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    Stannis has a small army + pirates + shadow demon son
    Renly has a large army + butch champion
    Lannisters have a very large army + gold
    Starks have a very large army + dire wolves
    Targaryons have very small Dothraki army + dragons
    Greyjoys have a large navy

    Stannis > Renly without Stark support. Getting rocked will drive Renly to coordinate closely with Rob.

    Everything else is waiting on winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Stannis has a small army + pirates + shadow demon son
    Renly has a large army + butch champion
    Lannisters have a very large army + gold
    Starks have a very large army + dire wolves
    Targaryons have very small Dothraki army + dragons
    Greyjoys have a large navy

    Stannis > Renly without Stark support. Getting rocked will drive Renly to coordinate closely with Rob.

    Everything else is waiting on winter.
    Stannis- correct

    Renly- no, Renly has the biggest army currently on the field, ~100k men

    Lannisters- no, they have a medium army, ~60k the last time we heard a count

    Starks- no, they have a fairly small army, last count it was ~20k

    Targ- no, they have no army, what we saw Sunday night is the totality of Dany's 'horde', a handful of men, Jorah, some women, and her infant dragons

    Greyjoys- yep
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Stannis- correct

    Renly- no, Renly has the biggest army currently on the field, ~100k men

    Lannisters- no, they have a medium army, ~60k the last time we heard a count

    Starks- no, they have a fairly small army, last count it was ~20k

    Targ- no, they have no army, what we saw Sunday night is the totality of Dany's 'horde', a handful of men, Jorah, some women, and her infant dragons

    Greyjoys- yep
    How many troops does the crown command because this means the Lannisters are screwed. They can't fight on 2 or 3 fronts.

    And how do all the bannermen of the North rally only 20k troops but Renly rolls with 100k? Where'd Renly's forces come from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    How many troops does the crown command because this means the Lannisters are screwed. They can't fight on 2 or 3 fronts.

    And how do all the bannermen of the North rally only 20k troops but Renly rolls with 100k? Where'd Renly's forces come from?
    Could be something as simple as Renly is the most popular guy south of King's Landing. Those with Baratheon and Tyrell allegiances are on his side, and perhaps the Martels or whatever else is south of KL

    Northern/cold regions usually have lower populations, but each man is more valuable due to being better equipped to withstand the climate and terrain. IIRC, it's like how during one of the world wars, the Soviets outnumbered one of the Scandinavian countries like 10:1, but when they invaded, they got nowhere and their casualties were close to 10:1


    Also, GRRM doesn't understand geography and probably not much about logistics. His geography is fucking awful. In the real world, the Narrow Sea would be way too small to keep the continents so isolated, Qarth would not be a lone city on the water source, but one of many, the Dothraki wouldn't be able to maintain so many horses, the Greyjoys couldn't really even be a culture with fortified location, almost every nation here would have lots of navy, not just the Greyjoys and the guy who wants to fuck the queen. Hell, King's Landing's navy would dwarf any other on the planet, just on the geography
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post

    Also, GRRM doesn't understand geography and probably not much about logistics. His geography is fucking awful. In the real world, the Narrow Sea would be way too small to keep the continents so isolated, Qarth would not be a lone city on the water source, but one of many, the Dothraki wouldn't be able to maintain so many horses, the Greyjoys couldn't really even be a culture with fortified location, almost every nation here would have lots of navy, not just the Greyjoys and the guy who wants to fuck the queen. Hell, King's Landing's navy would dwarf any other on the planet, just on the geography
    dont ruin it with your logic and science, you bastard!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Also, GRRM doesn't understand geography and probably not much about logistics. His geography is fucking awful. In the real world, the Narrow Sea would be way too small to keep the continents so isolated, Qarth would not be a lone city on the water source, but one of many
    You mean the lone city in Essos? You can see in the intro that there are more - Pentos, for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    How many troops does the crown command because this means the Lannisters are screwed. They can't fight on 2 or 3 fronts.

    And how do all the bannermen of the North rally only 20k troops but Renly rolls with 100k? Where'd Renly's forces come from?
    The crown doesn't have a standing army as I understand it, just the gold cloaks and the kings guard. But, yes, the Lannisters are losing the war, but they have hope if they can get the other sides to fight each other. Which is happening-- Stannis vs Renly, and the Greyjoys are raiding the North, which will likely force Robb to retreat.

    As for where Renly's numbers came from... House Tyrell is the second richest house in the kingdom, and Renly is extremely popular, so he essentially has all of the banners of the Stormlands and the Reach, which unsurprisingly dwarfs every other army on the field-- at least as far as numbers go.
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