Creedence Clearwater and Pizza

[derekeverett]

Ever notice how everybody likes Creedence Clearwater and pizza?

Lots of people I'm sure don't consider either one their favourite thing, but in a jam most people can find common ground on those 2 things. Different folks may prefer different toppings or different songs... but they are both usually peace makers at a mixed party.

That's my observation for the day.

[supa]

I don't particularly like CCR.

[eugmac]

i know this one guy, he hates pizza.

[kiwiMark]

[derekeverett]

Some of these posts could really do with a like button. It's a new world.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I don't particularly like CCR.

... but it wouldn't drive you from a party, either, I'm guessing?

I agree that, in America, CCR and Pizza could rule the place if they ran on the same ticket.

[BennyLaRue]

Yeah, not like the fucking Eagles, man.

[wufwugy]

Shut the fuck up, Benny

[Hawk]

I don't particularly like CCR.

You don't like CCR. You drink whiskey with an 'e'.

I'm suddenly finding it hard to particularly like you.

[BennyLaRue]

If anyone is Donny here, it's MMM.

[Renton]

I find CCR to be kind of insufferable. Why that middle class socal nigga gotta sing like he from Bayou La Batre? But yeah they are pretty universally likable. I think Eagles is more so.

I think invite a random sample of the population to your house to listen to the Eagles, eat pizza, and watch the Lion King, everyone's gonna be fairly appeased.

[Lukie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KQydlJ-qc

If you don't like that song you are a horrible person, and probably hate puppies.

In the interest of full disclosure, I played center field, and in school that song was part of pre-game warmups. No coincidence there...

[Lukie]

I find CCR to be kind of insufferable. Why that middle class socal nigga gotta sing like he from Bayou La Batre? But yeah they are pretty universally likable. I think Eagles is more so.

I think invite a random sample of the population to your house to listen to the Eagles, eat pizza, and watch the Lion King, everyone's gonna be fairly appeased.

Throw in some bud light and you have a party. Hey I don't think it is a good beer either, but just about everybody at least tolerates it.

[NightGizmo]

Throw in some bud light and you have a party. Hey I don't think it is a good beer either, but just about everybody at least tolerates it.

Given the choice between bud light and going sober -- there's a good chance I'll choose being sober (done it before). There are plenty of other cheap beers I'll gladly drink -- PBR, Old Style, Coors, or (one of my favorite beers) Miller Lite. But I don't like Budweiser beers -- possibly because of the rice brew?

[boost]

Yeah, and rice is communist gruel. Not enough room left in the beer for freedom.

[kiwiMark]

needs more corn syrup

[rpm]

Throw in some bud light and you have a party. Hey I don't think it is a good beer either, but just about everybody at least tolerates it.

count me out. i like 2/2 bands and 1/1 foods mentioned in this thread so far though, so i guess i'm not too much of an alien?

[boost]

Yeah, I mean, we never really counted you in, not sure how you got an invite in the first place. So, yeah.. if you could just go ahead and not show up to our CCR, pizza, and Bud Light party, that would be great.

[supa]

Did rpm just get burned Lumbergh style?

[supa]

You don't like CCR. You drink whiskey with an 'e'.

I'm suddenly finding it hard to particularly like you.

Lemme go see how many fucks were given today.

[supa]

None. None fucks were given today.

[supa]

Given the choice between bud light and going sober -- there's a good chance I'll choose being sober (done it before). There are plenty of other cheap beers I'll gladly drink -- PBR, Old Style, Coors, or (one of my favorite beers) Miller Lite. But I don't like Budweiser beers -- possibly because of the rice brew?

This and all of this. I've left parties to go get more beer because all they had was bud light.

[Lukie]

Well only 3 protests for bud light so far... that is better than I thought it would do.

I admit that I think it is a cheaply made/overmarketed, crappy beer that doesn't have much (any?) flavor and its ABV is too low. Then again I don't really dislike it, and I haven't come across many people who have had a real problem with it, even among non-beer drinkers. Perception is also probably heavily affected by location and demographics. I live in midwestern U.S. That fact is not lost on me.

I am curious what others would suggest as a general crowd pleaser. Say you need to run to the nearest store or gas station to pick up 1 type of beer for a mixed group of people, what do you get? Or are those preconditions too strict?

