Game of Thrones TV Thread **HBO-Purists ONLY**

[wufwugy]

if cleganebowl doesn't happen imma find dnd and reek them.

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*crickets*

[wufwugy]

wall defo coming down

i wonder if cersei dies this season

how crazy would it be if euron is successful in his priceless gift quest and actually captures tyrion and brings him too kl

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Hard to say if it'll be this season, a lot has to happen for her death to make sense plot wise-- but she's surely a lock to catch it before the show wraps, Jaime is up there too.

As for the show as a whole: My guess is that whatever we get will be top tier television, but this opener has me a bit worried. There's a lot of short cuts in the writing and things just feel rushed. Arya did her dirt, and then in the same episode we got a forced line between Cersei and Jaime (I think it was literally "...that thing with the Frayes.") to let us know that they know. GoT almost never did this before, having exposition in dialog when all characters present are already in the know, and when it did happen, it wasn't so jarring and sloppy.

[wufwugy]

Yup. D&D have wanted out for a while. The show is putting what may be 4 full seasons of material into 2 shortened seasons. I'm expecting tons of cut corners.

[oskar]

What bothered me the most was the revelation that there's a mountain of dragonglass which has been used in the past to defeat the white walkers, and then everyone just forgot about it. wut?
Slow start to the season. I'm fairly confident that there will be truly unexpected turns. Cercei believably becoming the mad queen would be pretty brilliant. Dani and Jon bashing their heads in and the white walkers cleaning afterwards up could do the trick.

I feel like I've forgotten so much about this show already. I almost want to watch that awful catch-up episode.

[BananaStand]

I don't want spoilers so I'm probably gonna stay out of this thread, even though I like GoT. I honestly don't understand how you people can watch a show, one episode per week. Personally, I probably won't watch this season until it's over and I can watch it in 3-5 hour chunks.

My overall comments on the show......They could have done the whole thing without the white walkers, and the story would have been FINE.

Knights, Ladies, Lords, War, Politics, Rivalries, Dragons, Conquerors, intrigue, drama, romance, conflict, blood, guts, and tits.

isn't that enough? We need fucking zombies too? Pfffffffffffft

[oskar]

You're not wrong.

[JKDS]

I like the impending zombie Doom tho.

And how bout that Ed Sheeren?

[oskar]

Not sure if I should feel proud or out of the loop for having no idea who that is.

Checked youtube... it's not pride, it's ambivalence.
New Justin Bieber, right?
I didn't think anything of him when I was watching the show. I guess he did alright.

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Not sure if I should feel proud or out of the loop for having no idea who that is.

Checked youtube... it's not pride, it's ambivalence.
New Justin Bieber, right?
I didn't think anything of him when I was watching the show. I guess he did alright.

Yeah, that's how I feel-- but if he is in fact the new Bieber, I can only imagine how distracting it would have been to have Bieber doing a cameo, no matter how good of a job he did. Again, it didn't bother me one bit, but come on, this isn't Law and Order...

[wufwugy]

I'm guessing Euron's gift will be Ellaria.

I had a thought to skip this season because like a fool I think TWOW may be out before 2018. It will probably be significantly better than this season.

[JKDS]

I mean, he's beiber in the sense that he's a guy doing pop music that chicks like.

But not in the sense of telling Ann Frank she should be a belieber and thinking he can rap.

[Juked07]

Non-sheeran fans don't hold him in nearly as low esteem as non-bieber fans hold bieber though. ie his name doesn't work as the punchline of various jokes like bieber's does. (US expat living in London atm)

[Savy]

I don't watch GOT but Ed Sheran in the UK as popular as he is kind of has smaller roots that makes him a real thing. I actually have a friend who brags about knowing him form his early stuff (which tbf he did as I don't follow pop music and knew about him years and years ago) but it was never particularly good or interesting.

Beiber is much more hated, Sheeran is just kind of a big musician now that people may not like but they don't dislike him as they would others. I would say that other UK people have mentioned it was a weird thing for him to appear in the show.

It's just a PR thing that when the show is that popular already seems a bit odd. It will have definitely drawn in more viewers for the fist ep though.

[wufwugy]

the grey wurm missandei shit is absolutely fucking barmy.

[wufwugy]

I'm not the world's biggest fan regarding how the two Sand Snakes died. I don't like seeing big men hurt little women. But maybe that's just me being a racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, micro-aggressing, xenophobic, land-whale phobic, gender-assuming bigot.

