FTR Endorses Obama!

[Jack Sawyer]

nh

[Jack Sawyer]

if you are wondering what i'm about, the banner on top of the site keeps rotating. one of the rotations says "Tyson, Eric and Xianti endorse Obama. Obama '08"

if i was a yankee and could vote, obama would get mine.

mccain is an old and angry fart with military delusions, hillary a lying/exaggerating and conniving bitch, and obama the guy with the weird racist pastor and a propensity to say "um.." during speeches.

i'd take the big o every day

[zook]

I read this on cnn.com first.

FTR.

[jdubs]

Obama FTW

[XBOXXBOXXBOX]

Obama FTW

[Unibomber14]

I still don't know how I feel about someone with the middle name Hussein in office. Kinda creepy.

[bigspenda73]

I read this on cnn.com first.

FTR.

what'd you read on cnn

[Hawk]

I still don't know how I feel about someone with the middle name Hussein in office. Kinda creepy.

OMG!!! AND HIS LAST NAME ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE OSAMA!! HE MUST BE TERRORIST!!!!

But seriously, it's not any creepier to me than have some guy name Bush, or some lady name Clinton in office.

[will641]

god jack you are such a racist for making that pic your avatar.

[euphoricism]

lololadblockaments.

[XTR1000]

ive stared at it 10minutes now cuz im drunk and ahve nohting better to do...but hey, us eurofish love obama

[boost]

I still don't know how I feel about someone with the middle name Hussein in office. Kinda creepy.

you do realize that it is a very very common surname right? Its like Wilson, Smith, ect. Its seriously sad that anyone would mention this as a legitimate reason for not supporting a candidate.

[Jack Sawyer]

god jack you are such a racist for making that pic your avatar.

ROOAAAARRRRR!!!


ME TARZAN, SHE JANE, WE FUK!!!!!!



in all seriousness, I represent the "Big Black Men who love Slender Blonde Supermodel Chicks" segment

[Jack Sawyer]

I still don't know how I feel about someone with the middle name Hussein in office. Kinda creepy.

So the constant mentioning of Barack HUSSEIN Obama did have the desired effect? I damn you, Fox News

[Jack Sawyer]

god jack you are such a racist for making that pic your avatar.

LOL I really do not see how or why this pic sparked such a controversy
There are some really frivoulous people in this world, who have absolutely nothing better to do than to make a storm in a glass of water on every chance they get

There are more important (not to mention REAL) issues such as kids dying of hunger in Afrika, and my bankroll being affected by the American recession/ depression

[Unibomber14]

I still don't know how I feel about someone with the middle name Hussein in office. Kinda creepy.

you do realize that it is a very very common surname right? Its like Wilson, Smith, ect. Its seriously sad that anyone would mention this as a legitimate reason for not supporting a candidate.

I don't think that this is a legitimate reason. It was a joke. I do know someone who thinks it is though.

I also have a friend who, I know not to be racist. I mean he is one of my best friends, but he feels its wrong to have anyone who is not a middle aged white guy in office. I think that's a ridiculous reason. I also think it's hilarious because of how stupid a comment it is.

Anyway, I won't say who I'm voting for. Suffice it to say, none of the candidates share close to most of my ideals and morals. That's just me though.

[UG]

Try to solve the riddle without looking at the answer at the bottom.



I almost got fired from my job because I sent this in an e-mail. **






** Okay, so I didn't almost get fired, but my principal said, "Are you a fucking idiot? Why would you send something like this out over school e-mail?"

(I sent this to a bunch of male coaches in our school and accidentally sent it to a woman who didn't think the joke was funny, lol)

[boost]

hahaha

uni, yah I shoulda known it was a joke. But how do you consider your friend not to be racist when he holds that view? Im not saying hes a skinhead or anything, but clearly there is a level of racism there.

[UG]

I LOVE COUNTRY MUSIC

[boost]

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[animal_chin]

So I've always wanted to drunk post about something. So here it is. LOL Obama is th3 shit loollll. I voted for him. Have a good time i Love all of you, and i am Listening to Styx right now so Come sail away beep beeep beepetriiller bla bla bla end.

[ilikeaces86]

LIke taxes aren't already high enough.. Vote democrat lol NO!

[Xianti]

I read this on cnn.com first.

FTR.

???