[Savy]

Given the choice between bud light and going sober -- there's a good chance I'll choose being sober (done it before). There are plenty of other cheap beers I'll gladly drink -- PBR, Old Style, Coors, or (one of my favorite beers) Miller Lite. But I don't like Budweiser beers -- possibly because of the rice brew?

No idea what PBR or Old Style are like, but the rest of them taste like fizzy water. American beers are really the bottom of the barrel. I'd even prefer to drink things like sol and corona over them.

[d0zer]

Beer snobs get up in arms about the mass-manufactured watery tasteless american beers to an absurd degree. "I'm not drinking this, it tastes like water". It tastes like water? Is tasteless water so offensive that you won't drink it? It's boring beer which is why it appeals to the masses, but it's not like it's undrinkable. White wonderbread is boring too, but if I'm hungry I'm not going to pretend like I'm too good for a white bread sandwich.

[NightGizmo]

Say you need to run to the nearest store or gas station to pick up 1 type of beer for a mixed group of people, what do you get?

I'd personally grab Miller Lite (I almost always have some at my house, actually), but I'd expect some people to complain that they don't like miller and they prefer bud. I'm in the midwest, too, and I see Miller Lite vs. Bud Light kind of like the Coke vs. Pepsi argument, except people are more adamantly on one side or the other.

[Savy]

Beer snobs get up in arms about the mass-manufactured watery tasteless american beers to an absurd degree. "I'm not drinking this, it tastes like water". It tastes like water? Is tasteless water so offensive that you won't drink it? It's boring beer which is why it appeals to the masses, but it's not like it's undrinkable. White wonderbread is boring too, but if I'm hungry I'm not going to pretend like I'm too good for a white bread sandwich.

Fizzy water tastes like aids. I'd rather drink water than something like bud. I'm hardly a beer snob either, I am happy to drink most crappy beers but American beers go that extra level.

[Lukie]

I'd personally grab Miller Lite (I almost always have some at my house, actually), but I'd expect some people to complain that they don't like miller and they prefer bud. I'm in the midwest, too, and I see Miller Lite vs. Bud Light kind of like the Coke vs. Pepsi argument, except people are more adamantly on one side or the other.

I am the odd one who doesn't really have a strong preference between BL/ML or Coke/Pepsi. Miller Lite is obviously the other big one but in my experience firmly in the #2 spot as far as popularity/ubiquity. Nothing else is even close.

[wufwugy]

i prefer goat piss to cow piss

[wufwugy]

Beer snobs get up in arms about the mass-manufactured watery tasteless american beers to an absurd degree. "I'm not drinking this, it tastes like water". It tastes like water? Is tasteless water so offensive that you won't drink it? It's boring beer which is why it appeals to the masses, but it's not like it's undrinkable. White wonderbread is boring too, but if I'm hungry I'm not going to pretend like I'm too good for a white bread sandwich.

Every other nation's swill is leagues ahead of American swill. American swill is the worst because companies are savvy enough to convince Americans to identify with it

American craft beer is leagues ahead of every other nation, however.

[wufwugy]

Well only 3 protests for bud light so far... that is better than I thought it would do.

I admit that I think it is a cheaply made/overmarketed, crappy beer that doesn't have much (any?) flavor and its ABV is too low. Then again I don't really dislike it, and I haven't come across many people who have had a real problem with it, even among non-beer drinkers. Perception is also probably heavily affected by location and demographics. I live in midwestern U.S. That fact is not lost on me.

I am curious what others would suggest as a general crowd pleaser. Say you need to run to the nearest store or gas station to pick up 1 type of beer for a mixed group of people, what do you get? Or are those preconditions too strict?

Might not work in the Midwest, but corona is probably the easiest crowd pleaser on the West Coast

However, the region I understand the least is the Midwest. They're white and vote blue in national elections and red in state elections. They're Protestants, but not exactly Southern Protestants; instead they're a mix between Yankees and Appalachians, but not Catholics like most Democrat Yankees.

[supa]

I should have stated that I'm not a beer snob and actually rarely drink anything other than coors light. I just really despise the taste of bud/bud light for some reason.

[Chelle]

i know this one guy, he hates pizza.

boyfrand didn't like pizza as a kid. i was confused as fuck when he informed me of this. i was like, "wait, what?"

[Pascal]

I should have stated that I'm not a beer snob and actually rarely drink anything other than coors light. I just really despise the taste of bud/bud light for some reason.