[wufwugy]

If Gendry shows up in a rowboat with bulging lats and biceps and picks up Theon in the middle of the sea, GoT will officially be the greatest show of all time.

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the grey wurm missandei shit is absolutely fucking barmy.

Yeah.. however this use of their characters is infinitely better than Tyrion being forced into what was meant to be comic relief scenes with them. Also, naked Missandei is worth the very mildly cringiness.

Really, I think the biggest problem with Greyworm stuff is that they are stuck with the accent. It worked great when he was a supreme bad ass of few words, a killing machine dropping one liners to illuminate his and the rest of the unsullied's insane origin story-- but while I think the actor is decent, he's just not good enough to act in complex scenes while being handicapped by the accent and stunted grammar.

If Gendry shows up in a rowboat with bulging lats and biceps and picks up Theon in the middle of the sea, GoT will officially be the greatest show of all time.

lolyes, I think this >>>>>>> cleganebowl



It's crazy how essentially all of Baelish's character motivation is born of being physically manhandled by Starks.

I loved the naval battle, it was possibly the best battle yet. At first I was put off just a little by how stylized it was, but then when it culminates in Theon PTSD'ing off the boat, it works so well. It's reminiscent of the bridge battle in Apocalypse now. Quite a different tone, but it feels like this surreal nightmare which really gives the scene a POV feeling as opposed to a disembodied observer. Also, Euron's entry was so unbelievably badass, it was on the level of some of the best shots in 300.

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lolyes, I think this >>>>>>> cleganebowl

The Paddler Who Was Promised.

Arow Ahai.

[wufwugy]

Littlefinger's demise was foreshadowed this episode. The Jon/LF interactions paralleled the Ned/LF interactions in multiple ways. With Ned, LF then betrayed him and Ned fell for it. But this time LF will betray Jon yet something will happen that will save Jon from the same fate, resulting in LF getting fucked. That something will probably be Sansa outsmarting LF, contrasting how it was her as a naive girl who accidentally betrayed her father in the first place. In poetic fashion, she'll save her brother (cousin) where she got her father killed.

[JKDS]

Littlefinger's demise was foreshadowed this episode. The Jon/LF interactions paralleled the Ned/LF interactions in multiple ways. With Ned, LF then betrayed him and Ned fell for it. But this time LF will betray Jon yet something will happen that will save Jon from the same fate, resulting in LF getting fucked. That something will probably be Sansa outsmarting LF, contrasting how it was her as a naive girl who accidentally betrayed her father in the first place. In poetic fashion, she'll save her brother (cousin) where she got her father killed.

Sounds spot on.

I'm hoping we don't get that far though. Jon leaves, and Sansa fucks up everything because she has no sense but thinks she's hot shit. I foresee treachery, or mutiny, or a surprise attack by cersei that just kills them all.

[wufwugy]

Sounds spot on.

I'm hoping we don't get that far though. Jon leaves, and Sansa fucks up everything because she has no sense but thinks she's hot shit. I foresee treachery, or mutiny, or a surprise attack by cersei that just kills them all.

Sadly, I do think Sansa dies before the end yet I have no idea how. So you may be right.

[wufwugy]

Easily Mark Mylod's best episode. He made up for the Waifinator debacle of last season. I'm sincerely pleased with how Euron has been characterized by now. Comic book villain is a big step up from mean uncle of last season.

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I think the fact that they told instead of showed us of Euron's exploits is actually a rare good use of what is typically weak story telling. We were kinda POV'ing from the perspective of the Iron Islanders, who hadn't seen Euron in years (decades?) and only were hearing of his adventures second hand from him at that moment. Then when we get this navy battle, we're (and the Iron Islanders presumably) are all like "ooooooh snap, he wasn't playin!"

[JKDS]

I'm hoping little finger is a Professor Snape though. Either that, or he should sneakily ursurp everything and be revealed as the real big bad

[wufwugy]

My endgame for some of the characters:

I predict that Dany will fall in love with Jon soon (maybe starting next episode). They will be betrothed at some point, but then near the very end of the series, Jon will kill her to save Westeros or to slay the dragons in a pact with the walkers or something.

Arya to be the last Stark in Winterfell, living the life that Ned said she would and she never thought she would.

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Arya to be the last Stark in Winterfell, living the life that Ned said she would and she never thought she would.

This is good.

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Somehow little finger is going to fuck over John Snow and Sansa. I'm waiting for it.

