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    Where in this scenario have I done anything misogynistic? How exactly have I participated in the systematic marginalization of women?
    You haven't, but if I'm a stupid (or insincere) feminist, I could highlight this pay gap and nothing else, call myself a victim, or marginalised, or discriminated against, shout loudly on social media, and leftists the world over will agree that sexism happened.

    Risk taking and negotiating is just one aspect of where men are generally better at forcing their will. But it goes deeper... men are less likely to react emotionally when they encounter perceived discrimination. That's not to say they don't, but to less of a degree. I think women are more likely to lose motivation, or for their competetive edge to be eroded by playing the game. It's quite difficult to put into words the point I'm trying to make, but ultimately I do not feel that women are "marginalised" because I do not believe there is a conscious effort from the system to favour men... it's just the natural differences between men and women, coupled with a cut throat working environment, means men have the upper hand. And why would they give an inch if it means they lose out? It's capitalism, not sexism.
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    I think women are more likely to lose motivation, or for their competetive edge to be eroded by playing the game. It's quite difficult to put into words the point I'm trying to make,
    I think you're trying to make a different point but you happened to have touched on something pretty important.

    It doesn't matter whether we're talking about women, black people, the poor, the disabled, or whatever. When the leaders of your particular "group" make huge public spectacles about how your "group" is marginalized, they are providing an excuse for people who under-achieve. More importantly, they are undermining motivation right from the beginning.

    Why try if it doesn't matter how hard you work. Some man, or white person, or rich guy is gonna screw you over anyway.

    Feminism is one of the worst things to happen to women
    'Black Lives Matter' is one of the worst things to happen to black people
    and Bernie Sanders is one of the worst things to happen to poor people.

    All of these 'movements' have the same message to their constituents...."the system is rigged against you"

    That CRUSHES initiative. Is it possible that sentiment is contributing to a culture that's holding women back?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    and Bernie Sanders is one of the worst things to happen to poor people
    I think you firmly believe that Donald Trump and his Goldman Sachs cabinet members is the best thing to have happened to poor people, right after sliced bread

    Because they really truly understand what poor people are going through, and how hard it is to grow up without a rich daddy, and they really truly completely and thoroughly empathize with their struggle to not buy an iPhone instead of healthcare
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    I think you firmly believe that Donald Trump and his Goldman Sachs cabinet members is the best thing to have happened to poor people, right after sliced bread

    Because they really truly understand what poor people are going through, and how hard it is to grow up without a rich daddy, and they really truly completely and thoroughly empathize with their struggle to not buy an iPhone instead of healthcare
    Is empathy a good thing in a lot of situations? When people are emotionally invested in things they tend to come to some pretty stupid conclusions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    I think you firmly believe that Donald Trump and his Goldman Sachs cabinet members is the best thing to have happened to poor people, right after sliced bread

    Because they really truly understand what poor people are going through, and how hard it is to grow up without a rich daddy, and they really truly completely and thoroughly empathize with their struggle to not buy an iPhone instead of healthcare
    The is the failed logic of the left. The answer to poverty is opportunity, not empathy.

    Someone who empathizes with poor people, is probably not the best tour guide on the road to success. Survivor-ship bias aside, generally speaking the most successful people are probably best suited for determining the conditions for the cultivation of wealth.

    I'll tell you this, encouraging government dependence is NOT a good development for poor people. Beware the exploitation in disguise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Survivor-ship bias aside, generally speaking the most successful people are probably best suited for determining the conditions for the cultivation of wealth.
    For a start the sweeping statement of survivorship bias aside is great, figure that one out and you'll make a few pennies. I disagree with the statement as a whole too really (nor the antithesis) & don't really see any reason why it should be true bar that person made money therefore they understand making money which is such a general nonsense statement that it is meaningless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    For a start the sweeping statement of survivorship bias aside is great, figure that one out and you'll make a few pennies. I disagree with the statement as a whole too really (nor the antithesis) & don't really see any reason why it should be true bar that person made money therefore they understand making money which is such a general nonsense statement that it is meaningless.
    This reads like it was written when you were drunk

    What I think you're saying is that you believe that the difference between wealth and poverty is simply whether or not you win the lottery of life. And anyone who is successful, probably got there by accident.

    It's not hard to look at large groups of successful people and identify the common threads. Did you put up a good effort in school? Did you say no to drugs? Did you avoid getting a girl pregnant? Etc etc.

    It's not unreasonable to ask those people to help others find the same path.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    This reads like it was written when you were drunk

    What I think you're saying is that you believe that the difference between wealth and poverty is simply whether or not you win the lottery of life. And anyone who is successful, probably got there by accident.

    It's not hard to look at large groups of successful people and identify the common threads. Did you put up a good effort in school? Did you say no to drugs? Did you avoid getting a girl pregnant? Etc etc.

    It's not unreasonable to ask those people to help others find the same path.
    Nah none of that you're just a mong.

    You clearly don't understand survivorship bias on any level.
    Last edited by Savy; 04-25-2017 at 11:30 AM.

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