Cool Shit We're Doing Thread

[OngBonga]

Who the fuck would rather flip burgers than sit at home playing poker?

I'm gonna assume if banana isn't talking out of his arse, his $10-$20 is taking into account variance. So it's just the mental battle. Compare that to asking oneself where the fuck one's life is going while selling food to cunts.

[Savy]

Who the fuck would rather flip burgers than sit at home playing poker?

I'm gonna assume if banana isn't talking out of his arse, his $10-$20 is taking into account variance. So it's just the mental battle. Compare that to asking oneself where the fuck one's life is going while selling food to cunts.

He is talking about live poker. That shit is more depressing than any shitty job you could possibly work.

Also if you have the option of earning £10 an hour playing poker or £10 an hour working a job please god take the job. It isn't even close.

[BananaStand]

He is talking about live poker. That shit is more depressing than any shitty job you could possibly work.

This part is true.

[MadMojoMonkey]

If your goal isn't to earn a living, then poker is a decent hobby to have. Especially if you have a group of buddies that play in a home game. The stakes are never too high, you don't have to beat a rake, and its more about getting together with your friends than anything else.

My dad's been part of a poker club that gathers biweekly for like 40 years. He's a net winner, but a big night for that group would be if someone won $20+ dollars over the course of 4 - 6 hours. A big loss is similar in scale, so it's basically a free hobby when compared to others.

I have a brother who's into RC cars. He'll easily blow hundreds of dollars a month on tiny pieces of plastic or little LED headlights. If he was into poker, he could basically suck and still have a cheaper hobby.

[OngBonga]

Are you serious? I would MUCH rather play poker for a living than pretty much any regular job you can throw at me. It's just a matter of having the confidence, the bankroll, and the will to take risks.

I played live poker at a casino while on holiday and the standard was fucking awful, much worse than online poker at similar stakes. I got all in for 80bb at £0.50/£1.00 with AA vs TT and KQo... of course KQo won.

I promptly left, I knew I'd target that guy and probably make a mistake, and I was out of my depth financially, I'd lost what I was comfortable with losing. But I also knew I could probably earn myself a living at those stakes if I were sufficiently rolled, and if I could keep in control of my emotions. Actually it's easier to do live because you can't just go calling people a cunt to their face.

I could live the lifestyle, it's just a question of making enough to stay afloat while also saving money for when bad variance bites. £100 a session as an average profit and we're in business, that's £500 a week. Doesn't seem out of the question for a five or six hour session.

[Savy]

Are you serious? I would MUCH rather play poker for a living than pretty much any regular job you can throw at me. It's just a matter of having the confidence, the bankroll, and the will to take risks.

I played live poker at a casino while on holiday and the standard was fucking awful, much worse than online poker at similar stakes. I got all in for 80bb at £0.50/£1.00 with AA vs TT and KQo... of course KQo won.

I promptly left, I knew I'd target that guy and probably make a mistake, and I was out of my depth financially, I'd lost what I was comfortable with losing. But I also knew I could probably earn myself a living at those stakes if I were sufficiently rolled, and if I could keep in control of my emotions. Actually it's easier to do live because you can't just go calling people a cunt to their face.

I could live the lifestyle, it's just a question of making enough to stay afloat while also saving money for when bad variance bites. £100 a session as an average profit and we're in business, that's £500 a week. Doesn't seem out of the question for a five or six hour session.

What's online poker like these days in the UK?

[wufwugy]

I really do think live play would be good for me.

I was once quite good at this game, but the online environment was devastating for me.

[Savy]

I really do think live play would be good for me.

I was once quite good at this game, but the online environment was devastating for me.

I've never played properly live but every time I've been in a casino the poker tables look depressing. Home games are fun between friends, playing with degen losers really isn't so fun.

Playing online poker also sucks massively. Unless you're killing it and raking it in. I would regret spending time on poker at all if I didn't learn some pretty great life/transferable skills from my time playing.

[wufwugy]

I've never played properly live but every time I've been in a casino the poker tables look depressing. Home games are fun between friends, playing with degen losers really isn't so fun.

Does this depend on the type of casino?

[Savy]

Does this depend on the type of casino?

