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  1. #1
    Theon is a great character, but I hate who he is.

    Actually, you're right about Poliver then The Mountain (if Poliver is the guy with Needle). I forgot about Mountain, but that's probably where they're gonna go. I just really hate killing Tywin like that. There is soooooo much for his character to do that if I were GRRM, I would have written in a different plotline than having him die to A Man. My main reasoning for A Man gonna be killing Tywin had to do with that ballin scene of "anybody can be killed". The Arya/Tywin story is way too good to allow it to end like that though. Things like she'll be his cupbearer for quite some time, he'll probably be promoting her too (because he's clearly smart and his behavior implies that he's finding reason to think she's smart, or at least "of use" and even that he thinks she's hiding something important), then that whole dynamic could be a huge story. So A Man shouldn't be asked to kill Tywin. It would be really stupid of Arya anyways, since he's her sugar daddy. On the flip side, it could be really smart of Arya since killing Tywin could save the North/her family/etc

    I feel like Myrcella is actually going to Dorne, and may be used to get the Martels on the Lannisters side. Would be very interesting to see Stannis sandwiched, since Dorne is below him in latitude. I still have Stannis/Melisandre taking over thoughout the series, then Dany and her dragons being viewed as saviors by the audience when they invade. If this is true, I wouldn't be surprised if Dany begins to come off wanting to invade, then the audience has find out if she'll decide to come around to it and thus be the unwitting hero. Not sure how this dynamic plays with Winter though. There are several different plots converging, and only a few can come out alive. So in that sense, it could only be Dany vs Winter, not Melisandre vs Winter. So if Winter comes soon enough, it means Stannis/Melisandre get quashed somewhat soon, probably either by Winter itself or Dany. The final product of this whole storyline (as we know it) has to be Dragons vs Winter though.

    It's possible that Tyrion and the wildfire will be able to hold off Stannis and Melisadre, but I honestly do not see any magic people losing to non-magic people for a long time. The story will soon become Lannister vs Stannis and Stark vs Greyjoy, instead of the current Stark vs Lannister. Greyjoy is losing to Stark for sure, but in trying to figure out who loses in Stannis vs Lannister, I have a hard time seeing Lannister win (unless it's a HUGE fucking thing and they end up marginalizing how the story presents Melisandre as extremely powerful). And I don't know where they can go if they lose, would be sick as fuck if they all died, except Tyrion (and hopefully Bronn), who is required to Take the Black or something.

    I also think that Stannis is using Melisandre. I think he knows what she's up to, that she's trying to use him, but he's actually using her. The whole him being too in love to see things clearly is almost a little too simplistic. I think even Davos doesn't have a clue that Stannis is playing her.


    But then another look at Melisandre is that she's just a prop to get the story going. I would write her as completely foreign in every way (almost like she's the prophet/avatar of a god from a different planet), which would make her extremely powerful and able to do all sorts of sick and cunning shit (like possess people and make her own sort of army, which is where I thought they were going when the wraith showed up). But she's probably just a piece of magic that isn't super powerful, and gets crushed when the jig is up
  2. #2
    Interesting read wuf, I wanted to comment on your thoughts on the Qarth story arc.

    It seems to me that there is pretty much no way this whole Qarth portion of the storyline ends up finishing quickly / being of little consequence. I also am not yet convinced that Dany is definitely not going to marry the big wealthy black dude of the 13; her line "I look forward to meeting him" re. the potential captain of the 'one ship' that would take her to Westeros, was somewhat unconvincing.

    Also there are a few budding plotlines taking place there; what is the deal with the hall of the undying? You may also note that the character that Dany was speaking with in the town square before she was distracted by her dothraki stealing shit was no bit actor; I'd have to look again to make sure though. If correct, it seems somewhat of a waste to use an actor of that caliber as pretty much a one-line background type character, and I'd have to assume more will happen with her.

    And, if it needs to be pointed out, I doubt the producers would go to such lengths as to include Qarth in the opening credits sequence if the Dany storyline was only going to be there in passing.

    That's all. Looking forward to Sunday!
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Penneywize View Post
    Interesting read wuf, I wanted to comment on your thoughts on the Qarth story arc.

    It seems to me that there is pretty much no way this whole Qarth portion of the storyline ends up finishing quickly / being of little consequence. I also am not yet convinced that Dany is definitely not going to marry the big wealthy black dude of the 13; her line "I look forward to meeting him" re. the potential captain of the 'one ship' that would take her to Westeros, was somewhat unconvincing.
    I read it differently. I believe Dany loves Jorah, but doesn't realize it. Her exclaiming "What do you want!?" was a bombshell of tension of the more intimate variety. If it wasn't, the actors and directors played it wrong. I think that Dany was taken aback at his claims of her having a good heart, then she decided to trust his opinion fully. This is what the acting in that scene looked like to me. There were some serious tells on Dany's part, just not sure exactly what she was trying to give off.

    Also there are a few budding plotlines taking place there; what is the deal with the hall of the undying? You may also note that the character that Dany was speaking with in the town square before she was distracted by her dothraki stealing shit was no bit actor; I'd have to look again to make sure though. If correct, it seems somewhat of a waste to use an actor of that caliber as pretty much a one-line background type character, and I'd have to assume more will happen with her.
    My guess is the Hall of the Undying is for setting the stage, or maybe they try to do something significant, but it doesn't last for much of the story. I do think that chick she was talking to was a bit actor, it's the masked woman that was not. I have no clue about her

    The main reason I think that Qarth is "throwaway" is because it seems everything on Essos is. It's all about this Iron Throne on Westeros, which is just weird to me since Essos is fucking bigger and probably richer and more powerful. The Dothraki are probably a thing of the past by now. I mean, the "Khaleesi" story is on life support. I'm positive that GoT spends a lot of time in non-Westeros places (as it has), but it appears that all those could just be transitional phases. We were all ginned up for the Dothraki horde dynamic, but that probably won't happen; likewise Qarth will probably come and go. Qarth isn't even a well thought out region. It's a trading mecca in the middle of a Garden of Bones. Um, what? GRRM probably didn't spend enough time on figuring out Qarth, or all of Essos for that matter.

    And, if it needs to be pointed out, I doubt the producers would go to such lengths as to include Qarth in the opening credits sequence if the Dany storyline was only going to be there in passing.
    The would. They did it for Riverrun or the Riverlands or the Twins or whatever, and that hasn't seen much action. Several characters and plotlines have all but died too. Tyrion's dagger, Alliser Thorne, and Barristan Selmy come to mind
  4. #4
    relevant

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