[bode]

LIke taxes aren't already high enough.. Vote democrat lol NO!

ill post something to go along with this when i get into work if i remember. but yeah, lol democrat

[frosst]

im all for a revolution.......as in a real life civil war to install ron paul as our dictator. boom headshot

[will641]

democrats are more than willing to spend and redistribute as much of our tax $$$ as they wish, but ironically, they arent so generous when it comes to their own money. republicans donate more of their personal funds to charities and such.

[pgil]

democrats are more than willing to spend and redistribute as much of our tax $$$ as they wish, but ironically, they arent so generous when it comes to their own money. republicans donate more of their personal funds to charities and such.

you do realize that todays republican party is not the thrifty, small government fiscally conservative party that it used to be right. Sure they may still slash taxes for the rich and allow corporations to pay virtually no taxes, but they will spend as much if not more than any democrat. And wouldn't you rather a fairer tax system coupled with fiscal responsibility (which includes money for social programs and not for rich friends and war mongers) rather than having the lower classes shoulder a larger portion of the tax burden than they can bear while continuing to gain no real benefits from this taxation? I doubt that most in either party will actually do anything progressive, so I guess it doesn't really matter anyways. They all seem to be slaves to their corporate masters.

[bode]

i got this email yesterday at work from a democrat nonetheless. its kind of long.

Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:



CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN

15% (no change)


OBAMA

28%


CLINTON

24%


How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.


DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN

15% (no change)


OBAMA

39.6%


CLINTON

39.6%


How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama or Clinton become president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.'



INCOME TAX

MCCAIN

(no changes)

Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250



OBAMA

(reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)

Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750



CLINTON

(reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)

Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750


How does this affect you? No explanation needed. This is pretty straight forward.





INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN

0%

(No change, Bush repealed this tax)



OBAMA

keep the inheritance tax



CLINTON

keep the inheritance tax



How does this affect you? Many families have lost businesses, farms and ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will not only lose them to these taxes.



NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY BOTH CLINTON AND OBAMA



* New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet

* New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already)

* New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity)

* New taxes on retirement accounts

and last but not least....



* New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!



Can you afford Clinton or Obama? I can't!!!!!



(in case you want more information on Obama's tax and spend agenda:



If Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) Could Enact All Of His Campaign Proposals, Taxpayers Would Be Faced With Financing $874.35 Billion In New Spending Over One White House Term: Updated February 14, 2008:



Obama's National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank Will Cost $60 Billion Over Ten Years; Equal To $6 Billion A Year And $24 Billion Over Four Years. Obama: 'I'm proposing a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank that will invest $60 billion over ten years.' (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks On Economic Policy, Janesville, WI, 2/13/08)



Obama's Health Care Plan Will Cost Up To $65 Billion A Year; Equal To $260 Billion Over Four Years. '[Obama] campaign officials estimated that the net cost of the plan to the federal government would be $50 billion to $65 billion a year, when fully phased in, and said the revenues from rolling back the tax cuts were enough to cover it.' (Robin Toner and Patrick Healy, 'Obama Calls For Wider And Less Costly Health Care Coverage,' The New York Times, 5/30/07)



Obama's Energy Plan Will Cost $150 Billion Over 10 Years, Equal To $15 Billion Annually And $60 Billion Over Four Years. 'Obama will invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial-scale renewable energy, invest in low-emissions coal plants, and begin the transition to a new digital electricity grid.' (Obama For America, 'The Blueprint For Change,' www.barackobama.com, Accessed 1/14/08, p. 25)

Obama's Tax Plan Will Cost Approximately $85 Billion A Year; Equal To $340 Billion Over Four Years. '[Obama's] proposed tax cuts and credits, aimed at workers earning $50,000 or less per year, would cost the Treasury an estimated $85 billion annually.' (Margaret Talev, 'Obama Proposes Tax Code Overhaul To Help The Poor,' McClatchy Newspapers, 9/19/07)