If you can get into more touristy areas I imagine you can make the game more enjoyable for both you and the tourists but they are also the types of places which attract the hoods up, sunglasses on, headphones in bores.

[OngBonga]

Fuck knows. I last had online funds at SkyPoker, loaded up a tenner, grinded it up to £70-odd, then runbad until busted. Standard at SkyPoker is awful but I was playing like shit myself while I was running bad. Last time I played pokerstars, the standard seemed better than Sky but at my stakes it's still pretty bad.

I last played live last summer. The standard with £1 blinds was comparable to micros at stars. A few tight-aggro types who are easy enough to play against, if not a source of profit, while there's two or three clowns who are drinking and doing crazy shit like calling two shoves with KQo because "I have good cards". If that's the average night at the average casino, and I see no reason why it wouldn't be, then for sure there's money to be made if you have a solid game.

I'll probably have another poker holiday later this year. Dunno about online. Maybe I'll start playing MTTs at stars again in the future, but cash games, it's mostly a waste of time. I'm working now and earning decent money, why would I want to waste my non-work time playing poker for cheeseburgers? I'm not good enough to win proper money online, so poker for me now is probably a casino by the sea once or twice a year.

[Savy]

I nearly convinced myself to download stars so I could mess about playing some 5nl zoom to see what the standard was like. Then I realised that'd be boring as shit so didn't bother.

[OngBonga]

That's my problem with microstakes poker. I'm bored shitless of it.

[Savy]

That's my problem with microstakes poker. I'm bored shitless of it.

I'm just bored of poker in general have been for years. Very rarely the idea crosses my mind to start playing again then in a few hours I realise that'd be a shit idea. I just want to know what the games are like now but when you ask that question people only ever give you whether they are winning or losing.

[CoccoBill]

Playing for fun is fun. Playing for money (=income) is work.

[BananaStand]

Playing for fun is fun. Playing for money (=income) is work.

It's really hard to separate the two.

Raise with AQ, get called by Q9, flop KJT, bet 3 streets and rake it in. Yes that's fun.

But there is another level to the game where you identify the tendencies of your opponent, and manipulate your betting pattern to exploit them for the most money possible. So maybe instead of bet/bet/bet, you bet/check-raise/lead small and shove over. Figuring that out is work? Cause I think that's fun too.

[OngBonga]

The difference between the two is all in the head, but is very much real.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I can give plenty of examples of the work in poker, but they only come to mind if you're not a casual player. If you're serious about making poker your career, then there are plenty of aspects of the game and its environments which will require work.

Poker is a game that relies equally heavily on mathematical skills and social skills. Those traits don't typically manifest in synch in one person. So unless you're a god of both math and people skills, you're going to be facing some hard work when it comes to forcing yourself to be good at something that you aren't really a huge fan of.

However for the casual player, you don't need to be really excellent at either math or people skills. You can take a purely intuitive approach to ranges and bet strategies and still be a winner at the bottom stakes. A hobby that actually makes money is a nice life hack.

[BananaStand]

I can give plenty of examples of the work in poker, but they only come to mind if you're not a casual player. If you're serious about making poker your career, then there are plenty of aspects of the game and its environments which will require work.

Poker is a game that relies equally heavily on mathematical skills and social skills. Those traits don't typically manifest in synch in one person. So unless you're a god of both math and people skills, you're going to be facing some hard work when it comes to forcing yourself to be good at something that you aren't really a huge fan of.

However for the casual player, you don't need to be really excellent at either math or people skills. You can take a purely intuitive approach to ranges and bet strategies and still be a winner at the bottom stakes. A hobby that actually makes money is a nice life hack.

I'm going to estimate my agreement with this at about 35%

First, I hate it when people immediately polarize poker players into "casual" and "professional" categories, as if there is nothing in the middle. Anything worth doing is worth doing well. So if you're a "poker player" then there really shouldn't be any distinction between you and a "professional poker player" other than number of hours and whatever skills are acquired through repetitive practice. Both players should be equal in terms of their stated goal "maximize dollars won".

