Family calls shooting of car thief ‘senseless’

[MadMojoMonkey]

Citing Muslim social roles as "dumb" or "oppressive to women" is a failure to understand the culture in its own terms. I have met many Muslim men and women, and every time I've brought up the notion of women being oppressed, they have patiently explained to me how I was misinformed, and missing the big picture.

Specifically, none of the Muslim women I have spoken with feel like they're oppressed. I spoke with them in America, so they could definitely compare women's roles in my culture to women's roles in their own culture. They are quick to cite that there are pros and cons to both systems.

The general opinion of Muslim men I've met is that it's their holy duty to protect all women's safety. They love their families dearly and the notion of real oppression toward women is a surefire way to get them quite agitated.

I'm sure there are better (dumber?) laws you can cite to make your case without such implicit ethnocentrism.

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I wonder if anyone here actually thinks that one culture telling another culture what it is doing wrong is going to help or change anything.

[spoonitnow]

I wonder if anyone here actually thinks that one culture telling another culture what it is doing wrong is going to help or change anything.

Smartest thing I've ever seen you say.

[Savy]

Citing Muslim social roles as "dumb" or "oppressive to women" is a failure to understand the culture in its own terms. I have met many Muslim men and women, and every time I've brought up the notion of women being oppressed, they have patiently explained to me how I was misinformed, and missing the big picture.

Did you tell them they are the ones missing the bigger picture because THERE IS NO GOD!!!

As tbf there isn't.

[Renton]

Citing Muslim social roles as "dumb" or "oppressive to women" is a failure to understand the culture in its own terms. I have met many Muslim men and women, and every time I've brought up the notion of women being oppressed, they have patiently explained to me how I was misinformed, and missing the big picture.

Specifically, none of the Muslim women I have spoken with feel like they're oppressed. I spoke with them in America, so they could definitely compare women's roles in my culture to women's roles in their own culture. They are quick to cite that there are pros and cons to both systems.

The general opinion of Muslim men I've met is that it's their holy duty to protect all women's safety. They love their families dearly and the notion of real oppression toward women is a surefire way to get them quite agitated.

I'm sure there are better (dumber?) laws you can cite to make your case without such implicit ethnocentrism.

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I wonder if anyone here actually thinks that one culture telling another culture what it is doing wrong is going to help or change anything.

Absurd absurd absurd. It's Stockholm syndrome. And the concept of Muslim men having a holy duty to defend all women is patronizing and oppressing in itself. Also, semi-civilized Muslims are gonna paint a different picture to an outsider of what their culture actually is, and you'd be a fool to trust it at face value. I'm all for tolerance of other cultures but you have to have bounds of reason, and Muslim culture is about as indefensible as any culture on the planet.