[oskar]

This show would be a little bit better if every time Littlefinger shows up and sais something ominous everyone would just go "oh fuck off'". And then he sais something snarky and they just go "yeah yeah" and do the talking hand thing and walk away and he just stands there smiling stupidly.
Also they should have casted Steve Buscemi.

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And Varys played by John Goodman screaming at him, "You're out of your element, Petey!"

[oskar]

While that would be a great casting choice, I think you're cheating because you could make any movie better by casting John Goodman as any of the characters.

[wufwugy]

Best actor alive (or working). You know, since PSH is dead and DDL is retired.

[Savy]

So basically Roseanne > GoT?

[oskar]

In many ways.

[Savy]

In many ways.

Do you mean that seriously? I'm no fan of GoT, not my genre. Roseanne on the other hand is a pretty fantastic, of it's time boundary pushing, tv show that stands up to rewatching as the last time I watched it was recently. It definitely bombs out it's ass in the last season but so?

It also is starting up again which I'm not really excited about in thinking its' going ot be good but I will definitely watch. Sarah Chalke* <3

*Her entrance was actually the downfall of the show imo, too much 4th wall referencing shit going on.

[wufwugy]

Roseanne Barr loves Trump. Therefore you guys love Trump via proxy. Suckers.

[wufwugy]

I'll have to rewatch to be sure, but does it seem like Euron/Lannisters might be getting insider info? Could Varys be a double agent?

[BananaStand]

I'll have to rewatch to be sure, but does it seem like Euron/Lannisters might be getting insider info? Could Varys be a double agent?

That would be pretty stupid considering we had that whole scene where Dany challenges his loyalty and he professes to be a straight-shooter. Why have all that drama over what a stand-up guy he is if he is just gonna turn out to be a douchebag? The only reason for something like that would be to piss off the audience. And through 6+ seasons now, GOT has not been that kind of show.

Given the geography of Westeros, I dont' see how an armada of Unsullied ships could get to Casterly Rock without someone noticing. I don't recall anyone ever saying it was supposed to be a sneak attack.

Lannisters probably knew it was coming and made a strategic play to forfeit Casterly Rock so they could go fuck up the Tyrells. Jamie cites an earlier battle, where Robb Stark did the same thing to him, as his inspiration for the play. Not inside info.

[BananaStand]

Also, why is LittleFinger still alive? He seems totally useless now.

LF: "Hey Sansa, it's a good thing you have me around to give you advice"
Sansa: "Like what?"
LF: fight every battle, everywhere, always, in your mind
Sansa: "i guess that's decent advice. Oh look, Bran is back in town"
Bran: I can see everything, Everything that’s ever happened to anyone, everything that’s happening right now.
Sansa: Hey littlefinger, fuck your advice, Bran knows what's up
Bran: But I still have no personality

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So they're playing all of dragon lady's allies as being inept...including Tyrion. And they're now playing cersei/Jaime as being intelligent again.

It's dumb, is plot inconsistent, and seems to just be a way to insert fortune telling bran into the picture.

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I mean, I get that all characters are human and flawed. But you don't just stop being competent. Leaving allies unprotected, benching dragonqueen, fighting for a castle that isn't the throne, and leaving your navy that you worked 5 seasons to get unguarded is dumb dumb dumb.

[Jack Sawyer]

Spoiler: Show

[givememyleg]

ok, that was worth the wait.

[givememyleg]

however, quite disappointed we still haven't see the white walkers yet. im guessing they'll be saving that for the season 8 cliff hanger.

[oskar]

Yup.
holy shit.
I stayed awake till 6am to watch that and the new Rick and Morty... and so worth. I know I'm no super genius for figuring this out, but

Spoiler: Show

When Dr. Frankenstein revealed the super anti dragon weapon to Cercei, it was super obvious that that's a misdirection, but the way they did it was as good as it gets. Same with Sansa finding Arya and Lord Varys turning himself into a pickle. I think I'll get some groceries, make myself some coffee and rewatch both episodes again. What a day for TV!

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Chaos is a ladder. Dr. Branhattan with the woke af.

I'm happy to see that The Mannis is still alive and warged into Davos.

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i know this is blasphemy but i might like bronn more than the hound.

[BananaStand]

i know this is blasphemy but i might like bronn more than the hound.