So there are just "poker players", and that's it. Whether someone uses the winnings for bills, or adds it to their disposable income shouldn't determine what category of poker player they are. I kinda believe that's just something low stakes pros tell themselves so they can feel less bad about being a total degenerate. Contrary to what you see on ESPN, the life of the average poker "pro" is pretty shitty.

There obviously is another category and that's for people who are killing time, drinking for free, and simply "gambling". They'll never admit that's what they're doing though, so it doesn't seem worthwhile to dig into the distinction.

As for relying heavily on math and social skills, I'm still not 100% in agreement. First of all, we can almost throw the social out completely. Otherwise how could you explain the success stories in online poker? As for math, I think that's debateable. Obviously basics like pot odds, implied odds, the 2/4 rule, SPR, etc are important. But does anyone here really think you need to be a "god of math skills" to apply those principles? Figuring out range vs range equity at the table, or doing complex-ish combinatorics can be a little daunting I guess, but even then there are shortcuts.

The game really opened up for me when I let go alot of the math stuff. The simple math says, once your opponent takes does something with an exploitable frequency, then your response should be to take the counter measure 100% of the time. If we're playing Rock/Paper/Scissors, and you throw Rock too often, then my response will be to throw paper every time until you adjust. So in general, I see other players as either betting too much, folding too much, or calling too much. Once you figure out who is who, it's like you're cheating at Rock paper scissors. No math required.

[Savy]

I know plenty of people who are good at math and people skills. I think you are slightly too used to just hanging around with the good at maths and no people skills lot as they tend to group together.

[The Bean Counter]

There's still plenty of action available at the hobby stakes online across many sites in cash and tournaments. People talk about the games getting harder, but I don't see evidence of that at all. Rakeback is no longer really a thing and Sky Poker for UK players continues to be the softest.

One thing people forget about making minimum wage with your hobby is just how much that can be worth lifetime. Let's say my profit to date from poker is $50k and I invest all of it with a competent fund manager today in a tax-free UK ISA (which I do). That will be worth close to $400k in 20 years when I want to retire. Every $10 I earn per hour now is worth a lot more than than just $10 today, particularly when I don't have to pay 41% tax on it in the UK.

[BananaStand]

So I've been doing this live poker thing consistently for a few months now. The results have been spectacular. Like better than I thought possible in a raked game with a capped buy-in. These 'high hand' promotions really really bring out the fish.

If anyone here has 1/2 or 2/5 No-limit in their neighborhood and wants to post some hands, I'm down.

[Savy]

So I've been doing this live poker thing consistently for a few months now. The results have been spectacular. Like better than I thought possible in a raked game with a capped buy-in. These 'high hand' promotions really really bring out the fish.

If anyone here has 1/2 or 2/5 No-limit in their neighborhood and wants to post some hands, I'm down.

Post hands and people can comment on them. Just so you know almost no one beats those games for that much money in the long run and if you're winning ridiculous amounts / hour it's definitely just variance + from the little I've seen you talk about poker you definitely aren't a crusher.

Live sample sizes are lol and I can't imagine you've played more than 20k hands which is a joke of a sample size.

[BananaStand]

I've sustained $40+/hour, playing 10-20 hours per week, for several months now. So go fuck yourself.

I've never played properly live

Confirmed clueless

[Savy]

I've sustained $40+/hour, playing 10-20 hours per week, for several months now. So go fuck yourself.

Confirmed clueless

20 (hours/week) * 20 (hands/hour) * 12 (months) = 4800. Great sample size that pal.

Basically no one wins anywhere near $40 an hour playing in incredibly rake heavy shit format games it isn't feasible. I'd be surprised if there were many 2/5 players really making $40 hourly playing live in normal games. From your sample all you an guage is that you are more likely a winning player than a losing one with some really small confidence level.

To give you some concept of sample size here is someone absolutely crushing 500nlz on stars (running above their real win rate over 250k hands) where he still has mutlple very long losing periods/break even stretches.



10bb/100 winner winner at 2/5 is $50 every 100 hands which at about 20 hands an hour is $10 an hour and your winrate after rake almost definitely won't be anywhere near that even in soft games especially with high rake and capped stacks.

