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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Would you guys have liked this better at all?
    No you dumb.
    Final episode was perfect. Everyone expected either a battle with the undead or dragons frying rows of knights, but how satisfying would that really have been? The way it stands: ignorance wins over sensibility, superstition wins over responsible parenting, dignity looses to all.
    Ten years ago I used to play in a pretty emo rock band and one of the guitarists found a chord progression in a book that was designed to just constantly build tension without ever giving any resolution or repeating itself and we used to play that for 15 min straight at gigs. I don't know where it was from or what the thing was, the point is that it annoyed the shit out of everyone and I loved it. That's my point.
    perfect episode 10/10.
    The strengh of a hero is defined by the weakness of his villains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    No you dumb.
    Final episode was perfect. Everyone expected either a battle with the undead or dragons frying rows of knights, but how satisfying would that really have been? The way it stands: ignorance wins over sensibility, superstition wins over responsible parenting, dignity looses to all.
    Ten years ago I used to play in a pretty emo rock band and one of the guitarists found a chord progression in a book that was designed to just constantly build tension without ever giving any resolution or repeating itself and we used to play that for 15 min straight at gigs. I don't know where it was from or what the thing was, the point is that it annoyed the shit out of everyone and I loved it. That's my point.
    perfect episode 10/10.
    great. you're basically saying bad is good.
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    You're still trying to go the way of canned cheap thrills. This show is different. It's an epos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackvance View Post
    You're still trying to go the way of canned cheap thrills. This show is different. It's an epos.
    Am I? I'm trying to avoid cheap thrills

    Reignite this thread if in s6 we find out Brienne didn't kill Stannis and instead hit the tree. Talk about the cheapest of thrills.

    And how about a battle in the middle of a field where one side has only foot soldiers and is outnumbered by cavalry in pincer formation. Then a huge chunk of the cavalry dies, the leader of the losing side magically showed up in the woods, and the winning side is leaving without killing him. The cheapest thrill of them all. So cheap that it couldn't afford any thrill other than saying "omg all this big stuff happened and the plot has moved forward finally even though none of it makes a lick of sense".

    How about the surprise death of a character nobody cares about: Myrcella. Cheap thrill.

    How about the person who killed her waiting until she was bleeding on the dock before she took the antidote. Cheap thrill.

    How about the worst dialogue the show has yet seen: "bad pussy". Cheap thrill.

    How about Varys showing up out of nowhere. Cheap thrill.

    How about Myranda about to "shoot" Sansa even though she was never ever ever ever ever going to do that. Cheap thrill.

    There's no need to continue. I think this finale was full of nutlow writing and the writers had very easy opportunities to not do so. I think they are bad and the amount of good found in the writing is because the source material gives it to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Am I? I'm trying to avoid cheap thrills
    You're still trying to bend the story in the ways of modern storytelling. But imagine reading a history book. Sometimes people just die, and that's that. Things move in a certain direction without a twist lurking around every corner or things lining up perfectly for the big climax. That's what I mean by it being an epos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackvance View Post
    You're still trying to bend the story in the ways of modern storytelling. But imagine reading a history book. Sometimes people just die, and that's that. Things move in a certain direction without a twist lurking around every corner or things lining up perfectly for the big climax. That's what I mean by it being an epos.
    Oh I see what you mean.

    As you say, your view clashes with literary convention. It even clashes with the convention of subversion of the convention. But that's not to say it's wrong. I honestly agree that if a writer can pull off such a subversion of trope, he is better to do it. Ofc that begs the question of whether the writer can indeed pull it off.

    I'm of the mind that if you show me Chekhov's Gun, you had better use it or show me that it's a Red Herring.
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    Stannis is dead, Brienne took care of him even though we didn't see all of it.

    I do agree this is absurd:
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    And how about a battle in the middle of a field where one side has only foot soldiers and is outnumbered by cavalry in pincer formation. Then a huge chunk of the cavalry dies, the leader of the losing side magically showed up in the woods, and the winning side is leaving without killing him.

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