opposite is true.

mike huckabee i dont think had a lot of recognition. i dont really know much about him tbh.

Aren't you almost acknowledging what i said? That it's media exposure that's important and not name recognition.

ummm yes and no. yes that when you dont have name recognition, but you get excessive media coverage (and favorable coverage) then that helps, but i still dont think its better. by feb. 4th im sure almost everyone in america was familiar with his name at least.

[pankfish]

Obama and McCain definitely had name recognition before this race. It was pretty much decided 4 years ago that Obama was going to be the nominee if Kerry lost. McCain ran for the nomination vs Bush the first time and has been one of the biggest names in politics for along time. Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee however didn't have any.

[euphoricism]

This is it, folks.
This is it.

You already got a lot of shit shoved down your throats, such as the recent blocking of the whole alt.* branches because "child porn has been found on 88 of the 100,000+ groups".

Don't let retardedness guide you. Stick it to the man.


Revolt people, revolt. Make sure your voices are heard.

Thats not exactly true..

Then explain to me what is true. Cuomo didn't order Verizon to block the shit for the State of New York for this exact and specific reason, and now other States, such as California, are following suit?

What is true, euphoricism?

Missed this. Verizon was not "ordered" to do shit. They're blocking it for their customers entirely voluntarily. Basically its just "No one but pirates really use this to a significant degree anymore, and it costs us money, so we can't think of a good reason to keep it. This is as good of an excuse to cancel it as any."

If you want to pay for it, there are companies like giganews.com and usenet.com and several others that will provide it for you. Hell, my ISP never provided it to me in the first place, and no one got all OMG CENSORSHIP OF THE INTERNET on their ass. Its an old outdated technology, that is 99.9999% used for pirates and pr0n.

This is a non story

[will641]

what are you guys talking about?

[meeloche]

So have you guys legalized it yet? I mean common get off your asses and get it done please, kthx