[OngBonga]

I don't doubt it. I get sample size lol and all, but I've seen the kind of people who are atracted to casinos. If I were rolled for £0.5/£1, I think I could earn a living at the right casino. And I'm hardly a crusher, either. £0.5/£1 at a casino is basically $0.05/$0.10 at pokerstars.

[Savy]

I don't doubt it. I get sample size lol and all, but I've seen the kind of people who are atracted to casinos. If I were rolled for £0.5/£1, I think I could earn a living at the right casino. And I'm hardly a crusher, either. £0.5/£1 at a casino is basically $0.05/$0.10 at pokerstars.

This has been said lots of times by people much better than yoruself with big winning samples at games like 25nlz and they never make anything better than burger flipping wages. If live low stakes was a gold mine everyone woudl do it in reality it's just an incredibly shit way to make tiny amounts of money.

Also getting a roll for playing 1/2 is a piece of piss so do it and see how it goes. Just put a couple of BI aside each month and in 6 months you're easily shot taking. Factor in you being a huge winner as your post implies even if you lose yoru initial amount it'll only be a short time till you're running away with it.

[BananaStand]

If live low stakes was a gold mine everyone woudl do it in reality it's just an incredibly shit way to make tiny amounts of money.

It actually is a gold mine. 99% of players are losers. So if you're a winner, you're winning HUGE.

$40/hour is a crushing rate I've heard cited in other credible poker sources. It's also the reality that I'm living on a week to week basis. So forgive me if I'm not convinced by the jealous claims of an angry internet troll who admits that he's never even played live poker.

Comparing it to online win rates is plain silly

[OngBonga]

Also getting a roll for playing 1/2 is a piece of piss so do it and see how it goes. Just put a couple of BI aside each month and in 6 months you're easily shot taking. Factor in you being a huge winner as your post implies even if you lose yoru initial amount it'll only be a short time till you're running away with it.

If there was a nearby casino, I'd seriously consider it. I should point out my confidence comes from the few times I've played a casino. On each occasion, the standard has been no better than what I'm used to at cheeseburger stakes online. I can grind a profit at 10nl, so if I'm playing the same people for 10x the stakes, well I expect to earn 10x the money. If there's a wage to be squeezed out of the extra money, then we're in business. I'm not greedy, I'm happy to earn an average of £15 an hour for 20 hours poker. Is that doable at my level? I dunno, but if the standard is what I've exprienced in my admittedly very small sample, I'm confident I'm turning out a profit in the long term.

My problem is that I'm not near a casino, and also it's a huge risk to take. There's one thing I can't say, and that's if I have the mental strength to be a professional poker player. Maintaining A-game when you have bills to pay is not easy, I know that from the few times I've tried to make a go of it. I play worse when it matters more.

[Poopadoop]

Interesting that a guy who claims to be in the top 6 in a company of 1400 employees finds it worth his while to play live poker in a casino. That is about a boring a thing as I've ever done in my life. Why do it if you don't need the money? I mean, the thread title is 'cool shit we're doing', not 'life-draining shit we're doing.'

Also funny that someone who runs finances for a major company has no concept whatsoever of sample size, or standard deviation, or anything related to statistics. It's like he skipped math class to take Excel class.

Also I like the argument about live winrates that 'someone online said it could be done', therefore 'i'm doing it', and furthermore 'i don't have to listen to what some other guy online says about it.' lol, that's real convincing logic there.

[BananaStand]

Interesting that a guy who claims to be in the top 6 in a company of 1400 employees

Not what I said. I'm actually in the bottom 6 of the company that owns the company with 1400 employees.

finds it worth his while to play live poker in a casino.

Exactly how much do you think I make? Why wouldn't $40/hour interest me? Is that not interesting to you? How much do you make?

That is about a boring a thing as I've ever done in my life

Your IQ is too low to see how interesting the game really is.

Also funny that someone who runs finances for a major company has no concept whatsoever of sample size, or standard deviation, or anything related to statistics. It's like he skipped math class to take Excel class.

You must not play very much live poker either. Standard deviation is a non-existent concept. People play such huge junk ranges pre-flop, and force themselves to fold with a frequency that is reliably profitable. If variance becomes an issue, it means that folks are adjusting to you....but that almost never happens.

