kinda sounds like you're going in the wrong direction with your argument imo.
the skill advantage (especially at lower stakes) comes moreso from making pots very big when you're likely ahead and keeping pots small when you're behind. fish who are really bad allow you to get 3 streets of value out of them when you have top pair+ and they have a hand as bad as second pair top kicker, whereas when YOU have second pair you are able to get to showdown really cheap (or fold and not be cost much) when they have even extremely good hands (especially if they are out of position, fish tend to check and small bet a ton which allows you to lose a small amount of money).
the whole won without showdown argument isn't far from the argument that the Borgata East Coast Poker Tournament uses that's like "You both have two cards, and yours don't need to be better than theirs to take the pot down!!!!!!!" you're better off explaining how position allows you to control the size of the pot and explaining exploitability and proving how when someone limp/calls marginal hands preflop they like automatically lose money regardless of how they play the rest of the hand, etc.
i could show you my graphs with massif redlines, but the green line isn't as good as a lot of people who have break even or slightly winning redlines, thus at best complicating your point and at worst disproving it
Reply With Quote
