re wufs explanation. It really shows you how inadequate debates and back-and-forth arguments are for achieving a meaninful understanding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOi2xqrQFSI

They both can sound like they're very right and very understanding apparently on all issues. Could certainly convince me on the merits of both their points but leave me with no real ability to make a good decision.

And this is how we figure out how to elect presidents. Just seems like we're way off.