Also I like the argument about live winrates that 'someone online credible poker coaches said it could be done',

Fixed our post

therefore 'i'm doing it',

Another erroneous post. Why "therefore"? The two aren't connected, they're independent corroborating data points.

and furthermore 'i don't have to listen to what some other guy online a clueless troll says about it.'

Fixed that one too.

lol, that's real convincing logic there.

What's "lol" is that Savy thinks he can educate me on sample size, when his own conclusions are based on a sample size of 0. That's real convincing logic right there. LOL

[Poopadoop]

Not what I said. I'm actually in the bottom 6 of the company that owns the company with 1400 employees.

Wait, you said there's six of you who run the company, no? You were responsible for 1400 people's families having bread on the table?

Oh man, your job sucks even more than I thought. Why are you bragging about it then if all you do is sit in a cubicle and click buttons in Excel?

Exactly how much do you think I make? Why wouldn't $40/hour interest me? Is that not interesting to you? How much do you make?

How the fuck should I know how much you make? Most people who act like a big shot make good money.

As for what I make, it's somewhere between 'enough to keep me out of a live poker room' and 'none of your business' Try entering those values into Excel and you'll get an idea.

Your IQ is too low to see how interesting the game really is.

My IQ was enough to get into Oxford. Where did you go to school?

Also, your Life IQ is too low to see what a sad and pathetic use of your free time live poker is. Don't you have any friends?

You must not play very much live poker either. Standard deviation is a non-existent concept. People play such huge junk ranges pre-flop, and force themselves to fold with a frequency that is reliably profitable. If variance becomes an issue, it means that folks are adjusting to you....but that almost never happens.

You have no idea how variance works, do you.

What's "lol" is that Savy thinks he can educate me on sample size, when his own conclusions are based on a sample size of 0. That's real convincing logic right there. LOL

What's "Lol" is that you think you have a credible sample size. I'd walk you through it but I'm sure you'd just double down and insist you're right and someone who actually knows about statistics is wrong. It'd be funny but not funny enough to make it worth the outside chance that I might accidentally teach you something you could use to your benefit. That would be a waste of my talents.

[BananaStand]

Wait, you said there's six of you who run the company, no?

Yeah. That's not in dispute.

You were responsible for 1400 people's families having bread on the table?

.
I'm a cog in the huge machine that needs to run in order to provide bread.

Oh man, your job sucks even more than I thought.

What did you think before?

Why are you bragging about it then

I wasn't bragging about it. Some uppity monkey started running the prolapsed asshole he calls a mouth talking about how great his job is as lab-bitch, and how he fondly reflects on all the smiles he's caused during his bus-ride home at night. I'm merely pointing out, that a person can find value in a profession that doesn't involve playing with toys all day. Some of us actually like being grown-ups.

if all you do is sit in a cubicle and click buttons in Excel?

I have my own office. It has windows.

And there are ALOT of buttons. That's like telling a pilot "all you do is flick switches and sit on your ass"

How the fuck should I know how much you make?

Well you seem to be supremely confident that $40/hour isn't worth my time.

Most people who act like a big shot make good money.

Yeah, $40/hour is good money. Do you not agree?

As for what I make, it's somewhere between 'enough to keep me out of a live poker room' not enough to sustain a bankrolland 'none of your business'$0

Fixed your post.

Try entering those values into Excel and you'll get an idea.

#DIV/0!

My IQ was enough to get into Oxford

Google says the average there is still 10 points below me.

Where did you go to school?

Life

Also, your Life IQ is too low to see what a sad and pathetic use of your free time live poker is.

So a hobby that generates $40/hour is a sad and pathetic use of free time? What are your hobbies paying? How much does one make being a douchebag demagogue on the internet?

Don't you have any friends?

Does your mom count as a friend? I mean, I spend a lot of time with her, but I wouldn't say there's any respect there.

You have no idea how variance works, do you.

Actually I do. And it's negligible. Lets say you raise to 5BB's and get called by a player with a range of 300 hands. He will call on the flop with only his best holdings, or about 50 hands. You bet half pot on the flop.

