The end of the world as we know it

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There is an integral distinction.

You know this isn't a phrase that is ever used in English right? Try just saying what you mean without sounding all high-falootin'

Scriptural adherence to Christianity is contrary to proselytizing by force. Religious reformations are always about a return to scripture. Christianity's reformations have been a wresting of the soul of Christianity away from the corruption of it by the Catholic warlords that you've described, and instead an embracing of Jesus.

That's a pretty broad statement. There's plenty of subsets of Christianity that didn't follow these lines, such as Mormonism.

Islam is the opposite. Scriptural Islam is the way of Muhammad. The way of Muhammad is jihad against non-believers by the sword. Muhammad abrogates every other aspect of Islam. This is taught in every mosque in the world. Muhammad was a warlord who murdered and enslaved, and he died with that as his final message.

Omfg you really believe that in mosques they are teaching people to kill all infidels?

ISIS is only radical to us. To the Islamic scriptures and their teachings, ISIS is the reformation, the return to scripture. Most Muslims have elements of being "nominal Muslims" and elements of secularization. However, it is not from their scriptures and their teachings that they derive this.

The best way to settle this is to ask a typical Muslim whether it is radical or not. I suspect they would mirror my arguments that ISIS is a corruption of Islam, not a return to it's roots or some kind of savior of the religion. Most of them fucking hate it full stop.

Its purpose was jihad against the non-Muhammad-like. In the scriptures, Muhammad's success was entirely by murdering and raping and subjugating. He preached early in life but it didn't work so he changed to being a warlord. Even the most liberal of Imams today teaches total abrogation by Muhammad of all previous teachings. Jihad by the sword is Islam's intent.

It's actually a lot more flexible than this. Jihad is only allowed when they are being directly threatened, such as when someone invades their home. It has to be called for by a top imam. There is no 'global jihad' currently in force against Christianity.

I'm tolerant of people doing whatever they want as long as they don't infringe upon others. This means that I am tolerant of Muslims who do not infringe. What I am not tolerant of is an ideology with the express purpose of killing me.

So you believe the main goal of Islam is to kill all non-believers? By that logic all those Muslims living peaceful lives next to non-muslims over the centuries were in fact traitors to their religion and should have been destroyed.

religions can only reform towards scripture...

Completely false. Protestantism when it emerged was no closer to scripture than Catholicism.

and Islam scripture is jihad.

Also false, at least in the way you characterize jihad.

http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/und...m.html?start=9

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That's a pretty broad statement. There's plenty of subsets of Christianity that didn't follow these lines, such as Mormonism.

Mormonism created new scripture. It is not widely considered Christian for this reason. However, it did derive from Christianity.

Omfg you really believe that in mosques they are teaching people to kill all infidels?

I see the confusion in how I said it. What I meant was that every mosque teaches the abrogation by Muhammad of all previous teachings.

The best way to settle this is to ask a typical Muslim whether it is radical or not. I suspect they would mirror my arguments that ISIS is a corruption of Islam, not a return to it's roots or some kind of savior of the religion. Most of them fucking hate it full stop.

Most Muslims are nominal and have some small influences of secularization. I'm not concerned with this or with what most Muslims think because I don't care what they think because it's not relevant to my concern with what the scriptures teach.

It's actually a lot more flexible than this. Jihad is only allowed when they are being directly threatened, such as when someone invades their home. It has to be called for by a top imam. There is no 'global jihad' currently in force against Christianity.

The scriptures, the way of Muhammad, is to lie to infidels if need be. We can assess what's really going on here by assessing what Islam has done. Its track record is one of total disavowal of the claim that it is not about eradication by force of non-Muhammad-like.

So you believe the main goal of Islam is to kill all non-believers? By that logic all those Muslims living peaceful lives next to non-muslims over the centuries were in fact traitors to their religion and should have been destroyed.

Yep. ISIS is the return to Muhammad. Islam is the way of Muhammad. These Muslims you're describing have deviated from this, but not for Islamic reasons.

Completely false. Protestantism when it emerged was no closer to scripture than Catholicism.

Whether or not it was is not the point. The point is that it was an attempt to be. All religious reformations are about an attempt to return to scripture. The Muslims today that do not follow the way of Muhammad do not do so because of scripture, but because of others things outside Islam. There is no movement in the Islamic world about reinterpreting the scriptures away from Muhammad.

Also false, at least in the way you characterize jihad.

http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/und...m.html?start=9

Muhammad's jihad was by the sword. Due to abrogation, this means that Islam's jihad is by the sword. Any Muslims who claim otherwise are apostates.