I don't like bud either, but bud here is way different to US bud (from what i remember, had one bottle like 5 years ago)

[d0zer]

Every other nation's swill is leagues ahead of American swill. American swill is the worst because companies are savvy enough to convince Americans to identify with it

American craft beer is leagues ahead of every other nation, however.

I've heard Americans make this claim before, and I always question how aware they are of other countries' craft beer offerings. It's not like the 'real' craft beer has much if any international distribution to make it to store shelves in the USA, so unless you've spent significant time living in another country...I'm not sure how you can make the claim that american craft beer is "leagues ahead" of beer anywhere else. Even with travel your sample sizes are typically small.

Sounds to me like patriotic overcompensation for being the butt-end of shitty beer jokes internationally.

[kiwiMark]

gotta agree with d0zer on this, especially given that new zealand craft beer is streets ahead of all the competiton

[supa]

Am I reading that wrong or is it just d0z and kiwi?

[wufwugy]

I've heard Americans make this claim before, and I always question how aware they are of other countries' craft beer offerings. It's not like the 'real' craft beer has much if any international distribution to make it to store shelves in the USA, so unless you've spent significant time living in another country...I'm not sure how you can make the claim that american craft beer is "leagues ahead" of beer anywhere else. Even with travel your sample sizes are typically small.

Sounds to me like patriotic overcompensation for being the butt-end of shitty beer jokes internationally.

US pwns the tar out of the competition due to substantially higher quantity and better laws, which increases quality. No other country comes close to competing quantitatively, and Belgium is a good example of a country that makes great beer yet is shackled by its laws.

Here you can see top 50 by country. There are a myriad of other ways to find out. I'm not an expert, and I depend on the thoughts of those I know who are. Even then, when I go looking for crafts and micros, it's insane how much of it is brewed in the US. Maybe about 20% of those I've tried were imports from various countries

http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/country/united-states/213/

The word among the cool folks is that other countries do the best mass produced beer, and US does the best non-mass produced.

[supa]

Nope, it was me.

[boost]

Not that intuition proves anything, but it really does make sense that the greatest craft beer scene would emerge in the country with the worst mass market beers.

Anyone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've heard, in much of Europe you go in a Pub and order a pint and they give you a pint, without asking what kind. That's because they have one kind. What I gather is that local and regional breweries have a strong grasp on their respective markets, so you end up with lots of interesting and unique beers due to a lack of competition. In the states you have the opposite, you almost never see a bar with only one beer selection, on the contrary, it's not uncommon to walk into a bar which has dozens and dozens of beers to offer. So you end up with lots of interesting and unique beers, which have to directly compete with each other. Breweries are far more likely to try new things in the hopes of wowing an ever increasingly astute audience. And this sort of competition fueled creativity is what creates the cutting edge in any creative endeavor.

[wufwugy]

Not that intuition proves anything, but it really does make sense that the greatest craft beer scene would emerge in the country with the worst mass market beers.

Anyone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've heard, in much of Europe you go in a Pub and order a pint and they give you a pint, without asking what kind. That's because they have one kind. What I gather is that local and regional breweries have a strong grasp on their respective markets, so you end up with lots of interesting and unique beers due to a lack of competition. In the states you have the opposite, you almost never see a bar with only one beer selection, on the contrary, it's not uncommon to walk into a bar which has dozens and dozens of beers to offer. So you end up with lots of interesting and unique beers, which have to directly compete with each other. Breweries are far more likely to try new things in the hopes of wowing an ever increasingly astute audience. And this sort of competition fueled creativity is what creates the cutting edge in any creative endeavor.

I was going to add some capitalism and cultural sensibilities to my explanation, but you did it much better

[d0zer]

Even then, when I go looking for crafts and micros, it's insane how much of it is brewed in the US. Maybe about 20% of those I've tried were imports from various countries

Wait, you're telling me that when you go looking for craft beer in the US that most of it is brewed in the US?

gitattahea

[wufwugy]

Wait, you're telling me that when you go looking for craft beer in the US that most of it is brewed in the US?

gitattahea

US imports everything. You're not winning this one

[BennyLaRue]

He's suggesting you don't know what the craft in craft beer means, Stephen.

[boost]

US imports everything. You're not winning this one

Yeah, I mean, you're just wrong here.

[wufwugy]

Yeah, I mean, you're just wrong here.

Of course not everything

[wufwugy]

He's suggesting you don't know what the craft in craft beer means, Stephen.