Now tell me all about variance buddy. How many hands would I have to play like this for there to be even a 10% chance that I go on even a 100BB downswing? It's virtually impossible!!

What's "Lol" is that you think you have a credible sample size.

Why does sample size even matter?????

There is $30 in the pot. You bet $15. Your opponent folds 75% of the time. What sample size would you need in order to have 100% confidence that the hand is +EV? Serious question, how many times would you have to see that work before you could say definitively that it's a profitable play? What's the requisite sample size??

[Poopadoop]

I'm a cog in the huge machine that needs to run in order to provide bread.

Whatever makes you feel like a big boy, go with it.

What did you think before?

You made it sound like you were in the very top tier of this company.

I wasn't bragging about it. Some uppity monkey started running the prolapsed asshole he calls a mouth talking about how great his job is as lab-bitch, and how he fondly reflects on all the smiles he's caused during his bus-ride home at night. I'm merely pointing out, that a person can find value in a profession that doesn't involve playing with toys all day.

Hmm, I read his post too and just saw it as a guy who liked his job. I was kind of happy for him, frankly.

Interesting though how you took it as a personal affront that someone else in the world was happy and saw the need to try to drag them down to your level of misery. It's pretty pathetic really.

And there are ALOT of buttons. That's like telling a pilot "all you do is flick switches and sit on your ass"

Actually, that's what most of them do.

Well you seem to be supremely confident that $40/hour isn't worth my time.

I assumed you made an income commensurate with your claimed IQ. My mistake.

Yeah, $40/hour is good money. Do you not agree?

Not really, no. But then again I have a social life.

Life

That must look great on your CV. So you became a finance officer with no formal training? Not even Concord Technical College?

So a hobby that generates $40/hour is a sad and pathetic use of free time?

Depends what your hobby is. Hanging out with loser degens in a dingy casino is about two steps above selling crack when it comes to good uses of my time imo.

How much does one make being a douchebag demagogue on the internet?

Whatever your company pays you I guess.

Does your mom count as a friend?

Why, do you want a 75 year old woman as your friend? Seems really desperate.

I mean, I spend a lot of time with her, but I wouldn't say there's any respect there.

She doesn't respect you either huh?

Actually I do. And it's negligible. Lets say you raise to 5BB's and get called by a player with a range of 300 hands. He will call on the flop with only his best holdings, or about 50 hands. You bet half pot on the flop.

Now tell me all about variance buddy. How many hands would I have to play like this for there to be even a 10% chance that I go on even a 100BB downswing? It's virtually impossible!!


Why does sample size even matter?????

There is $30 in the pot. You bet $15. Your opponent folds 75% of the time. What sample size would you need in order to have 100% confidence that the hand is +EV? Serious question, how many times would you have to see that work before you could say definitively that it's a profitable play? What's the requisite sample size??

It doesn't. There's no such thing as variance. Or if there is, it only affects everyone else and not you. Don't worry about it.

[OngBonga]

Are you for real? I really like playing poker at the casino. It's hardly boring. Playing online can get boring, the only bonus is that I have the benefit of my cure for boredom... spliffs.

[Poopadoop]

Are you for real? I really like playing poker at the casino. It's hardly boring. Playing online can get boring, the only bonus is that I have the benefit of my cure for boredom... spliffs.

It's totally fucking boring. What's fun about playing one table, 30 hands an hour and you get in the action like once every ten minutes. Fuck off.

[OngBonga]

It's totally fucking boring. What's fun about playing one table, 30 hands an hour and you get in the action like once every ten minutes. Fuck off.

It's a fuck ton less boring than flipping burgers.

[Poopadoop]

It's a fuck ton less boring than flipping burgers.

well if that's your standard for what qualifies something as interesting then you need to get out more. It's less painful than a root canal too, that doesn't make it pleasurable.

[OngBonga]

well if that's your standard for what qualifies something as interesting then you need to get out more. It's less painful than a root canal too, that doesn't make it pleasurable.

Well we're talking about work here, not dentistry. My standard for what qualifies as "boring" and "not boring" differs depending on if it's work or play.