Obama's Plan Would Raise Taxes On Capital Gains And Dividends, And On Carried Interest. Obama's tax plan includes: '[i]ncreasing the highest bracket for capital gains and dividends and closing the carried interest loophole.' (Obama For America, 'Barack Obama: Tax Fairness For The Middle Class,' Fact Sheet, www.barackobama.com, Accessed 1/8/08)
Obama's Economic Stimulus Package Will Cost $75 Billion. 'Barack Obama's economic plan will inject $75 billion of stimulus into the economy by getting money in the form of tax cuts and direct spending directly to the people who need it most.' (Obama For America, 'Barack Obama's Plan To Stimulate The Economy,' Fact Sheet, www.barackobama.com, 1/13/08)

Obama's Early Education And K-12 Package Will Cost $18 Billion A Year; Equal To $72 Billion Over Four Years. 'Barack Obama's early education and K-12 plan package costs about $18 billion per year.' (Obama For America, 'Barack Obama's Plan For Lifetime Success Through Education,' Fact Sheet, www.barackobama.com, 11/20/07, p. 15)

Obama's National Service Plan Will Cost $3.5 Billion A Year; Equal To $14 Billion Over Four Years. 'Barack Obama's national service plan will cost about $3.5 billion per year when it is fully implemented.' (Obama For America, 'Helping All Americans Serve Their Country: Barack Obama's Plan For Universal Voluntary Citizen Service,' Fact Sheet, www.barackobama.com, 12/5/07)

Obama Will Increase Our Foreign Assistance Funding By $25 Billion. 'Obama will embrace the Millennium Development Goal of cutting extreme poverty around the world in half by 2015, and he will double our foreign assistance to $50 billion to achieve that goal.' (Obama For America, 'The Blueprint For Change,' www.barackobama.com, Accessed 1/14/08, p. 53)

Obama Will Provide $2 Billion To Aid Iraqi Refugees. 'He will provide at least $2 billion to expand services to Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries, and ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven.' (Obama For America, 'The Blueprint For Change,' www.barackobama.com, Accessed 1/14/ 08, p. 51)

Obama Will Provide $1.5 Billion To Help States Adopt Paid-Leave Systems. 'As president, Obama will initiate a strategy to encourage all 50 states to adopt paid-leave systems. Obama will provide a $1.5 billion fund to assist states with start-up costs and to help states offset the costs for employees and employers.' (Obama For America, 'The Blueprint For Change,' www.barackobama.com, Accessed 1/14/08, p. 15)

Obama Will Provide $1 Billion Over 5 Years For Transitional Jobs And Career Pathway Programs, Equal To $200 Million A Year And $800 Million Over Four Years. 'Obama will invest $1 billion over five years in transitional jobs and career pathway programs that implement proven methods of helping low-income Americans succeed in the workforce.' (Obama For America, 'The Blueprint For Change,' www.barackobama.com, Accessed 1/14/08, p. 42)

Obama Will Provide $50 Million To Jump-Start The Creation Of An IAEA-Controlled Nuclear Fuel Bank. Obama: 'We must also stop the spread of nuclear weapons technology and ensure that countries cannot build -- or come to the brink of building -- a weapons program under the auspices of developing peaceful nuclear power. That is why my administration will immediately provide $50 million to jump-start the creation of an International Atomic Energy Agency-controlled nuclear fuel bank and work to update the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.' (Sen. Barack Obama, 'Renewing American Leadership,' Foreign Affairs, 7-8/07)

[Jack Sawyer]

All it takes is one FUD-laden email, obviously
Also effective is to copy this fud-laden email accross websites

[pgil]

there seem to be a few inconsistencies in there, especially regarding taxes on lower income individuals.

Eg.

OBAMA

(reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)

Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000

then it says:

[Obama's] proposed tax cuts and credits, aimed at workers earning $50,000 or less per year, would cost the Treasury an estimated $85 billion annually.'

kind of seems as though it will be one or the other.

Also, most of the discussions that I have heard regarding inheritance taxes exempt farms, etc.

also consider the costs of the current programs that some of these will be replacing. for example, this is a paper discussing what the estimated costs of the NCLB legislation would be if fully implemented and properly funded: Public spending on K-12 education was $422.7 billion in 2001-02. If we use a broad -- yet easily justified and extremely conservative -- estimate of 20% added costs for the nation as a whole, that translates into a national increase of about $84.5 billion. An estimate of 35% additional costs yields a national increase of $148 billion.

as for the energy plan, the transition to new energy sources is a necessary one, and the quicker this occurs, the better for the nation as a whole. It could be argued that the Obama plan does not go far enough in investing in this necessary and important area.

