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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    This episode had two good examples of why so many characters is a problem. 1) Olenna assumed Tyrion is a drunkard and degenerate. This aspect of Tyrion has been suggested through the show, but it hasn't been demonstrated because there is too little time, so they end up only showing the good side of Tyrion. To us, Tyrion seems like a perfectly awesome dude, but according to the subtext of the show, everybody has a reason to think he's otherwise. 2) Along similar lines, the contrast between Kingslayer and Jaime is lacking. The show never actually explained why Jaime being the Kingslayer is a bad thing, and we're left to assume the label isn't derisive. But that clashes with how the show also has characters use it derisively. There has not been enough screen time with Jaime to demonstrate that even though what he did seemed like the most reasonably just thing ever, nobody else saw it that way.

    Also, Meera Reed, Meeran Reed, Mojo Reed, or whatever her name is was introduced like three episodes ago yet only has had one line since. This shit is bananas and Hound needs to go on a rampage and kill half the characters so the show can finally dig into them appropriately. I am worried that a fundamental flaw of GoT will be a lack of character development. So far, none of the characters come remotely close to as great as the GOATs: Brother Justin, Lucius Vorenus, Omar, Bubbs, etc.

    As an inveterate classifier of cinema, I don't know how bad my reaction will be if GoT ends up making awful decisions like not vastly expounding on Jaqen, much less just having him return in the first place. There were already too many characters by the time he showed up, but he is so fucking awesome that it's a sin to not spend a lot of time on him
    1) Tyrion's image is exaggerated. And considering our first impression of Tyrion in S01E01, that image isn't a complete falsehood. It just seems like he's been too busy being imprisoned or being Hand of the King to sink back into his habits. But its obvious from Tyrion and his father's relationship that his father throws this image in Tyrion's face at every opportuinty just because he hates him so much for killing his mother and being a dwarf. That said, season 2 did have him frequenting whorehouses and associating with undesirables like Bronn and his hill tribesmen.

    2) The show has repeatedly derided Jaime for killing Aerys. A great example off the top of my head other than Ned's lines is when Barristan is dismissed from Kingsguard. Barristan judges Jaime at least as harshly as Ned. And pretty much every time Jaime is called Kingslayer its with a venomous tone, never in a respectful or admiring way.

    That's all I'll say without having to put my bookreader hat on. The Reed siblings are an obvious flaw to the series, thus far, I'll agree with you there. I agree with boost though that it is unfair to compare this show to a focused character study like the Wire or SFU, which spends five 13-hour seasons with the same 5 characters and gives them hundreds of lines and scenes. If you want a more fleshed out profile of these characters, read the books, but thus far the show is doing about as good of a job as it can given the constraints and scope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    1) Tyrion's image is exaggerated. And considering our first impression of Tyrion in S01E01, that image isn't a complete falsehood. It just seems like he's been too busy being imprisoned or being Hand of the King to sink back into his habits. But its obvious from Tyrion and his father's relationship that his father throws this image in Tyrion's face at every opportuinty just because he hates him so much for killing his mother and being a dwarf. That said, season 2 did have him frequenting whorehouses and associating with undesirables like Bronn and his hill tribesmen.

    2) The show has repeatedly derided Jaime for killing Aerys. A great example off the top of my head other than Ned's lines is when Barristan is dismissed from Kingsguard. Barristan judges Jaime at least as harshly as Ned. And pretty much every time Jaime is called Kingslayer its with a venomous tone, never in a respectful or admiring way.

    That's all I'll say without having to put my bookreader hat on. The Reed siblings are an obvious flaw to the series, thus far, I'll agree with you there. I agree with boost though that it is unfair to compare this show to a focused character study like the Wire or SFU, which spends five 13-hour seasons with the same 5 characters and gives them hundreds of lines and scenes.
    It isn't so much that I'm comparing them, but that I'm claiming why that difference exists (which is a comparison, but whatever), and it's a difference I don't like. Half of me feels that by the time the series is over, we will see that they could have made it even better if they included fewer characters; the other half of me feels that I'm just being reactionary and that it will end up taking longer for the char dev to bloom than with other shows.

    GoT char dev is arguably better than any other show when viewed relative to amount of time given to the chars, but plot moves so quickly that it seems the characters are on the brink of keeping up

    I get frustrated that every single episode expands things more. We're already in a position where the Danaerys storyline needs more time, yet it's only going to get less because the show is averaging two new characters per episode. I was thrilled when I learned that Ciaran Hinds is Mance Rayder, but now I don't care. His character is shit compared to what he was in Rome, and the show will not be able to fix that because it's unable to devote the time to it

    I guess I should just stop complaining about it because it's how the story is and it's not going to change. A lot of people have the same issue that I do, and I'm afraid the expansion of characters is only going to become more pronounced
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post

    GoT char dev is arguably better than any other show when viewed relative to amount of time given to the chars, but plot moves so quickly that it seems the characters are on the brink of keeping up
    I thought of ned stark, and then lulled. If he had just known the plot a little bit earlier, hed be alive.

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