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    Health Canada can't control psychedelic herb
    KENYON WALLACE

    Canadian Press

    OTTAWA — A common garden herb that packs a powerful psychedelic punch has some federal health officials recommending strict controls.

    Health Canada, however, says it cannot regulate the use of salvia divinorum until there is more evidence of its dangers.

    Department documents obtained by the Canadian Press under Access to Information law say salvia is being used by adolescents and young adults for its hallucinogenic properties.

    A December, 2005, report by the marketed health products directorate, an arm of Health Canada, recommends that salvia be placed under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.

    Department spokesman Jason Bouzanis said salvia has been known to cause hallucinations, out-of-body experiences, unconsciousness and short-term memory loss. But that is not enough to declare it illegal.

    “We can't make any recommendations to place salvia under the Controlled Drug and Substances Act schedules until we have sufficient scientific and empirical data that concludes it has the potential for misuse and abuse,” Mr. Bouzanis said.

    Salvia, also known as Sally D, the diviner's sage or the sage of seers, is legal to possess, distribute and consume in every country except Australia. It is a species of sage, which belongs to the mint family, and is most commonly found in Mexico, where indigenous Mazatec shamans have used it for centuries for spiritual journeys.

    Salvia leaves are most commonly dried and smoked. Extracts of salvinorin-A, salvia's active ingredient, are available in tablet form, with prices ranging anywhere from $30 to $80 in Canada depending on the potency desired. Most online sellers of salvia advertise the herb as a natural health product.

    An October, 2006, report by the natural health products directorate of Health Canada, which is responsible for assessing safety among all marketed health products, highlights four cases of adverse reactions to salvia.

    One case involves a 16-year-old Canadian boy who reportedly became incoherent, suicidal, and threatened to kill police officers after taking a single tablet of salvia in March, 2005.

    Despite being aware of salvia's potentially harmful effects, the RCMP cannot crack down on the herb.

    “As far as including salvia included under the Controlled Substances Act, that's Health Canada's responsibility,” Sergeant Nathalie Deschênes said. “The RCMP is always concerned about any substance or product that may put the safety and security of Canadians at risk.”

    The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration lists salvia as a “drug of concern” but it has not been banned by the U.S. federal government.

    Missouri and Louisiana have criminalized the herb, and there are proposals to make it illegal in Alaska, Illinois, Oregon and Wyoming.

    Dr. Bryan Roth, a professor of pharmacology at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, is very concerned about the availability of the herb.

    “Salvia is the world's most potent naturally occurring hallucinogen,” he said.

    “You wouldn't want to be driving a car, or you wouldn't want to be on a balcony in a high building so the concern is that if individuals were to take a sufficient dose, they might get themselves or others into trouble.

    “The distribution is totally unregulated so unsuspecting teens or even children younger than teenage years might chance upon it and that's a recipe for disaster.”

    But for one salvia user, such concerns are unnecessary.

    “Salvia is so intense, most people only try it once or twice,” said Ryan (Big P) Poelzer, who works at the Urban Shaman, a popular botanical store in downtown Vancouver.

    He said the store sells at least fifty pills every week, mainly to people between the ages of 19 and 25.

    Mr. Poelzer, 20, described his experiences using salvia as “mind blowing” and “out of this world.”

    “You don't think you're in this world and you don't think you're coming back. It's like going into outer space. Time being ripped in half is a good way of describing it.

    “It's definitely the most powerful psychedelic out there.”
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    i want to try some
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    Ive tried it before but it wasnt that cool. The effects of it only last for like 20 minutes.
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    shit FUCKS you up.
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    why whould this not already be a 'controlled' substance ?

    to those who've tried it , does it compare to marijuanna ? if there's a *legal* alternative with similar effects , ud think there would be a larger following .

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    It does not compare to weed, the experience is completely different. It is more disorientating, and as said its a psychadelic compound. Not a fun experience in my opinion.
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    Some of my friends got some but I didnt get to sample it before it was gone. They didnt much enjoy it.
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    it didnt do shit to me, but my friend was jacked up from it
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    drugs are bad mmmkay.
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    I personally don't understand why this would be entertaining. Being way fucked for 20 min and coming back? I personally liked the "trip" where you leave for a couple hours, it's an adventure.
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    It's crazy and very interesting. You used to be able to order it very easily on the internet, not sure if that's still true. If you find it, make sure to get the 10x extract and not the leaf. You have to smoke a TON of the leaf and it tastes like ass. Be careful how much of the extract you smoke, b/c trip reports from high doses include seeing divine beings, being abducted by aliens, etc. I've never had the balls to go for that level. Also, make sure you have a sober "sitter" just in case you do a little too much. They can keep track of all the funny shit you do/say while you're on it too.

    It's mind-altering in a completely different way than any other hallucinogen, imo. Very hard to describe, but I've felt euphoria, the presence of evil, realized that my consciousness is stitched into the fabric of the universe, rolled around on my lawn giggling hysterically, and so on. It also makes your body feel pretty weird/interesting. It hits you instantaneously and doesn't last that long, which is pretty cool if a) you're not enjoying it or b) want to do something other than wig out later on.
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    Where can I get some? Maybe a tobacco shop might carry some?
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    Google salvia divinorum.
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    lol a tabacco shop?
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    Considering tobacco is a drug. If its legal, and you smoke it... is it such a reach that a tabacco shop would sell it.
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    Yeah you can get it at alot of hemp/tobacco shops, if not online. I recommend the 20x extract. Also, it works best if you smoke it out of a bong using a jet lighter. Take two big rips and enjoy.
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    theres another thread with alot of info on this stuff in it, but I also tried it. It didn't do anything to me, but my brother started seeing 5' tall ducks in my basement.
    Another friend,I mean a guy I know,who is a major pot head and psychodellic drug user tried this stuff, and said he will never do it again! He said he turned into a bicycle tire for about 3 or 4 minutes.
    def, make sure you have a sober buddy so you dont decide you can fly!!
    Also, the Head shop in my local town sells that stuff. You can also buy the plant (white sage)in some places, and make your own tea.
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