[BananaStand]

It's totally fucking boring. What's fun about playing one table, 30 hands an hour and you get in the action like once every ten minutes. Fuck off.

Over what sample size are you making this conclusion?

[Poopadoop]

Over what sample size are you making this conclusion?

About an hour I think was enough to make me believe life was too short to spend sitting at a table with a bunch of degen losers.

[BananaStand]

Here's an example.

I ran into a LAG last night that I noticed was getting a little bit too out of line. Just raising too many hands. He was doing ok, because other people were folding post-flop. But the fact that he never showed down the goods, and usually folded to aggression told me that he was just trying to win by putting a little pressure on people.

So he raises, and I'm in position with 86s and 3-bet. The flop is A67r. He leads for $30. My read here is that he's making a stab, just hoping I don't have an ace. Donk bets are super-weak in live poker. I call. My plan is to bet turn if he checks to me, and likely take it down right there.

The turn is a 5 giving me shitloads of outs. He leads again for $50. Now I'm starting to give him some credit for an ace. This bet size feels value-ish, but I have the pot odds to call.

River 8 giving me two pair. He immediately jams for $200. Like, immediately. Anyone with a straight would take a few seconds to realize that his hand improved and then decide what to do about it. Anyone with a set or big two pair would most likely check/call on this scary board.
This guy acted like he didn't even see the river card. Easy read. Snap call; fist pump.

He had QQ and after the hand felt the need to brag for ten minutes about how he knew I didn't have an ace and I just got soooooooo lucky. That's when he made a profound adjustment. He started limp/calling instead of raising all of his trash hands pre-flop. So for the next hour or so, we did this.....He limps, I raise, He check/folds the flop. After the first couple of times, I started cranking up my pre-flop bet size. $25+ pre-flop and he just limp/calls hoping to flop bingo, but never did (as if I'd pay him off when he does, lol). So he leaks away another buy-in, and then goes home broke.

Would you really call that variance? I'd say that's skillfully identifying exploitable players and profiting from their mistakes. I won his first buy in by catching a card. Maybe I over-realized my equity in that one. But that was one hand. His second buy in, I could have been playing with two napkins and I still would have won the money. That's why the live game doesn't compare to online.

In an online game, that villain would have been far more likely to adjust. And he would have been more balanced to begin with. In the live scenario, people almost never adjust. This guy kept calling pre-flop with ranges containing 300+ card combos, and then only continuing with maybe 50 of them. Variance be damned. There is absolutely no way you can lose money against a player like that.

[OngBonga]

I dunno how a "hey guys I'm winning at poker" comment can degenerate into such bickering.

Oh wait, I do know how. It's because banana said it.

Is it really that hard to say "well done bruv, hope you keep it up"?

[Savy]

I dunno how a "hey guys I'm winning at poker" comment can degenerate into such bickering.

Oh wait, I do know how. It's because banana said it.

Is it really that hard to say "well done bruv, hope you keep it up"?

It has nothing to do with that the guy is posting something on a poker forum which paints an incredibly false picture. So there is a slight obligation to call people out on their shit because others read it and think it's true. On top of that people who post stuff like that tend to just be misinformed and you can make pretty bad decisions as a result of that. Winning at $40/hour over a tiny sample of hands is perfectly reasonable and for some people that sample is years of play so they can make pretty awful life decisions thinking that's their win rate.

All that being said people always think they know better and I honestly have no care for random people online anymore so I probably will stop posting helpful poker advice because I get nothing out of it. It's why I decided to stop posting earlier on and will continue to stop now.

[OngBonga]

I guess I find it easier to believe that it's possible to crush the casino games as though they are microdonks. Anyone better than me at poker should be able to make money, and I don't set the bar particularly high.

[BananaStand]

It has nothing to do with that the guy is posting something on a poker forum which paints an incredibly false picture.

False? You've never played live poker.

So there is a slight obligation to call people out on their shit because others read it and think it's true

Why wouldn't you think it's true? You've never played live poker

On top of that people who post stuff like that tend to just be misinformed

How are you so informed? You've never played live poker

and you can make pretty bad decisions as a result of that.

Is commenting on the realities of live poker, when you've never played live, a good decision?