Bronn has been working for free for a long time. He finally gets the balls to ask for his paycheck, and then his one-handed boss says "nah, if I paid you, a dragon might steal it". And Bronn just says "yeah, ok"

I feel like the Hound would have a more aggressive response

[wufwugy]

arya and brienne meeting/duel is my favorite scene of the entire show. sure it had silliness, but it was expert in actualizing many seasons of character development. we finally got to see what arya can do. more importantly, we finally got to see other important characters get to see what arya can do.

regardless, it may bite her in the ass. littlefinger is significantly more well off having that arya information than otherwise. maybe arya will be done in by her arrogance at some point, maybe not. probably not except perhaps the very end of the series since grrm's wife will murk him in divorce court if arya dies.

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ah, I enjoyed the Davos grammar nit, but only on the surface level, it didn't click for me that it was a Stannis callback. Pretty sick.

Arya vs Brienne is for sure in the running for best fight scene.

I think the LF dynamic is getting a bit strained. Bran being there and not being like loldudeisabaddie seems like a stretch. But I guess he hasn't seen everything yet.. or he has seen enough to know he's dangerous, but also enough to know that there isn't immediate danger. Or he warged LF to plant the seed of the idea to give him the dagger because he knows Arya will need it. *shrug*

When I saw the wild west setting for the BBQ scene in the previews, I was worried it would feel hamfisted as a homage to cowboys vs indians westerns-- but it somehow paid homage, yet didn't feel corny at all, even while dancing on the border of Wild Wild West territory with the solo operated anti aircraft scorpion. I get that as far as the story is concerned and for the visual impact of the battle it doesn't really matter, but as a minor military tactics geek, I was a little disappointed to see what essentially is a horde of steppe archers be reduced to head on charge spear fodder tactics. But I'm sure that was one of the most expensive scenes to date, and depicting something like a flanking maneuver would have increased cost significantly while not adding anything for 99% of viewers.

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ah, I enjoyed the Davos grammar nit, but only on the surface level, it didn't click for me that it was a Stannis callback. Pretty sick.

Arya vs Brienne is for sure in the running for best fight scene.

I think the LF dynamic is getting a bit strained. Bran being there and not being like loldudeisabaddie seems like a stretch. But I guess he hasn't seen everything yet.. or he has seen enough to know he's dangerous, but also enough to know that there isn't immediate danger. Or he warged LF to plant the seed of the idea to give him the dagger because he knows Arya will need it. *shrug*

When I saw the wild west setting for the BBQ scene in the previews, I was worried it would feel hamfisted as a homage to cowboys vs indians westerns-- but it somehow paid homage, yet didn't feel corny at all, even while dancing on the border of Wild Wild West territory with the solo operated anti aircraft scorpion. I get that as far as the story is concerned and for the visual impact of the battle it doesn't really matter, but as a minor military tactics geek, I was a little disappointed to see what essentially is a horde of steppe archers be reduced to head on charge spear fodder tactics. But I'm sure that was one of the most expensive scenes to date, and depicting something like a flanking maneuver would have increased cost significantly while not adding anything for 99% of viewers.

Napoleon is quoted boasting about how many men he can send to their death and not give a shit. The charge of the light brigade also comes to mind regarding the military mindset. So from what I've read it looked plausible. They have an overwhelming force, so they surround the enemy and just yolo. This is pretty much textbook Sun Tzu.

[Jack Sawyer]

Some dude's a Targaryen.

Confirmed.

[BananaStand]

Some dude's a Targaryen.

Who? If you mean Jon, that's old news.

Who else is a confirmed Targaryen?

[oskar]

Who? If you mean Jon, that's old news.

Who else is a confirmed Targaryen?

Only to Bran tho. That scene was brilliant. Gilly casually dropping the bomb between poop and window facts was just amazing. I wouldn't be surprised if that stays with her until she meets Jon and Dani and Forrest Gumps it.

[BananaStand]

I wouldn't be surprised if that stays with her until she meets Jon and Dani and Forrest Gumps it.

Well yeah. It's gotta stay secret until Jon and Dany hook up.

Whats the over/under on how many more episodes that's gonna take?

[BananaStand]

Arya killing Little Finger just feels right.

[givememyleg]

every time it seems jaime is becoming sane, cersei fucks his head up again. i hate that bitch.

their plan to capture a wight seems crazy, i suspect bran will help in some way. awesome seeing the hound again, and teaming up w jonny boy!

the meeting with jaime and tryion seemed so rushed, wish we got to see more of that dialogue.

will be cool if everyone puts aside their shit and teams up against the night king, but i don't see cersei doing it, even with proof.

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I wonder if Dany is the final villain of the series. Euron appears to be the Act III main villain and I think the Night King is a red herring.