I don't think anyone would argue that there is not a need for some sort of international control over nuclear fuel, and a desperate need for an update and strengthening of the nuclear nonproliferation treaty, especially considering one of the big slogans heading into Iraq involved fear mongering over nuclear weapons in the hands of a brutal dictator. 50 million seems like a pretty small price to pay to avoid that.

[ilikeaces86]

Please people do not vote democrat. I will be paying like 200k a year in taxes.

[ProZachNation]

Yeah guys, I do not want to pay high taxes when I am unemployed ldo

Vote Obama, not another old white dude.

[Galapogos]

Yeah guys, I do not want to pay high taxes when I am unemployed ldo

Vote Obama, not another old white dude.

I thought Obama was democrat?

[boost]

first half of his post is sarcasm, second half srsbsns

[Jack Sawyer]

nh, you motherfuckers, i actually fell for it

[will641]

while i dont want to stir political fires, i just cant resist. i really dont see hillary dropping out after this. this was recorded from a guy in a san francisco, i guess in some fundraiser with a small group of wealthy left wingers. this after going through pennsylvania, ohio and other blue collar states talking about how he is against NAFTA, and hes for the working class, etc.

You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

[zook]

I dunno, I tend to agree with that quote. But I'm just a wealthy left winger.

[Fnord]

What's his stance on Online Gambling? If he's said anything very publicly about it I understand this. Otherwise I think it's silly for FTR to endorce him.

As for all that other crap, whatever candiates say about fiscal/tax policy is total crap. We're not a monarchy and they're not bound to any of it anyway.

Remember Bush running on small government and less active forign policy. Under Bush government has expanded even further, become even more authoritarian, we've got ourselves into a 1 trillion dollar war and gas is over $3 a gallon.

[Fnord]

while i dont want to stir political fires, i just cant resist. i really dont see hillary dropping out after this. this was recorded from a guy in a san francisco, i guess in some fundraiser with a small group of wealthy left wingers. this after going through pennsylvania, ohio and other blue collar states talking about how he is against NAFTA, and hes for the working class, etc.

You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

The sick part of this is that a protectionist trade policy won't fix the problem. It's been shown that countries with open markets and fewer restrictions on small buisness grow wealth the fastest. Poverty is the single biggest cause of pollution and a poor standard of living. I really hope he's bright enough to get this and he's just giving lip service to this.

[Fnord]

BTW: My short list of how to unfuck this country.

o Legalize Marijuana
o Decriminalize all other drug use. Reduce sentences, cut most funding for enforcement.
o Worry less about drugs comming accross the border and more about nukes, biologicals, etc.
o Pardons, probations, etc. for non-violent drug offenders currently in prison.

This would be a massive cut of federal spending and injection of fresh labor into the economy.

o Stop screwing around with biofuels that are doing more harm than good.
o Invest in nuclear/wind/hydro/solar/etc. power
o Tax the shit out of gas for non-commercial use

LDO

o Amnesty for illegal immigrants.
o Guest worker program for unskilled labor with no quota/cap (harsh enforcment + penalties for those who don't comply)
o Unlimited immigration for skilled labor and their immediate family.

America has been made great by people born elsewhere who shared our vision. We're only stronger when the best and brightest in the world come here to do great things then stay.

Oh yeah, for what it's worth, I'm about as WASP as you can get, smoked pot once and wasn't impressed.

[Xianti]

What's his stance on Online Gambling? If he's said anything very publicly about it I understand this. Otherwise I think it's silly for FTR to endorce him.

Obama has expressed support for studies on the feasibility of online gambling regulation (as has Clinton) and he's a poker player himself, as has been publicized.

And here's an interesting article:
http://www.pokerplayernewspaper.com/...le.php?id=2538

[Xianti]

I also believe Obama has a much better chance of beating McCain than Clinton does. If McCain is President, online gambling is screwed.

[Xianti]

http://my.barackobama.com/page/outre...n/pokerplayers

[Fnord]

If McCain is President, online gambling is screwed.

How do you figure?

It's really hard to tell exactly what McCain would do about much of anything (with the possible exception of immigration) when put in a position where he has to compromise less.