Yes the extent of its regionality, I do not know

[Savy]

Anyone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've heard, in much of Europe you go in a Pub and order a pint and they give you a pint, without asking what kind. That's because they have one kind.

You can not.

edit - may be unfiar, I'm only talking about a lot of western eurpean countries.

[kiwiMark]

can confirm I've also never been to a pub in euroland with (anything approaching) only one type of beer, but likewise the furthest east I've been is poland/czech rep

[boost]

Well, the people I've heard that from all spent time in Europe together. So, maybe they were just extrapolating from their local pub or something.

[d0zer]

US imports everything. You're not winning this one

U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!

[wufwugy]

TIL even when I say USA is bad at something I'm not allowed to say something theyre good at

[Lukie]

Let's haggle over pizza toppings.

I am easy to please there. Plain is acceptable but kind of boring.

I like almost every topping. For meat pepperoni or sausage will do; ditto with onions, peppers, etc. Just. no. fucking. olives.

[wufwugy]

anything but chicken because chicken dries out when baked on pizza

[wufwugy]

funny how you hate olives. i adore them

[boost]

I like good olives on pizza, but cheap canned black olives on pizza are a guilty pleasure.

I'm a big fan of meatless garbage pizza for Chicago style square cut thin crust. For Chicago stuffed, spinach is the nuts. And for New York style thin slices, if the quality is there, the simple stuff is the best-- plain cheese, mushroom, or margaritta ftw.

Btw, does anyone else find it disturbing that there was (and to an extent still is) a successful large national restaurant chain named "California Pizza Kitchen?" I mean, srsly.. that's like a restaurant named "Seattle BBQ Pit" growing into a successful national chain.

[Tom1559]

John Fogherty is definitely one of my favourite musicians and singers with or without pizza.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Chicago style square cut thin crust. For Chicago stuffed, spinach is the nuts. And for New York style thin slices [...]

Chicago style pizza is deep dish.
St. Louis style pizza is thin crust, square cut, with provel cheese.
New York style pizza is a medium thickness of crust with a 6-slice pizza (instead of cutting the pizza to produce 8 slices).

Btw, does anyone else find it disturbing that there was (and to an extent still is) a successful large national restaurant chain named "California Pizza Kitchen?" I mean, srsly.. that's like a restaurant named "Seattle BBQ Pit" growing into a successful national chain.

or St. Louis Seafood!

[Lukie]

anything but chicken because chicken dries out when baked on pizza

Agreed, although this does remind me of pizza that my friend's mom used to make. I think she would sautee or stir-fry chicken and peppers on the side and then add them to the pizza afterwards. The pizza itself was made from scratch with real/fresh cheese etc. Phenomenal.

[Luco]

Meh to credence cleawater, evian is where it's at

[boost]

STL style pizza is awful.

I disagree that Chicago style is deep dish. I feel like that's a common misconception. Name a famous Chicago pizzeria, Giordanos, Carmens, Unos, Gino's, etc. They are known for their stuffed pizza, not deep dish. I guess deep dish is a Chicago thing too, Lou Malnatti's and Pequod's don't have stuffed IIRC, but are famous for their deep dish.

[Lukie]

boost we seriously need to hang out again sometime. You are in charge of all things relating to food. I will be the bartender or something

[kiwiMark]

I guess there's no reason for anyone to care but for a dirty foreigner perspective, chicago and new york style pizza are both well known, the only reason I've ever heard of St Louis being a place at all is mcat badmouthing it

[boost]

Gabe said he might be in Chicago sometime over the summer. You should figure out when that is and come too?

[boost]

I guess there's no reason for anyone to care but for a dirty foreigner perspective, chicago and new york style pizza are both well known, the only reason I've ever heard of St Louis being a place at all is mcat badmouthing it

I had had it before, and just thought that it was gross, bad pizza. I never knew it was STL style. Then Mcat started ranting about it on Skype one day.

[Chelle]

Best pizza I've ever had was a couple weeks ago at this little local place that only has like 3 different places around town.

16 inch with their homemade sauce, cheese, bacon, mushrooms, pepperoni, and green peppers. so simple, but damn it was good as fuck.

[NightGizmo]

Gabe said he might be in Chicago sometime over the summer. You should figure out when that is and come too?

FTR meetup! Pick a bar when they are in town, let me know when, and I'll try to meet you guys for a couple drinks.