Notice how Dany gave Randyll and Dickon the same choice she gave others before, except that the "choice" to not follow her was to die instead of to go about their merry way. She may be transforming into the Mad Queen by the end.

[wufwugy]

It will probably come out that Jon is the rightful heir, not Dany. She may then go into full meltdown.

[BananaStand]

It will probably come out that Jon is the rightful heir, not Dany. She may then go into full meltdown.

How would Jon's claim be "rightful"? Seems to me that Gendry has a stronger claim than Jon. He's the only one left with Baratheon blood.

Speaking of Baratheon blood, I don't get how Cersei is gonna play this pregnancy card. Claiming Jamie is the father pretty much confirms all the rumors about Joffrey and Tommen. Which means that the Lannisters have zero claim to the throne at all. They have no connection to the Baratheon line at all.

Wouldn't that make it really really really easy for the people of westeros to support Dany?

I'm guessing she's not really pregnant. She just needed something to help create a potential future for Jamie to care about. Kingslayer was about to fold. Now he's all-in.

[wufwugy]

How would Jon's claim be "rightful"? Seems to me that Gendry has a stronger claim than Jon. He's the only one left with Baratheon blood.

Speaking of Baratheon blood, I don't get how Cersei is gonna play this pregnancy card. Claiming Jamie is the father pretty much confirms all the rumors about Joffrey and Tommen. Which means that the Lannisters have zero claim to the throne at all. They have no connection to the Baratheon line at all.

Wouldn't that make it really really really easy for the people of westeros to support Dany?

I'm guessing she's not really pregnant. She just needed something to help create a potential future for Jamie to care about. Kingslayer was about to fold. Now he's all-in.

Gendry is a bastard, not a Baratheon. The annulment and marriage of Prince "Ragger" that Gilly read about is dramatic irony for the audience, telling us that Jon was Rhaegar's trueborn Targaryen son. As the Baratheons were killing the Targaryens, Jon became the last living male Targaryen. This may come up in the show such that Dany will have a struggle with the fact that she is not the true Targaryen next in line to the throne.

[BananaStand]

Gendry is a bastard, not a Baratheon.

If that mattered, then he wouldn't have to run from King's Landing in the first place.

The annulment and marriage of Prince "Ragger" that Gilly read about is dramatic irony for the audience, telling us that Jon was Rhaegar's trueborn Targaryen son

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I get all that, but either it's a misdirection, or the writers really really really insulting our intelligence. Rheagar and Elia had kids. OBVIOUSLY their marriage was consummated. How the fuck could it be annulled? I'm not sure the citadel is going to just honor the declarations of a monk who spends most of this time writing down when he poops.

As the Baratheons were killing the Targaryens, Jon became the last living male Targaryen. This may come up in the show such that Dany will have a struggle with the fact that she is not the true Targaryen next in line to the throne.

Which is why they're either gonna hook up, or she's just gonna play the "fuck off I have dragons" card.

[JKDS]

They get a wight, meet with cersei, there is betrayl, cersei loses, then Dany beats the nk and marries Jon.

Too predictable, but what other way will it end?

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They get a wight, meet with cersei, there is betrayl, cersei loses, then Dany beats the nk and marries Jon.

Too predictable, but what other way will it end?

I'd say Dany is a red herring regarding the whole hero thing. Probably only valyrian steel can kill the Night King. Dragon fire probably melts before it contacts him and the walker swords probably can penetrate/kill dragons.

[wufwugy]

Interesting to note that Jon has always been the king of Westeros. He never sat the Iron Throne, but the King's Guard protected him at the Tower of Joy since he was their king. It's just that nobody knows he has been king all this time. Maybe they'll find out.

[BananaStand]

the King's Guard protected him at the Tower of Joy since he was their king.

Huh??

Viserys was still alive then

[wufwugy]

Heir apparent is firstborn of the firstborn. Siblings to the firstborn of the king do not have a claim after the firstborn once that firstborn has a son. Before the annulment, that was Aegon. After the annulment, that became Jon (real name could be Jaehaerys). Jon is the firstborn of the firstborn and has been the true king the entire show.

Fucking amazing.

[BananaStand]

Heir apparent is firstborn of the firstborn. Siblings to the firstborn of the king do not have a claim after the firstborn once that firstborn has a son. Before the annulment, that was Aegon. After the annulment, that became Jon (real name could be Jaehaerys). Jon is the firstborn of the firstborn and has been the true king the entire show.

