Getting Music!!!!

[Micro2Macro]

It really is the most ridiculous use of the word "steal". What are you stealing? Ones and zeroes? Sound waves? If I shut my eyes and turn off the sound when a McDonalds advert comes on youtube, am I stealing the song that follows?

intellectual property.

[OngBonga]

intellectual property.

Is that something I can take off someone? So they haven't got it anymore? Like, you know, an actual thing, made of actual matter? It's fucking ridiculous. Sorry, but I just don't get it. The internet could be the music industry's biggest weapon when it comes to promoting their bands and artists, but no, they have to be greedy and insist that everyone who wants to hear a piece of music has to pay for it.

I pay for music I own. Like, on CD, Vinyl. I have a large collection. Often, I buy something because I downloaded it and liked it. Now, if I don't download it, then I don't hear it, and I don't buy it.

Pure fucking greed, that's what drives the industry. And they dare to call us thieves.

[givememyleg]

Is that something I can take off someone? So they haven't got it anymore? Like, you know, an actual thing, made of actual matter? It's fucking ridiculous. Sorry, but I just don't get it. The internet could be the music industry's biggest weapon when it comes to promoting their bands and artists, but no, they have to be greedy and insist that everyone who wants to hear a piece of music has to pay for it.

I pay for music I own. Like, on CD, Vinyl. I have a large collection. Often, I buy something because I downloaded it and liked it. Now, if I don't download it, then I don't hear it, and I don't buy it.

Pure fucking greed, that's what drives the industry. And they dare to call us thieves.

your argument here is pretty bad. you're basically saying "i can't hold the music in my hand so i shouldn't have to pay for it them greedy fucktards blaaaaah." music is music. do you really think that back when cds were popular you were paying $20 for a plastic disc? no, the physical materials cost maybe 5 cents, the other $19.95 was because of the content the cd contained.

overpriced? maybe. too many people sticking their hands in as middle men? probably.

but just because technology is shifting doesn't mean digital downloads don't count as actual property because you can't touch them with your hands or shove them up your ass.

[CoccoBill]

your argument here is pretty bad. you're basically saying "i can't hold the music in my hand so i shouldn't have to pay for it them greedy fucktards blaaaaah." music is music. do you really think that back when cds were popular you were paying $20 for a plastic disc? no, the physical materials cost maybe 5 cents, the other $19.95 was because of the content the cd contained.

overpriced? maybe. too many people sticking their hands in as middle men? probably.

but just because technology is shifting doesn't mean digital downloads don't count as actual property because you can't touch them with your hands or shove them up your ass.

The argument isn't that piracy is stealing something physical, it's stealing someone's profits. All the nice calculations done about the costs of piracy presume that an illegal download equals a lost sale. This of course is bollocks. I'm sure some college kid torrenting 10000 albums would have bought all of them if he didn't have access to them illegally, hence the industry just lost 10000 record sales. However, the lost sales are the only metric I agree with, that is something that can actually be said to be lost due to piracy. All kinds of moral arguments condemning piracy just because it's "wrong", or you "shouldn't be getting that for free" are just pointless jealous whining, if someone can get something for free and no one loses anything, how is that bad?