Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
So you're against gun ownership, now?
What I said doesn't suggest that.

Or what, you think the appropriate punishment for all crimes is life in prison or capital punishment?
What I said doesn't suggest that.

Americans who have been photographed with guns and have been in gangs and imprisoned eventually get out of prison and are let back directly into the USA.
They can swear that they are not reformed and that they will commit more crimes and we still let them out of prison because their sentence for the crimes they were caught committing has been served.
This is called American justice.
You against that, too?
Derived from premise my words didn't suggest.


What are you saying? That you should be the arbiter of who has which needs?
Not suggested by what I said.


Those refugees are criminals, and those are 2 separate issues.
Importing criminals is not a separate issue from importing criminals.

I thought Saudi Arabia was a hotbed of evil and iniquity to you? How is having them on board a plus to you?
Because reality.

@wuf:
No judicial system is perfect. Some innocents will be wrongfully punished. Some guilty will be wrongfully set free.
How shall we handle our imperfections?

How many innocent Americans should be imprisoned to prevent any guilty Americans from eluding the system?
How many guilty Americans should be acceptably allowed to be free, so that we minimize the imprisonment of innocents?

Where do you strike balance? Because assuming that you can have a perfect judicial system is fantasy.


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Personally, I'd prefer to err on the side of letting a few criminals be free than risk depriving innocents of their rights.
But then, I'm no coward who thinks it's the gov't's job to coddle me with safety.
Whatever Ben Franklin meant, I'm not interested in trading my essential liberties to purchase a bit of security. I'm certainly not interested in trading anyone else's essential liberties on my behalf.
I'm not sure why this is directed at me. How is this related to trying to import fewer terrorists?