Fucking amazing.

I understand that's the plot we're being fed, so I can't really argue with the accuracy of what you say. But you have to admit, there are some pretty big problems with that.

First, the timing is all messed up. How could the Kingsguard be left at the tower of Joy to guard the heir? Rheagar was alive when he left. He wasn't killed until the Battle of the Trident. Those Kingsguard SHOULD have been there. And if not there, they should have been guarding the pregnant queen and viserys. Instead of those two totally obvious and duty-bound options, they stayed at the ToJ to guard Lyanna's baby.

By the time Ned got there, the Battle of the Trident had already happened and Rheagar had been dead for at least as long as it took Ned to get from the Trident to Dorne. Yet, when Ned arrived, Lyanna was just then having the baby and died in childbirth. So when Rheagar left, he didn't know that the baby would be a boy. So it seems kinda tough to believe he would leave the Sword of the Morning behind to guard a bunch of broads.

The second problem, is the annulment itself. The Seven-god religion espoused by most people in Westeros, including the Targaryens, does not allow for annulments or divorces. I did a little google research and I guess in the books Rheagar just wanted a third kid to fulfill some crazy dream prophecy he had about his kids riding three dragons.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Rheagar's real family was still alive when he left the ToJ. They were still alive when he died at the Trident. And they weren't killed until AFTER Robert marched on King's Landing and took the Iron Throne. So how could Rhaegar even make a case for an annulment? He didn't NEED to remarry in order to produce a male heir.

I'm not seeing how an illegitimate annulment can produce a legitimate son.

[wufwugy]

Lots of stuff doesn't make sense. Such is a story that some weirdo (grrm) made up.

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Your points about the annulment are good, but it is pretendland, so it's not that much of a stretch, especially given how the show needs to tidy things up quickly. The book could take the same deus ex annulment direction but flesh it out so much more that it would actually be convincing. The show doesn't have this luxury.

As for where the Kings Guard having no business being with Lyanna, I think you're way off. Some of the Kings Guard were with Aerys (we know at least Jaime was), some may have been with Elia and her children, others on Dragonstone with the Queen, and that still easily leaves two or three to be guarding/under the command of Rhaegar. If we accept the annulment, it is perfectly plausible that his Kingsguard would see it as their duty to both follow a direct command from their prince, as well as guard Lyanna, who's now a princess and next in line to be queen, as well as their potential future king.

[BananaStand]

Your points about the annulment are good, but it is pretendland, so it's not that much of a stretch, especially given how the show needs to tidy things up quickly.

Well now this is the crux of my criticism. Things wouldn't need to be tidied up if they weren't messy in the first place. What if, Jon and Dany defeat Cersei and the Night King, and then that's it. The end. Jon is warden of the north, which is huge now that it includes lands beyond the wall. Dany sits the Iron Throne. And there should be a nice little place for any characters still alive at the end.

Now, instead of that, we have to contend with the notion that Jon is actually the "rightful" king, but only if we accept some really roundabout nonsense.

Sorry Danearys, we all realize that you actually have the right family name. We all realize you've overcome all the requisite suffering and setbacks that a hero must overcome. We all realize you've spent the last 7 seasons maturing into a wise, just, and careful ruler. Your dragons are fucking awesome. You're hot as fuck. People like you. You raised the army. You fought the wars. You did all the work. But none of that matters because Jon has a penis, and you don't.

Why??

This had all better start making sense in future episodes. Otherwise, the writers have just done something that's nearly impossible to believe, for no significant reason. And the result of it, is that the fan-favorite character that everyone has been rooting for, gets totally marginalized and invalidated because "pretendland" has to remain historically accurate when it comes to the gender of heirs.

[wufwugy]

Ep 6 leaked via accidental airing on HBO Sweden iirc. You can find it online. It's gonna be a big one people are getting spoiled on. I watched it early due to people saying how spoiler heavy it is. There's already clickbait spoilers on youtube and stuff on facebook. So if you tend to come across those sorts of spoilers, I recommend watching it now.

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Thanks for the warning-- I think I'm going to follow suit.

I wanted to abstain, because I got one of those lame vague warnings from my ISP when I grabbed e04 for my friend who just moved and didn't have his internet/cable setup yet.. I'm pretty sure nothing ever comes of those, but it kinda feels like buying a reverse lottery ticket every time you get the notice.

[wufwugy]

A prediction came true in the leaked episode. I don't think I said that prediction here though, so y'all safe.