Winning at $40/hour over a tiny sample of hands is perfectly reasonable and for some people that sample is years of play

For you it's even longer than that. you're middle aged and you've never played live poker.

so they can make pretty awful life decisions thinking that's their win rate.

If I were you I would try and focus on the life decisions that led you to even participate in this conversation.

All that being said people always think they know better

I definitely know better than you do. How? I've played live poker. You haven't.

and I honestly have no care for random people online anymore

What about random people live? Oh yeah, you don't ever see any because you don't play live poker.

so I probably will stop posting helpful poker advice

Here's some helpful poker advice....try actually playing the game before you give other people advice.

because I get nothing out of it.

It's because you're vacuously ignorant of the subject matter. If you had ever played live poker, and had a clue what the fuck you were even talking about, then you might find educating people more intrinsically satisfying. But if you're going to talk out of your pie-hole about something with which you have ZILCH for experience, then I'm not surprised that you're disappointed with the reception of your ignorant, naive, and thoughtless advice.

It's why I decided to stop posting earlier on and will continue to stop now.

Buh bye

[OngBonga]

This idea that people waste oxygen by breathing is scientifically flawed. How much oxygen do you suppose you breathe in a lifetime? More than you weigh when you die. Ergo...

[Poopadoop]

Sounds like someone's been making a lot of progress with their angry twat treatment.

[BananaStand]

Also, I'm tracking my results with an App now. Small sample size, just two sessions that I've played this week.

But so far, $286/hour over 4 hours. I'll keep you all posted.

I shocked the shit out of a villain, and the rest of the table, last night. EP raise to $8, MP raise to $15, hero flats on BTN with Qs4s, EP and another guy call and we're 4 ways to a flop of

T64

Checks around. Turn, another Ten

Check/Check/MP bets/Hero calls/Fold Fold

River, yet another Ten

MP bets/Hero calls

Villain announces "no boat" and my hand is good. No one could believe I called.

This isn't luck. It isn't variance. It isn't standard deviation. This is a simple case of a horrible poker player giving money away and my having enough IQ's to recognize it and profit. As long as players are this bad, I believe my win rate is sustainable indefinitely.

[Poopadoop]

Cool story bro.

Last night I went out to the corner and made £3k selling crack. Idiot drug addicts just gave me their money.

Pretty sure it's sustainable. I'll keep you all posted (whether you care or not).

Lol.

[BananaStand]

Last night I went out to the corner and made £3k selling crack. Idiot drug addicts just gave me their money.

That's british money, so it wouldn't count, even if this was a true story.

In reality, you made $0 last night, doing nothing, with no one.

[Poopadoop]

In reality, you made $0 last night, doing nothing, with no one.

Yeah, but if I admitted that, I'd have no way to get attention on the internet. Sound familiar?

[BananaStand]

Yeah, but if I admitted that, I'd have no way to get attention on the internet.

Surely you have enough IQ's to think of something else

Sound familiar?

No

[Poopadoop]

Surely you have enough IQ's to think of something else


No

I guess the question is, why are you telling us this? A bunch of people you hardly know and who for the most part don't like you on the internet? Shouldn't you be bragging to your friends or woman or kids? Why do you think we even care?

Sorry, but it just makes you look like even more of a pathetic windbag douchebag loser who's trying his best to impress people but can't do it.

[BananaStand]

Well, then in the interest of fair warning, maybe you should limit yourself to posting in the "Containment thread for idiotic uninformed demagoguery from a stubborn moron with a low IQ"

[Poopadoop]

Maybe you should start a thread called: "Containment thread for idiotic uninformed demagoguery from a stubborn moron with a low IQ"

Good idea. We could move all your posts into that thread and everyone would know which thread to ignore.

[BananaStand]

Good idea. We could move all your posts into that thread and everyone would know which thread to ignore.

Yeah, except at least six words in the thread title don't apply to me. It's ok, I won't hold it against you. I know that vocabulary is a struggle for those with low IQs

[Poopadoop]

I know that vocabulary is a struggle for those with low IQs

I'm sure you do, intimately.

[LeFou]

Wow, you guys spent a lot of time on this thread.