[will641]

I dunno, I tend to agree with that quote. But I'm just a wealthy left winger.

dude that statement is incredibly elitist. and if you agree with that, thats your own business, but obama is running for president. small towns are kind of the foundation of america. they are the ones mining the coal, doing the farming, doing all the dirty work. when you just flat out disrespect that, its looks really really bad. imo, this is going to be worse than the rev. wright thing, because this came directly from obamas mouth. and you know, with this, the wright thing and why he was at the church for 20 years, his wifes comments, his relationship with 1960's terrorists (i forget their names), we are getting a better picture of who this guy is, because before, no one really knew at all who he is. am i implying that he is a bigot terrorist? no, but i am saying that he is not the guy he says he is.

[will641]

also this will really puts obama in a poor position to get the votes from those gun toting, bible thumping, angry, bitter xenophobes. ldo.

[zook]

So he's disrespecting blue collar America by saying that people from small towns with high unemployment are mostly religious, anti-immigrant, anti-free trade gun owners?

Obama knows more about the plight of poor and working-class people than almost any presidential candidate in recent memory. He was raised by a single mother without much money, he lived for several years of adolescence in a developing country (Indonesia) and he worked for several years after college in poor communities in Chicago. If you read his book, Dreams From My Father I think you'll agree that Obama has the desire and potential to do more for poor and working-class America than any president since WWII.

[boost]

ya, will youre jumping to some pretty elaborate conclusions. I can see how the people he was talking about might take offense, however Im confused why you are taking offense. His statement is spot on and makes perfect sense. The truth hurts sometimes, but I dont see why you think this is some hidden dark side (lol) of obama that we are just now seeing.

How I read what he said is that the elite has played on their fears feeding them pro-gun, pro-christianity and anti-immigration propaganda to keep their frustrations channeled towards anything but the elite.

Like I said, I can see how someone could take this the wrong way, and this could hurt obama, but I think your analysis is horribly off.

[Jack Sawyer]

but I think your analysis is horribly off.

que Fox, baby!

[will641]

the problem is he implies that 2nd amendment rights and religion wouldnt be an issue if there werent hard ships. that is fucking retarded, and if you cant see that, well idk what else to say. and also, they are anti-ILLEGAL immigration, but that detail seemed to have slipped his mind.

and boost, i am from a small town, so that might be why im taking offense. im also taking offense because im sick of hearing how great mr. unity is, and this shit keeps coming out about him. he is an elitist, he is not about hope and unity, he is a hypocrite.

[boost]

Im not naive, I know hes not mr. perfect, but really whats the alternative?

And as far as your break down of what hes implying you are way off once again. What hes saying is that their frustration has been focused on these issues over inflating them when they really are not anywhere near the most important issues for these people. They are focusing on issues that are a matter of being comfortable, while ignoring issues that are a matter of survival. If they really did focus on the issues that really affected their lives, the elite would be in trouble. That is why the elite keeps them focused on these non-issues.

Im not sure where you read or heard this quote but I have a feeling it had a negative spin on it and it struck a cord with you. The way you are reading it certainly could be right, but knowing what we do know about obama I feel my analysis makes far more sense.

[Hawk]

I dunno, I tend to agree with that quote. But I'm just a wealthy left winger.

dude that statement is incredibly elitist. and if you agree with that, thats your own business, but obama is running for president. small towns are kind of the foundation of america. they are the ones mining the coal, doing the farming, doing all the dirty work. when you just flat out disrespect that, its looks really really bad. imo, this is going to be worse than the rev. wright thing, because this came directly from obamas mouth. and you know, with this, the wright thing and why he was at the church for 20 years, his wifes comments, his relationship with 1960's terrorists (i forget their names), we are getting a better picture of who this guy is, because before, no one really knew at all who he is. am i implying that he is a bigot terrorist? no, but i am saying that he is not the guy he says he is.

[boost]

hahahahahahha

[will641]

haha, nice pic.

boost, even if you disagree with my interpretation of what obama said, which is fine because there are two good cases for both interpretations, its just an opinion, its still extremely condescending to those people. this isnt my opinion, this is what they say from blog posts ive read, okay obama thinks were stupid hicks. imo your interpretation is just a personal thing of how you understand it, but if you look at the big picture, his comments will hurt him a lot, and thats really what matters.

[boost]

We'll have to see how it plays out, but I doubt this will cost him the nom or the election. Also your reference to blogs and whatnot is anecdotal, not hard facts.

I think you have painted him as an elitist and then interpreted his words, instead of interpreting his words and then deciding how you feel about him. Just because I say that a person or group of people have been manipulated to serve the will of someone else does not mean I think the people are stupid. So for you to say that there are two sides to this but none the less its condescending either way just shows that you truly cannot see both sides of it.

[will641]

lol i havent painted him as an elitist. this is the first kind of convincing evidence ive seen. and anecdotal??? lol. i dont even know what to say to that. i mean are we in a court room? am i not allowed to say that i read peoples reactions and thats how they reacted? what im saying is there are two ways to interpret it. either way we interpret it, that doesnt change the fact that small town folk, in general, will interpret it in a negative way. saying that somehow makes me not understand that there are two sides? thats like if someone says something racially controversial, and there are two ways to interpret it. 1) there is some truth to what they said, or 2) he is a racist. either way, the minority that he made the comment about will take offense to it.

[boost]

right but thats not what you initially said. You said:

there are two good cases for both interpretations, its just an opinion, its still extremely condescending to those people.

which I read as his statement is a condescending one, however now that I read your last post it seems you were saying that people were going to receive it as being condescending. These are two completely different things and since you seemed so appalled earlier it seemed that you believed the former.

[will641]

yeah when i was writing that message i did it in about 3 segments, because i was working outside and when i would come inside i would delete a little and rephrase it. eventually shit gets jumbled. i went back and read what i said after you pointed it out and it definitely appears as you said it.

[Warpe]

LOL (funny spoof)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwiXzjVZ-8U

[will641]

lol pretty funny. hillary's joker smile really frightens me though, and always has.

[bigspenda73]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zhkq11UExcw&feature=bz303

[will641]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zhkq11UExcw&feature=bz303

oh come on, that is ridiculous. i had to watch it like 4 times to see where he could conceivably flip her off.

[will641]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zhkq11UExcw&feature=bz303

oh come on, that is ridiculous. i had to watch it like 4 times to see where he could conceivably flip her off.

hm, actually i just saw this on tv where it wasnt totally choppy, and it definitely looks like he could be making it intentional, but that is just too common a motion to think it was deliberate.

[Warpe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyhIBXNfqMA

[ZwiFT]

who is this obama guy?

[a500lbgorilla]

Glenn Beck told me to not vote for Obama last night on the television so I can not vote for Obama based on the merits of Glenn Beck's opinion.

[will641]

that is really funny warpe.

[deacon_bluez]

Voting for either Barack or Hillary is extremely -EV for your real life BR (in terms of taxes alone, never mind wasteful spending).

[boost]

Voting for either Barack or Hillary is extremely -EV for your real life BR (in terms of taxes alone, never mind wasteful spending).

ya I see what youre saying.

anyways, how many billion is being pumped into the war every week?

ok, wait, I guess I dont see what youre saying.

[will641]

[deacon_bluez]

Voting for either Barack or Hillary is extremely -EV for your real life BR (in terms of taxes alone, never mind wasteful spending).

ya I see what youre saying.

anyways, how many billion is being pumped into the war every week?

ok, wait, I guess I dont see what youre saying.

You make a good point. (Not about the war necessarily. I think we need to be there and finish business.) Republicans have gotten just as bad as the Dems for wild and wasteful spending. They were lined up to do good things (i.e., mainly reduce government and quit holding people down) with a Republican prez and congress, and they totally squandered the opportunity. I'm a hard core conservative, and I don't feel there's a party any more for me. (Don't anyone try to sell Libertarian to me... been down that road.)

[boost]

ya, I mean neo-convservs are arguably less conservative than the democrats currently.

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ya, I mean neo-convservs are arguably less conservative than the democrats currently.

dont mean to be nit picky, but i wouldnt call them conservatives at all. more like neo-republican. some might say its distinction without a difference, but there definitely is.

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do you guys think rev. wright is deliberately trying to hurt obama because he denounced what wright said about the government creating aids for genocidal purposes, etc.?

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I think Wright has delusions of grandeur. I honestly think he isn't intentionally trying to hurt Obama - Wright believes what he says - but it's interesting that a Clinton supporter is behind arranging his National Press Club appearance.

Regardless, this could be fatal.